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Koshi, question. What convinced you about Xatalos? You say you don't believe he is scum then you make that wall post. And that would be fine by itself. But then you post from Xat pg 11 (?) and say "either town or mafia riding my ass" which sounds like a town read (?) and then you vote. I don't understand the full thought process.
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On March 22 2017 00:16 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote:
Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?
I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.
I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so. Shows guilt Show nested quote +On March 19 2017 00:51 Xatalos wrote:
Foley seems OK'ish for now, I guess? He talks a lot in a focused manner (focused on doing useful things). Kind of jumps to quick snap judgments. His reads aren't too far from my own, just a couple of people in different places. Pretty... null / slight town lean? Not really the best D1 lynch IMO Not sure if I like this read on Foley. Too generic. Should actually check if his reads really line up with those of darth. Show nested quote +On March 19 2017 00:55 Xatalos wrote:
Eden seemed kind of OK? At least his Calix case actually made me reconsider Calix - no matter if it's right or wrong, at least he seems to do things and not just lurk by. So much bad in this sentence. 1) Soft defense on Eden for no reason. 2) And who says "I considered scumreading Calix due to this case, it doesn't matter if the case is wrong"? He doesn't say it like that. But he acknowledges the fact it could very well be wrong. 3) So twice he hides behind Eden case to scumread Calix.... Feels like what he did to me and rayn. Show nested quote +On March 19 2017 01:04 Xatalos wrote:On March 19 2017 00:54 Calix wrote:On March 19 2017 00:41 Xatalos wrote:On March 18 2017 22:12 Damdred wrote:
Xata or anyone who on the mal wagon makes you super skeptical? rayn isn't even on his wagon, but he's pushed Mal nonetheless, and with very weak reasons IMO (which is more typical of his scumplay). Still not sure about disfo, and not completely sure about Calix either. Mainly it's because there hasn't been any meaningful opposition, but just scattered votes all around. That rarely leads to a correct lunch. Yeah, about that. On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote:
Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?
I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.
I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so. I'm confused as to why you think it's suspect for me to have pushed disformation 'a bit quickly/ strongly and stuck with it' when you agreed with all of my points and spent more time talking about it than I did? My point here being that since you acted in a similar way, it doesn't make sense for you to then agree with Eden when he calls out the same behaviour in me. And I still don't get how Eden calling you top town influences your response to his case. In general, I think Eden has not been talked about as much as I was expecting him to be. @Damdred, can you expand on your Eden read? Well, it's not like I think you're sure scum like he implied or anything. Just that his reasoning kind of made sense to me. You did jump to scumread him very quickly, and a bit too strongly considering the reasoning (tone) maybe... and kind of left the wagon to roll until it died? And abandoned the wagon just like that even though your other points weren't really addressed, just the confusion part that I was mostly suspicious of? Dunno. I can see the scum motivation in that. But then again, you've been pretty active and contributing very, so I don't have any motivation to pursue the matter. When confronted by Calix he is very apologetic. While he should try to figure out if the case is either correct or false.Xatalos, why feul the Eden case and incriminate Calix but then don't do anything yourself when Calix confronts you?
This? I do not know how I missed it the first time -.-
I agree that point 1 is weird because him being a top town of Eden's should not affect his liking the case. That stood out to me too but I am biased because it was a case against me. I do not think point 2 is meaningful. I also agree on point 3 that he is hiding behind me. He town read Tweedledumb because I really believed Tweedledumb is town. Which was weird and I did not like it. And obviously I agree on the last part as I tried talking on that already.
So yes, I see your thought process and it is decent as a case. And I will try to filter Xatalos with this in mind. I still think he's town for meta. But maybe I am giving him too much slack by doing that. So I will try to ignore that. I am trying to fix my computer so if I succeed then I will read his filter then.
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Okay, have a (mostly) functional computer now. I'd like to apologise to rayn for flipping out at him earlier >_>
Anyway, DF has upgraded dramatically in my eyes. That's because when I was catching up, I had almost the exact same thoughts as he did.
