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On March 22 2017 04:54 disformation wrote:dunno. aight lets do something else: can you explain why xata is town without meta? also: Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 01:07 Calix wrote:
[...]So yes, I see your thought process and it is decent as a case. And I will try to filter Xatalos with this in mind. I still think he's town for meta. But maybe I am giving him too much slack by doing that. So I will try to ignore that. I am trying to fix my computer so if I succeed then I will read his filter then. Did you go filter him yet? (i know his fucking filter is yuge, but like skim it) do you think my points on eden -> xata are better than koshis xata -> eden? as in: Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 03:35 disformation wrote:On March 22 2017 00:16 Koshi wrote:On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote:
Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?
I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.
I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so. Shows guilt On March 19 2017 00:51 Xatalos wrote:
Foley seems OK'ish for now, I guess? He talks a lot in a focused manner (focused on doing useful things). Kind of jumps to quick snap judgments. His reads aren't too far from my own, just a couple of people in different places. Pretty... null / slight town lean? Not really the best D1 lynch IMO Not sure if I like this read on Foley. Too generic. Should actually check if his reads really line up with those of darth. On March 19 2017 00:55 Xatalos wrote:
Eden seemed kind of OK? At least his Calix case actually made me reconsider Calix - no matter if it's right or wrong, at least he seems to do things and not just lurk by. So much bad in this sentence. 1) Soft defense on Eden for no reason. 2) And who says "I considered scumreading Calix due to this case, it doesn't matter if the case is wrong"? He doesn't say it like that. But he acknowledges the fact it could very well be wrong. 3) So twice he hides behind Eden case to scumread Calix.... Feels like what he did to me and rayn. On March 19 2017 01:04 Xatalos wrote:On March 19 2017 00:54 Calix wrote:On March 19 2017 00:41 Xatalos wrote:On March 18 2017 22:12 Damdred wrote:
Xata or anyone who on the mal wagon makes you super skeptical? rayn isn't even on his wagon, but he's pushed Mal nonetheless, and with very weak reasons IMO (which is more typical of his scumplay). Still not sure about disfo, and not completely sure about Calix either. Mainly it's because there hasn't been any meaningful opposition, but just scattered votes all around. That rarely leads to a correct lunch. Yeah, about that. On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote:
Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?
I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.
I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so. I'm confused as to why you think it's suspect for me to have pushed disformation 'a bit quickly/ strongly and stuck with it' when you agreed with all of my points and spent more time talking about it than I did? My point here being that since you acted in a similar way, it doesn't make sense for you to then agree with Eden when he calls out the same behaviour in me. And I still don't get how Eden calling you top town influences your response to his case. In general, I think Eden has not been talked about as much as I was expecting him to be. @Damdred, can you expand on your Eden read? Well, it's not like I think you're sure scum like he implied or anything. Just that his reasoning kind of made sense to me. You did jump to scumread him very quickly, and a bit too strongly considering the reasoning (tone) maybe... and kind of left the wagon to roll until it died? And abandoned the wagon just like that even though your other points weren't really addressed, just the confusion part that I was mostly suspicious of? Dunno. I can see the scum motivation in that. But then again, you've been pretty active and contributing very, so I don't have any motivation to pursue the matter. When confronted by Calix he is very apologetic. While he should try to figure out if the case is either correct or false.Xatalos, why feul the Eden case and incriminate Calix but then don't do anything yourself when Calix confronts you? did you check eden's filter for eden on xatalos. it was also in my stuff on xata. if eden is scum eden might have town spewed xata. i agree that that the interactions from xatas side didnt look good though. (bolded by the author) On March 18 2017 04:57 Eden1892 wrote:On March 18 2017 04:23 darthfoley wrote:
I'd like your overall reads when you have them Eden I don't have a lot yet and I'm sure outside of Calix, none of it is interesting. Top town is Xatalos followed shortly by rayn and Koshi. Top scum is Calix. Damdred has said a lot without a lot jumping out at me one way or another. I don't recall having this much difficulty discerning any feeling about his alignment when he's one of the more active posters in the thread before. Not really sure what to make of it yet, and to be fair to him, my relative disconnectedness from this game compared to past ones on here is probably to blame. I think disformation is lock town if I'm right about Calix. Pretty sure Calix is scum and spewed disfo town. Loved this post by disfo as well: On March 17 2017 18:05 disformation wrote:On March 17 2017 17:58 Calix wrote:
Explain scum motivation for calling multiple people town this early on and stating that I do not want to lynch them today. I'd like to see the inevitable bullshit which is sure to come. 1) Push someone weak so you have a scum read 2) get lazy and give the rest lazy town reads 3) "look how much work i already did" if shit happens you can still easily backtrack, since its early and the trs where fairly weak in the first place I don't get the Malongo wagon having so many votes. He's a giant blank right now and it's weird that a wagon on a straight null poster got so much traction so quick. Makes me think that there were multiple mafia driving the early discussion and managed to get attention centered on a townie with weak/no thread presence. The alternative is that Malongo is mafia and his team can't do anything to stop the town, in which case this game is easy and I'm not worried anyway. That's about all I got that I think matters right now.
