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On December 16 2016 02:16 disformation wrote: Not sure how great of an idea this is, since I kinda feel I want to do 3239239293 things already during my upcoming vacation time... probably a great one. xD edit: limited availability starting on the 23., will be back on the afternoon of the 26., but since we already mentioned a break during xmas, I don't think this should be a problem. edit2: hold dat. just realized the deadline is 02.30 for me :/ I will also be in bed, don't be a little bitch. | ||
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On December 19 2016 10:41 Kmatt wrote: It begins. Also hello to Shapelog and Darthfoley (where did he know me from?)! Looks like we won't know about what setup we get unless a blue does something. GLHF Thanks man, that's really kind of you. Expect me to actually try hard this game because I want that title back and I have the holidays off! | ||
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On December 19 2016 11:20 LightningStrike wrote: Are you suggesting you weren't even trying in our last game together? Lol I didn't do any filter diving or anything at all last game, was extremely busy. | ||
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##vote disformation Nost redundant question in the game so far. Koshi says it's a p lynch and also the most mafia entry and disfo asks whether the entry was scummy. Pointless questions for the sake of it. | ||
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On December 20 2016 01:20 LightningStrike wrote: I honestly still a little confused on Kmatt regarding his sicklucker comment which I did press him on but didn't gain much on except talking about mechanics. I don't got a big conclusion on him yet as he hasn't posted much would like to see how he interacts with ExO and others atm before I make a judgement call. You've really improved. I think kmatt's points on sicklucker were a bit of a weird leap to make and there's a bit too much explanation of sl being town. It just seemed weird in general tbh. Then after nothing he just voted exo based on exo's little bit of a comment and I found that more weird. Pretty sure the dude is new and that's just a bit of a too aggressive leap for someone trying to figure things out. I'd maybe expect that from a vet instead. ##unvote ##vote kmatt Fwiw I still think a vote on disformation is excellent. He just returned and didn't weigh into much and then did a mini bad summary. 2 mafia down, easy game. It's nice to be good again. | ||
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On December 20 2016 01:59 disformation wrote: @HF what do you think of ExO_ ? Also not sure where I did a "mini summary". Just explained my reads... I also want to vote him now :D | ||
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What I'm saying is and what you've now confirmed is you're getting tilted by someone doing a shit play when it's their literal job to do that. It doesn't make sense at all. | ||
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That's straight up bull crap man. | ||
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You get tilted regardless You think disformation isn't suspicious You push koshi and kmatt as suspicious for not finding disfo suspicious You say that you are implying they are mafia You say they might not be mafia and you might be wrong Is that a fair summary? Can you explain why they should be suspicious of disformation? I'm about 100% sure koshi voted you for being angry at kmatt playing the game instead of some circular deflection logic. Why does that make them suspicious instead of disformation ACTUALLY being suspicious? Like in a world where you're town you're saying 2 mafia/towns should find someone deflecting off a town you suspicious so why aren't you calling disformation suspicious at all?? | ||
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On December 20 2016 00:53 ExO_ wrote: Cherry-picking? Are you fucking kidding me? I just woke up, haven't even rolled out of bed yet. Saying something about a buddy in a game with this few players is a bit interesting don't you think? I'd think no town player is so ready to befriend anybody else as you are with that post. Accusing me of posting to not appear inactive is completely ridiculous. I just got into the thread, just realized the game started. Bit interesting is the least enticing way of calling someone mafia. It's as clear as mud now though, thank you. | ||
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On December 20 2016 02:27 ExO_ wrote: I don't agree with your assessment of why Koshi "voted" me. Let Koshi speak for Koshi. I wasn't angry at Kmatt for playing the game, I was angry at being immediately OMGUSed, and I don't think it makes any sense for Koshi to vote me based on that. They should be suspicious of disinformation because he brushed off anything kmatt was trying to say about me being scum and tried to move the conversation elsewhere. If I'm scum, and disinfo is immediately trying to move the conversation elsewhere, it should be suspicious. What I'm implying is by not even saying anything about disinfo they are acting suspiciously, and looks scum-indicative to me. I know I'm town. So in order for me to find disinfo suspicious I have to think that he's ignoring what kmatt said about me not because he thinks its bad (which is the obvious conclusion in my mind) but becuase he's mafia just wanting to skirt by. That's not impossible I guess, but I don't think its nearly enough to scum read him for. But disformation finds your deflections scummy and has even said so. Why can't he be mafia avoiding a town vs town conflict because that's not what he wants to push or get into? He's just throwing minor accusations around and "doesn't want to make a comment on it yet" which is the exact response I'd expect of a mafia skating by. I'd expect you to be pushing this exact point. I'm gonna let you slide for now because there's always room for improvement. Make a stance on people please with indicative terms like mafia/town/null. That would be useful. | ||
