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MichaelEhrmantraut
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MichaelEhrmantraut
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MichaelEhrmantraut
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On January 06 2017 09:25 ika42 wrote: lets act like ive never played mafia for a min: why? and i dont want to hear the "oh it narrows PR" crap (yes this is a vaild reason but anyone will argue this). Yes it is sub optimal in general but why are you opposed to it? also obligatory vote silverwolf now onto something i want everyone to answer are you town? how long have you played mafia? do you play elsewhere and if so where? What is your typical play style? how do you scumhunt/townhunt? do you know anyone here that you can read very well? to answer my own: yes about 4-5 years now on and off now my typical style is to kinda talk to people and interact with others to try to get reads. most times it helps to have someone i know so i can quickly bounce with someone if they are town or lynch them if they are scum (hi silver) kinda said as above, but to summarize it i hunt though interactions most of the time yes, i can read silverwolf very well though watching and having interactions. 1. no 2. back in the day 3. no 4. ? 5. ? 6. nope obligatory qeustion : why the vote ? | ||
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MichaelEhrmantraut
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On January 07 2017 03:02 Kmatt wrote: I actually had read up about an hour ago but have been eating lunch and what not. I'll be back with a wall of text don't you worry. But yeah, between Squishy/Michael/Boston/Onegu there's a good number of afk this game. And of course Btdt. He had to have confirmed the game start message from Kita so he can't be too far off. I am still trying to read everything that's been posted. Its slightly confusing to get a read. | ||
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MichaelEhrmantraut
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On January 06 2017 11:14 Grackaroni wrote: I'd say the opposite of this. I think if he was a nervous, inexperienced scum player he would put more effort into trying to make his first post look good. So now that you are getting lynched, you changed your vote to me. Beats me. I hate how spammy this game is especially with Calix and BTDT posting literally single-line posts for 3 pages, its better to not talk than to just spew absolute BS which is what has been happening all game. Also with B0stonSC bandwagon-ing onto someone's scum-read of me, when all I have done is posted thrice. Also I don't understand why that questionnaire is being used as a way to scum-read me. Everyone who is/isn't town is obviously going to 'Yes' on the town thing. And i absolutely didn't know what to say on the rest of the questions. I am holding my vote until the deadline. | ||
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MichaelEhrmantraut
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On January 08 2017 07:48 B0stonSC wrote: Michael, your posts just seem.... off, in a way. I can't put my finger on it, but you seem wrong to me. Also Grack, it was mostly a gut feeling more than anything else. You were playing stupidly, but it was a town sort of stupidity. Can you come up with a reason or quote my 4 posts and tell me exactly where they seem off, instead of just saying somebody's posts seem off in a way for the umpteenth time. On January 08 2017 07:41 darthfoley wrote: ^ yea what's the point of reading the thread and then not interacting with anyone until near EoD. And why do you like that Calix? Its been overwhelming. Plus its my first game of Mafia in years. + Show Spoiler + Yeah I guess forum mafia isn't really my thing. I didn't expect it to be this hectic. Should've read up on some of the previous games before signing up, plus I am not all that organized, so I had some ideas in my mind, but didn't take notes. IRC Mafia which I used to play, used to be over in about 2h. max. | ||
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MichaelEhrmantraut
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On January 08 2017 07:12 B0stonSC wrote: Well that seems rather sorted. is Instalynch a thing on this site? If you are town why would you want an instalynch when there's a CC ? I think that holds for a lot of other people too. And Grack was one of the most vocal people here. On January 08 2017 21:00 Calix wrote: Although ME's large post was good tone-wise, his actions are questionable especially with his vote and wanting to "hold it until EOD" (before voting for Grack) which makes no sense for town to do (it literally makes you harder to read - a non-town trait). There is no reason to do that just for a vote at the end of a large wagon on a counterclaimed person and the fact that he leaves it until the very end of the day means that he doesn't have to explain why he preferred Grack > BTDT or give us much information re: votes/ people he wants dead. I wanted to hold it until EOD because i was reading through the posts, and to me Grack didn't look scum. I couldn't come up with anything conclusive about anyone else. And since you can't abstain here, I just voted. As such my one vote wasn't going to make any difference except give away information at that point. | ||
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MichaelEhrmantraut
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MichaelEhrmantraut
