Liquidmania Qualifier #1

On December 19 2016 10:44 Holyflare wrote:



Thanks man, that's really kind of you.

Expect me to actually try hard this game because I want that title back and I have the holidays off!

On December 19 2016 19:35 disformation wrote:

Not a girlmore girls fan I guess? :p

On December 20 2016 00:47 Kmatt wrote:


Your post was cherry-picking a reply as to not be inactive but still be out of sight for the last 12 hours. Mine is acknowledging low-hanging fruit. And you still aren't questioning/analyzing/posting reads so

On December 20 2016 02:21 Holyflare wrote:
So you think he's mafia for a bull shit vote
You get tilted regardless
You think disformation isn't suspicious
You push koshi and kmatt as suspicious for not finding disfo suspicious
You say that you are implying they are mafia
You say they might not be mafia and you might be wrong

Is that a fair summary? Can you explain why they should be suspicious of disformation? I'm about 100% sure koshi voted you for being angry at kmatt playing the game instead of some circular deflection logic.

Why does that make them suspicious instead of disformation ACTUALLY being suspicious? Like in a world where you're town you're saying 2 mafia/towns should find someone deflecting off a town you suspicious so why aren't you calling disformation suspicious at all??

On December 20 2016 02:42 Holyflare wrote:
Exo_, you're a work in progress my friend.

Disformation has posted after yes. I didn't ask you to retroactively fix your statements to koshi and kmart. I'm saying you should have updated your present read by now but haven't.

Disformation skating by, not getting involved and avoiding you is everything you said a mafia would do. This should further your resolve on kmart and koshi but you're stuck in an explanation of a read. You acknowledge disfo has posted since, he meets your explanation of mafia and nada.

I'm gonna stop pushing you because clearly this pressure is overwhelming you and I'll give you a fighting chance champ. It's what you deserve for being a good sport.

On December 20 2016 02:42 ExO_ wrote:


your initial jab against me was an immediate OMGUS. That's not really testing the waters imo. I hadn't even been in the thread for more than 5 minutes, and you're accusing me of posting to not be considered inactive.

how in the world is that testing the waters? You don't think immediately voting me might force me to turn and focus only on you instead of looking at the thread? You didn't ask me what I thought about X or Y, you just voted me immediately.

That's not testing the wawters.

On December 20 2016 02:48 Holyflare wrote:


To belittle your sense of worth as the game progresses so that come deadline you'll be a broken husk and just sheep my intelligent reads instead of being a wild card that gets angry at anything. Or make you tilt further as mafia.

Win/win.

On December 20 2016 02:51 Holyflare wrote:


Why would you specifically want to gauge exo's response instead of anyone in the thread when all he did was comment on one thing?

On December 20 2016 03:15 Koshi wrote:
Kmatt don't be disconnected to what is happening right now.

On December 20 2016 04:18 Holyflare wrote:
conclusion about what?

On December 20 2016 04:14 Holyflare wrote:
disfo did you think those things about exo at the time or just now?

On December 20 2016 02:28 disformation wrote:
Reread this twice, but I am getting confused.
@ExO_
Recap your reads please: do you think Kmatt (and to an lesser extend koshi?) are scum/scummy or not?
Who should think who is suspcious/not suspicious?

and yeah I think I would prefer small words n stuff :p

On December 20 2016 04:24 Koshi wrote:

Yeah your reasoning is terrible. It's not because it is slam you shouldn't hold him to a high standard.
Everything slam did is well within his scum meta. It is not because he is simpler to understand this game that he is town. That's not how it works. Pretty easy post for scum!slam to make.

On December 20 2016 04:10 Holyflare wrote:
What I want to know though is why you gave SL a free town read for posting. If he had only posted his 0-1 other lines of posts do you think he would have started to be scum read instead?

On December 20 2016 18:45 Rels wrote:
Kmatt might be townier that I thought. I didn't like his early posts but that's because I didn't understand the logic. The rest of his filter is pretty natural, especially on exo, and I don't remember Kmatt being a good scum in the last game he played. I will have to reread it at some point to verify that thought.