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Disformation has posted after yes. I didn't ask you to retroactively fix your statements to koshi and kmart. I'm saying you should have updated your present read by now but haven't. Disformation skating by, not getting involved and avoiding you is everything you said a mafia would do. This should further your resolve on kmart and koshi but you're stuck in an explanation of a read. You acknowledge disfo has posted since, he meets your explanation of mafia and nada. I'm gonna stop pushing you because clearly this pressure is overwhelming you and I'll give you a fighting chance champ. It's what you deserve for being a good sport. | ||
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On December 20 2016 02:46 ExO_ wrote: I find your attempt to re-tilt me with: "I'm gonna stop pushing you because clearly this pressure is overwhelming you and I'll give you a fighting chance champ. It's what you deserve for being a good sport" to be very telling. Tell me why would you throw in that phrase like that To belittle your sense of worth as the game progresses so that come deadline you'll be a broken husk and just sheep my intelligent reads instead of being a wild card that gets angry at anything. Or make you tilt further as mafia. Win/win. | ||
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On December 20 2016 02:50 Kmatt wrote: If by OMGUS you mean Oh My God You Suck, which according to the Internet would be me accusing you of being scum simply because you voted for me. Firstly, I called on your first, and every post since then has been super reactionary. Secondly, me voting you on a thin premise was in fact pushing buttons to gauge your response. Looks to me like it worked. Why would you specifically want to gauge exo's response instead of anyone in the thread when all he did was comment on one thing? | ||
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Or maybe I'm mafia tilting you? Naaahhhhh | ||
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On December 20 2016 02:59 Kmatt wrote: I couldn't come up with anything on the posts so far so I just took a shot at what appeared to be low hanging fruit. I would have eased off or even dropped it had Exo brushed off my obviously weak call and went about posting sound reads and questions, but instead we got this. So if your call out was weak and you even misread the intention behind his initial post why is it scummy that he called you out for misrepresenting his post/voting him/pushing him further? | ||
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On December 20 2016 02:59 disformation wrote: having the problem that I dont think anyone is particular scummy atm. somewhat iffy about hf, but super biased here. just think his earlier reasons to sr read me where really reaching and lukewarm. most recent ones are decent though. exo is not looking hot at all, but I want so see him calm down a bit and post some legit reads. Never UnluckyPerson was signed in when posted 12-12-2016 03:01 PM ET (US) "Your case on me is good, but I'm town :/" is becoming a meme /m9 dont think HF really did make a fuss. think he skimmed the game and pointed out the first thing he saw and didn't like. which he is perfectly capable of as either alignment. so pretty null so far. ruh rohhhh disfo, you're looking worse and worse my friend | ||
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Do what I do every game which you acknowledge by being coached by me/in the last game's QT. Make "decent" points on you. Push someone for overreacting that you agreed was overreacting. Ask intelligent questions to those people. I don't think that makes me iffy in the slightest and I have trouble seeing how you can agree with the points on you and still call me iffy for making good points. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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On December 20 2016 01:07 disformation wrote: so. now for some great reads. ExO_ is apparently not a morning person. you are welcome. on a more serious note: on SL: His opening + kmatt vote is very wifomy. It kinda boils down to: "would he post this kinda stuff as scum" and is as such not very AI. BUT consider the timing: the thread was super dead at the time he posted that. is scum interested in revitalizing a dead thread by posting controversial/interesting stuff? not really. so I think it makes him slightly more town than scum. also like LS interactions with kmat. just want to see some conclusions at some point. This is the post I heavily disliked, it pretty much boils down to absolutely no read on anyone but a town read on LS which isn't even a real read but an "I like". The thing that bugs me the most is his SL read, it's like talking himself into reading SL an alignment out loud and in a lecture-y way rather than any kind of intuitive thing. It bugs me a lot. It's like a teacher talking to a class rather than a person thinking for themselves. Then there's his recent post where he can't scum read anyone but thinks I'm iffy and Exo isn't hot so basically has actual suspicions still that aren't suspicions. I'm still going to wait for this Exo post after his dinner that he will definitely hopefully make maybe though. On December 20 2016 02:28 disformation wrote: Reread this twice, but I am getting confused. @ExO_ Recap your reads please: do you think Kmatt (and to an lesser extend koshi?) are scum/scummy or not? Who should think who is suspcious/not suspicious? and yeah I think I would prefer small words n stuff :p there was also this post directly after exo made a post saying "It's really obvious I scum read kmatt." he basically sounds like a weird disinterested disformation and it makes me sad/him mafia most likely | ||
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Not really if you're town though. I'd relish in free town cred posting when nobody else is. | ||
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On December 20 2016 03:24 Kmatt wrote: I'm phone posting and it's cold, give me a break. To be honest I don't like where this is going. Looks like a repeat of my NSM game where I was under scrutiny, NocturneMage questioned me gently before levelling off and got someone else lynched. This sudden interest in disinformation, while justifiable, looks like it has mafia influence. Oh baby. | ||
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There's more than one player in this game though so pressuring disformation who is doing absolutely mafia like play is not bad in the slightest. If it's justifiable and exo isn't around why is it bad to pressure disformation?? | ||