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On January 09 2017 02:35 Calix wrote: Wait wtf. Why are you concerned about "giving away information" with your votes if you're town?! That's mafia rationale. I don't agree with your assessment. I would've readily abstained if I was given the choice. You focus on the part that suits your argument the most. | ||
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MichaelEhrmantraut
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On January 09 2017 04:21 SilverWolf77 wrote: btdt is scum flailing If he's town he needs a game ban after this for griefing and borderline game throwing. I have asked ME for reads twice now and he's ignored me. I say we lynch him after btdt. B0ston after that. If these 3 are the scumteam, I wouldn't be surprised. Why have you been pressuring me for a read ? I don't understand it. I'll give you my read, when I have one. Instead go read the thread and look at people who claimed they had a read and haven't given one. You are actually behaving exactly like squishy when it comes to asking people for reads. | ||
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MichaelEhrmantraut
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On January 09 2017 03:27 Calix wrote: You literally say in your post "my vote wasn't going to make a difference except give away information". I'm asking you what motivation town has to hide information regarding votes because I do not see one at all. It is irrelevant whether you technically abstained by not voting or not because that still denies town information which you said was your motivation for abstaining. It doesn't make sense for VT or blue because scum cannot discern roles from how people vote so that leaves one possibility which is mafia. I had a misconception about the night phase, I thought we are not allowed to post during the night phase ( in an RL game you can't talk during night ...), so I thought that applied to this forum too. So, I thought why would you give away information just before night, because the topic would be locked up, until the next day phase. | ||
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MichaelEhrmantraut
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On January 09 2017 04:56 Calix wrote: "Don't look at my scummy behaviour, go look for people who are doing this other scummy thing instead!" Who falls under your criteria of "claims to have a read without giving one" exactly? Also lol at "why are you pressuring me for reads" in a game about analysing players by what they write. Well KSC hasn't given any reads. But I don't think he claimed anything, I skimmed through everyone's filters. Onegu actually said that he was going to defend SW as town ( and i thought he didn't ) but he actually did. So quite a bit of oversight from me. On January 09 2017 04:56 ika42 wrote: or you can explain why the fuck you have no reads after the day 1 shit. everyone else has given them in one form or another so dont dodge the question at hand I didn't dodge the question, I just said I don't have concrete reads. And why is it necessary to have reads after the day 1 shit ? If anything it just confuses me. Like why did you not give an argument for why SW is town. or why did you match grack's stubbornness with your own. On January 09 2017 05:03 ika42 wrote: I want ME dead. At best hes scum. at worst hes a town who needs to learn to play forum mafia. I am being blunt on this issue too: if you cant get reads or dont like being pressure or stuff like that, then dont be here. This is a game of convincing and pressuring and talking. If you cant handle some heat, then you dont need to be in the kitchen. I am being blunt on the issue, this game is for noobs. Thanks for the support. | ||
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MichaelEhrmantraut
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On January 09 2017 09:30 ika42 wrote: Cool silver is town How do you know that ? | ||
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MichaelEhrmantraut
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That is irrelevant, I ask how do you know SW is town, you just claimed it. Don't put it back on me, I say we lynch ika this night. Then you can lynch me the next night. Fuck this guy. | ||
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MichaelEhrmantraut
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MichaelEhrmantraut
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On January 06 2017 09:25 ika42 wrote: are you town? how long have you played mafia? do you play elsewhere and if so where? What is your typical play style? how do you scumhunt/townhunt? do you know anyone here that you can read very well? to answer my own: yes about 4-5 years now on and off now my typical style is to kinda talk to people and interact with others to try to get reads. most times it helps to have someone i know so i can quickly bounce with someone if they are town or lynch them if they are scum (hi silver) kinda said as above, but to summarize it i hunt though interactions most of the time yes, i can read silverwolf very well though watching and having interactions. On January 06 2017 09:26 ika42 wrote: Hi silverwolf! could you answer my questions? On January 06 2017 09:32 ika42 wrote: should of quoted you too in it but you can read above and ppl plz answer the questions i have aksed too On January 06 2017 09:35 ika42 wrote: why do you not want to answer them? its a great way to talk to people On January 06 2017 22:48 ika42 wrote: null scum the post he made here: is what sticks out to me right now. He goes "oh NAI