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On March 18 2017 06:10 darthfoley wrote:
Idk i felt like you two treated each other too cordially early on.
I think I have a decent understanding of how you would approach him if it were TvS with you being the scum, and it didn't play out like that.
Tbf you two are right around the same level for me. Not slam dunks but i'm suspicious of you two. Without doing in depth filter diving, my impression is that you've been more active and you've been active in the right places about the right things. I haven't gotten that impression from Damdred.
Maybe i'm being overly paranoid because my last mafia game on here was our scum triad, idk. We'll see as the game progresses
Can you expand on that TvS comment?
And yes, I am an overrated scum player. This is why I can't help but think that people who scum-read me are obtuse fuckers. But maybe I'm just not aware of what I look like to the average person, idk.
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Also I am back to thinking you're town again...which is largely based on tone. You were extremely defensive/ shitting-your-pants-mode when pressured as mafia so unless you have drastically upped your game then your more relaxed, w/e tone over the course of the day = town.
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On March 18 2017 06:23 disformation wrote:oh. just randomly remembered something about mindmelds. there was a glorious game where town!sicklucker had a mindmeld with scum!rels. just sayin' 
ROFL
Point taken.
@Damdred, so you mean Blue, Koshi, Xat and then us two, yes? Pretty sure they were my original town base.
Blue's filter is easy to remember off the top of my head. Good posts but doesn't talk a lot unless prompted + only really talked about you.
I'd have to consider rayn/ DF's points about Xat wrt filter-diving him.
No idea on Koshi.
So possible?
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On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote:
Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?
I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.
I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so.
Dunno if I did. Was in a hurry to reread the chat when I made that vote and didn't bother explaining it. Still don't tbh.
What does the second line have to do with how much you liked Eden's case?
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On March 18 2017 06:54 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2017 06:28 Calix wrote:On March 18 2017 06:23 disformation wrote:oh. just randomly remembered something about mindmelds. there was a glorious game where town!sicklucker had a mindmeld with scum!rels. just sayin' ROFL Point taken. @Damdred, so you mean Blue, Koshi, Xat and then us two, yes? Pretty sure they were my original town base. Blue's filter is easy to remember off the top of my head. Good posts but doesn't talk a lot unless prompted + only really talked about you. I'd have to consider rayn/ DF's points about Xat wrt filter-diving him. No idea on Koshi. So possible? If we go with just that group to look into would have to be just deep and xata. Everyone else I think is pure town I still think both are town in more confident right now in xata but both of them do have a couple question marks. Like xata has some really well reasoned posts but sort of lacks at points in the scum hunting department and isn't as posty as I remember. Deep as well had some nice posts but was super focused on one and hasn't done much since. But has the whole first game here going for him. But I don't think his postings were outside scum range for anyone in the game Like I'm really sure you and koshi are always town here.
'isn't as posty as I remember' - I can't even imagine, lol.
Blue has said that they have played for several years, not sure that this argument applies either way.
I'm not sure how viable pressure on Blue is. It's not like anything he's done is that scummy. 24 hours left so if we try to stack votes and get him to open up, we run the risk of lynching him instead.
Or maybe I'm being too pessimistic about activity. There's always Malongo who only TW seems to be town-reading and who has yet to appear.
But that's no good either. We need some kind of 'back up' train in case Malongo pops in and makes some really townie posts. Our current problem is that there's no real consensus on who that should be yet.
Thoughts?
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Makes our life a lot easier then.
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Wow, such flawless grammar I have today.
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On March 18 2017 08:00 Koshi wrote:
Pff. I am going to bed. Alcohol seems to keep going up.
Tomorrow big day for me. Wish me luck.
Break a leg and don't die! Coffins are expensive 
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Got excited when I saw Malongo post but all he did was claim. Didn't like his comment about it 'feeling like there are TPRs in the game because of activity' - I don't understand how he reached this conclusion or why activity/ lack of it = TPRs (mainly because I have no idea of how much of the thread Malongo has actually read).
