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Vivax I don't understand what you don't understand.
(1) I don't find LS townie at all.
(2) Damdred states he has a very good read on LS.
(3) Damdred states 3 reasons for LS to be town, all of which I find bad
Conclusion: I don't understand why Damdred finds LS townie. If Damdred is scum, LS is spewed town by that post where Damdred takes the time to write 3 reasons as to why LS is town
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On January 16 2017 22:13 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2017 22:09 Rels wrote:On January 16 2017 22:08 Vivax wrote:On January 16 2017 21:07 Rels wrote:
This seems like TMI. If Damdred is scum LS is spewed town On January 16 2017 22:04 Rels wrote:On January 16 2017 22:00 Vivax wrote:On January 16 2017 21:51 Rels wrote:On January 16 2017 21:44 Vivax wrote:On January 16 2017 21:37 Rels wrote:On January 16 2017 21:34 Vivax wrote:
Rels hold on a moment.
You go on to disagree with Damdred about these points making LS town.
Why immediately jump to the conclusion that it's TMI afterwards if you aren't sure that LS is town? I think LS could be scum. I find Damdred's reasons to townread LS bad. Damdred is supposed to have a god meta read on LS. So if Damdred is scum, he's using his god meta read as an excuse to just give a townread to someone he knows is town, even though it doesn't show in the thread. I still don't follow you. For one, god meta read is something I don't believe in. And next, I don't know why mafia! Damdred shouldn't have an interest in lynching town LS, or why it has to be an excuse. You could also have simply concluded that town! Damdred applied his god meta read here. Your reasoning doesn't convince me at all. I don't believe it's likely at all that mafia!Damdred will ever use his "god meta read" to try to mislynch LS. The fact that Damdred can read LS very well is a well known fact. I explained why I found Damdred's townread of LS bad. But I liked that he pressured LS on spitting out posts, instead of buddying him I'll let Damdred get back to that as I can't really remember if or when he mislynched town LS as mafia. If you believe that Damdred can read LS very well and treat is as a fact, then why say he spewed him town as mafia? That's the point that I still didn't see sufficiently answered, you would have to believe that you can read LS better than Damdred, and you would have to believe that LS IS town which you didn't seem to think when you posted that. My problem was that (1) I find LS scummy and (2) I find Damdred's reasonning pretty bad 'cause LS has proved he can do all of those things as scum. Usually Damdred's reasons to townread LS are more nebuleous feelings, especially D1. How can the bolded fit together? You would never jump to the conclusion that Damdred is mafia for spewing LS as town when you believe that LS is scummy. If I found LS townie I wouldn't have found Damdred's townread on him to be TMI. That doesn't make sense Rels. You said posthum that you found LS at the time scummy, that means the thought that Damdred should be suspected for spewing him as town should never have crossed your mind. Your reasoning would appear more credible if you believed them both to be mafia and that Damdred was covering LS with his god read.
Nope I don't think it's likely for scum!Damdred to make a list of reasons for scum!LS to be town. Too much spotlight if LS flips, when Damdred is known for his LS read.
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And at the time I didn't what LS scummy. I didn't think he did anything townie
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On January 16 2017 22:21 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2017 22:15 Rels wrote:On January 16 2017 22:13 Vivax wrote:On January 16 2017 22:09 Rels wrote:On January 16 2017 22:08 Vivax wrote:On January 16 2017 21:07 Rels wrote:
This seems like TMI. If Damdred is scum LS is spewed town On January 16 2017 22:04 Rels wrote:On January 16 2017 22:00 Vivax wrote:On January 16 2017 21:51 Rels wrote:On January 16 2017 21:44 Vivax wrote:On January 16 2017 21:37 Rels wrote:
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I think LS could be scum. I find Damdred's reasons to townread LS bad. Damdred is supposed to have a god meta read on LS. So if Damdred is scum, he's using his god meta read as an excuse to just give a townread to someone he knows is town, even though it doesn't show in the thread. I still don't follow you. For one, god meta read is something I don't believe in. And next, I don't know why mafia! Damdred shouldn't have an interest in lynching town LS, or why it has to be an excuse. You could also have simply concluded that town! Damdred applied his god meta read here. Your reasoning doesn't convince me at all. I don't believe it's likely at all that mafia!Damdred will ever use his "god meta read" to try to mislynch LS. The fact that Damdred can read LS very well is a well known fact. I explained why I found Damdred's townread of LS bad. But I liked that he pressured LS on spitting out posts, instead of buddying him I'll let Damdred get back to that as I can't really remember if or when he mislynched town LS as mafia. If you believe that Damdred can read LS very well and treat is as a fact, then why say he spewed him town as mafia? That's the point that I still didn't see sufficiently answered, you would have to believe that you can read LS better than Damdred, and you would