On March 22 2017 02:04 darthfoley wrote:
Btw I still think Eden is the lynch today. I voted for disformation for CW and discussion purposes but i'm more comfortable with Eden dying than Xatalos, especially because I don't think there's been a slam dunk case for Eden's townieness yet now the winds seem to be shifting off of him even though he's done absolutely nothing.
Yea there may be question marks about Xata or whatever, but if Eden is scum and his scum mates get the obvious lynch off of him without him having posted, I will eat my own ass in frustration after this game.
On March 22 2017 02:08 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 01:06 Xatalos wrote:On March 22 2017 01:05 Koshi wrote:On March 22 2017 01:02 Xatalos wrote:On March 22 2017 00:58 Koshi wrote:On March 22 2017 00:56 Xatalos wrote:On March 22 2017 00:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Both vote for me instead of Eden. I need a couple of hours to figure this shit out. Why in the name of all that is holy would you risk your own life as JK? Or claim in the first place, if I might ask? I would never do either of those actions as a blue, and you're very willing to abandon your role usage for some thread clout. Why would he do it as mafia? Why ask this question? And why are you ignoring my 3 posts I made on you? Sorry, I was keeping up with the thread on my phone in short bursts earlier. Didn't read your posts in detail. I'll get to them eventually. Could you maybe summarize your case? Because like a couple of pages ago I was your top town, now top scum. The change is really radical. As scum his actions would make a lot of sense. Gain some credibility by fakeclaiming (especially in a vanilla setup), direct the lynch away from himself/Eden, maybe get 1-2 mislynches before getting caught. If it's not a vanilla setup, he could alternatively catch the blues before going down. As town..... just why would he abandon his crucial role with ease and even want people to vote for him vs me? As scum he would certainly want that, since it'd be easier to win him vs me than Eden vs me. I already explained to you that there is no way rayn fucking fakeclaims to save his partner Eden. This is not fucking lylo and he can ALWAYS be counter to be CONFIRMED mafia. Why would he be THIS FUCKING DESPERATE AS MAFIA? Well in the vanilla setup it would make perfect sense. The situation was pretty desperate with scum vs scum wagons (assuming they're both scum). This is why I am uncomfortable lynching Xata for the time being. He seems to be the only one seriously considering THIS specifical scenario in which rayn can't be CC'd. Is it likely? Not really, but the fact that he's arguing it is townie IMO. Like why throw this much shade towards a blue, if you're scum!Xata?????? What is the end goal
Even when he's becoming the counter-wagon, he's still harping on about rayn. I feel like scum would have stopped trying to fight with the uncounterclaimed TPR. You might go "oh he's shitting up the thread" but I don't get that vibe since he kept on at it even after he started getting flak for it. And even does it after admitting that it's a dumb idea. Since all he has accomplished by doing so is looking horrible/ drawing a tonne of attention from the UNCOUNTERCLAIMED TPR WHO IS NEVER GETTING LYNCHED TODAY/ inflating the thread, it seems like a suicidal move for scum.
Also I didn't have this thought while catching up but it's still a decent post IMO.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 22 2017 02:18 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 02:08 Damdred wrote:
Answer me this question DF
3. Scum is in a much better situation than the town thinks currently, and wants to provide the town with as little information as possible. Which is exactly what happened
You do say that this is exactly what happened. This implies that Eden is not scum as Ritoky gives us lots of information if Eden is scum.
So why do you think that Eden is scum now and voting for him? No, I think it's quite clear ritoky's kill gives us very little information, especially at the time I made the post. It leaves all the strong vocal town in the game, for the paranoia factor, it kills the kinda wildcard player. Which is E X A C T L Y why everyone in the thread at the time was like lolwtf when the ritoky kill happened. We'll obviously see more when more flips happen. This whole day has kind of gone in waves against various people. First, disformation, then me kinda, then Xatalos. It almost feels to me like scum are trying to mud sling, see what sticks, somehow helping Eden survive one more day. Even one day extra of scum!Eden surviving could be important later in the game. The fact that he has checked out of this game also feels indicative of scum to me. I just don't know in what world we let Eden slide out of being lynched based off of one AMG "i'm paranoid post." Well now i'm paranoid that we're talking ourselves out of an obvious lynch
Anyway this.
