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On January 17 2017 22:36 Vivax wrote: Since when is considered having no scumreads or not trying to find scum in general considered townie? Cause that's what Damdred looks like to me and Hapa said something similar at the very least and you know, he is right too. I challenge you to find me anything resembling a scumread in Damdreds filter if you decide not to vote him off. And HF telling me what your perspective in general was doesn't excuse that what you said about Damdreds read on LS not only misses the point of what Hapa accused him off, but also tries to argue that Damdred is town cause as mafia he doesn't townread LS. What kind of reasoning is that??? If having scumreads is considered scummy, then that's how Hapa was the majority of the game. Having no scumreads means nothing. Not looking for scum is scummy. Damdred is doing it in his own way - by crossing people off a lynch list before POEing the lynch. And that's how he ususally plays D1. | ||
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On January 17 2017 05:22 Vivax wrote: I feel better about Hapa, he posts very accurately and diligently which on its own wouldn't be AI but I get the feeling that it walks us through a legitimate thought process, so that's useful. nope | ||
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On January 17 2017 22:47 Vivax wrote: Did he tell you that? Cause he didn't say any of the sort iirc, are you his spokesperson now? It just doesn't make sense to me how you can't be even suspicious of him in the slightest. At the very least as town he puts out a few possibilities for people to be scum, maybe adding that he won't lynch them D1 like he does with me almost all the time. But HE DOES have reads, and doesn't just kind of exist alongside us. I read his filter and saw that. The uneasiness, the townreads, the doubts about Hapa. It could be fake, I'm not hardtownreading him. But it is there. | ||
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On January 17 2017 22:48 Hapahauli wrote: On Slam I don't think this makes him mafia. I spent a lot of time meta-ing him last night in drawing the conclusion that I did to vote Holyflare. His two most recent scum-games are Outlaw Mini and Mini Down Under 3. The former is quite useful, the latter he never really has any activity (and therefore not much to draw from it). http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/500627-outlaw-mini-mafia?user=Alakaslam Mafia Slam in "Outlaw" is very Bipolar. He has two moods: "TROLLY CHUZPAZI" (or however you pronounce that) and one-lined jabs at people calling them suspicious or mafia. There's actually very little emotionally in the middle of those two "modes". You'll notice he's perfectly capable of calling people suspicious and having reads as mafia. His town games are noticeably different. He has a lot of moments of introspection, self-awareness, good humor, and even "coaching" other players. I see a lot more of town-Slam so far than mafia-Slam. First, as he said himself, this is an old game. If you wanna compare meta, do it with the game that just finished in which he was town. Second, I saw some posts that are similar in this filter and in this game. But that doesn't mean anything. OFC he's capable of "calling people suspicious and having reads as mafia". It's not that hard. That's not why I think he's scum. It's because nothing can be read under his posts. No thought process, no reads, no state of the game. He thinks that Hapa and HF are great players that shoudlnt be lynched D1 and that is it. | ||
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On January 17 2017 22:51 Vivax wrote: And Rels is in the room too of course. For its own reasons that 1gu also agreed with, not cause he's looking like he's pulling with HF on the same string, as tempting as that argumentation would be. What's your read on each other anyways? Town. Your reasons are bad. Onegu reasons are bad. Stop being bad. | ||
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On January 17 2017 22:55 Hapahauli wrote: Rels you're tunneled. Stop being bad. a) You took a quote from Rayn describing my play from a game where I was a 3rd party on day 1 when I was actively looking for mafia and for all purposes town. I got lynched in that game on Day 2 when my objectives changed and therefore I stopped giving a shit about the game. b) I don't think you realize just how bad my game is as mafia. I don't care about your attitude in that particular game. rayn quote described your general scum game, and described what I'm feeling about you in this particular game. On January 17 2017 22:55 Hapahauli wrote: c) "All of Hapa's stuff is forced" is just some neublous general observation that I can't even address because there isn't any clarity to it. What is forced? This is a game in which I'm trying whatever I can to get people to talk, and no shit something like that will sound forced and manufactured, because it is. Want examples ? OK. On January 16 2017 03:31 Hapahauli wrote: Bingo. I don't think that's tense though. It's a well-established part of my game to get people talking, even if I have to force the shit out of things. Explanation that don't come out of townie often. On January 16 2017 04:01 Hapahauli wrote: Sure. A town thought process is straightforward. I think "x" is mafia because "reasons." I think "post" is scummy because "reasons." This was not the thought process here. This isn't straightforward. You find what I was doing "sort of scummy", but immediately discredit your own observation by stating that "you're still ruminating." This very round-about thought process is scummy. This sounds logical but doesn't make anyone mafia. Typically the sort of things scum attakc people for. On January 16 2017 05:41 Hapahauli wrote: Yes. #1 #2 #2 is not a satisfying explanation of #1. It does not make much sense how HF can consider something "weird", yet "remarkably high level". Logical inconsistency that look good but don't make anyone scum. Again. On January 16 2017 08:40 Hapahauli wrote: Where did LightningStrike and Vivax go? What do you guys think about all of this? Shitty question. On January 17 2017 01:38 Hapahauli wrote: I need an explanation for some of your posts last night Damdred. 