have to believe that LS IS town which you didn't seem to think when you posted that. My problem was that (1) I find LS scummy and (2) I find Damdred's reasonning pretty bad 'cause LS has proved he can do all of those things as scum. Usually Damdred's reasons to townread LS are more nebuleous feelings, especially D1. How can the bolded fit together? You would never jump to the conclusion that Damdred is mafia for spewing LS as town when you believe that LS is scummy. If I found LS townie I wouldn't have found Damdred's townread on him to be TMI. That doesn't make sense Rels. You said posthum that you found LS at the time scummy, that means the thought that Damdred should be suspected for spewing him as town should never have crossed your mind. Your reasoning would appear more credible if you believed them both to be mafia and that Damdred was covering LS with his god read. Nope I don't think it's likely for scum!Damdred to make a list of reasons for scum!LS to be town. Too much spotlight if LS flips, when Damdred is known for his LS read. The one game I have in mind actually, they both hard defended each other. It's the one where they got all emotional, can't remember the name.
Millionaire. I was in that game and got fooled by both. That's why I don't think they'll hard defend each other ever again.
On January 16 2017 22:21 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2017 21:07 Rels wrote:
This seems like TMI. If Damdred is scum LS is spewed town Walk me around why you said this cause it's the one post that I don't see a townie making in the context where he believes that LS is scummy. When you made it you must have believed that Damdreds reasons are bad. If Damdreds reasons are bad, then Damdred can be scum, but LS can't be scum. But LS can be scum, so why mention TMI?
Cause that is what I thought. You' re beginning to annoy me. I already said everythiong I had to say:
If Damdred is scum I don't think he hard defends LS his partner.
If Damdred is scum I don't think he makes a list of bad reasons as to why his parnters is town.
If Damdred is scum I see why he makes a list of bad reasons as to why town!LS is town even though it doesn't really show in the thread yet;
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LS can you expand on why is Hapa / HF weird ?
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On January 16 2017 22:28 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2017 22:24 Rels wrote:
LS can you expand on why is Hapa / HF weird ? Something feels off like it doesn't seem Town vs Town especially how they were interacting with each other it feels forced somewhere and or how the arguments were presented.
But you started this thought at the time saying HF was being nitpicky. What makes you think Hapa could be the scum there ?
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On January 16 2017 22:31 Vivax wrote:
Basically Rels claims to believe really really strongly that Damdred would never defend LS when they're both scum, and that's his only reason for ever making that post about TMI.
Now I'm not 100 % sure if I should believe that cuz it seems fishy.
Yep basically. Not that early, and not with a kinda big post stating a bunch of reasons
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I really like your way of thinking though. Your read on me changed until you got to the thing that was bothering you
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On January 16 2017 22:34 Vivax wrote:And then this: Show nested quote +On January 16 2017 21:41 Rels wrote:
That's where I'm at, town to scum:
Vivax HF
Onegu Slam Damdred BM
LS Hapa Show nested quote +On January 16 2017 21:45 Rels wrote:On January 16 2017 08:46 LightningStrike wrote:On January 16 2017 08:40 Hapahauli wrote:
Where did LightningStrike and Vivax go? What do you guys think about all of this? I think Hf is being a bit nitpicky? That fight feels weird idk why honestly. On January 16 2017 09:23 LightningStrike wrote:On January 16 2017 09:09 Damdred wrote:On January 16 2017 08:46 LightningStrike wrote:On January 16 2017 08:40 Hapahauli wrote:
Where did LightningStrike and Vivax go? What do you guys think about all of this? I think Hf is being a bit nitpicky? That fight feels weird idk why honestly. But why weird ls? Which side is weird? Idk it just feels weird. Maybe HF's side? Idk man. I don't like these posts at all. The comments are bland. It's pretty different from a very similar situation where LS was town and had to post about a fight going on in the thread: On November 29 2016 23:07 LightningStrike wrote:
Something tells me there is a scum between NU and EC the tone between them don't seem exactly town on town. Call it a gut feeling nothing concrete about it. Don't think both would be mafia it doesn't feel like mafia on mafia talk especially since it not Shapelog bussing a teammate this early like he normally does (hint I think Shapelog is town this game). On November 30 2016 01:42 LightningStrike wrote:On November 30 2016 01:37 mahrgell wrote:On November 30 2016 01:31 LightningStrike wrote:On November 30 2016 01:22 Shapelog wrote:Now I have to write a paper >_< On November 29 2016 22:42 mahrgell wrote:
Grmpf... now I went through all filters... And somehow got left disappointed. All the people I would like to know more about have not posted lately... And the other half of players just tries to expand their filter size without contributing anything. Guess I just vote for policy killing almost everyone!
