[M][N] I'm a Cop You Idiot Mafia -- Town's Revenge

On February 10 2017 07:23 LightningStrike wrote:
With that being said idk if it makes palmar scum or trying to bait a shot on him instead the real cop (me).

On February 10 2017 07:27 LightningStrike wrote:

Well it night 0 I going to check him.

On February 11 2017 09:29 Palmar wrote:
Hi I checked Rels he came back green

On February 12 2017 22:32 Damdred wrote:
Yeah I was just busy yesterday or I would of posted more.

Like to me the game is really simple, I think LS is just town. I think as scum he would of caved to me badgering him with all of my questions about the doc claim but he just stubbornly kept his no opinion that he did before. I really think as scum he would of just caved at that point and given me what I wanted.

Rels is confirmed town and green.

So basically the game boils down to Rit vs Mal for me and i'm pretty sure my meta read is still accurate on Rit.

Mal has been pretty anti-town and seemingly mafia oriented this game. His doc claim was never going to draw a shot especially if Palmar was scum. It felt more like him trying to draw a CC early in the game and just go with that. He keeps soft scum reading me without any real explanation and just name dropping me he started that n0 with no real explanation. His latest posts not giving any information are still horrid. And then his rescinded claim was just as bad only after direct pressure and people saying they didnt' believe him did he take it back.

Hes the 2nd scum. And in either case if LS/Palmar can get a second check tonight the game is over anyway.

On February 13 2017 01:37 Damdred wrote:
I don't know rels.

If we let them both get a check tonight and make Palmar go first we get double the information really, he won't have the opportunity to copy ls really.

And more than likely the game won't be full of idiots by the time Palmar v ls happens.

On February 13 2017 03:50 Malongo wrote:
I just realized that if Palmar is real DT we just fucked up rels. Mmmm.

On February 14 2017 07:10 LightningStrike wrote:

I defintely feel like a no-lynch so Ican get 1 more check off and check either ritoky or Damdred.

On February 14 2017 07:13 ritoky wrote:
Why the hell would we sleep again? I am just going to die, flip doctor, and he will red check damd. We will have dual reds on damd, and you'll be at the same place minus a conf blue.

On February 14 2017 07:14 ritoky wrote:
I literally claimed doctor who saved you last night rels....lulwut?

On February 14 2017 07:16 ritoky wrote:


"Damdred, claim doc, the other mafia will have to cc you." lulwut?

On February 14 2017 07:17 ritoky wrote:
I am never rescinding. I can dig up the proof from my filter if anyone wants to knife fight me.

On February 14 2017 07:29 Rels wrote:
Game might be over mathematically. Boring. Let me check that

On February 14 2017 07:32 Palmar wrote:
I reserve the right for ritoky to be making a superb play and claiming doc when it's really malongo all along.

On February 14 2017 18:11 Palmar wrote:

You are so bad

On February 12 2017 22:32 Damdred wrote:
Yeah I was just busy yesterday or I would of posted more.

Like to me the game is really simple, I think LS is just town. I think as scum he would of caved to me badgering him with all of my questions about the doc claim but he just stubbornly kept his no opinion that he did before. I really think as scum he would of just caved at that point and given me what I wanted.

Rels is confirmed town and green.

So basically the game boils down to Rit vs Mal for me and i'm pretty sure my meta read is still accurate on Rit.

Mal has been pretty anti-town and seemingly mafia oriented this game. His doc claim was never going to draw a shot especially if Palmar was scum. It felt more like him trying to draw a CC early in the game and just go with that. He keeps soft scum reading me without any real explanation and just name dropping me he started that n0 with no real explanation. His latest posts not giving any information are still horrid. And then his rescinded claim was just as bad only after direct pressure and people saying they didnt' believe him did he take it back.

Hes the 2nd scum. And in either case if LS/Palmar can get a second check tonight the game is over anyway.

On February 13 2017 04:17 Damdred wrote:
That's an interesting swing from malongo. Puts Palmar one from lynch then moved to no lynch.

Idk the whole sequence has me uneasy, like hints that he knows Palmar is red with his little hint hint thing but then instantly backs off because he could be the real dt.

I'm fact the read progression doesn't make any sense, he starts at Palmar has to be the cop over ls because of his bad posts. Gates both checked rels and then bites Palmar and almost iinstantly unvotes.

I can only see mafia motivation in that.

I know you want to lynch Palmar today rels but I think the correct play is to lynch malongo today. Then finish the game with Palmar v ls.

##vote malongo

And as for your early question rels I think it's 99%. And if mal is scum I think their is no doubt it's palmar. So join me on this one.

On February 10 2017 07:43 Palmar wrote:
Fun metagame too, what 2 man team makes LS cc?

