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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 23:16 GMT
#997
I'm also pretty sure Vivax is town and I just went off the deep-end post lynch. Will give updates later.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 18 2017 02:21 GMT
#1020
Vivax is town because the idea that HF and Myself are a mafia team is so absurdly paranoid that mafia would never hold that opinion.

The emotions post-lynch check out very well with a confirmation-biased, tilted townie.

Now that I have an explanation for post-lynch, it makes sense. I hate the play, but I think Vivax legitimately did not understand the possible consequences of switching his vote when he did.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 18 2017 02:22 GMT
#1021
I actually want to lynch Slam btw.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/517873-liquidmania-qualifier-2?page=49#971
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 18 2017 03:02 GMT
#1025
That's preeettty far out side mafia's range.

Slam. Go.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 18 2017 03:21 GMT
#1028
I couldn't disagree more.

Talk about Slam. What do you make of the post I linked above?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 18 2017 03:21 GMT
#1029
On January 18 2017 12:20 Holyflare wrote:
For instance if we are both town and we were vivax's strategy of winning by lynching us back to back I wouldn't put it past him to be just as annoyed that we suddenly ask him questions instead of jumping all over each other again. It's a reactionary post, sure, but still follows his long term strategy.


It's possible that it's a mafia strategy. But holy shit is that unlikely.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 18 2017 03:22 GMT
#1031
You seriously think Vivax decided as mafia to try to lynch us both back to back to win the game whatareyousmoking?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 18 2017 03:26 GMT
#1033
First post was 30 minutes out from deadline.

Next two posts were 15-10 or so.

Anyway here are the series of posts he has at deadline. Keep in mind the first post (particularly the underlined/bolded part) as you read the rest of it.
On January 18 2017 00:58 Alakaslam wrote:
I have caught up and. Prices something earlier, that coupled with recent events makes Rels town.

I will invite-

However, if HF flips green we have to lynch Hapa. I think this is just a terrible idea day1.

But ultimately, I'd rather lose HF than Hapa. HF is not the best player here, he is the other of the greats.

I will not lynch him today. If you all do that fine, I will find who I think is scum.

On January 18 2017 01:03 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 00:59 Vivax wrote:
On January 18 2017 00:58 Alakaslam wrote:
I have caught up and. Prices something earlier, that coupled with recent events makes Rels town.

I will invite-

However, if HF flips green we have to lynch Hapa. I think this is just a terrible idea day1.

But ultimately, I'd rather lose HF than Hapa. HF is not the best player here, he is the other of the greats.

I will not lynch him today. If you all do that fine, I will find who I think is scum.


That's nonsense. If HF flips green it doesn't automatically point you to another lynch.

Pretty selfish of you to act that way, too. Maybe remember others like to play this game more seriously than you do?

This is actually serious play. It's selfish to work within my own means rather than just sheep? Please tell me why; it would take far less effort to go "whoooo let's lynch HF"

Like isn't that what I'd usually do anyway? Your reaction is confusing me big time:

On January 18 2017 01:06 Alakaslam wrote:
The reason is that if Hapa is scum and he is lynching Holyflare, he will dominate. End of story.

But we would have to wait for him to survive night

I just realized this is more wifom then I had thought. Vivax is right.

Dammit I hate this situation so bad

On January 18 2017 01:08 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 01:05 Vivax wrote:
On January 18 2017 01:03 Alakaslam wrote:
On January 18 2017 00:59 Vivax wrote:
On January 18 2017 00:58 Alakaslam wrote:
I have caught up and. Prices something earlier, that coupled with recent events makes Rels town.

I will invite-

However, if HF flips green we have to lynch Hapa. I think this is just a terrible idea day1.

But ultimately, I'd rather lose HF than Hapa. HF is not the best player here, he is the other of the greats.

I will not lynch him today. If you all do that fine, I will find who I think is scum.


That's nonsense. If HF flips green it doesn't automatically point you to another lynch.

Pretty selfish of you to act that way, too. Maybe remember others like to play this game more seriously than you do?

This is actually serious play. It's selfish to work within my own means rather than just sheep? Please tell me why; it would take far less effort to go "whoooo let's lynch HF"

Like isn't that what I'd usually do anyway? Your reaction is confusing me big time:


It's selfish to risk a no lynch, is what I mean. You can scumhunt on your own disregarding our opinions all you like but please slam, don't let us slide into a no lynch. What you wrote sounds like you will waste your vote if it suits you.

Aaand I forgot it was this type.

If HF is the only wagon, and needs a vote to be lynched, I will hammer.

On January 18 2017 01:12 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 01:09 Vivax wrote:
On January 18 2017 01:06 Alakaslam wrote:
The reason is that if Hapa is scum and he is lynching Holyflare, he will dominate. End of story.

But we would have to wait for him to survive night

I just realized this is more wifom then I had thought. Vivax is right.

Dammit I hate this situation so bad


What do you think of Damdred? I think both him and HF have an equal shot at flipping mafia but I have to make compromises if we want to lynch, so right now I don't have a preference for HF, but others do.

TBH I struggle to read Damdred. He was most active during a time when I was inactive, then left the site on my return.