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On December 20 2016 03:29 Koshi wrote: wow this feels like 2 years back and playing with rayn. What does this even mean? | ||
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On December 20 2016 04:22 Kmatt wrote: You asked about why I felt that way, I answered, and you started posting memes. I'm not saying you have to push it but I'd like to hear that conversation through. I was placated by your answer, there's your conclusion. | ||
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On December 20 2016 04:22 disformation wrote: This post: was me being super confused about what exo's actual reads and thoughts behind bringing me up where. yeah, that's what I thought but this post was followed by this post: On December 20 2016 02:59 disformation wrote: having the problem that I dont think anyone is particular scummy atm. somewhat iffy about hf, but super biased here. just think his earlier reasons to sr read me where really reaching and lukewarm. most recent ones are decent though. exo is not looking hot at all, but I want so see him calm down a bit and post some legit reads. so what I'm feeling weird about is that you don't have any scum reads on anybody but then come out to scum reading exo and making that big post on him why didn't you just post this in the first place instead of holding things back and playing coy with people's reads on you? | ||
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On December 20 2016 04:28 disformation wrote: fair enough. If I remove those lines he has like 0 filter, so he would be in the land of "didnt do jack so far". also in regards to this, you posted: on SL: His opening + kmatt vote is very wifomy. It kinda boils down to: "would he post this kinda stuff as scum" and is as such not very AI. BUT consider the timing: the thread was super dead at the time he posted that. is scum interested in revitalizing a dead thread by posting controversial/interesting stuff? not really. so I think it makes him slightly more town than scum. now that you#ve admitted that it would be in the lands of 0 content and nothing happening, why do you equate that activity to a town lean rather than someone being forced to post minimal 0 content to appear active? it's a weird conclusion leap and that's particularly why I didn't like it | ||
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Disfo posted an exo post with no conclusion Disfo said he thought about all the points he posted before his dinner and at the time he was talking to exo Disfo had NO STANCE on exo or anything of value to post prior to being called out. Disfo posts that he thinks exo might be mafia after: Already "knowing" what he was gonna write Saying he didn't think anyone was mafia Being called out So, not only did he "withold" information (I'd argue it was forced into existence after he got called out) but he made no real conclusion. | ||
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But appealing to emotion instead.... | ||
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On December 20 2016 20:08 disformation wrote: He got nominated as bestest newcomer for his last scum game by kitaman27 if I recall correctly. On December 20 2016 21:03 disformation wrote: But I like your points on Kmatt. It is something to keep in mind for later. On December 20 2016 20:44 disformation wrote: And TBH really the two scums are in ExO_, SL, Rels, Slam. The thing I don't like about disfo is that he's seemingly keeping his options open and weakening other people's town reads but then stating a list that doesn't even contain kmatt in it. I feel like it's also opportunistic. On December 20 2016 21:18 disformation wrote: So. There was a recent game where exo was lynched D1 as VT. Link to his filter First post he claims VT. Gets voted by Calix for that. Immediately OMGUSES Calix. Then he starts to actually play the game. As the time for the lynch approaches: + Show Spoiler + On November 05 2016 01:19 ExO_ wrote: I just woke up, and I have to run errands. I'll probably be back before EoD but I can't swear to it. What I will say is this: I came into the thread just saying whatever I felt like. It's how I always play town. I don't try to carefully construct my posts I just say whats on my mind. I did a lot of OMGUS. When I finally sat and calmly looked at the game, I put a little suspicion on DF/Skynx because of short filter, and rels for a similar reason. But I've been attacked for switching views, for not tunneling, for tunneling at the start, and a whole variety of other things. I don't know exactly how I could defend myself at this point. I've done my best to make you realize that I'm town. But a LOT of people are tunneling on me. I'm not sure what else I'd have to do to prove I'm town. The idea that I had a scum slip is a complete joke. If I die today: Lynch TT/Rels. Both are experienced townies yet are moronically pushing this lynch. Especially TT. After that I would look for people who coasted and just hopped on the wagon day 1. Do not Lynch Calix: Calix is the most most obviously confirmed town here. I want to say NU as well because of filter length, but I'm not sure. Anywho I'm running some errands now like I said. I should be back before EoD but my motivation to play this game is basically out the window. On November 05 2016 02:46 ExO_ wrote: TT/Rels/NU should be your prime suspects. Those are my top 3 scum reads. I also think there would've been a high chance for people to say "skynkx town read ExO at EoD b/c he's scum trying to get town cred". By pointing this out here I no longer think it'll happen. If it does though refer to this Conclusion: There are a bunch of similarities. Esp. at the start of the game. Tonewise I think his tone is way more over the top this game than it was in the game I linked. But as I said again and again: he has absolutely 0 reads this game. Look at his filter. Look at the two posts I quoted. See the difference? Imo ExO_ was actually a pretty easy town read in the game I linked. He had a wonky start, but after that he started actually playing and made good posts. This game we only have a huge appeal to emotion. ##vote ExO_ This post also made me go wtf because everything disfo said that ExO_ did in his town game he's done here. OMGUSd a player, got annoyed, claimed VT. Not once did disfo mention this at all during the game and has only done it now. We're not even near the deadline which is when disfo said exo came back last time. I feel like to make this post disfo had to KNOW that there was a game where exo claimed VT since it's not actually in the database at all. Also, since he didn't mention it it actually looks like disformation wants to hop on this bandwagon with hip reasons. I think they might be partners or disformation is an extremely better vote. | ||