Yes, I've already explained on multiple occasions why Xatalos is town WITHOUT using meta. If you want me to quote then I can but I really cannot be fucked. And you could probably find them when you look at me  I've only really used meta as of late since he is, you know, a wagon and shit and having previous experience with him as a scum team mate is relevant.
And no, I didn't filter him in the end because when I caught up with the thread, I figured his reaction was townie and didn't see the point.
I don't know what points you refer to. Do you mean 'Eden spewed Xat town' thing? If so, the answer is no.
It's a bit weird because the points against Xatalos make sense...but I don't think he's mafia anyway. I don't know how to describe it. 'Gut feeling' or maybe meta is influencing me more than I think it is or whatever, idk.
(also I don't like the sudden push away from Eden and onto Xatalos, as DF noted)
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On March 22 2017 05:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Since you and Calix have pointed it out how i townread Eden then you and Calix can fucking show me where i say so?
Okay, let me put it this way.
If you don't town-read Eden, then I'll make the WILD assumption that you scum-read him.
Given your current reads, this means you think the scum-team is Eden/ Calix/ Xatalos.
2/3 of your scum-reads are the leading wagons.
Have I made any mistakes here?
If I have not, I don't get why you're yelling so hard to lynch Xatalos when you think Eden is mafia. Or why you suddenly give a shit now when 2/3 of your scum-reads were the leading wagons yesterday and you didn't give a shit there.
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On March 22 2017 05:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 05:35 Calix wrote:On March 22 2017 05:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Since you and Calix have pointed it out how i townread Eden then you and Calix can fucking show me where i say so? Okay, let me put it this way. If you don't town-read Eden, then I'll make the WILD assumption that you scum-read him. Given your current reads, this means you think the scum-team is Eden/ Calix/ Xatalos. 2/3 of your scum-reads are the leading wagons. Have I made any mistakes here? If I have not, I don't get why you're yelling so hard to lynch Xatalos when you think Eden is mafia. Or why you suddenly give a shit now when 2/3 of your scum-reads were the leading wagons yesterday and you didn't give a shit there. because i want to lynch xatalos. i couldn't give any fucks which one of malongo or damdred was lynched. if you have noticed anything my take on this game has notably changed after Adam joined. I want to lynch Xatalos. Then i want to lynch you. You are both mafia, fuck you and try me. 
You could have said "I don't have a good answer to your question" instead of "lol I want to lynch Xatalos first". It would have been less embarrassing for you.
And I don't fancy fucking you when I might catch something
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The graveyard and myself beg to differ re: being """"right""""
As said before, this isn't MS and your weird posting isn't going to do anything.
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On March 22 2017 05:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
so you can go back to your fucking retarded MS or whatever if you want to but never call me some fucking scrub who cant play mafia, because you will never win.
Sure thing, scrub.
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On March 22 2017 05:57 Tumblewood wrote:
obv town:
calix
amg
rayn
probable town:
df
koshi
???
onegu
eden
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xata
damdred
disfo
Question. If Xatalos is that low down, then why not vote for him when he's more likely to be lynched? disformation is clearly not dying today is my point.
And reasoning for Damdred? (have only skimmed your filter so may have missed this)
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If Eden is town then I don't even know where we went wrong with this game.
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On March 22 2017 06:27 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 06:12 Koshi wrote:
Like if Eden is town we are getting outplayed quite badly. Xatalos is going to be lock scum then. But the others are hiding. Darthfoley. AMG. Onegu. disformation.