Guess I write a summary anyway... Maybe this helps me to order my thoughts better. So what, how are you going to make this happen? How are going to fix it? On November 29 2016 23:07 LightningStrike wrote:
Something tells me there is a scum between NU and EC the tone between them don't seem exactly town on town. Call it a gut feeling nothing concrete about it. Don't think both would be mafia it doesn't feel like mafia on mafia talk especially since it not Shapelog bussing a teammate this early like he normally does (hint I think Shapelog is town this game). Can you explain this more if you can? It hard to explain but it a gut feeling on tone between EC and NU it doesn't feel town on town for some reason when they talked to each other. Uhm?? I can't follow that argument. How it the tone of a townie in TvT different from his tone in TvM? If you can't decide who is the M in this matchup, I'm not seeing how you come to the conclusion that this should be TvM. Or are you saying it is TvM or MvM? Tone of TvT feels more natural while TvM feels unnatural ie like something feels forced by one side. EC vs NU seems like TvM on tone. I will look into more later when I get on a computer because quoting posts is a pain in the assignment on mobile. On November 30 2016 01:47 LightningStrike wrote:On November 29 2016 12:57 emperorchampion wrote:On November 29 2016 09:34 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 08:53 Koshi wrote:On November 29 2016 08:52 Tictock wrote:
Meh reading didn't give me much.
Town lean on Onegu, mild scum lean on Emp. Neither for very good reasons. Why a townlean on Onegu? He feels superforced. Your awesome bro LS is the one who looks like he has a knife stuck in the butt. Look at his entry: On November 29 2016 07:40 LightningStrike wrote:
Hey first game since my ban which was like 5-6 months ago? Anyways Onegu's vote on EC seems pretty him joking around but outside of that nothing notable has happened. He felt the need to summarize the 10 posts that were made prior to him posting, and I can't think of another reason why he would precise that it is his first game in a while after the game started other than giving an excuse to his rustiness. That looks forced. Flagged this post, I dun like it. 1) It looks like you're trying to make something out of nothing re: throwing something at LS. 2) It reads like you're smooshing two thoughts together, which makes me think that you had some conclusion in mind and are making the evidence fit that. Requires further investigation. This post and the one after in EC's filter and the response from NU tone wise makes it seem there is a mafia between them. Like something doesn't feel natural in their conversation. On November 30 2016 05:11 LightningStrike wrote:
I here now. Not much has happened. I do think if one of EC or NU was scum it would be NU because he seems a bit opportunistic at times for his push on people (on me and EC) yet at the same he trying to solve the game more than EC. Plus the hidden LS rule that tends to happen: If someone is playing their game with me ever they would try to push me at someway. Show nested quote +On January 16 2017 22:19 Rels wrote:
And at the time I didn't what LS scummy. I didn't think he did anything townie The order seems odd cause you say that at the time LS was null, but you put him among the scummier elements. THEN you post reasons for why you would think that he's scummy.