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ExO's game where he claims VT isn't in the database. Disformation therefore knows he's done this before, rage et al. Conclusion: There are a bunch of similarities. Esp. at the start of the game. Tonewise I think his tone is way more over the top this game than it was in the game I linked. Disformation states the start of this game was just like that one. Disformation didn't mention any of this at the start of the game at all. Disformation didn't even factor it in at all. Disformation wants to hop on hip bandwagon. | ||
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On December 20 2016 22:15 disformation wrote: I was in obs this game, forgot about until someone mentioned it (might have been rels). Was bored adn decided to look at it. and i def. mention that the start of the game is similar. the big difference is what happens afterward. He starts to play a good town game and by the time he looks like the def. lynch the posts I quoted happen. Looks like day and night to this game. timing checks out. there should at least be some decent posts by exo here by now. Where did you mention this at all? | ||
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On December 20 2016 22:21 Koshi wrote: disformation, if you are not mafia, there is without a single piece of doubt, mafia within Rels/Sicklucker. Maybe even both. I stopped believing Exo is mafia. That's a terrible thing to do. | ||
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You didn't say a word earlier. You said you didn't want to comment on it. You made a big post that didn't mention it. The game isn't in the database so you read it and knew because you were there at the time. You make that post. I call you out on the above. You quote your late cycle post saying you mention it early???? | ||
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Didn't You Mention This At The Time ? | ||
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But now you've said you didn't remember until rels said so it's whatever. Carry on. | ||
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And seeing the posts from his other town game I could believe he's just playing consistently not-very-good and thus is doing scum team's work for them. Not enough doubt to make me not vote for him of course but if he somehow flips green I'm going to feel like a bigger idiot than otherwise. Time for filters. | ||
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On December 21 2016 05:30 ExO_ wrote: When I flip town, do me a favor and lynch HF/Disinfo Nice joke. Not like I was the biggest advocate of disfo being mafia or anything. | ||
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Why is disformation mafia? | ||
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On December 21 2016 06:01 LightningStrike wrote: Okay I still don't think ExO is mafia based on meta and I still didn't see any real case on disformation unless I missed it somewhere in my skim. I pretty sure HF and Koshi are very likely town with their interactions with other people with their questioning. Dunno about sicklucker though seems very trollish early into not doing much. Kinda want to talk to him when he gets back to get a better read on him. Rels seems pretty townie too for his questioning and trying to push discussion on disformation but didn't see a real case on him :\ What??? There's literally a meta case saying he's exactly mafia. | ||
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On December 21 2016 06:27 ExO_ wrote: It's not about switching votes at this point. It's about getting the perspective of a townie. Anything I say you know will be motivated not from a scum perspective, but from my own VT perspective. I'd love it if the lynch changed but assholes like HF are so self-confident that there won't be any movement in time. And then they'll just blame me in the end. Honestly fuck HF But you just called me mafia. Either way I'm the most open to switching person that drops scum reads based on minute things on this site. | ||
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On December 21 2016 06:27 ExO_ wrote: It's not about switching votes at this point. It's about getting the perspective of a townie. Anything I say you know will be motivated not from a scum perspective, but from my own VT perspective. I'd love it if the lynch changed but assholes like HF are so self-confident that there won't be any movement in time. And then they'll just blame me in the end. Honestly fuck HF On December 21 2016 06:28 ExO_ wrote: Like what exactly? Tell me compared to my one scum game in TL, how am I playing more like a scum here than there? Do you think because I'm not going all out for a town who jumped on me based on nothing and has stayed there that I feel motivated to go out and filter dive the day 1 bullshit and make a bullshit case? That's not my strength, and when you have someone being an asshole it kills my desire to try really hard. | ||
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Stop pandering to people and get us to move our votes. | ||
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On December 21 2016 06:42 LightningStrike wrote: He much more emotional as town than scum as we seeing this game he been pretty emotional. About not proposing a new lynch: I been asking about the caseon dis since people talked about him potentally being scum since he got a vote on him too. Tell me what games you read. | ||
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Coupled with you not knowing koshi was defending you.... Dunno what you want from me. | ||
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On December 21 2016 07:04 Rels wrote: I thought HF was scum in your head ? Why are you insulting him if you think he's scum. Also exactly this. | ||
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On December 21 2016 07:07 Koshi wrote: Like... What has mafia ExO been doing? The guy is not stupid. What was his plan? Feel bad for his team mate and do a last ditched attempt to not get lynched? | ||