stuff, let me claim its NAI and answer it" but the bigger thing is what is bolded. The way hes putting it out there (oh jsut punch in yes) feels like a guilty conscious of "well i'm scum who needs to put in generic sounding yes" cus i could of said to mine (or anyone for that matter) "why yes i am town", "lol, ya im town", hell someone could even say "nah im miller" or "im scum you got me" like i've asked that dozens of times and gotten anything from someone claiming to be a citizen (VT) to a jester who needs to be lynched by specific people. do i make sense? I kinda streamlined it Now this is my summary of all this, if you think the survey is important. why didn't you go on Calix to answer it. Here in the very last post you make a big deal about Vivax's analysis, but you never asked Calix to fill it out. Infact you let her get away by just saying ' yeah I copy your style ikea, bla bla bla'. After this post he gets into an argument with Vivax about all the merits, but he doesn't ask Calix to fill it out. On January 06 2017 10:54 ika42 wrote: also in about an hr ill be gone, i am doing remodel at work This is actually a common thread across all his posts, I don't know why you want to mention this shit in so many of your posts. On January 06 2017 23:26 ika42 wrote: FYI, i have been working overnights at work for remodle. Im tired and gonna pass out for a few hrs. I am off today and sat though so sat will prob be when im most around. Night everyone (even though its 8:26 in the morn) here again... Now I want to focus on these set of posts after we lynched Grack and Kmatt claims we have active PR in cop/vet On January 08 2017 13:02 ika42 wrote: also kmatt is now town On January 08 2017 13:20 ika42 wrote: you town slipped that it was vet or cop scums knwo setup A) 1 Town Cop, 1 Town Doctor, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon B) 1 Town Cop, 1 Town Veteran, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon C) 1 Town Vigilante, 1 Town Doctor, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon D) 1 Town Vigilante, 1 Town Veteran, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon What ? Just because someone says vet/cop doesn't make them town. The day had already passed, he knew that Grack was Doc. This could as well be a try at misinformation. They could be doing it on purpose. Its flawed logic. You just want to go around claiming everyone is town based on the flimsiest of evidence or giving nothing to back it up. You are my top scum read right now. On January 08 2017 13:00 ika42 wrote: He called both of us town. there is no friendship bias. if you want a reason why i town read her i can make a post about it. whats your read on em and silverwolf right now though? Then why didn't you ? What were you waiting for ? Why did you make it so much later in the game ? Or did you even make it. On January 08 2017 15:33 ika42 wrote: Im just gonna address this primary because the rest is just going to be cirular if i continue on the ohter stuff i want to hear the case now and the quote that say such things for sevral reasons: 1) shes my top town read so i want to sort that out for anyone who has doubts now I do 2) in the post you quoted there she has self admitted to being tired that could explain the tone post itself. again this 'tired' argument and you use that to explain your read . lul. 3) If she backed down on you at any point its because she has found a stronger scum read to peruse. Maybe she was satisfied with what she saw form you and decided to drop it and then town read you. Or maybe because she's as scummy as ika is and doesn't want to look like she's pressuring someone too hard 4) if she accused you of something and you responded to it then she must be satisfied with it. If she didn't follow up you should point it out cus the only time i have ever seen her back down (town or scum) is when shes satisfied with her results. 4a) her scum game would prob just be going at you till the cows come home. the fact she has backed down means shes satisfied with what she was poking on about and decided to scum hunt elsewhere which is a town indicator of hernot really, that's not sound logic, it could be the other way around too This is extremely poor defense of his SW read. On January 09 2017 01:54 ika42 wrote: I question where you get the bolded for both me and SW. The last game you have played with us we were both scum and we both lacked emotions and investments in the thread So is there a game your refrencing here or where this that come form? So maybe you changed your playstyle because you probably got figured out last game. On January 10 2017 04:26 ika42 wrote: Somewhat. Ive been poping in and out and dealing with some stuff What do you think of ME doubling down on wanting to lynch me next. This shit again. Now lets look at his read on reps On January 10 2017 05:11 ika42 wrote: still scum lean on him. i re isoed the beggining and something pinged me. its his post about "how do you know hes town" (somewhere i can quote later) and kinda casting shade on KCS but not really pushing it. also a lot of his post are more theory related then game related On January 10 2017 05:19 ika42 wrote: i was about to say he could be giving read or something On January 10 2017 22:32 ika42 wrote: i now read rep as town I still think reps is scummy. I don't know what he said would make you change your evaluation of reps from scummy to town so soon. As I said at the beginning of D2, I am in favor of bumping off ikea. There might have been stuff that I've missed but for me ikea is scummy | ||