On February 10 2017 08:59 ritoky wrote:


"I don't like that Palmar guy. Everything he said seemed pre-meditated, and people who tend to think of all that junk ahead of time are hiding stuff. But he also sounds smart, and smart people make sense. So I don't know, he wrote a bunch of stuff that is probably all factually correct; but can't anyone do that if they're as smart as him anyway?"

"Oh wow, that Lightning guy seems genuinely excited that he did something and wants everyone to notice him....Oh wait now he's whining...I don't like whiners, can you vote on him now?"

ritoky: I whine a lot

"Who said I liked you? Anyways I don't know he sounds weird. Why don't you just vote both of them off the island?"

ritoky: 1 of them has to be mafia and the other one town.

"But you can just vote them both off anyways right? Cuz then you get 1 for sure."

ritoky: From a procedural pov, you kinda can't.

"Well that's dumb, you should be able to. They both sound bad, I wouldn't agonize over it; I would just pick one without thinking too hard about it and if you lose oh well, just blame the person who got voted off for not being good."

On February 10 2017 22:29 Palmar wrote:

Neither should claim who they're checking because mafia will prefer shooting the person checked if he is town. I kinda don't wanna explain more until after daybreak (you can remind me to explain on d1), but please just trust me that it's optimal to not announce my check.

On February 13 2017 23:44 Palmar wrote:
I actually was gonna check someone else but changed my mind because I felt like I was being paranoid. Not gonna reveal who until day 2. But you will understand my reasoning once I tell you.

On February 14 2017 19:53 ritoky wrote:


I mean...not really. Lynching damdred who is conf scum will result in my immediate death since mafia won't risk leaving a conf medic alive cuz of save potential. So technically lynching damdred exempts me from having to choose, but I understand your general point. Some of it is under the assumption that palmar is 100% mafia though, because in the world where Palmar is town the game is literally over.

On February 14 2017 19:56 ritoky wrote:


Your post about LS checking between me and damd is under that assumption though. Because in the world where we lynch LS and get it right, Palmar already has his red check.

On February 14 2017 19:58 ritoky wrote:
Semantics though, like I said I understand your general point and how there is upside to lynching into the cops since the game will eventually (whether this phase or a subsequent one) be determined by that decision. And while I agree that there is some upside to that, I think that I am very clearly and demonstrably the medic; thus making damdred mafia in all worlds so I would prefer to take the guaranteed mafia even if it has slightly lower upside.

On February 14 2017 20:15 ritoky wrote:
look if you and malongo agree on wanting to make the cop decision today, then i will suck it up and respect the conf town wishes and make the decision today, since you two would be making it the following phase anyway if i got my way.

On February 13 2017 04:19 Rels wrote:
lol if you think Palamr is 99% mafia we lynch Palmar. I'm way less confident on the other dude. Even more though knowing than if we're right tomorrow we have doc claim + another check.

On February 13 2017 04:26 Damdred wrote:
If that's what we are relying on though we should no lunch then.

The night kill will be more interesting with Palm/lls alive since they can't kill the cop without saccing and the doc should probably protect you and then we have a kill between ritoky and me. Then the real cop checks mal me or rit.

So more than likely the game is over with a no lynch here to.

Idk just seems simple like that. Doc claims, good report checks. Game is over. And really what if I'm wrong on ls even if this is the 1% he's emulating really well and one ml and a lose I think.

On February 13 2017 04:17 Damdred wrote:
That's an interesting swing from malongo. Puts Palmar one from lynch then moved to no lynch.

Idk the whole sequence has me uneasy, like hints that he knows Palmar is red with his little hint hint thing but then instantly backs off because he could be the real dt.

I'm fact the read progression doesn't make any sense, he starts at Palmar has to be the cop over ls because of his bad posts. Gates both checked rels and then bites Palmar and almost iinstantly unvotes.

I can only see mafia motivation in that.

I know you want to lynch Palmar today rels but I think the correct play is to lynch malongo today. Then finish the game with Palmar v ls.

##vote malongo

And as for your early question rels I think it's 99%. And if mal is scum I think their is no doubt it's palmar. So join me on this one.

On February 14 2017 21:41 Palmar wrote:
Like your argument is "Damdred acts like scum, therefore Palmar must be scum"

It's just.. ?????

On February 14 2017 21:46 Malongo wrote:

I´m here buddy, I`ve read the thread a few times and thinking.

On February 14 2017 21:55 Malongo wrote:
Palmar-Damdred: unlikely unless Palmar is sacking his team. It doesn´t make much sense considering that lynching Damdred today would put us 5 vs1, night 4vs1, lynch LS 3vs1, night 2 vs 1 and the last 2 players lynch Palmar anyways.

On February 14 2017 22:25 Malongo wrote:

Ok I agree, on the first part, lets lynch a cop because it fits the game tittle.