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On December 20 2016 19:06 Koshi wrote: Ty slam. This is really good. Ty. ? | ||
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On December 21 2016 07:37 Koshi wrote: Also HF could be mafia with Slam but not with Exo. You shut your whore mouth. I am never mafia in this game ever. | ||
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If you think he's town then I'm extremely questioning your motivation to lynch slam the question mark over kmatt the guy who posted reasoning his own lynch could be wrong and looked like he slipped. | ||
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I liked slam's posts are the problem. | ||
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On December 20 2016 19:08 Alakaslam wrote: NO. Don't propagate this bullshit, that was confusing as fuck and doesn't help town at all ever. Like people do actually make mistakes and as town I want full advantage taken of those situations because a loss after dismissing them is embarrassing. And people gloat about that. Myself included. Be smart. Play smart. "Banter" in the community thread. this post i guess | ||
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On December 21 2016 08:23 disformation wrote: Ah. So you are thinking ExO_ might be town, which would make Kmatt likely scum, but Slam might not be Kmatts partner, so you are not sure you want to lynch slam? something like that lol | ||
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Exo's questioning of Koshi's and HF caught my attention but how much I consider it depends on the flip. what does this even mean????? | ||
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"You're right no reason to cold feet" "exo hasn't changed my mind but his crackpot theories are cool if he flips town!" "cold feet" ?? | ||
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On December 21 2016 08:46 Holyflare wrote: point out to me what crackpot theories you'd like if he flips town? please answer this kmatt | ||
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never backing down | ||
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And maybe I care that Koshi is just gonna say something about me being mafia. | ||
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On December 21 2016 10:46 Alakaslam wrote: Classic holyflare. Take this as a backhanded compliment: you need to take some Dunning Kruger pills so that you quit assuming that just because something is easy for you, that it must also be easy for everyone else. You're a pro at bashing players who can't perform on the same level as yourself. EXO, I am guessing, wasn't just that position. How many times is it going to take for you to recognize that the way you aggressively push newer town players causes them to have no defense (hence your excellence scum play), whether town or not, and thereby simply flail around calling you a jerk? Why is this so difficult for you to see? Or is it simply that you value the ability to do this in scum games? So how have you not read the game but think that I did this by the way? | ||
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Also how come you needed a summary of why exo was lynched when you've literally posted in this game after he was a wagon/things happened? How have you come to your list of people based on not reading? Why make a list having not read? | ||
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Also how come you needed a summary of why exo was lynched when you've literally posted in this game after he was a wagon/things happened? | ||
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On December 22 2016 03:31 Koshi wrote: This means Rels is confirmed town status for now. Pushing SL up by quite a lot. And HF weirdly enough. Why is rels confirmed? | ||
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Either way read Ls's filter and look at kmart's filter. He starts off the day explaining sl's posts as if sl was already town and me/ls picked up on it. It looked really weird at the time and I don't think they'd be partners. But I haven't actually read sl's posts though :p | ||
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On December 22 2016 10:39 sicklucker wrote: probably should have just stuck with my gut read on day 1. damn you holyflare ??????????? | ||
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I guess it's redundant because only kmatt will truly be able to fake claim that in this case. | ||
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I was thinking about the sl thing tbh. Kmatt posted in his wall of text that sl is scummy and should be lynched if exo flips town but hasn't said a peep about sl or anything. Find it a bit odd. But I guess he hasn't been here at all either sooooo. | ||
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On December 22 2016 21:07 Koshi wrote: Your certainty + lack of finding other mafia is disturbing. Maybe you are mafia after all. What posts of mine have sounded certain? I literally even posted I hope he comes back and is super towny. | ||
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On December 22 2016 21:47 Rels wrote: I saw two posts that I think are pretty hard for scum!LS to make. These. This is his personality. If he was scum and working on imitating his town meta I don't think he would be able to replicate his natural naivety. that doesn't even make sense and has no game relevant information he could just say whatever | ||
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I could see a kmatt/ls team since kmatt had "cold feet" around the same time as his theoretical partner started posting that exo was town iirc. | ||
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Sicklucker Oh wow apparently he made a line about me and him being scumbuddies. I legitimately did not catch that until this post. Anyway this guy gives off a Slam vibe. I think it's just in his nature to make these one-liner stream of consciousness posts but he looks to be all over the place regarding our wagons. First he thinks I'm scum, then he thinks both Exo and I are scum (which simply doesn't make sense), then me mentions Slam being scum but says nothing about that case. He looks like he's ready to hop on anyone that could be a ML. But since he's down for lynching Exo he's either bussing day 1 (questionable at best) or he's just playing weird town. His enthusiasm for Rels is also odd. That speaks to me as trying too hard for town cred. Also conveniently hasn't spoken a word about disinformation unless I missed something in his spotty filter. If Exo flips green/blue we're putting this guy on ice. This is objectively a good case if it's true (not read sl). Everything he says should make sl mafia in his eyes but somehow the bussing thing eliminates all of that mafia behaviour? Then the caveat about exo just screams of tmi for later. Whether they are partners is hard to say though. | ||