On December 20 2016 22:06 Holyflare wrote:
I realise that post isn't well formulated but to break it down:

ExO's game where he claims VT isn't in the database.
Disformation therefore knows he's done this before, rage et al.



Disformation states the start of this game was just like that one.
Disformation didn't mention any of this at the start of the game at all.
Disformation didn't even factor it in at all.
Disformation wants to hop on hip bandwagon.

On December 20 2016 22:15 disformation wrote:

I was in obs this game, forgot about until someone mentioned it (might have been rels).
Was bored adn decided to look at it.

and i def. mention that the start of the game is similar. the big difference is what happens afterward. He starts to play a good town game and by the time he looks like the def. lynch the posts I quoted happen.
Looks like day and night to this game.

timing checks out. there should at least be some decent posts by exo here by now.

On December 21 2016 06:24 sicklucker wrote:


tbf rels koshi and others wont even be here for deadline and altho I am open to listening you out it seems pointless and I want to watch a movie =[

On December 21 2016 06:24 sicklucker wrote:


tbf rels koshi and others wont even be here for deadline and altho I am open to listening you out it seems pointless and I want to watch a movie =[

On December 21 2016 06:26 disformation wrote:
I still think there is a difference in how ExO_ approaches this game after he tilts. Think he did way more trying to solve the game / playing the game in NSM.
Might be wrong on the emotion thing, granted.

On December 21 2016 06:33 Holyflare wrote:
Ls give me a quick summar of what you saw in exo's town games and why you haven't proposed a new lynch target.

On December 21 2016 06:27 ExO_ wrote:


It's not about switching votes at this point. It's about getting the perspective of a townie. Anything I say you know will be motivated not from a scum perspective, but from my own VT perspective. I'd love it if the lynch changed but assholes like HF are so self-confident that there won't be any movement in time.

And then they'll just blame me in the end. Honestly fuck HF

On December 20 2016 19:03 Alakaslam wrote:
Rels is too unsure in the wrong places.

Just a vibe; vibes fail me a lot.


Just tossing it out there because fish, mc chicken, I'm voting the vibe. So this vote isn't technically a ninja vote.

(I did this at 2AM but whatever.)

On December ?? 2016 0?? Kmatt wrote:
{Stuff I cut}

No, SL was obviously not serious about trying to get LS nightkilled. I find harmless banter at the start of the game to be more town behavior. As of now, with how absent he's been from discussion I have a null read on him. There hasn't really been pressure because we've been talking about different things.

I'd like to hear some thoughts from him and something constructive from LS.

On December 21 2016 08:19 Holyflare wrote:


this post i guess

On December 21 2016 10:41 Holyflare wrote:
The only thing I don't care about is that exo deserves to be lynched anyway.

And maybe I care that Koshi is just gonna say something about me being mafia.

On December 22 2016 04:12 Koshi wrote:

Rels is going to go ham.

On December 22 2016 21:02 Holyflare wrote:
Yeh I see no point putting in any work when you scum read someone and they just decide to afk for the cycle. That's not fun.

I was thinking about the sl thing tbh. Kmatt posted in his wall of text that sl is scummy and should be lynched if exo flips town but hasn't said a peep about sl or anything. Find it a bit odd.

But I guess he hasn't been here at all either sooooo.

On December 22 2016 21:25 Koshi wrote:
##unvote

I can't keep this up.

##vote Lighteningstrike

On December 22 2016 04:36 LightningStrike wrote:

You sure he meant that?

On December 22 2016 05:14 LightningStrike wrote:
I think you just were trolling me HF -.-

On December 21 2016 02:08 Kmatt wrote:
Wew that was fun.

Alakaslam
Wow he actually sucks.

I'll admit, he's done a fantastic job of "skating by". His filter is tiny and full of garbage. He had those posts where he talked about Rels' reads but had no actual content. To this point he hasn't even acknowledged either the Exo or Disinfo wagons. However despite all this I'm leaning more towards him playing Lazy Town rather than a quiet scum. If our wagons are both ML, then Mafia wants to hop on board for the town cred and ride for an easy kill. If we have scum targets they need to be derailing us. He's just not playing at all. In my other game we had Fidei86 being super inactive as scum (though that might have just been him not playing much) so I don't rule Slam being scum out. He's not my first priority here so he's getting a stay of votecution.