Anyway, this game seems weirdly EU-centric in terms of activity despite there being a bunch of Muricans.
Also I did not like TW's latest posts. For the fact that he said that vets are too difficult to read (in response to them being town-read), his reasons for town-reading the 'non vets' are shitty. With regards to Eden, I don't see how talking about his claim or that question to disformation is AI. Meanwhile Malongo's posts look more like he's throwing out random points without explaining them which isn't the same thing as being 'fickle' (he hasn't changed his positions on anything afaik).
I think I'm skeptical of TW since I have no idea what he is trying to achieve with his posts aside from being a limp sock.
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On March 18 2017 19:49 Calix wrote:
Got excited when I saw Malongo post but all he did was claim. Didn't like his comment about it 'feeling like there are TPRs in the game because of activity' - I don't understand how he reached this conclusion or why activity/ lack of it = TPRs (mainly because I have no idea of how much of the thread Malongo has actually read).
Anyway, this game seems weirdly EU-centric in terms of activity despite there being a bunch of Muricans.
Also I did not like TW's latest posts. For the fact that he said that vets are too difficult to read (in response to them being town-read), his reasons for town-reading the 'non vets' are shitty. With regards to Eden, I don't see how talking about his claim or that question to disformation is AI. Meanwhile Malongo's posts look more like he's throwing out random points without explaining them which isn't the same thing as being 'fickle' (he hasn't changed his positions on anything afaik).
I think I'm skeptical of TW since I have no idea what he is trying to achieve with his posts aside from being a limp sock.
Slight change to this. Just checked the vote thread and saw that TW actually did vote for DF.
The case was already 'meh' to begin with but the progression is odd. DF corrected TW and then TW acknowledges this...but then he puts DF on the same level as the no-posters (why?) and didn't change his vote. For context, this is the only vote that TW has made all day. It's on a single-vote wagon, backed up by debunked reasoning which no sane person will ever follow. It is actually even worse than Malongo's vote since he didn't pretend that raynpelikoneet was a scum-read.
Since the only point that TW made on DF was an apparent misunderstanding, him not changing his vote afterwards or explaining why DF still ranks so low on his reads doesn't add up and I would like clarification here.
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On March 19 2017 00:01 Damdred wrote:
Hi onegu have you read any of the game yet?
Also just as an aside the votes are pretty spread out which sort of bothers me. Have all these one voters with no real care about pushing their cases. And nothing else. Mal is leading the lynch but most of the game doesn't care that much and really rayn who probably had the biggest voice in the thread (you such a good yeller sir) doesn't seem to care though granted he thinks both oof is are scum.
Idk it seems super easy at this point just to lynch mal with no real opposition which could be a weak scum team I guess it one that has a town up for lynch . Third option is just sagging mal but I don't we it. I have tr on abasically the whole wagon though..
+1
The number of people with 'meh' or single votes is very high but I still think he's a better lynch than the others unless we decide to go full #yolo and lynch Rels or some shit. I'd rather take my chances with the inactive guy with a meh filter who people have actually talked about over being paranoid and potentially mislynching someone who is more townie when they'll make themselves more obvious later, if that makes sense.
I am kinda hoping that Onegu will have some fresh insights, break us out of this "everyone is townie" slump we're in.
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On March 19 2017 00:41 Damdred wrote:
Like I have only problems with df on this wagon.
1) Comes into the thread and blasts calix early and never really retracts from that. But is voting with 2/3 of his scum reads on his other scum read without really questioning the validity of the wagon I the people on the wagon.
2) Has very little talking points on mal in his filter that would indicate a scum read. I'm fact it seems likely basis for the read is actually rayns read. (Just as an aside I kinda said the same things about mal right after he posted but df kinda ignores this and scum reads me but puts rayn super high in his town list. I know he scum reads me for cordial interactions with calix which isbadreasoning but meh).