##vote Eden1892
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BTW DF, I used GREEN - AS IN, TO SYMBOLISE TOWN - to highlight the parts I liked. I hope you're proud 
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On March 22 2017 02:53 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2017 23:42 AMG wrote:
I'm shifting my vote to Xalatos, I feel a heck of a lot more confident he's going to flip scum than Eden. This is a pretty weak conclusion after having all D2 to figure things out :/
Looking at his filter, he seemed to have progressed from scum to "liking Koshi's points" to scum again based on this:
On March 21 2017 23:28 AMG wrote:Post 369Just feels.... off. He thinks you're showing forced/fake agression, calls all your cases unconvincing and weak, and finishes it off with "At first I was half-convinced rayn was scum, but now I'm not sure again. If someone I was "half-convinced" was scum started pulling that crap in my eyes, id probably find myself more convinced they're scum.
Your thoughts?
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Also the solution to 'scum want town cred omg' is to give nobody any cred ever from any scum lynches this game. Problem solved.
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roflmao
Have you seen how a Xatalos/ Calix scum team actually plays?
Hint: It's not hardcore town-reading each other for the entire game because neither of us are that ballsy.
#WIFOM
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On March 22 2017 03:28 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 03:23 Calix wrote:
roflmao
Have you seen how a Xatalos/ Calix scum team actually plays?
Hint: It's not hardcore town-reading each other for the entire game because neither of us are that ballsy.
#WIFOM Calix was also pretty fast to lose hope from what I remember. Here she seems to persevering through anything instead. Unless the scumteam is something crazy like Calix/Damdred/Koshi (lol), I don't see how she would be so motivated. If I'm right to any extent, the scumteam is already screwed soon.
This is true but to be fair, you're probably not going to see me concede ever again...just because having two concedes on my scum record speaks incredibly poorly of my play and I have a bit more pride than that 
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On March 22 2017 04:05 Tumblewood wrote:
rayn and xata I get that you wanna shit on each other but can u please tone it down
I think it's karmic justice for all the times NU and I have flamed each other.
I can now relate to the observers ;-;
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On March 22 2017 04:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 04:06 Calix wrote:On March 22 2017 04:05 Tumblewood wrote:
rayn and xata I get that you wanna shit on each other but can u please tone it down I think it's karmic justice for all the times NU and I have flamed each other. I can now relate to the observers ;-; Youre scum so idc
You didn't care so much that you responded to an obvious joke to tell me you didn't care 
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On March 22 2017 04:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Xatalos. If you are town then tell me and we try to murder calix for her bs read. Look at it. I am not mafia. Do fucking smth if youre town.
Your sudden aversion to lynching Eden...even though you said that "if Eden is mafia then Calix is always mafia" is extremely odd. Did you ever explain why you started town-reading Eden?
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On March 22 2017 04:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 04:18 Calix wrote:On March 22 2017 04:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Xatalos. If you are town then tell me and we try to murder calix for her bs read. Look at it. I am not mafia. Do fucking smth if youre town. Your sudden aversion to lynching Eden...even though you said that "if Eden is mafia then Calix is always mafia" is extremely odd. Did you ever explain why you started town-reading Eden? Try lynch me.
All I did was ask you a question. Being blindly stubborn isn't going to help your cause.
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For the fact that you're so hung up on logic, you're incredibly bad at using it. Or using reading comprehension, for that matter.
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On March 22 2017 04:30 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 03:23 Calix wrote:
roflmao
Have you seen how a Xatalos/ Calix scum team actually plays?
Hint: It's not hardcore town-reading each other for the entire game because neither of us are that ballsy.