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On December 21 2016 02:17 Kmatt wrote: Update: The bit about Slam being lazy town was me not conveying my thoughts properly. I had that suspicion, but him being scum wins out. I don't lean towards him being town, just that it factored into my analysis. This update on his slam read also made me go "why the fuck bother". Again, hyper awareness of slipping that slam is town and correcting himself to make stuff fit? Not to mention his post doesn't even make sense. He clearly writes However despite all this I'm leaning more towards him playing Lazy Town rather than a quiet scum. If our wagons are both ML, then Mafia wants to hop on board for the town cred and ride for an easy kill. If we have scum targets they need to be derailing us. He's just not playing at all. Everything in this quote is geared towards him weighing up town or mafia slam and reaching a conclusion that it's lazy town but apparently him being mafia wins out? | ||
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My current scumteam comes out to Exo/Slam/SL. TOWN Rels LightningStrike Holyflare Koshi Disninformation Alakaslam Sicklucker Exo SCUM It really bugs me how it's exo/slam/sl written out but then his scum order is slam/sl/exo. Not only should sl NOT be second on his list based on what he's written (the bussing) but the order is different. I find it really hard to equate why the caveat for sl is "if exo is town then we put this guy on ice" but then he's second on the list. Why bother putting that caveat at all?? Surely it means he's town if the inverse is true and exo is mafia? But now we know exo is town this looks opportunistic as fuck. | ||
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On December 22 2016 23:46 sicklucker wrote: 0 posts by kmart since scum's nk didnt go through and he had 5 votes on him. but for some reason you guys decide to just release all that presure on a scum that probably gave up. pretty unreal guys get those votes back on him are you reading the same game? | ||
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it's like 8 posts of me digging up shit on kmatt???????????????? | ||
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here you go: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/517122-liquidmania-qualifier-1?page=57 | ||
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you go from don't understand what the shit he's talking about to liking everything he says and his wall of text to saying he's pretty natural looking to saying he's probably mafia with disfo for his end of day posts (I don't remember what your conclusion was when you read his scum game) to now ignoring him today and voting off a wagon in a majority lynch what's your actual stance too? | ||
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On December 22 2016 23:57 sicklucker wrote: not really skimmed it you had few posts. all I care about is getting him killed. Lets be real tho yesterday all pressure was on him and you kind of put it on exo. Im not calling you certain mafia im not voting you today. But holy fuck son im watchin you are you for fucking real???????????????????????????????????? there was 0 pressur on kmatt and I wanted to switch to him while you afkd watching your shitty movie | ||
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Your post is bull shit because no matter what I do after those posts you'll just say the same thing "People called you out and you did stuff." There's no recourse for me being town and lazy in this scenario you're painting. | ||
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Sicklucker Oh wow apparently he made a line about me and him being scumbuddies. I legitimately did not catch that until this post. Anyway this guy gives off a Slam vibe. I think it's just in his nature to make these one-liner stream of consciousness posts but he looks to be all over the place regarding our wagons. First he thinks I'm scum, then he thinks both Exo and I are scum (which simply doesn't make sense), then me mentions Slam being scum but says nothing about that case. He looks like he's ready to hop on anyone that could be a ML. But since he's down for lynching Exo he's either bussing day 1 (questionable at best) or he's just playing weird town. His enthusiasm for Rels is also odd. That speaks to me as trying too hard for town cred. Also conveniently hasn't spoken a word about disinformation unless I missed something in his spotty filter. If Exo flips green/blue we're putting this guy on ice. I'm afraid I'm coming up dry here. Normally I'd look for who was involved with the ML, except that was my train and it has long since left the station. The lack of a NK is what threw me off the most. Host's post makes it sound like it was mafia team not agreeing on a shot, though I'd much rather it be a doctor. Without a claim it looks like we'll never know. | ||
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But to have no reads when if you were thinking a train of thought should lead you right to your wall of text and sicklucker?? Nah, I can't see it. | ||
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On December 21 2016 10:35 Kmatt wrote: Damn it all why didn't you morons talk me out of this. WE LOST E L O S T On December 21 2016 10:51 Kmatt wrote: I mean I made a wall of text a few pages back but otherwise what did I say? On December 21 2016 10:56 Kmatt wrote: So what do you make of it? Did he have it coming, am I scum who led the ML, did mafia support my train from behind, etc. all these after deadline............. at night............... This is gonna sound stupid but I was under the impression that night=radio silence since there's no vote and we're supposed to be "asleep". .................... | ||