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MichaelEhrmantraut
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I hadn't seen any of BTDT's posts when I started creating my own. My read on reps is still SCUM. | ||
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MichaelEhrmantraut
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On January 11 2017 04:34 beentheredonethat wrote: I used to make those cases as scum. They look awesome but in the end those oneliner reactions aren't great. I don't think this case is too good. Can you let him say this for himself ? Or let Silverwolf77 let it say for him ? Because that's what those two have been doing all game. Defend each other. | ||
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MichaelEhrmantraut
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On January 11 2017 05:00 reps)squishy wrote: What are you doing? If you want to see why he was convinced that I was town you cannot read a filter. You are only seeing his posts... I would like to know why you think I am scum. What am I doing ? I am trying to build a case against ika. I am not filter reading just him, I looked at your post. Are you trying to imply that I am being sloppy ? ( I probably am because i am playing this for the first time, but not in the way you are implying ). I'll let you know why I think you are scum: Quite a few of your posts are of the form : 'I am not around/work/car died/ but I try to make it up with posting 'quality'.' . It appears as if you are trying to be useful. On January 09 2017 09:44 reps)squishy wrote: Yes, but I will have to reread to get a clearer picture. Now when you ask ika why you think SW is town, ika responds with 'have you read the posts'. You respond with 'yes, but i need to re-read them for a clearer picture' Why ? If you are contributing for quality over quantity, would you not already point out holes in ika's argument rather than come up with an apology. On January 10 2017 05:30 reps)squishy wrote: Noted. I will try to be more conversational. My posts in the past are bulky, because of real life time restraints. So my philosophy was quality over quantity. Right now aside from unanimously agreeing to lynch btdt, there are no leads. Therefore I will be more conversational! Now here you again talk about this philosophy of yours, but what was that post then ? These are my reasons for calling you scum. | ||
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MichaelEhrmantraut
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On January 11 2017 05:29 Calix wrote: ME's post also does not make a great deal of sense. I'll admit to only skimming that one but any 'case' with that many quotes needed is going to be mediocre at best. Also for the love of Christ, can people please spoiler the text walls if you're gonna respond to them? Ok. On January 11 2017 05:34 Calix wrote: This is actually readable, thank God. Talking about people mentioning RL/ activity reasons/ etc is NOT something that should be used to determine someone's alignment. It really gets on my nerves when people speculate whether someone is lying about their RL issues because all that does is piss off the suspect in question and it does NOTHING. Re: the actual read here, how do those posts 'try to look useful'? I don't see an apology there so I do not understand your jump to your last line, nor do I see how any of this is AI. ok, noted, but I don't think people should keep mentioning RL activity. What do you mean by you don't see an apology there ? | ||
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MichaelEhrmantraut
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On January 11 2017 05:45 Calix wrote: "If you are contributing for quality over quantity, would you not already point out holes in ika's argument rather than come up with an apology." Where is the apology you refer to? There isn't one in the quote you referenced when you wrote that line. Do you actually have to say 'Sorry' for it to count as an apology. Look at the tone of his posts earlier, now suddenly he goes on to say that, I'll re-read, if he wants to contribute with quality over quantity ( which frankly should be everyone's goal ), shouldn't he already be on top of that post. He doesn't throw shade at it later, doesn't explain why he changed his opinion, when he had questioned it earlier. | ||
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MichaelEhrmantraut
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On January 11 2017 05:53 Calix wrote: Uh, yes? I have no idea what the rest of this says and I've probably lost brain cells trying to comprehend this. What can you not understand, here I'll fucking BULLET IT FOR YOU : 1. reps squishy is SCUM 2. reps squishy said : I value quality not quantity 3. reps squishy questions ika's read on Silverwolf77, ika says SW is town. 4. ika says did you read my arguments 5. reps says ' yes, but i'll have to re-read them' 6. why does reps have to re-read them when his earlier stated philosophy is : ' quality over quantity' 7. why is he not on top of ika, questioning his arguments 8. why does he not say why he changed his opinion on ika's read whne he questioned him earlier | ||
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MichaelEhrmantraut