I mostly read by meta tbh.the capability I have for logic other than on-the-spot is pretty time consuming, and I just don't have it.

On January 18 2017 01:13 Alakaslam wrote:
I would far rather lynch Damdred but in majority I have to compromise to get a lynch.


He makes a bunch of posts, he's clearly active. Does it look to you like he's trying to find mafia (as he said he would early on)? He just waffles around, posts a bunch, does nothing, and arrives at the conclusion that he'd support a Damdred lynch despite having misgivings on Damdred.

That's not scumhunting.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 18 2017 17:10 GMT
#1167
I'm much more sold on Slam than I am on Onegu. It is a mafia play to tell people what to do ("I'm not voting HF/Hapa, I'm going to try to find who I think is actually mafia.") and just not do it. Also, Slam's play EoD reads a lot like he doesn't care enough about who gets lynched.

Onegu... I think I hate his play more than I think he's mafia.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 18 2017 17:14 GMT
#1172
On January 19 2017 02:11 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2017 02:10 Hapahauli wrote:
I'm much more sold on Slam than I am on Onegu. It is a mafia play to tell people what to do ("I'm not voting HF/Hapa, I'm going to try to find who I think is actually mafia.") and just not do it. Also, Slam's play EoD reads a lot like he doesn't care enough about who gets lynched.

Onegu... I think I hate his play more than I think he's mafia.

if thats true, and slam's mafia, then HF/Rels/..i almost typed LS... are all town

obviously LS is town ... lol i just didnt know that 24 hours ago


HF could definitely still be mafia in that list. Slam at least tries to resist lynching him a bit.

Regardless, I don't do associations until there's a flip to associate with.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 18 2017 17:33 GMT
#1187
This deadline is throwing me off so bad. GG Rels.

##Vote Alakaslam
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 18 2017 17:37 GMT
#1190
The gist of the vote is that Slam seems pretty adamant at EoD he will not lynch into HF or Myself, and insists he will go find "who he thinks is mafia."

While active over the next 20-25 minutes, he posts a lot of waffly things, concludes he reads Damdred poorly, then says he would support a Damdred lynch.

He finishes the day without voting.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 18 2017 17:38 GMT
#1191
There's also that "Hapa is conftown n stuff" thing early on Day 1 which I don't think we ever got a satisfying explanation of.

I had been reading Slam town on meta, but given how old his last few mafia games are, I don't think it's a strong enough reason to think he's town over his thread behavior.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 18 2017 17:39 GMT
#1193
Can you draw any conclusions from that?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 18 2017 17:46 GMT
#1198
Who do you think is mafia?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 18 2017 17:53 GMT
#1201
Pretty much. Everyone thought Rels got town. He got shot. There's not much more to say about it than that, and near impossible to draw any other conclusions.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 18 2017 17:58 GMT
#1202
Can you summarize the case on HF?

The last few pages are a bit hellish to read.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 18 2017 18:07 GMT
#1206
On January 19 2017 03:05 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 06:34 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Slam

When you get back, I'd like an explanation for this:

1) You take a pretty hard line that you don't want to lynch either myself or Holyflare. That's all fine. Notable is the bolded, where you say you're going to find your own scum-read.
On January 18 2017 00:58 Alakaslam wrote:
I have caught up and. Prices something earlier, that coupled with recent events makes Rels town.

I will invite-

However, if HF flips green we have to lynch Hapa. I think this is just a terrible idea day1.

But ultimately, I'd rather lose HF than Hapa. HF is not the best player here, he is the other of the greats.

I will not lynch him today. If you all do that fine, I will find who I think is scum.


2) You state that you struggle to read Damdred.
On January 18 2017 01:12 Alakaslam wrote:
On January 18 2017 01:09 Vivax wrote:
On January 18 2017 01:06 Alakaslam wrote:
The reason is that if Hapa is scum and he is lynching Holyflare, he will dominate. End of story.

But we would have to wait for him to survive night

I just realized this is more wifom then I had thought. Vivax is right.

Dammit I hate this situation so bad


What do you think of Damdred? I think both him and HF have an equal shot at flipping mafia but I have to make compromises if we want to lynch, so right now I don't have a preference for HF, but others do.

TBH I struggle to read Damdred. He was most active during a time when I was inactive, then left the site on my return.

I mostly read by meta tbh.the capability I have for logic other than on-the-spot is pretty time consuming, and I just don't have it.


3) You state that you still want to lynch Damdred anyway.
On January 18 2017 01:13 Alakaslam wrote:
I would far rather lynch Damdred but in majority I have to compromise to get a lynch.


This sequence doesn't read like you're trying to find mafia.



I am a late game player.

If you aren't willing to let me reach the late game to then be able to appropriately read anyone that is fine and foolish

Go for it but I'll have better time and reception after tomorrow.


OK, but why does you being a late-game player excuse your actions EoD?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 18 2017 18:14 GMT
#1209
You were clearly active EoD though?

Anyway more relevant question:
Why were you supporting a Damdred lynch EoD?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 18 2017 19:20 GMT
#1211
Great. I guess I'll have to read that 55-60 after all.
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