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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
On December 20 2016 02:02 Koshi wrote: [/b][/b]You are focussing on the wrong part of that sentence. I'm saying you guys not finding him suspicious if you think I'm scum, is suspicious. Why? Goddamn each refresh is a new red alert from my virusthingie. If you think I'm a scum: Kmatt comes into the thread and votes me. Disinfo basically brushes off the case saying I'm not a morning person and tries to redirect the conversation elsewhere. If you think I'm scum, why are you both ignoring disinfo doing this? Either you (and kmatt) don't really think I'm scum, or are ignoring disinfo here for some reason I cannot fathom. your turn Why aren't you scum reading him if you think I'm scum? | ||
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
On December 20 2016 02:07 Holyflare wrote: Like the kmart guy could be mafia and exo doesn't even factor that in. Just full on tilt mode for no reason. .....what. That's literally the first thing I implied, and have continued with. just wat | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
What I'm saying is and what you've now confirmed is you're getting tilted by someone doing a shit play when it's their literal job to do that. It doesn't make sense at all. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
That's straight up bull crap man. | ||
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
On December 20 2016 02:11 Holyflare wrote: Then why the fuck are you angry at mafia calling you mafia? What possible reason is there for you to be tilted that he's playing his alignment? What I'm saying is and what you've now confirmed is you're getting tilted by someone doing a shit play when it's their literal job to do that. It doesn't make sense at all. What if they aren't mafia? I don't like being called mafia at all. Especially for bullshit reasons. Literally look at the end of the most recent game I played. If you think this is getting "tilted" then I get tilted easily I guess. I don't understand why I'm not allowed to be tilted, especially when I say one sentence and am immediately voted and teamed by 2 people. Either way it's far too early in the thread for me to lock into both of them being mafia. So I can't just brush them off entirely. THAT would be a scummy thing to do. | ||
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
On December 20 2016 02:14 Holyflare wrote: I also had to check because while I am lazy I don't normally forget these things. No, you didn't call him mafia at all. You just call koshi and kmart suspicious for not finding a guy you don't even find suspicious, suspicious. That's straight up bull crap man. What is this even in reference to? The first thing I did was imply that kmatt attempting to buddy somebody was scummy. UNLESS I TALK IN ALL CAPS AND WRITE VOTE ##WHOEVER DO YOU NOT THINK I'M CALLING SOMEBODY MAFIA? Do I have to use small words and spell everything out? | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
You get tilted regardless You think disformation isn't suspicious You push koshi and kmatt as suspicious for not finding disfo suspicious You say that you are implying they are mafia You say they might not be mafia and you might be wrong Is that a fair summary? Can you explain why they should be suspicious of disformation? I'm about 100% sure koshi voted you for being angry at kmatt playing the game instead of some circular deflection logic. Why does that make them suspicious instead of disformation ACTUALLY being suspicious? Like in a world where you're town you're saying 2 mafia/towns should find someone deflecting off a town you suspicious so why aren't you calling disformation suspicious at all?? | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On December 20 2016 00:53 ExO_ wrote: Cherry-picking? Are you fucking kidding me? I just woke up, haven't even rolled out of bed yet. Saying something about a buddy in a game with this few players is a bit interesting don't you think? I'd think no town player is so ready to befriend anybody else as you are with that post. Accusing me of posting to not appear inactive is completely ridiculous. I just got into the thread, just realized the game started. Bit interesting is the least enticing way of calling someone mafia. It's as clear as mud now though, thank you. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
On December 20 2016 02:21 Holyflare wrote: So you think he's mafia for a bull shit vote You get tilted regardless You think disformation isn't suspicious You push koshi and kmatt as suspicious for not finding disfo suspicious You say that you are implying they are mafia You say they might not be mafia and you might be wrong Is that a fair summary? Can you explain why they should be suspicious of disformation? I'm about 100% sure koshi voted you for being angry at kmatt playing the game instead of some circular deflection logic. Why does that make them suspicious instead of disformation ACTUALLY being suspicious? Like in a world where you're town you're saying 2 mafia/towns should find someone deflecting off a town you suspicious so why aren't you calling disformation suspicious at all?? I don't agree with your assessment of why Koshi "voted" me. Let Koshi speak for Koshi. I wasn't angry at Kmatt for playing the game, I was angry at being immediately OMGUSed, and I don't think it makes any sense for Koshi to vote me based on that. They should be suspicious of disinformation because he brushed off anything kmatt was trying to say about me being scum and tried to move the conversation elsewhere. If I'm scum, and disinfo is immediately trying to move the conversation elsewhere, it should be suspicious. What I'm implying is by not even saying anything about disinfo they are acting suspiciously, and looks scum-indicative to me. I know I'm town. So in order for me to find disinfo suspicious I have to think that he's ignoring what kmatt said about me not because he thinks its bad (which is the obvious conclusion in my mind) but becuase he's mafia just wanting to skirt by. That's not impossible I guess, but I don't think its nearly enough to scum read him for. | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