No on the second part for now. Lets lynch LS and his poor DT counter.

How sure are you about Palmar?

On February 14 2017 22:35 Malongo wrote:

yeah but the same goes if Palmar is. We are not going too fast.

On February 14 2017 23:27 Palmar wrote:
well it doesn't confirm me, but the point is, they need to convince ANOTHER townie and then they can hammer. Your vote alone is not enough for them.

On February 14 2017 23:34 Malongo wrote:
Actually the most important votes are ritoky/damdred here, because it is obvious that Palmar and LS will vote eachother.

On February 15 2017 01:24 Damdred wrote:
##Vote Palmar

Palmar and Ritoky not the team I thought originaly but the only one it can be .

On February 15 2017 01:42 Palmar wrote:
sooo Rels, if ritoky comes back to the thread he's confirmed town to you too because otherwise he'd just hammer me. actually malongo is too now.

literally both malongo and ritoky can win the game right here if they're mafia by hammering me (3 votes on me), so they're both confirmed town

Everyone is confirmed town, LS and damdred team

On February 15 2017 01:45 Palmar wrote:

this is suicide because there is no way mafia would know ritoky was gonna claim doc. If mafia buses partner with doc and cop alive, mafia loses outright because the doc can guarantee one more check even if the cop doesn't hit red like I did.

On February 15 2017 01:52 Palmar wrote:
Rels, if it's 3v3 and nothing happens, are you going to let it no-lynch? Because you know that's retarded, right?

On February 15 2017 02:04 Malongo wrote:
but we need ritokys vote first anyways.

On February 15 2017 02:07 Damdred wrote:
Ritoky has to vote Palmar to not out himself as mafia at this point in the hopes of going 1 v 1 against me. So if you are siding with me mal hammer Palmar and we can finish this.

On February 15 2017 02:13 Damdred wrote:
It isn't risky though thats the joy of IML, we get to see a flip when we want and it doesnt matter we can talk me vs ritoky during the night time.

Just do it and lets get on with it.

On February 15 2017 02:30 Damdred wrote:


And just ignoring me for bs wifom when the whole game of mafia is nothing but wifom is rude and inconsiderate. Nothing really anyone has posted makes me scum at all, i'm confirmed town doctor if i had been able to be here at start of day I was planning on revealing anyway.

Valentines day plans just kept m away rip, but the authentic ramen was amazing.

On December 04 2015 22:05 Palmar wrote:

Dude...

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10890802
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10936906

I'm literally the goddamn prophet of "if you get lynched it's your own damn fault". That ties very well into what I was saying earlier about why I should never be vigged.

On February 10 2017 07:23 LightningStrike wrote:
With that being said idk if it makes palmar scum or trying to bait a shot on him instead the real cop (me).

On February 10 2017 07:29 LightningStrike wrote:

Fine but I wanted to make sure he's scum 100%

On February 11 2017 08:23 LightningStrike wrote:

Well there is a chance you are scum though. Maybe I should check Damdred if we end up not lynching anyone today.

On February 12 2017 22:32 Damdred wrote:
Yeah I was just busy yesterday or I would of posted more.

Like to me the game is really simple, I think LS is just town. I think as scum he would of caved to me badgering him with all of my questions about the doc claim but he just stubbornly kept his no opinion that he did before. I really think as scum he would of just caved at that point and given me what I wanted.

Rels is confirmed town and green.

So basically the game boils down to Rit vs Mal for me and i'm pretty sure my meta read is still accurate on Rit.

Mal has been pretty anti-town and seemingly mafia oriented this game. His doc claim was never going to draw a shot especially if Palmar was scum. It felt more like him trying to draw a CC early in the game and just go with that. He keeps soft scum reading me without any real explanation and just name dropping me he started that n0 with no real explanation. His latest posts not giving any information are still horrid. And then his rescinded claim was just as bad only after direct pressure and people saying they didnt' believe him did he take it back.

Hes the 2nd scum. And in either case if LS/Palmar can get a second check tonight the game is over anyway.

On February 13 2017 04:17 Damdred wrote:
That's an interesting swing from malongo. Puts Palmar one from lynch then moved to no lynch.

Idk the whole sequence has me uneasy, like hints that he knows Palmar is red with his little hint hint thing but then instantly backs off because he could be the real dt.

I'm fact the read progression doesn't make any sense, he starts at Palmar has to be the cop over ls because of his bad posts. Gates both checked rels and then bites Palmar and almost iinstantly unvotes.

I can only see mafia motivation in that.

I know you want to lynch Palmar today rels but I think the correct play is to lynch malongo today. Then finish the game with Palmar v ls.

##vote malongo

And as for your early question rels I think it's 99%. And if mal is scum I think their is no doubt it's palmar. So join me on this one.