3) In his filter calix is his biggest read but just sheep's rayn instead of trying to push his read.
Like idk just kind of a weird filter and his vote on mal seems a bit... opportunistic at this point.
1. It was his most sustained push and most of it was shitty meta so not brilliant, no. He hasn't done anything like that as of late even though he has several scum-reads/ question marks in his reads list.
2. Don't think sheeping raynpelikoneet's reasoning is notable. I think his logic for Damdred/ Calix is bad. Pretty sure he's making an assumption about how I would read you just because I said "lol I always scum-read Damdred"
But yeah, when you put it that way, I can see what you mean with the odd focus.
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On March 19 2017 00:41 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2017 22:12 Damdred wrote:
Xata or anyone who on the mal wagon makes you super skeptical? rayn isn't even on his wagon, but he's pushed Mal nonetheless, and with very weak reasons IMO (which is more typical of his scumplay). Still not sure about disfo, and not completely sure about Calix either. Mainly it's because there hasn't been any meaningful opposition, but just scattered votes all around. That rarely leads to a correct lunch.
Yeah, about that.
On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote:
Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?
I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.
I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so.
I'm confused as to why you think it's suspect for me to have pushed disformation 'a bit quickly/ strongly and stuck with it' when you agreed with all of my points and spent more time talking about it than I did? My point here being that since you acted in a similar way, it doesn't make sense for you to then agree with Eden when he calls out the same behaviour in me.
And I still don't get how Eden calling you top town influences your response to his case.
In general, I think Eden has not been talked about as much as I was expecting him to be.
@Damdred, can you expand on your Eden read?
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Yeah, it was that Newbie game where we hardcore bussed Lunatic D1 and then we bumbled along, failing to kill the TPRs, before I turned into a whiny bitch and asked to concede
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On March 19 2017 01:02 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2017 00:54 Calix wrote:On March 19 2017 00:41 Xatalos wrote:On March 18 2017 22:12 Damdred wrote:
Xata or anyone who on the mal wagon makes you super skeptical? rayn isn't even on his wagon, but he's pushed Mal nonetheless, and with very weak reasons IMO (which is more typical of his scumplay). Still not sure about disfo, and not completely sure about Calix either. Mainly it's because there hasn't been any meaningful opposition, but just scattered votes all around. That rarely leads to a correct lunch. Yeah, about that. On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote:
Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?
I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.
I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so. I'm confused as to why you think it's suspect for me to have pushed disformation 'a bit quickly/ strongly and stuck with it' when you agreed with all of my points and spent more time talking about it than I did? My point here being that since you acted in a similar way, it doesn't make sense for you to then agree with Eden when he calls out the same behaviour in me. And I still don't get how Eden calling you top town influences your response to his case. In general, I think Eden has not been talked about as much as I was expecting him to be. @Damdred, can you expand on your Eden read? Yeah, a lot of what Eden did content wise was a rehash that made him look more active,while the answers were in thread already. The time was more accusatory rather than inquisitive and his case felt more like throw everything I can and we what sticks people run on. Then throws a vote down without really a ton I interaction a lot of the other reads are easily escapable from not really firm. And hasn't done much since, and doesn't really seem to care about pushing to case even right after he made it.
Sure, Eden's posts didn't consider my later interactions with disformation or anything else I've done but that's not necessarily AI if he just found my early play scummy.
I don't think Eden 'not doing much since there' means anything. He clearly put a sizable amount of effort into the posts he did make (outside of the bullshit claim stuff). In fact, all these 'well people haven't done much' posts don't mean a great deal right now. It's D1. If someone was amazing on D1 and then tanked overnight then using this sort of logic would make more sense but right now? Nah.