#WIFOM Show nested quote +On March 20 2017 18:11 Calix wrote:On March 20 2017 18:08 disformation wrote:On March 20 2017 18:01 Calix wrote:On March 20 2017 17:56 disformation wrote:On March 20 2017 17:47 Calix wrote:On March 20 2017 17:45 disformation wrote:On March 20 2017 17:43 Calix wrote:On March 20 2017 17:40 disformation wrote:On March 20 2017 17:38 Calix wrote:
disformation, that was an extremely lame OMGUS (again, lol) and the fact that you put more effort into defending yourself than you have into doing anything else is not helping you.
Not to mention that claiming I called you mafia because Koshi put you in his shit-list without explanation (???) is the most retarded argument in the thread. No. You are lock scum to me. You pushed me most of D1 and then did nothing. N1 you only argue around a bit, but basically do nothing. PPL call you out on doing nothing you push me again. So I'm only 'lock scum' after I push you again? K Tell me what YOU'VE done this game. Go on, I'll wait. I can't wait to see how you can accuse me of 'basically doing nothing' when your filter is 90% defending, going along with thread sentiment and fluff posts. The irony is extremely high right now. isnt telling you what ive done this game even more defending? and going along with the thread sentiment is extremely nai for me, as anyone who ever played with you can tell very easily. LOL, YOU CAN'T EVEN TELL US WHAT YOU'VE ACHIEVED. And you have what, 8? 9? pages of filter at this point. Holy shit, do I need to summarise it for you? Because it won't be pretty, mate. Ooh, NAI. That's kinda my point. You have not done anything 'townie' this game, just things which don't 'look' scummy on the surface. But under that, there's nothing. You're so forgettable that it's not even funny. lol what the fuck do you expect me to say? I tried to figure out ppl alignments and talk to ppl in thread? and then get "lol your posts are boring" or ppl who didnt even read them? or that i had to spend a fuckton of time d1 explaining a throwaway post i made early on? I'd expect you to at least know what impact you've had on the game or what original contributions you've made and if you can't do that then you're mafia and can die. And yes, your posts are shamefully dull. It's my tried and tested heuristic. Townies are interesting and proactive. Mafia are bland and passive. You are the textbook example of the second. It's like HTS in Dark Tournament (if we're going to cross-reference players ) You didn't 'have to' spend a load of time talking about it. You made that choice...at the expense of anything else Nice deflecting of responsibility for your own actions when you could have just told Xatalos and co to fuck right off and then blow them away with ACTUAL scum-hunting. Welcome to town!disformation. Thanks for describing my town meta and say that is scum. You could also have attempted a meta read on me, since i was scum together with hats in dark tournament. and thats not how i work @ xata. in the same way that i keep arguing with you instead of doing work. Oh give me a break with your meta references. I don't give a shit about meta analysis when your play this game is exactly what mafia in this situation would do. Telling me "oh it's my town meta" instead of actually showing me that you're town via your actions is incredibly mafia, actually.
Your point?
And if you say "you contradicted yourself" then I'm going to laugh.
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On March 22 2017 04:37 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 04:32 Calix wrote:On March 22 2017 04:30 disformation wrote:On March 22 2017 03:23 Calix wrote:
roflmao
Have you seen how a Xatalos/ Calix scum team actually plays?
Hint: It's not hardcore town-reading each other for the entire game because neither of us are that ballsy.
#WIFOM On March 20 2017 18:11 Calix wrote:On March 20 2017 18:08 disformation wrote:On March 20 2017 18:01 Calix wrote:On March 20 2017 17:56 disformation wrote:On March 20 2017 17:47 Calix wrote:On March 20 2017 17:45 disformation wrote:On March 20 2017 17:43 Calix wrote:
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So I'm only 'lock scum' after I push you again? K
Tell me what YOU'VE done this game. Go on, I'll wait.