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On December 23 2016 00:15 sicklucker wrote: oh was it? my filter says dec 20th which should be before deadline.. i would double check that http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/517122-liquidmania-qualifier-1?user=Kmatt&page=3 unless he somehow guessed exo was flipping town and complained before then no, it was after | ||
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On December 23 2016 00:26 Kmatt wrote: tangentially related but any post written liek this......... makes me read you like???? in a teenagge girl's voice???? ??????? ?????????????????????????????????? But yeah that's how it worked when I played the mafia sc2 mod, you'd have maybe 10 seconds after a lynch to funpost before the game declared "IT IS NIGHT TIME" and chat would be locked. There was a "town crier" class that could anonymously talk at night which was kind of funny. From what I garner the bit that bothered me about SL was his initial inactivity followed by the erratic posting. The bit about Rels was weird to me too. I also didn't like how he hopped on the Exo wagon without explaining his own reason, but since I was pushing that in the first place it's more likely that he just agreed with me. At the moment though HF sits the worst with me. For a while I had just accepted that this was his posting style and that being overly-aggressive made for better town play. The more I look over his posts though, it seems like he's more focused on getting a rise from people than actually garnering useful information. He takes any questionable statement and overreacts to draw attention. But yeah apparently I suck as town and should stick to NSM. So you've actually forgotten everything about your sl read and now that exo's definitely flipped town and sl hasn't changed I'm your top mafia? Where do I want to get a rise out of people and what about my posts where I actually scum hunt? It seems like your list of 3 mafia has completely vanished despite the thing stopping them from being top mafia (exo) doesn't exist. Slam/Sl/disfo? What's changed for those guys? | ||
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Are you ignoring his dumb tells of not knowing how many mafia there are? or how he's not allowed to post at night? or setups? | ||
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On January 02 2016 03:16 Kmatt wrote: Sorry if I came off as unclear before, I didn't have any time Wednesday morning to explain myself. I'll be on a little bit to provide my full explanations. hey kmatt, do you remember this post from your newbie game in the middle of the night where you saw people talking and responded to them talking? | ||
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On December 23 2016 01:00 LightningStrike wrote: I alreadyede listed who else I thought were scum sicker probably and you if you happen to live Day 3+ you are a very good player by reputation HF. So even though I "mind melded" with you and pushed the person non-stop who you think is definitely mafia and you agree with on a lot of things, I'm the potential mafia instead of somebody else? slam/disformation/rels?? | ||
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On December 21 2016 06:01 LightningStrike wrote: Okay I still don't think ExO is mafia based on meta and I still didn't see any real case on disformation unless I missed it somewhere in my skim. I pretty sure HF and Koshi are very likely town with their interactions with other people with their questioning. Dunno about sicklucker though seems very trollish early into not doing much. Kinda want to talk to him when he gets back to get a better read on him. Rels seems pretty townie too for his questioning and trying to push discussion on disformation but didn't see a real case on him :\ On December 22 2016 03:59 LightningStrike wrote: Sorry I was just way to pissed off that ExO still got lynched despite me and Koshi tried to start the wagon on Slam :\ I fine with a Kmatt lynch since Slam does look a bit better post lynch. Kmatt's early game talk is so weird around sicklucker which me and HF pointed out. Hopefully this game will get easier tonight. | ||
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On December 23 2016 01:38 Holyflare wrote: Ummm didn't you just call me mafia kmatt? Also wtf happened to your sl read?? It looks like you're just bandwagoning along for the hell of it | ||
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He had no scum reads because he forgot his actual list. I had to remind him of sicklucker which he drops like a lead balloon for absolutely 0 reason despite maintaining it's scummy? He mentions me as a scum read but hops on any wagon possible despite TOWN READING ls on day 1 and then making a throwaway comment to hop on. He leaves the thread after doing nothing. So much shit here. | ||
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"oh exo you're mafia" Exo exits thread "oh kmatt is mafia now" "lol bye guys no night posting" Kmatt leaves thread doing 0 "oh ls rels definitely mafia" Ls rels disappear. Plz. | ||
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On December 23 2016 07:35 sicklucker wrote: da hell we both know slips are not a thing. I think theres a POSSIBILITY you slipped I would lynch you before rels for example . Maybe even before the human fodder whos not even in the game slam. but not before these train wrecks Phew, thought you caught me. | ||
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On December 23 2016 07:52 Kmatt wrote: Oh right I forgot about you. Unfortunately there's only room for two mafia in this game so unless you and #2 are playing completely around each other I don't see where you'd fit in, as much as I dislike your play. Who is your #2 and why is it bull shit? How have you gone from calling LightningStrike your top town that's naive and innocent to voting him d2 based on nothing? | ||
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From what I garner the bit that bothered me about SL was his initial inactivity followed by the erratic posting. The bit about Rels was weird to me too. I also didn't like how he hopped on the Exo wagon without explaining his own reason, but since I was pushing that in the first place it's more likely that he just agreed with me. At the moment though HF sits the worst with me. For a while I had just accepted that this was his posting style and that being overly-aggressive made for better town play. The more I look over his posts though, it seems like he's more focused on getting a rise from people than actually garnering useful information. He takes any questionable statement and overreacts to draw attention. I don't believe anything you write. Nothing is substantiated whatsoever. | ||
