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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 19 2017 16:33 GMT
#1261
On January 20 2017 01:14 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2017 01:09 Onegu wrote:
On January 20 2017 01:06 Vivax wrote:
On January 20 2017 00:59 Onegu wrote:
On January 20 2017 00:09 Vivax wrote:
Why are you so sure that HF is town?



Im not but I think hapa looks worse than HF at this point. And I would lynch hapa over HF here. I also doubt they are a scum team together. There was enough lynch bait in this game they didnt need to do so...


I don't understand the last sentence, what did they not need to do?

And why does Hapa look worse?




Wouldnt need to bus each other with the ammount of lynchbait.


And Feels.


This is so extremely naive I don't even know



Yet it is true.
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22298 Posts
January 19 2017 16:34 GMT
#1262
On January 20 2017 01:33 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2017 01:14 Vivax wrote:
On January 20 2017 01:09 Onegu wrote:
On January 20 2017 01:06 Vivax wrote:
On January 20 2017 00:59 Onegu wrote:
On January 20 2017 00:09 Vivax wrote:
Why are you so sure that HF is town?



Im not but I think hapa looks worse than HF at this point. And I would lynch hapa over HF here. I also doubt they are a scum team together. There was enough lynch bait in this game they didnt need to do so...


I don't understand the last sentence, what did they not need to do?

And why does Hapa look worse?




Wouldnt need to bus each other with the ammount of lynchbait.


And Feels.


This is so extremely naive I don't even know



Yet it is true.


No it's wifom.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22298 Posts
January 19 2017 16:36 GMT
#1263
It's also funny for you to say after BH was the most vocal about lynching you in a game where he didn't have to.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22298 Posts
January 19 2017 16:38 GMT
#1264
##Vote Onegu



I'm not scumreading you I'm just putting you into my lynch category
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 19 2017 17:14 GMT
#1265
The more I read this game, the more I think town just wins if we lynch into Onegu, HF, Damdred.

Damdred being my "margin of error" read. Onegu/HF being my top two scumreads.

##Unvote
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 19 2017 17:22 GMT
#1266
HF because he has a lot of activity but isn't pushing the game anywhere. The only thing I remember him really "leading" this game is his vote on Damdred early day 1. Other than that, he followed Vivax on his Damdred pressure, followed me on my pressure of Vivax, followed me again on my pressure on Slam with this:
On January 18 2017 12:29 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 12:26 Hapahauli wrote:
First post was 30 minutes out from deadline.

Next two posts were 15-10 or so.

Anyway here are the series of posts he has at deadline. Keep in mind the first post (particularly the underlined/bolded part) as you read the rest of it.
On January 18 2017 00:58 Alakaslam wrote:
I have caught up and. Prices something earlier, that coupled with recent events makes Rels town.

I will invite-

However, if HF flips green we have to lynch Hapa. I think this is just a terrible idea day1.

But ultimately, I'd rather lose HF than Hapa. HF is not the best player here, he is the other of the greats.

I will not lynch him today. If you all do that fine, I will find who I think is scum.

On January 18 2017 01:03 Alakaslam wrote:
On January 18 2017 00:59 Vivax wrote:
On January 18 2017 00:58 Alakaslam wrote:
I have caught up and. Prices something earlier, that coupled with recent events makes Rels town.

I will invite-

However, if HF flips green we have to lynch Hapa. I think this is just a terrible idea day1.

But ultimately, I'd rather lose HF than Hapa. HF is not the best player here, he is the other of the greats.

I will not lynch him today. If you all do that fine, I will find who I think is scum.


That's nonsense. If HF flips green it doesn't automatically point you to another lynch.

Pretty selfish of you to act that way, too. Maybe remember others like to play this game more seriously than you do?

This is actually serious play. It's selfish to work within my own means rather than just sheep? Please tell me why; it would take far less effort to go "whoooo let's lynch HF"

Like isn't that what I'd usually do anyway? Your reaction is confusing me big time:

On January 18 2017 01:06 Alakaslam wrote:
The reason is that if Hapa is scum and he is lynching Holyflare, he will dominate. End of story.