I can't wait to see how you can accuse me of 'basically doing nothing' when your filter is 90% defending, going along with thread sentiment and fluff posts. The irony is extremely high right now. isnt telling you what ive done this game even more defending? and going along with the thread sentiment is extremely nai for me, as anyone who ever played with you can tell very easily. LOL, YOU CAN'T EVEN TELL US WHAT YOU'VE ACHIEVED. And you have what, 8? 9? pages of filter at this point. Holy shit, do I need to summarise it for you? Because it won't be pretty, mate. Ooh, NAI. That's kinda my point. You have not done anything 'townie' this game, just things which don't 'look' scummy on the surface. But under that, there's nothing. You're so forgettable that it's not even funny. lol what the fuck do you expect me to say? I tried to figure out ppl alignments and talk to ppl in thread? and then get "lol your posts are boring" or ppl who didnt even read them? or that i had to spend a fuckton of time d1 explaining a throwaway post i made early on? I'd expect you to at least know what impact you've had on the game or what original contributions you've made and if you can't do that then you're mafia and can die. And yes, your posts are shamefully dull. It's my tried and tested heuristic. Townies are interesting and proactive. Mafia are bland and passive. You are the textbook example of the second. It's like HTS in Dark Tournament (if we're going to cross-reference players ) You didn't 'have to' spend a load of time talking about it. You made that choice...at the expense of anything else Nice deflecting of responsibility for your own actions when you could have just told Xatalos and co to fuck right off and then blow them away with ACTUAL scum-hunting. Welcome to town!disformation. Thanks for describing my town meta and say that is scum. You could also have attempted a meta read on me, since i was scum together with hats in dark tournament. and thats not how i work @ xata. in the same way that i keep arguing with you instead of doing work. Oh give me a break with your meta references. I don't give a shit about meta analysis when your play this game is exactly what mafia in this situation would do. Telling me "oh it's my town meta" instead of actually showing me that you're town via your actions is incredibly mafia, actually. Your point? And if you say "you contradicted yourself" then I'm going to laugh. was more like a touché kind of thing
lol wtf
So you just thought leaving two quotes with no explanation and letting people read what they want into it was fine and dandy?
And you conveniently do this when rayn has tunnel-visioned me, thus giving him ammunition to keep tunneling me for shitty reasons?
Yeah no, I don't buy that.
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On March 22 2017 04:40 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 04:39 Calix wrote:On March 22 2017 04:37 disformation wrote:On March 22 2017 04:32 Calix wrote:On March 22 2017 04:30 disformation wrote:On March 22 2017 03:23 Calix wrote:
roflmao
Have you seen how a Xatalos/ Calix scum team actually plays?
Hint: It's not hardcore town-reading each other for the entire game because neither of us are that ballsy.
#WIFOM On March 20 2017 18:11 Calix wrote:On March 20 2017 18:08 disformation wrote:On March 20 2017 18:01 Calix wrote:On March 20 2017 17:56 disformation wrote:On March 20 2017 17:47 Calix wrote:
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LOL, YOU CAN'T EVEN TELL US WHAT YOU'VE ACHIEVED.
And you have what, 8? 9? pages of filter at this point. Holy shit, do I need to summarise it for you? Because it won't be pretty, mate.
Ooh, NAI. That's kinda my point. You have not done anything 'townie' this game, just things which don't 'look' scummy on the surface. But under that, there's nothing. You're so forgettable that it's not even funny. lol what the fuck do you expect me to say? I tried to figure out ppl alignments and talk to ppl in thread? and then get "lol your posts are boring" or ppl who didnt even read them? or that i had to spend a fuckton of time d1 explaining a throwaway post i made early on? I'd expect you to at least know what impact you've had on the game or what original contributions you've made and if you can't do that then you're mafia and can die. And yes, your posts are shamefully dull. It's my tried and tested heuristic. Townies are interesting and proactive. Mafia are bland and passive. You are the textbook example of the second. It's like HTS in Dark Tournament (if we're going to cross-reference players ) You didn't 'have to' spend a load of time talking about it. You made that choice...at the expense of anything else Nice deflecting of responsibility for your own actions when you could have just told Xatalos and co to fuck right off and then blow them away with ACTUAL scum-hunting. Welcome to town!disformation. Thanks for describing my town meta and say that is scum. You could also have attempted a meta read on me, since i was scum together with hats in dark tournament. and thats not how i work @ xata. in the same way that i keep arguing with you instead of doing work. Oh give me a break with your meta references. I don't give a shit about meta analysis when your play this game is exactly what mafia in this situation would do. Telling me "oh it's my town meta" instead of actually showing me that you're town via your actions is incredibly mafia, actually. Your point? And if you say "you contradicted yourself" then I'm going to laugh. was more like a touché kind of thing lol wtf So you just thought leaving two quotes with no explanation and letting people read what they want into it was fine and dandy? And you conveniently do this when rayn has tunnel-visioned me, thus giving him ammunition to keep tunneling me for shitty reasons? Yeah no, I don't buy that. i dont care if you buy anything or not. i do what i want to.