The order is not odd, I made that read post after having read his passive posts about the Hapa / HF fight. Then I dug the other game to explain my feeling
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On January 16 2017 22:34 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2017 22:24 Vivax wrote:On January 16 2017 22:19 LightningStrike wrote:On January 16 2017 15:54 Holyflare wrote:On January 16 2017 13:58 LightningStrike wrote:On January 16 2017 13:15 Onegu wrote:
Is this game really a 12:00 EST deadline? Yes Why did you want to know if Damdred was around? Was wanting to him something that was all. LS did Damdred never mislynch you or push for your mislynch when he was mafia? He has pushed me for my mislynch when he's scum with me being town. One of those games where he done it before he left was Onegu is the Best Host which you did play in. Here was his filter from that game but if you remembered I got modkilled there and Snickers ruined the game too: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/511409-onegu-is-the-best-host-mafia?user=Damdred
That's interesting. TY for the link
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I was wrong on Damdred never daring to use his god read to try and mislynch LS then
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On January 16 2017 22:39 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2017 22:30 Rels wrote:On January 16 2017 22:28 LightningStrike wrote:On January 16 2017 22:24 Rels wrote:
LS can you expand on why is Hapa / HF weird ? Something feels off like it doesn't seem Town vs Town especially how they were interacting with each other it feels forced somewhere and or how the arguments were presented. But you started this thought at the time saying HF was being nitpicky. What makes you think Hapa could be the scum there ? The way he did shut down HF's push seems odd. He claimed he can see if Damdred changed the name from Vivax to himself(Hapa) it would make sense without adding to much content in that post. This was the post: Show nested quote +On January 16 2017 08:22 Hapahauli wrote:On January 16 2017 08:05 Holyflare wrote:
?????????????????
Because town people generally care about what they think and have thought 2 hours previously.
Because town people don't usually forget the person they thought was weird/scummy.
Because town people don't try and retroactively defend themselves with lies when their answer is I forgot.
Because town don't change their entire story to stop someone scum reading them.
Because town don't then realise they've been caught out lying and try to retroactively undo their lie AGAIN!
Wtf hapa it's not that hard to understand??? Because... On January 16 2017 07:43 Damdred wrote:
Eh I see where the disconect is, my posting implies that hi had an earlier bad feeling and I don't talk about hapa in that posting.
Ehhhhh, I can see it and understand your point.
It's a mistake on my part, maybe I meant to type hhapa there instead of vivax. I'm not sure what I was thinking or if i wwa just in a hurry.
Unfortunate but I doubt you believe my explanation anyway. ...the bolded makes sense, and is consistent with some other name typos that Damdred has made over the last 2 hours. (See: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/517873-liquidmania-qualifier-2?page=6#110)You switch out "vivax" for "hapa" there, and Damdred's thought process is entirely consistent. I believe the typo, or at the very least, I believe that the typo is equally likely to Damdred fucking up as mafia.
Isn't this the very same thing you found HF push nitpicky ?
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On January 16 2017 22:44 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2017 22:37 Rels wrote:On January 16 2017 22:34 Vivax wrote:And then this: On January 16 2017 21:41 Rels wrote:
That's where I'm at, town to scum:
Vivax HF
Onegu Slam Damdred BM
LS Hapa On January 16 2017 21:45 Rels wrote:On January 16 2017 08:46 LightningStrike wrote:On January 16 2017 08:40 Hapahauli wrote:
Where did LightningStrike and Vivax go? What do you guys think about all of this? I think Hf is being a bit nitpicky? That fight feels weird idk why honestly. On January 16 2017 09:23 LightningStrike wrote:On January 16 2017 09:09 Damdred wrote:On January 16 2017 08:46 LightningStrike wrote:On January 16 2017 08:40 Hapahauli wrote:
Where did LightningStrike and Vivax go? What do you guys think about all of this? I think Hf is being a bit nitpicky? That fight feels weird idk why honestly. But why weird ls? Which side is weird? Idk it just feels weird. Maybe HF's side? Idk man. I don't like these posts at all. The comments are bland. It's pretty different from a very similar situation where LS was town and had to post about a fight going on in the thread: On November 29 2016 23:07 LightningStrike wrote:
Something tells me there is a scum between NU and EC the tone between them don't seem exactly town on town. Call it a gut feeling nothing concrete about it. Don't think both would be mafia it doesn't feel like mafia on mafia talk especially since it not Shapelog bussing a teammate this early like he normally does (hint I think Shapelog is town this game). On November 30 2016 01:42 LightningStrike wrote:On November 30 2016 01:37 mahrgell wrote:On November 30 2016 01:31 LightningStrike wrote:On November 30 2016 01:22 Shapelog wrote:Now I have to write a paper >_< On November 29 2016 22:42 mahrgell wrote:
Grmpf... now I went through all filters... And somehow got left disappointed. All the people I would like to know more about have not posted lately... And the other half of players just tries to expand their filter size without contributing anything. Guess I just vote for policy killing almost everyone!