But we would have to wait for him to survive night

I just realized this is more wifom then I had thought. Vivax is right.

Dammit I hate this situation so bad

On January 18 2017 01:08 Alakaslam wrote:
On January 18 2017 01:05 Vivax wrote:
On January 18 2017 01:03 Alakaslam wrote:
On January 18 2017 00:59 Vivax wrote:
On January 18 2017 00:58 Alakaslam wrote:
I have caught up and. Prices something earlier, that coupled with recent events makes Rels town.

I will invite-

However, if HF flips green we have to lynch Hapa. I think this is just a terrible idea day1.

But ultimately, I'd rather lose HF than Hapa. HF is not the best player here, he is the other of the greats.

I will not lynch him today. If you all do that fine, I will find who I think is scum.


That's nonsense. If HF flips green it doesn't automatically point you to another lynch.

Pretty selfish of you to act that way, too. Maybe remember others like to play this game more seriously than you do?

This is actually serious play. It's selfish to work within my own means rather than just sheep? Please tell me why; it would take far less effort to go "whoooo let's lynch HF"

Like isn't that what I'd usually do anyway? Your reaction is confusing me big time:


It's selfish to risk a no lynch, is what I mean. You can scumhunt on your own disregarding our opinions all you like but please slam, don't let us slide into a no lynch. What you wrote sounds like you will waste your vote if it suits you.

Aaand I forgot it was this type.

If HF is the only wagon, and needs a vote to be lynched, I will hammer.

On January 18 2017 01:12 Alakaslam wrote:
On January 18 2017 01:09 Vivax wrote:
On January 18 2017 01:06 Alakaslam wrote:
The reason is that if Hapa is scum and he is lynching Holyflare, he will dominate. End of story.

But we would have to wait for him to survive night

I just realized this is more wifom then I had thought. Vivax is right.

Dammit I hate this situation so bad


What do you think of Damdred? I think both him and HF have an equal shot at flipping mafia but I have to make compromises if we want to lynch, so right now I don't have a preference for HF, but others do.

TBH I struggle to read Damdred. He was most active during a time when I was inactive, then left the site on my return.

I mostly read by meta tbh.the capability I have for logic other than on-the-spot is pretty time consuming, and I just don't have it.

On January 18 2017 01:13 Alakaslam wrote:
I would far rather lynch Damdred but in majority I have to compromise to get a lynch.


He makes a bunch of posts, he's clearly active. Does it look to you like he's trying to find mafia (as he said he would early on)? He just waffles around, posts a bunch, does nothing, and arrives at the conclusion that he'd support a Damdred lynch despite having misgivings on Damdred.

That's not scumhunting.


Well that's different. You only linked 2 posts before, pretty much the same as onegu but more waffle. Would lynch.


He's also being really, really thick about certain things, and I don't think OMGUS explains all of that away.

Lastly, I think Rels really hit the nail on the head here:
On January 19 2017 01:26 Rels wrote:
leaving work. I've said what I think. Only thing new is that HF seems prone to try and shitfight while claiming he wanna end the fight. Maybe.
See you tomorrow if I'm alive


Each is probably individually excusable. All together points to mafia HF IMO.
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22298 Posts
January 19 2017 17:25 GMT
#1267
Hapa what's your opinion of this game so far.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 19 2017 17:26 GMT
#1268
Damdred I think is with my margin of error. I do have that "genuine thought process" read on him, but his EoD does look very very bad. Bad enough to reconsider things. Margin for error here because he could just be legit inactive.

Onegu is lynchbaity I guess, but I also feel he's pushing mafia objectives. He's active but not contributing. His Rels case was pretty shit.
On January 19 2017 23:45 Onegu wrote:
Damdreds read flip on LS, and then Rels death.