On February 13 2017 04:26 Damdred wrote:
If that's what we are relying on though we should no lunch then.

The night kill will be more interesting with Palm/lls alive since they can't kill the cop without saccing and the doc should probably protect you and then we have a kill between ritoky and me. Then the real cop checks mal me or rit.

So more than likely the game is over with a no lynch here to.

Idk just seems simple like that. Doc claims, good report checks. Game is over. And really what if I'm wrong on ls even if this is the 1% he's emulating really well and one ml and a lose I think.

On February 15 2017 04:40 Damdred wrote:
I really hate you giving incorrect meta thats obviously changed rels.

I barely ever bus anymore :'(. really have changed that facet of my game meh.

On February 15 2017 05:58 ritoky wrote:
I am super confused, but happy. Why would damdred vote his partner, that's just effectively conceding....w/e there's no real discussion to be had anymore. I am protecting LS, he will green check me or red check you, either way the game is over.

On February 15 2017 06:00 ritoky wrote:
It's not wifom, it's the truth. You'll see in 24 hours or less. My claim will stand through checks.

On February 15 2017 02:07 Damdred wrote:
Ritoky has to vote Palmar to not out himself as mafia at this point in the hopes of going 1 v 1 against me. So if you are siding with me mal hammer Palmar and we can finish this.

On February 15 2017 06:02 ritoky wrote:
It can't really be WIFOM though in the current gamestate. There's no discussion the following day if you leave the cop and medic alive. The game quite simply just ends because it is fully solved. I understand in a game-state where there's actual wiggle room to talk your way out, but that isn't this game.

On February 15 2017 06:05 ritoky wrote:
I would be very frustrated if I were palmar though. I hate it when you put tons of effort into a 1v1 scenario, the other guy doesn't do much of anything, and everyone TRs him for effectively "dumb" reasons.

On February 15 2017 06:08 ritoky wrote:
Also if you're still reading this, mb vivax, I almost switched the prot onto you. Talked myself down from it though.

On February 15 2017 06:12 ritoky wrote:


Well that's the quality of the posts lacking, not the effort level. Plus I have been on the other side trying to scream people out of their LS reads before. It is a very dumb experience. To me, people just seem to arbitrarily take some tiny thing and make up their mind without ever reconsidering when it comes to him (and rsoul to a degree); even if they get burned they still do it again the following game.

On February 14 2017 23:47 Palmar wrote:
When France sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems to us. They're bringing bad. They're bringing wrong. They're stubborn.

On February 14 2017 19:49 Palmar wrote:

you are retarded.

I didn't want to talk about the cop options on n1 because of several reasons:

I did not want a cross-check with scum (which I ended up getting anyway)
I did not want the scum to shoot my check
I did not want scum to panic and go for a big play (try to hope the doc is retarded and didn't protect me) on n1 if I announced I was checking scum
I was hoping LS might fuck up and check me (yes, this has happened, more than once in this setup. Mafia claims cop, then claims to check the real cop "to be sure").

On February 10 2017 07:37 Palmar wrote:

Jesus please

I cannot be town because I am not retarded enough to fake claim cop as town, it's terrible to do so.

Which brings me to, if this is a stunt, and you're trying to give me a hint that you're actually fake claiming by talking about it, just retract, because it's 100% useless to fake cop as town in this setup. So if you somehow are town and thought it was a good idea, stop RIGHT NOW. I cba dealing with a more complex game than I have to.

On February 15 2017 07:39 Damdred wrote:
And I should I just voted Palmar yesterday I would of had slightly more of a chance. And I knew for was doctor really early I should of pressed for that kill but meh.

On February 15 2017 06:25 Rels wrote:

Wow I didn't got it but this is another scumtell right there. He absolutely didn't "hope LS might get fucked and check me" 'cause he tutored LS about him being scum in his POV:

And more importantly. THAT DOESNT MAKE SENSE. So what if scum!LS "checks" Palmar ? That doesn't make him any scummier or townier, it's just a super bad check. So he's talking about making LS "waste" a check, but since in his POV LS is scum, there is no check to waste

On February 15 2017 18:55 Palmar wrote:
1) Rels, LS and Damdred (1 town, 2 mafia, vote Palmar)
2) Palmar convinces ritoky and malongo to vote LS (3 town votes)
3) Stalemate
4) Rels comes to the conclusion (without me convincing him) that one side must have 2 mafia, or otherwise the game ends.
5) Rels needs to make up his mind between the two possible mafia teams (palmar + ritoky) or (ls + damdred). This situation also confirms me town to ritoky.

So no, all I had to do was convince ritoky and malongo I was town, that would always lead to rels having to re-evaluate without me having to do anything to really sway him.