1) 2) 3) You make all three of these posts last night basically back to back to back. - In post 1, you say you are "partial" to people defending you, which implies that you liked my defense of you. You ultimately conclude that my posting was at the very least non-alignment indicative. - In post 2, merely 4 minutes later, this you call me mafia for the same reasons as in post 1. - In post 3, 20 minutes later, you talk about me a ton, but waffle between calling my actions scummy and calling them excusable. I don't understand this train of thought at all. Again. Inconsistency that look good 'cause it's logical but don't make people scum. On January 17 2017 01:41 Hapahauli wrote: @ Slam This is just a generalization. What posts in particular involve "reason"? Holyflare and Vivax posted a ton too - is there not "reason over emotion" in their filters? Pointless question. Nothing can come out of it that advances the game further. etc etc. All of your filter is filled with this. | ||
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On January 17 2017 23:01 Vivax wrote: Bad reasons are still better than no reason how the hell can you townread HF so confidently it's not like your first game on the site. And I just displayed twice or thrice how he made a nonsense argument on Hapa and you just overlook it. I don't townread HF confidelty. I think I'll never townread HF confidently 'cause he's a super good scum. He seems town for now though. The way he pressured Damdred at the beginning then stopped. The way he expressed having lots of people he wants to lynch. And he's seeing the same things I do on Hapa's filter. | ||
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On January 17 2017 23:10 Hapahauli wrote: Rels, I too can make a list of "shitty town reads" you have provided the thread and call you mafia. Your filter is "full of them." But that would make me a bad and superficial player. Nope. Wrong reads don't make people scum. Not really looking or scum make people scum. Not trying to solve the game for real make people scum. On January 17 2017 23:10 Hapahauli wrote: What you call "forced posting" is me being lost, and trying anything to get someone to talk in an inactive game. No shit that will sound forced. No shit the questions will not be pretty. That's what I feel about Damdred's filter. Not yours. On January 17 2017 23:10 Hapahauli wrote: Why don't you talk to me about my non-forced case on HolyFlare instead? I get the impression you're not actually paying attention to anything that me and Holyflare have actually been saying over the past 2 pages. I read your case. I talked about it. I feel the opposite. HF having "too many scumreads" and being lazy about them don't make him scum. I don't feel like he's faking it. | ||
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On January 17 2017 23:14 Hapahauli wrote: You realize that you're speaking about one of the better town players on this site, right? so ? I saw him act that way. He is usually lazy. In fact I think I never saw him tryhard D1 | ||
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On January 17 2017 05:14 Holyflare wrote: then there's Hapa who is seemingly calling out Onegu/damdred and even voting Damdred for EXACTLY what he was criticised of doing (having no reads, not pushing much) but Hapa doesn't acknowledge that LS has said that Damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia damdred: which I think I hate by far the most This is such a convulated read to have. | ||
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On January 17 2017 05:26 Holyflare wrote: I'm just gonna sit on damdred and see where it goes, it's majority shit lynch anyway. Why that vote ? Did you think LS was scum at that point ? | ||
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On January 17 2017 05:14 Holyflare wrote: then there's Hapa who is seemingly calling out Onegu/damdred and even voting Damdred for EXACTLY what he was criticised of doing (having no reads, not pushing much) but Hapa doesn't acknowledge that LS has said that Damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia damdred: which I think I hate by far the most This never comes back. It's a kinda weird thing to think, but I could accept town!HF taking that into account for solving the game. BUT IT NEVER COMES BACK. He votes Damdred after that. He talks about Damdred without talking about LS: On January 17 2017 20:08 Holyflare wrote: I voted damdred for all the reasons I outlined early in the game and never moved it off him. He hadn't done much since then and so leaving my vote on him wasn't a bad thing. Nothing has changed with Damdred to be honest but in my eyes I see equal (maybe leaning scummier) points for him being both mafia or town. It is the thing "he hates the most by far" and he's forgetting it afterwards. | ||
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On January 17 2017 23:33 Hapahauli wrote: This is HolyFlare's story: a) HF is suspicious of the entire thread. b) HF sees myself (hapa) and Vivax vote Damdred. c) HF is lazy, votes Damdred, and "sees where it goes." d) HF sees a case against him in the morning, attacks the player who made the case because he hated that player's vote on Damdred, despite HF having made the exact same vote?!?!? From HF himself: No that is not why HF is scum. HF having tons of scumreads and being lazy about them mean nothing. Absolutely nothing. But the thing Vivax posted is super damning on the other hand | ||
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