ExO_
By all accounts this guy is still scum in my book, mostly for reasons already stated (no scumreads on anyone but his accusers, over-defensiveness at my vote, being unhelpful in general). While the meta read is totally believable, I have no reason to doubt that he's both playing to his own standard and being scum. Regardless, I won't miss him when he's gone. The vote can stay here.

Koshi
For the most part I want to like this guy. His posts do seem a little erratic, but that's not necessarily scum behavior. If you could lay out in a single post your full case against Sicklucker I'd like to see it. Just looking at your filter didn't give me a clear picture on why he's scum and why we should vote him.

LightningStrike
Literally where?

While I'm not a fan of his absence, I can't pin it down to being scum for reasons in Slam's summary. He does need to get off his rump and do some McFriggin work though. Otherwise he seems harmlessly townie. I don't want harmless town I want murderous lynching town.

Sicklucker
Oh wow apparently he made a line about me and him being scumbuddies. I legitimately did not catch that until this post.

Anyway this guy gives off a Slam vibe. I think it's just in his nature to make these one-liner stream of consciousness posts but he looks to be all over the place regarding our wagons. First he thinks I'm scum, then he thinks both Exo and I are scum (which simply doesn't make sense), then me mentions Slam being scum but says nothing about that case. He looks like he's ready to hop on anyone that could be a ML. But since he's down for lynching Exo he's either bussing day 1 (questionable at best) or he's just playing weird town. His enthusiasm for Rels is also odd. That speaks to me as trying too hard for town cred. Also conveniently hasn't spoken a word about disinformation unless I missed something in his spotty filter.

If Exo flips green/blue we're putting this guy on ice.

Rels
Town enough for me. Asks good questions, hasn't done anything particularly scummy in my eyes. He got a little confused on Disinfos pseudo-scumread of Exo but that was a genuinely confusing post. For now I find no fault here.

Holyflare
I'll take him as town as well. More aggressive than I would play, but still very town. I could see him getting shot night one *cough*doc*cough*.

Kmatt
ayy

Disinformation
I genuinely can't tell if he's scum or just a town being all over the place. As much as I hate going neutral on a big wagon, I have to give him a null. If it weren't for the other more deliberately scummy players I would feel better voting for him but as it is I can't come to a conclusion. I'm watching closely.

My current scumteam comes out to Exo/Slam/SL.

TOWN
Rels
LightningStrike
Holyflare
Koshi
Disninformation
Alakaslam
Sicklucker
Exo
SCUM

On December 21 2016 10:48 Alakaslam wrote:
For what it's worth I'm amazed how well Kmatt told me so much with so little.

On December 21 2016 10:52 Alakaslam wrote:

I'm talking about the post where you summed up The reasons EXO was up for Lynch.

On December 21 2016 10:59 sicklucker wrote:
being good as scum when sucking at town is like winning the special Olympics

On December 23 2016 01:38 Holyflare wrote:
Ummm didn't you just call me mafia kmatt? Also wtf happened to your sl read??

It looks like you're just bandwagoning along for the hell of it

On December 23 2016 08:58 Alakaslam wrote:
I am thinking SL Rels but let me catch up. It seems Kmatt and LS are the ones up RN for some rsn?

On December 24 2016 03:06 Holyflare wrote:
I don't want to lynch sl and I don't think kmatt is mafia where his team mate told him to invent a 3 mafia setup in a 9 player game because then his team mate is fucking retatded.

My current scumteam comes out to Exo/Slam/SL.

On December 24 2016 03:10 Holyflare wrote:


I think your meta reasons are terrible. Show me games to back up your meta reasons.

Also kmatt is not mafia so tell me who the other mafia is?

On December 24 2016 03:16 Holyflare wrote:
If ls is the meta god now I'm fine going ls into sl.

On December 24 2016 03:21 Holyflare wrote:


Lynch order.