##Vote: Damdred.


Him voting Damdred currently for these reasons is pretty silly. I don't' care how LS and Damdred pitched it - getting a read wrong does not make someone mafia. Also, Rels' death equally implicates Onegu.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 19 2017 17:28 GMT
#1269
On January 20 2017 02:26 Hapahauli wrote:
Damdred I think is with my margin of error. I do have that "genuine thought process" read on him, but his EoD does look very very bad. Bad enough to reconsider things. Margin for error here because he could just be legit inactive.

Onegu is lynchbaity I guess, but I also feel he's pushing mafia objectives. He's active but not contributing. His Rels case was pretty shit.
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2017 23:45 Onegu wrote:
Damdreds read flip on LS, and then Rels death.

##Vote: Damdred.


Him voting Damdred currently for these reasons is pretty silly. I don't' care how LS and Damdred pitched it - getting a read wrong does not make someone mafia. Also, Rels' death equally implicates Onegu.



First part his flip when he is supposed to be the LS meta master where he town reads him hard then flips fast toward eod to lynch him. And yes but I am vt therefore makes Damdred look worse.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 19 2017 17:31 GMT
#1270
On January 20 2017 02:25 Vivax wrote:
Hapa what's your opinion of this game so far.


I'm pretty confident you're town.

I'm reasonably confident Bill Murray is town.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/517873-liquidmania-qualifier-2?page=59#1180
Posts like these show a very good thought process. He seems to be invested in the game and caring what happens.

My gut is screaming that I was wrong on my Slam read. I've been going over his scum-games for the past hour, and they feel very different. His emotions are very simplistic in those - either outright trolling or calling someone mafia. He's much more nuanced here. Also his travel schedule and inactivity basically explains all his actions. Hard to find mafia when you have to filter on a phone.
Also the idea that Slam finishes D1 without voting looks like he's not overly concerned with covering his tracks. Not hard to just drop a vote on Damdred or HF or someone at EoD if you're mafia to look good.

That leaves the other three above.

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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 19 2017 17:32 GMT
#1271
That all being said, I need to have a nice chat with Slam first to confirm my feelings.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 19 2017 17:33 GMT
#1272
Whaddya think Vivax?
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22298 Posts
January 19 2017 17:35 GMT
#1273
On January 20 2017 02:31 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2017 02:25 Vivax wrote:
Hapa what's your opinion of this game so far.


I'm pretty confident you're town.

I'm reasonably confident Bill Murray is town.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/517873-liquidmania-qualifier-2?page=59#1180
Posts like these show a very good thought process. He seems to be invested in the game and caring what happens.

My gut is screaming that I was wrong on my Slam read. I've been going over his scum-games for the past hour, and they feel very different. His emotions are very simplistic in those - either outright trolling or calling someone mafia. He's much more nuanced here. Also his travel schedule and inactivity basically explains all his actions. Hard to find mafia when you have to filter on a phone.
Also the idea that Slam finishes D1 without voting looks like he's not overly concerned with covering his tracks. Not hard to just drop a vote on Damdred or HF or someone at EoD if you're mafia to look good.

That leaves the other three above.



You know, the big shiny posts don't a town make. You don't see what I see, you only see what you have to do in order to win the game for your faction, and that gives you away.

I currently believe this game is a shitshow.

Damdred is MIA and I'm starting to believe for good reason cause he's a good hearted guy. Only you and HF -the scum- play this game like it's supposed to be played.

Slam comes in shouting Gollum gollum, Onegu probably didn't read 90 % of the game and just does his thing, but doesn't take the game seriously, I applaude him for trying to though.

BM also probably just skimmed some shit and does his thing a bit like 1gu.

And all of this never affects you emotionally in your posts and that's a giveaway.