@ExO_ Recap your reads please: do you think Kmatt (and to an lesser extend koshi?) are scum/scummy or not? Who should think who is suspcious/not suspicious? and yeah I think I would prefer small words n stuff :p | ||
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Kmatt
United States1019 Posts
As someone said earlier, my initial jab at Exo was more testing the water than anything. His overreaction is the basis of my current read. Disinformation didn't rebuke my case in any meaningful way. He just interpreted your post differently, and there was nothing odd or unreasonable about it. If he claimed that my current read is baseless, started pointing fingers without a case or spouted expletives I would have reason to suspect him. At the moment I don't. It looks like Exo is digging this hole deeper with every refresh so I would need a substantial new case to take my vote off of him. | ||
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
On December 20 2016 02:24 Holyflare wrote: I cannot for the life of me fathom how someone can say people are suspicious for not pushing a non-suspicious person. Why is disinfo not-suspicious? My logic is this: Koshi/Kmatt think I'm scum Disinfo immediately tries to deflect the thread away from kmatt's scum reading of me Therefore if Koshi/Kmatt are really town, who really think I'm scum, they should at least be questioning disinfo | ||
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
On December 20 2016 02:29 Kmatt wrote: Can't really quote because mobile but here goes. As someone said earlier, my initial jab at Exo was more testing the water than anything. His overreaction is the basis of my current read. Disinformation didn't rebuke my case in any meaningful way. He just interpreted your post differently, and there was nothing odd or unreasonable about it. If he claimed that my current read is baseless, started pointing fingers without a case or spouted expletives I would have reason to suspect him. At the moment I don't. It looks like Exo is digging this hole deeper with every refresh so I would need a substantial new case to take my vote off of him. Yeah this is clearly how I would enter the thread and play the game as scum /sarcasm | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On December 20 2016 02:27 ExO_ wrote: I don't agree with your assessment of why Koshi "voted" me. Let Koshi speak for Koshi. I wasn't angry at Kmatt for playing the game, I was angry at being immediately OMGUSed, and I don't think it makes any sense for Koshi to vote me based on that. They should be suspicious of disinformation because he brushed off anything kmatt was trying to say about me being scum and tried to move the conversation elsewhere. If I'm scum, and disinfo is immediately trying to move the conversation elsewhere, it should be suspicious. What I'm implying is by not even saying anything about disinfo they are acting suspiciously, and looks scum-indicative to me. I know I'm town. So in order for me to find disinfo suspicious I have to think that he's ignoring what kmatt said about me not because he thinks its bad (which is the obvious conclusion in my mind) but becuase he's mafia just wanting to skirt by. That's not impossible I guess, but I don't think its nearly enough to scum read him for. But disformation finds your deflections scummy and has even said so. Why can't he be mafia avoiding a town vs town conflict because that's not what he wants to push or get into? He's just throwing minor accusations around and "doesn't want to make a comment on it yet" which is the exact response I'd expect of a mafia skating by. I'd expect you to be pushing this exact point. I'm gonna let you slide for now because there's always room for improvement. Make a stance on people please with indicative terms like mafia/town/null. That would be useful. | ||
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Kmatt
United States1019 Posts
On December 20 2016 02:31 ExO_ wrote: Why is disinfo not-suspicious? My logic is this: Koshi/Kmatt think I'm scum Disinfo immediately tries to deflect the thread away from kmatt's scum reading of me Therefore if Koshi/Kmatt are really town, who really think I'm scum, they should at least be questioning disinfo What is this "deflection" you seem to think we should be concerned about? IIRC he was commenting on your angry post saying that you're not a morning person. | ||
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Kmatt
United States1019 Posts
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
On December 20 2016 02:33 Holyflare wrote: But disformation finds your deflections scummy and has even said so. Why can't he be mafia avoiding a town vs town conflict because that's not what he wants to push or get into? He's just throwing minor accusations around and "doesn't want to make a comment on it yet" which is the exact response I'd expect of a mafia skating by. I'd expect you to be pushing this exact point. I'm gonna let you slide for now because there's always room for improvement. Make a stance on people please with indicative terms like mafia/town/null. That would be useful. At the time when I first posted, disinfo hadn't mentioned anything about finding me scummy. My initial reasoning for why they should find disinfo scummy stems from his initial post, not his posting after that. When you are asking me to explain my reasoning I can't just retroactively add in information to my posts that I didn't have at the time. And come off your high horse. "there's always room for improvement" blah blah blah. Shit like that just pisses me off | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
On December 20 2016 02:35 Kmatt wrote: Actually HFs bit about mafia skating by makes sense. Still standing by that Exo is scummy. yeah, it is the first actual/decent point HF has made on me. :D | ||
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