Well if the other blue is in the last 4 it is fine I guess. 33% + 50% to win Well if rayn is telling the truth, there should be a Cop since there was no Vig shot. That means the game is practically won. If the Cop has any idea what he's doing. If rayn is lying, then who knows. At least he'll be caught eventually.
So should the Cop claim tomorrow if they have two decent checks then?
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On March 22 2017 06:31 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 06:28 Calix wrote:On March 22 2017 06:27 Xatalos wrote:On March 22 2017 06:12 Koshi wrote:
Like if Eden is town we are getting outplayed quite badly. Xatalos is going to be lock scum then. But the others are hiding. Darthfoley. AMG. Onegu. disformation.
Well if the other blue is in the last 4 it is fine I guess. 33% + 50% to win Well if rayn is telling the truth, there should be a Cop since there was no Vig shot. That means the game is practically won. If the Cop has any idea what he's doing. If rayn is lying, then who knows. At least he'll be caught eventually. So should the Cop claim tomorrow if they have two decent checks then? At least if he's a suspect and has good checks then probably. That would help a lot. If he's townread and the checks aren't that helpful, then probably not. In any case I don't think the right play is to claim right as day starts. Better wait until some things happen first and scum moves are in the open to crush them.
I'm just worried that Cop gets shot without making their check clear if they are really townie. But I guess I'll leave it up to them and assume they're not stupid P:
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Best case scenario. Eden IS the Mafia Roleblocker and this sorts itself out.
But I kinda doubt it.
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So bad that I'm not even getting popcorn.
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Does this basically confirm Xatalos as town due to VCA? Damdred/ disfo, pls chip in here.
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On March 22 2017 07:05 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 07:04 Calix wrote:
Does this basically confirm Xatalos as town due to VCA? Damdred/ disfo, pls chip in here. By the way, in that case, which of my pushers do you think were scum?
This is something that requires me to look back. Remind me to give a shit about that build-up on you tomorrow.
From votes, Tweedledumb just sitting on disformation when he could have plausibly voted for Xatalos is quite interesting.
Adam looks 'obviously terrible' if you get my drift since he defended Eden a lot. However, that doesn't necessarily mean he's mafia as the 'paranoid townie' theory holds.
Koshi's read progression on you may warrant further investigation.
Nobody else's votes stand out to me right now.
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Hello Tumblewood. How have your reads changed in light of this flip?
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I don't think both scummers are on Xatalos either unless the scum team is Koshi/ Adam or rayn is somehow bullshitting beyond all levels of logic.
It's entirely possible that the scum thought "eh, Eden's a lost cause, let's just vote and cut our losses" and that the Xatalos wagon is pure, actually.
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PSA: Asking whether Adam would have the balls to hard-defend a team mate on the day that team mate gets lynched is WIFOM. Scum can do whatever they want with regards to their team mates. It's how he defended Eden that matters.
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I distinctly remember Eden saying that I spewed disformation as town, lol.
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Okay so what I got from Eden's filter was this.
- Lots and lots of wankery over how scummy I am.
- Asking disformation about why he 'took his Doctor claim at face value' which didn't really go anyway
- The 'disfo is totes town because mafia Calix spewed him that' post
- A wishy-washy 'read' on Damdred
Damdred has said a lot without a lot jumping out at me one way or another. I don't recall having this much difficulty discerning any feeling about his alignment when he's one of the more active posters in the thread before. Not really sure what to make of it yet, and to be fair to him, my relative disconnectedness from this game compared to past ones on here is probably to blame.
As for Damdred, I didn't say that I don't think he's mafia, just that he didn't make an impression one way or another. I'm still not really prepared to say that he isn't, either. Just seems like he's said a lot of words and made a lot of posts, but very little has made a strong impression either way. I'll go and reread his filter and try to develop a more crystallized opinion of him for you though, since that's your wagon for today and I trust your motivations.
- An absurd amount of time spent on explaining why rayn is town because of meta
That's about it, really.
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Given that Eden basically plagiarised disformation's reasons for scum-reading me, this might mean that disformation is town after all.
Mafia usually aren't in the business of copying each other's reads/ reasoning that blatantly.
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