Guess I write a summary anyway... Maybe this helps me to order my thoughts better. So what, how are you going to make this happen? How are going to fix it? On November 29 2016 23:07 LightningStrike wrote:
Something tells me there is a scum between NU and EC the tone between them don't seem exactly town on town. Call it a gut feeling nothing concrete about it. Don't think both would be mafia it doesn't feel like mafia on mafia talk especially since it not Shapelog bussing a teammate this early like he normally does (hint I think Shapelog is town this game). Can you explain this more if you can? It hard to explain but it a gut feeling on tone between EC and NU it doesn't feel town on town for some reason when they talked to each other. Uhm?? I can't follow that argument. How it the tone of a townie in TvT different from his tone in TvM? If you can't decide who is the M in this matchup, I'm not seeing how you come to the conclusion that this should be TvM. Or are you saying it is TvM or MvM? Tone of TvT feels more natural while TvM feels unnatural ie like something feels forced by one side. EC vs NU seems like TvM on tone. I will look into more later when I get on a computer because quoting posts is a pain in the assignment on mobile. On November 30 2016 01:47 LightningStrike wrote:On November 29 2016 12:57 emperorchampion wrote:On November 29 2016 09:34 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 08:53 Koshi wrote:On November 29 2016 08:52 Tictock wrote:
Meh reading didn't give me much.
Town lean on Onegu, mild scum lean on Emp. Neither for very good reasons. Why a townlean on Onegu? He feels superforced. Your awesome bro LS is the one who looks like he has a knife stuck in the butt. Look at his entry: On November 29 2016 07:40 LightningStrike wrote:
Hey first game since my ban which was like 5-6 months ago? Anyways Onegu's vote on EC seems pretty him joking around but outside of that nothing notable has happened. He felt the need to summarize the 10 posts that were made prior to him posting, and I can't think of another reason why he would precise that it is his first game in a while after the game started other than giving an excuse to his rustiness. That looks forced. Flagged this post, I dun like it. 1) It looks like you're trying to make something out of nothing re: throwing something at LS. 2) It reads like you're smooshing two thoughts together, which makes me think that you had some conclusion in mind and are making the evidence fit that. Requires further investigation. This post and the one after in EC's filter and the response from NU tone wise makes it seem there is a mafia between them. Like something doesn't feel natural in their conversation. On November 30 2016 05:11 LightningStrike wrote:
I here now. Not much has happened. I do think if one of EC or NU was scum it would be NU because he seems a bit opportunistic at times for his push on people (on me and EC) yet at the same he trying to solve the game more than EC. Plus the hidden LS rule that tends to happen: If someone is playing their game with me ever they would try to push me at someway. On January 16 2017 22:19 Rels wrote:
And at the time I didn't what LS scummy. I didn't think he did anything townie The order seems odd cause you say that at the time LS was null, but you put him among the scummier elements. THEN you post reasons for why you would think that he's scummy. The order is not odd, I made that read post after having read his passive posts about the Hapa / HF fight. Then I dug the other game to explain my feeling But when you found him scummy after noticing his passive behaviour, why do you post this afterwards? Show nested quote +On January 16 2017 22:19 Rels wrote:
And at the time I didn't what LS scummy. I didn't think he did anything townie
At the time I posted the Damdred TMI thing*
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On January 16 2017 22:48 Holyflare wrote:
So if I'm being nitpicky about damdred and you don't like it why does hapa stopping it seem weird?
this
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On January 16 2017 22:50 Vivax wrote:the plot thickens
What plot ? Damdred was AFK 99% of the time in that game. He came back at the very end with a fake check and got lynched
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I think you also had the most hilarious post I've ever read in that agme
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On January 16 2017 22:52 Rels wrote:
I think you also had the most hilarious post I've ever read in that agme
Found it:
On September 22 2015 06:11 Vivax wrote:
This is the first time I read some dude on TL presenting the excuse for not playing "Nope sorry I said I would play but then I decided to fuck for like 17 hours"
=D
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this is actually great info. Did Damdred ever hard townread you when he was scum and you were town ?
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On January 16 2017 09:47 Damdred wrote:
Eh if like to talk some actually hf.
I don't like hapa post for a couple reasons. One I don't want to talk about as you kinda covered it.
But he soft defended me and I hate soft defends. Like I think its a great mafia thing to do asbit leaves his options open which he does.
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On January 16 2017 23:10 Vivax wrote:
Rels do you still think that Damdred could be mafia for his bad reasons on LS? If so, why?
not really. I want him to talk about it.
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