On March 19 2017 01:04 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2017 00:54 Calix wrote:On March 19 2017 00:41 Xatalos wrote:On March 18 2017 22:12 Damdred wrote:
Xata or anyone who on the mal wagon makes you super skeptical? rayn isn't even on his wagon, but he's pushed Mal nonetheless, and with very weak reasons IMO (which is more typical of his scumplay). Still not sure about disfo, and not completely sure about Calix either. Mainly it's because there hasn't been any meaningful opposition, but just scattered votes all around. That rarely leads to a correct lunch. Yeah, about that. On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote:
Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?
I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.
I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so. I'm confused as to why you think it's suspect for me to have pushed disformation 'a bit quickly/ strongly and stuck with it' when you agreed with all of my points and spent more time talking about it than I did? My point here being that since you acted in a similar way, it doesn't make sense for you to then agree with Eden when he calls out the same behaviour in me. And I still don't get how Eden calling you top town influences your response to his case. In general, I think Eden has not been talked about as much as I was expecting him to be. @Damdred, can you expand on your Eden read? Well, it's not like I think you're sure scum like he implied or anything. Just that his reasoning kind of made sense to me. You did jump to scumread him very quickly, and a bit too strongly considering the reasoning (tone) maybe... and kind of left the wagon to roll until it died? And abandoned the wagon just like that even though your other points weren't really addressed, just the confusion part that I was mostly suspicious of? Dunno. I can see the scum motivation in that. But then again, you've been pretty active and contributing very, so I don't have any motivation to pursue the matter.
I have explained that already. I found disformation stuck out compared to everyone else because of his tone and voted him based on that. Given that it got shit going, I have no regrets there
I was actually AFK while all of that shit over disformation was going down yesterday but you wouldn't have known that. I said on several occasions that I would reconsider disformation if he started contributing on his own terms, which he did, so I unvoted when I got back. No point in hounding him much more at that point since it would just distract him if he is town, you know?
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On March 19 2017 01:27 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2017 01:12 Calix wrote:On March 19 2017 01:02 Damdred wrote:On March 19 2017 00:54 Calix wrote:On March 19 2017 00:41 Xatalos wrote:On March 18 2017 22:12 Damdred wrote:
Xata or anyone who on the mal wagon makes you super skeptical? rayn isn't even on his wagon, but he's pushed Mal nonetheless, and with very weak reasons IMO (which is more typical of his scumplay). Still not sure about disfo, and not completely sure about Calix either. Mainly it's because there hasn't been any meaningful opposition, but just scattered votes all around. That rarely leads to a correct lunch. Yeah, about that. On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote:
Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?
I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.
I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so. I'm confused as to why you think it's suspect for me to have pushed disformation 'a bit quickly/ strongly and stuck with it' when you agreed with all of my points and spent more time talking about it than I did? My point here being that since you acted in a similar way, it doesn't make sense for you to then agree with Eden when he calls out the same behaviour in me. And I still don't get how Eden calling you top town influences your response to his case. In general, I think Eden has not been talked about as much as I was expecting him to be. @Damdred, can you expand on your Eden read? Yeah, a lot of what Eden did content wise was a rehash that made him look more active,while the answers were in thread already. The time was more accusatory rather than inquisitive and his case felt more like throw everything I can and we what sticks people run on. Then throws a vote down without really a ton I interaction a lot of the other reads are easily escapable from not really firm. And hasn't done much since, and doesn't really seem to care about pushing to case even right after he made it. Sure, Eden's posts didn't consider my later interactions with disformation or anything else I've done but that's not necessarily AI if he just found my early play scummy. I don't think Eden 'not doing much since there' means anything. He clearly put a sizable amount of effort into the posts he did make (outside of the bullshit claim stuff). In fact, all these 'well people haven't done much' posts don't mean a great deal right now. It's D1. If someone was amazing on D1 and then tanked overnight then using this sort of logic would make more sense but right now? Nah. On March 19 2017 01:04 Xatalos wrote:On March 19 2017 00:54 Calix wrote:On March 19 2017 00:41 Xatalos wrote:On March 18 2017 22:12 Damdred wrote:
Xata or anyone who on the mal wagon makes you super skeptical? rayn isn't even on his wagon, but he's pushed Mal nonetheless, and with very weak reasons IMO (which is more typical of his scumplay). Still not sure about disfo, and not completely sure about Calix either. Mainly it's because there hasn't been any meaningful opposition, but just scattered votes all around. That rarely leads to a correct lunch. Yeah, about that. On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote:
Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?