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Now he's not even 4th, 5th mafia for no reason despite you writing more stuff about why he's mafia. Ls top town to scum vote based on some exo post that didn't even make sense? Just drop your reads whenever it fits for you to blend. I'm just making "bad" posts but what's bad? You're admitting to all your inconsistencies but somehow me pointing them out is baiting reactions and it is bad now? | ||
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On December 23 2016 19:25 Koshi wrote: This guy deserves a medal and is the best player in this game btw. I hope he gets the trophy if for some reason town wins it. Just for this comment. but he voted kmatt | ||
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On December 24 2016 00:55 LightningStrike wrote: Anyone want to lynch sicklucker with me he still not doing anything other than being a troll he normally would tryhard at this point? try hard how? you're not defending yourself so what is there to try against? | ||
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On December 24 2016 03:07 LightningStrike wrote: But why not lynch sicklucker when Isaid he's scum and gave good meta reasons for him to be scum in this game? I think your meta reasons are terrible. Show me games to back up your meta reasons. Also kmatt is not mafia so tell me who the other mafia is? | ||
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On December 24 2016 03:14 LightningStrike wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/503886-who-wants-to-be-a-millionaire-cell-mini-mafia?user=sicklucker http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/515094-a-mini-with-funny-gifs?user=sicklucker In both of these games one of his scummates got lynched or was a wagon onDay 1 then afterwards he comes back. If it's not Kmatt maybe you depending on if you alive or not Day 3/4. I don't think sl ever really plays d1 as any alignment. Do you have any d2+ stuff? | ||
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On December 24 2016 11:24 sicklucker wrote: Ls is acualy a super hard busser since hes really terrible at that alignment and doesint really know what to do. but I still have a hard time seeing them partners but maybe.. like im having a hard time finding a high probability mafia here but at least we have lots of lynches =] Good thing he wanted you lynched then | ||
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On December 28 2016 02:41 sicklucker wrote: how does that help town? I wanna get reads by peoples reactions I dont want to help scum know who to attack By lynching mafia and endgaming you pleb. ##vote sicklucker | ||
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On December 28 2016 08:08 Holyflare wrote: You guys are fucking boring. I think we should lynch rels for being boring and shitty. Not once has he tried to convince us disformation is mafia all while voting him. Not once has he done anything useful. All he does is return, react and yell at his own scum read. Now he's talking about some bull shit swap play that doesn't exist between me and sl. The only thing that happened is that sl confirmed he fake claimed medic. You still don't care. | ||
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Rels notices page 91 is a troll page. Rels thinks my comments about sl are strange. Why are they strange? They're only strange to someone trying to figure out who the real medic is (mafia) because if sl is fake claiming it should theoretically make sl mafia. Who does rels say this makes likely mafia instead? Me. Rels isn't thinking about the results of the situation, he's thinking about how to paint people as mafia for it. | ||
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Think about any time in the thread where he's tried to weigh his opinion on something other than nothing. You won't be able to. | ||
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The sl thing I misread the page and then just kept it up to perpetuate confusion between mafia. I'm still not telling you the fucking person that's blue. Disfo was a bit of a hedge/paranoia. Maybe you should ready last game for a good heavy dose of that. Then I got thinking back to the game. I saw your recent posts on disfo and sl calling you out. Then it clicked that all you've done this game is scummy shit. So I wanted to pull a plan to solve between disfo who i was paranoid about and rels who has done nothing and ask you both to explain how towny you are and what you've done this game. Only one of you did that. Then, everything about this claim has you coming out as trying to figure out who the medic is instead of who mafia is. You even agree page 91 is a troll but you keep quoting scenarios like it means something. You're saying repeatedly that me referencing sl unclaiming is weird but it's not. It definitely doesn't make me mafia either. If I was mafia then I'm telling the truth and sl unclaimed and I'd get you to call him mafia. If I'm town I'm mixing it up and telling the truth (you have fucking eyes just read the page??) or I'm lying to mix up mafia. Neither scenario makes sl or me mafia and is a waste of time to make you look like you're doing something productive. | ||
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On December 28 2016 09:19 Holyflare wrote: Vote rels please. | ||
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You said you already knew it was a troll. We have a mislynch and a no lynch to play with and a medic save potentially . | ||
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I don't want to lose to that. | ||
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This game has a medic in it and you're trying to question to see which player is the real one. You even forced me to claim a blue role if I was one. Talking about throwing. | ||
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I can save myself though so it's cool right? | ||
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But his latest ones I will never lynch him | ||
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Nn | ||
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