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On January 11 2017 06:24 SilverWolf77 wrote: + Show Spoiler + Not so much the actual having a defense as it is the timing and level of effort put into it as the case was poor and BTDT has not flipped yet so you don't know whether you wasted time on responding in that much depth (if he's mafia and you're town) when you could have acknowledged it in a few sentences. I didn't pay it much attention because I was focusing on the more questionable players who were posting. It's not odd for me to have trouble comprehending multitudes of bad arguments and I'm having a hard time having it all sink in. I'll have to reread them later when I'm not in the fray. Fair enough. I do like the way you are questioning ME on his case on ika. It's really bad and I think he's struggling to make it make sense or be logical. Why are you so focused on ika ? She's questioning my case on reps, not on ika. She didn't even question my case on ika, she dismissed it almost immediately. | ||
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MichaelEhrmantraut
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MichaelEhrmantraut
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On January 11 2017 09:28 B0stonSC wrote: I'm with SW on this one. Maybe ME should be the next on our list? He sure is high on mine. Oh, you come in and now you go on me with SW ? You just said that SW and ika are playing us, like if that's your first thought, then probably you should hold this one. On January 11 2017 09:22 Calix wrote: "People" will call a spade a spade? Shocking. Uh, you voted for someone off the BTDT wagon without explaining why you scum-read that person at all which contradicts your "not giving away scum-reads" idea (even though there's no actual purpose to hiding reads in a normal save). Explain pls. It doesn't, I said I am not giving all my scum reads at the same time, so I post a few of my scum reads then I see how SW is reacting in the thread, not just to my reads, so can't I change my read of her. Is that a crime now ? On January 11 2017 09:23 SilverWolf77 wrote: You went on and on about ika and Reps and never mentioned me. I come out with a case on you and bam you vote me in the voting thread without saying anything about it here. If you aren't scum then I don't know what to think of this damn game anymore. You hadn't come out with a case on me until then, just quote it here if you had. All you are saying is ' cannot make a watertight scum read' , 'arguments are weak against ika and reps'. I don't see any case against me. Oh, yeah please lynch me. | ||
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MichaelEhrmantraut
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On January 12 2017 02:33 Damdred wrote: Yeah its a bit fluffy tbh, his grack vote though is bad vivax saw it first so i wont' claim the idea. I think hes a decent scum lean though. As for ME its so horrible, he asked the host in thread if people who die do the thread know who killed them etc. Its horrible reasoning but if he was scum he would just ask in his qt instead of hte thread more than likely or his scum coach would tel him. Totally horrible reasoning though, besides that he has a few scum signals though I remembered something about onegu, the more useful onegu is early in the game the more likely he is scum really. Its difficult to pinpoint his alignment though later in the game hes easier to read if you can get him to put work in. But its more a gut feeling with how hes approaching the game and not really caring. Umm why can't I ask the host something in thread if its not clarified in the rules ? Get lost, when I hold activity and dumb posts, against people, like ' OH I AM IN THE HOSTPIAL ' , ' OH NOW I AM TITLED NOW ' ' OH NOW I AM GETTING SCREWED OVER BY MY CAR', I get called out for it, but when I ask questions when the rules are unclear, you want to go on about it. This looks so scummy to me. Do all Mafia have to agree on a kill to make the kill pass ? Thank you. | ||
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MichaelEhrmantraut
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On January 12 2017 07:38 Damdred wrote: This is one of the reasons why questions generally aren't allowed in the thread to a mod and why you should communicate privately. And generally speaking a kill is agreed upon by a team but sometimes a "head" mafia person just selects the kill as in the dominant player just picks it. Someone suggest it and everyone goes hey bro ok. In any sense basically you asking certain questions to the host in thread gives the sense of you not having information the mafia would have. And literally i'm sitting here going man its shitty but it probably makes him town and you say thats scummy? Lol What do you mean they are not allowed ? Did you read the rules ? It specifically says they are allowed. Can someone get me out of this game. PLEASE. | ||
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MichaelEhrmantraut
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I can't play this game when two people who share the same house are playing the game. Plus they are circle-jerking each other for most of the game and half of their posts are of the same tone, 'ooh i am ill' 'ooh i am in the fucking hospital' 'ooh i am tilted'. Its annoying to me, its almost like they are making excuses all the time for screwing up somewhere in their posts, and at this point I think all my posts are going to be in the same tone until the end of this game. This has been a very annoying experience for me. I am happy with whatever ban you want to hand me. And this new guy, damn him, if he's going to question my asking questions in a newbie game, or draw any conclusions from it. I am not playing after this post. | ||
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