I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.
I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so. I'm confused as to why you think it's suspect for me to have pushed disformation 'a bit quickly/ strongly and stuck with it' when you agreed with all of my points and spent more time talking about it than I did? My point here being that since you acted in a similar way, it doesn't make sense for you to then agree with Eden when he calls out the same behaviour in me. And I still don't get how Eden calling you top town influences your response to his case. In general, I think Eden has not been talked about as much as I was expecting him to be. @Damdred, can you expand on your Eden read? Well, it's not like I think you're sure scum like he implied or anything. Just that his reasoning kind of made sense to me. You did jump to scumread him very quickly, and a bit too strongly considering the reasoning (tone) maybe... and kind of left the wagon to roll until it died? And abandoned the wagon just like that even though your other points weren't really addressed, just the confusion part that I was mostly suspicious of? Dunno. I can see the scum motivation in that. But then again, you've been pretty active and contributing very, so I don't have any motivation to pursue the matter. I have explained that already. I found disformation stuck out compared to everyone else because of his tone and voted him based on that. Given that it got shit going, I have no regrets there I was actually AFK while all of that shit over disformation was going down yesterday but you wouldn't have known that. I said on several occasions that I would reconsider disformation if he started contributing on his own terms, which he did, so I unvoted when I got back. No point in hounding him much more at that point since it would just distract him if he is town, you know? Hm yeah, I guess so. Still it seemed a bit fast how you dropped it even though you had added a couple of other reasons to scumread him during that and your scumread seemed to be getting stronger until it suddenly disappeared? Dunno. I'm not lunching you at this point regardless
I maintain that it only seems that way since I didn't bother to explain my reasoning in full when I unvoted P:
And I don't particularly care if you want me lynched right now or not. I'd just rather clear up shit now - while it's still relatively quiet and chill - as opposed to repeating this conversation later in the game. So unless you have any other questions, I'll be ending this chit-chat.
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On March 19 2017 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If onegu keeps playing like this we lynch the shit out of him.
+1
Good way of getting him to either spew himself town or eat rope.
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On March 19 2017 02:36 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2017 02:36 Calix wrote:On March 19 2017 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If onegu keeps playing like this we lynch the shit out of him. +1 Good way of getting him to either spew himself town or eat rope. Eh doesnt work with Onegu
Then I guess we'll be lynching you then.
Because guess what? I had a hard enough time reading you when I was mafia and now I'm not, I'm not leaving you to dick around. Not with this game state.
As for your Blue read, I would like to know more here. Please, don't hold back
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On March 19 2017 02:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2017 02:36 Onegu wrote:On March 19 2017 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If onegu keeps playing like this we lynch the shit out of him. If you want reasons I will provide later but really dont know how you saw him as your top town read at one point... He's a good player and he can figure out townies for reasons that actually make people town. I didn't even need his explanation on the Koshi read i just instantly knew he has one and that he is town.
Have you played with Blue before? O.o
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On March 19 2017 02:56 disformation wrote:
hmmmm. i'm cool with rayn's read on tw.
tw being suspicious as hell of one of the few ppl to have a tr on him, also kinda makes him more town imo.
Agreed on the last point especially.
Dunno what to make of Onegu right now. He's made a strong stance but I'm not convinced. I can maybe see a point for Blue being overly self-aware if I squint through a shot glass but that's not scummy by itself. An incidental tell to support a larger case at best.
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