But whatever. This isn't a championship game, it's a fucking farce. I'm tilted and I'm not hiding it. I just now know EXACTLY how rayn felt when he quit the forum.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22298 Posts
January 19 2017 17:37 GMT
#1274
All I do past this point can be either a pretense that I care, or just me blatantly not caring. Nobody is going to read your posts, nobody is going to evaluate past his own prejudiced shitty standards.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22298 Posts
January 19 2017 17:38 GMT
#1275
I like to think that the only reason you and HF left me alive is so you could even have somebody to talk with like we're supposed to in the game cause that's what you expected when you signed up, and that's fucking sad that I even have to think that.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 19 2017 17:42 GMT
#1276
On January 20 2017 02:35 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2017 02:31 Hapahauli wrote:
On January 20 2017 02:25 Vivax wrote:
Hapa what's your opinion of this game so far.


I'm pretty confident you're town.

I'm reasonably confident Bill Murray is town.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/517873-liquidmania-qualifier-2?page=59#1180
Posts like these show a very good thought process. He seems to be invested in the game and caring what happens.

My gut is screaming that I was wrong on my Slam read. I've been going over his scum-games for the past hour, and they feel very different. His emotions are very simplistic in those - either outright trolling or calling someone mafia. He's much more nuanced here. Also his travel schedule and inactivity basically explains all his actions. Hard to find mafia when you have to filter on a phone.
Also the idea that Slam finishes D1 without voting looks like he's not overly concerned with covering his tracks. Not hard to just drop a vote on Damdred or HF or someone at EoD if you're mafia to look good.

That leaves the other three above.



You know, the big shiny posts don't a town make. You don't see what I see, you only see what you have to do in order to win the game for your faction, and that gives you away.

I currently believe this game is a shitshow.

Damdred is MIA and I'm starting to believe for good reason cause he's a good hearted guy. Only you and HF -the scum- play this game like it's supposed to be played.

Slam comes in shouting Gollum gollum, Onegu probably didn't read 90 % of the game and just does his thing, but doesn't take the game seriously, I applaude him for trying to though.

BM also probably just skimmed some shit and does his thing a bit like 1gu.

And all of this never affects you emotionally in your posts and that's a giveaway.

But whatever. This isn't a championship game, it's a fucking farce. I'm tilted and I'm not hiding it. I just now know EXACTLY how rayn felt when he quit the forum.



Rayn is Rayn and has been for years... I have read the entire thread. And I have always done my own thing. Honestly your anger this game is what is putting me off on you.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 19 2017 17:43 GMT
#1277
Like you told someone fuck you. And your posts have been all really aggressive and I just am not that used to that from you. Yes we havent played that many game together but doesnt seem like you. Maybe I am wrong.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 19 2017 17:47 GMT
#1278
What am I even supposed to answer in those posts Vivax? It seems like you want to read me as mafia because it'll make you feel better about the game. I can't argue against that feeling.

I have the information that I have, and I do the best with what I have. I agree the game is a shitshow. At the same time, it is 10000x better than D1, so for that I'm hopeful.

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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22298 Posts
January 19 2017 17:50 GMT
#1279
On January 20 2017 02:43 Onegu wrote:
Like you told someone fuck you. And your posts have been all really aggressive and I just am not that used to that from you. Yes we havent played that many game together but doesnt seem like you. Maybe I am wrong.


I literally have no idea why you have fun playing mafia onegu. You just don't seem the type. I believe you just like feeling like you are in company. But others look for thrills, good or bad and I'm one of them. So when you see me cursing at HF and HF gnawing at my patience, I can guarantee you that I'm actually having fun, at the very least in retrospect.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 19 2017 17:53 GMT
#1280
I'll talk with you if you allow me to. I'm not going to fight with someone I think is town.

If you step back and take a look at my filter, it should be pretty clear that I am too. You should have in-depth experience with how I play mafia. Do you remember this?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/392955-dessert-mini-mafia?page=109
https://www.quicktopic.com/49/H/XzeY3JALfAC

You caught me dead to rights in Dessert Mini Mafia D1 in the Obs QT. Does my play look remotely like htat?
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