My point about you trying to fuel the flames of rayn's tunneling still applies, 'defiance' or not. You were quite clearly intending those quotes to portray me in a scummy light.
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On March 22 2017 04:43 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 04:41 Calix wrote:On March 22 2017 04:40 disformation wrote:On March 22 2017 04:39 Calix wrote:On March 22 2017 04:37 disformation wrote:On March 22 2017 04:32 Calix wrote:On March 22 2017 04:30 disformation wrote:On March 22 2017 03:23 Calix wrote:
roflmao
Have you seen how a Xatalos/ Calix scum team actually plays?
Hint: It's not hardcore town-reading each other for the entire game because neither of us are that ballsy.
#WIFOM On March 20 2017 18:11 Calix wrote:On March 20 2017 18:08 disformation wrote:On March 20 2017 18:01 Calix wrote:[quote] I'd expect you to at least know what impact you've had on the game or what original contributions you've made and if you can't do that then you're mafia and can die. And yes, your posts are shamefully dull. It's my tried and tested heuristic. Townies are interesting and proactive. Mafia are bland and passive. You are the textbook example of the second. It's like HTS in Dark Tournament (if we're going to cross-reference players ) You didn't 'have to' spend a load of time talking about it. You made that choice...at the expense of anything else Nice deflecting of responsibility for your own actions when you could have just told Xatalos and co to fuck right off and then blow them away with ACTUAL scum-hunting. Welcome to town!disformation. Thanks for describing my town meta and say that is scum. You could also have attempted a meta read on me, since i was scum together with hats in dark tournament. and thats not how i work @ xata. in the same way that i keep arguing with you instead of doing work. Oh give me a break with your meta references. I don't give a shit about meta analysis when your play this game is exactly what mafia in this situation would do. Telling me "oh it's my town meta" instead of actually showing me that you're town via your actions is incredibly mafia, actually. Your point? And if you say "you contradicted yourself" then I'm going to laugh. was more like a touché kind of thing lol wtf So you just thought leaving two quotes with no explanation and letting people read what they want into it was fine and dandy? And you conveniently do this when rayn has tunnel-visioned me, thus giving him ammunition to keep tunneling me for shitty reasons? Yeah no, I don't buy that. i dont care if you buy anything or not. i do what i want to. My point about you trying to fuel the flames of rayn's tunneling still applies, 'defiance' or not. You were quite clearly intending those quotes to portray me in a scummy light. why do i have the feeling it wont matter what i say to this?
Why do I have the feeling that you're bullshitting right now? Like, you're trying to tell me that you literally just popped in the thread JUST to tell everyone that I contradicted myself? As if that actually means anything. Especially when you said earlier that my use of meta was suspicious because I said I don't like using meta.
So yeah, I think you're lying
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Okay, not the most eloquent post.
What I want to say is...
You said earlier that my use of meta was suspicious because I dislike meta.
You then post two quotes of me contradicting myself about meta.
You are now trying to say that you WEREN'T intending that as a scum point against me.
???
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On March 22 2017 04:48 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 04:46 Calix wrote:
Okay, not the most eloquent post.
What I want to say is...
You said earlier that my use of meta was suspicious because I dislike meta.
You then post two quotes of me contradicting myself about meta.
You are now trying to say that you WEREN'T intending that as a scum point against me.
??? does my post say "lol scum"? sry i didnt post a at the end
See my earlier point about stirring the pot, you sarcastic fuck you.
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I've made my point. Does it not make sense? O.o
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