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On December 20 2016 02:33 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 02:27 ExO_ wrote:On December 20 2016 02:21 Holyflare wrote:
So you think he's mafia for a bull shit vote
You get tilted regardless
You think disformation isn't suspicious
You push koshi and kmatt as suspicious for not finding disfo suspicious
You say that you are implying they are mafia
You say they might not be mafia and you might be wrong
Is that a fair summary? Can you explain why they should be suspicious of disformation? I'm about 100% sure koshi voted you for being angry at kmatt playing the game instead of some circular deflection logic.
Why does that make them suspicious instead of disformation ACTUALLY being suspicious? Like in a world where you're town you're saying 2 mafia/towns should find someone deflecting off a town you suspicious so why aren't you calling disformation suspicious at all?? I don't agree with your assessment of why Koshi "voted" me. Let Koshi speak for Koshi. I wasn't angry at Kmatt for playing the game, I was angry at being immediately OMGUSed, and I don't think it makes any sense for Koshi to vote me based on that. They should be suspicious of disinformation because he brushed off anything kmatt was trying to say about me being scum and tried to move the conversation elsewhere. If I'm scum, and disinfo is immediately trying to move the conversation elsewhere, it should be suspicious. What I'm implying is by not even saying anything about disinfo they are acting suspiciously, and looks scum-indicative to me. I know I'm town. So in order for me to find disinfo suspicious I have to think that he's ignoring what kmatt said about me not because he thinks its bad (which is the obvious conclusion in my mind) but becuase he's mafia just wanting to skirt by. That's not impossible I guess, but I don't think its nearly enough to scum read him for. But disformation finds your deflections scummy and has even said so. Why can't he be mafia avoiding a town vs town conflict because that's not what he wants to push or get into? He's just throwing minor accusations around and "doesn't want to make a comment on it yet" which is the exact response I'd expect of a mafia skating by. I'd expect you to be pushing this exact point. I'm gonna let you slide for now because there's always room for improvement. Make a stance on people please with indicative terms like mafia/town/null. That would be useful.
At the time when I first posted, disinfo hadn't mentioned anything about finding me scummy. My initial reasoning for why they should find disinfo scummy stems from his initial post, not his posting after that. When you are asking me to explain my reasoning I can't just retroactively add in information to my posts that I didn't have at the time.
And come off your high horse. "there's always room for improvement" blah blah blah. Shit like that just pisses me off
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On December 20 2016 02:29 Kmatt wrote:
Can't really quote because mobile but here goes.
As someone said earlier, my initial jab at Exo was more testing the water than anything. His overreaction is the basis of my current read.
Disinformation didn't rebuke my case in any meaningful way. He just interpreted your post differently, and there was nothing odd or unreasonable about it. If he claimed that my current read is baseless, started pointing fingers without a case or spouted expletives I would have reason to suspect him. At the moment I don't.
It looks like Exo is digging this hole deeper with every refresh so I would need a substantial new case to take my vote off of him.
your initial jab against me was an immediate OMGUS. That's not really testing the waters imo. I hadn't even been in the thread for more than 5 minutes, and you're accusing me of posting to not be considered inactive.
how in the world is that testing the waters? You don't think immediately voting me might force me to turn and focus only on you instead of looking at the thread? You didn't ask me what I thought about X or Y, you just voted me immediately.
That's not testing the wawters.
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On December 20 2016 02:42 Holyflare wrote:
Exo_, you're a work in progress my friend.
Disformation has posted after yes. I didn't ask you to retroactively fix your statements to koshi and kmart. I'm saying you should have updated your present read by now but haven't.
Disformation skating by, not getting involved and avoiding you is everything you said a mafia would do. This should further your resolve on kmart and koshi but you're stuck in an explanation of a read. You acknowledge disfo has posted since, he meets your explanation of mafia and nada.
I'm gonna stop pushing you because clearly this pressure is overwhelming you and I'll give you a fighting chance champ. It's what you deserve for being a good sport.
I find your attempt to re-tilt me with:
"I'm gonna stop pushing you because clearly this pressure is overwhelming you and I'll give you a fighting chance champ. It's what you deserve for being a good sport"
to be very telling. Tell me why would you throw in that phrase like that
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On December 20 2016 02:45 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 02:08 ExO_ wrote:On December 20 2016 02:02 Koshi wrote:On December 20 2016 01:59 ExO_ wrote:On December 20 2016 01:57 Koshi wrote:On December 20 2016 01:54 ExO_ wrote:On December 20 2016 01:49 Koshi wrote:
Feels like you are playing a game against this thread Exo.
Kmatt buddying
Disinfo defending
Koshi also mafia?
It's weird I don't think disinfo is scum, I'm saying you guys not finding him suspicious if you think I'm scum, is suspicious. O rly? Can you explain why? I don't have a fucking reason to think he's scum yet. Especially when kmatt is over here omgusing me at the first thing I say and you are defending him like crazy. Do I already need to have a 5 page analysis on why I think every player is town? I'm not going to operate from the assumption that everyone is scum, that's fucking retarded. I'll scum read someone when I have a reason to think they are scum You are focussing on the wrong part of that sentence. I'm saying you guys not finding him suspicious if you think I'm scum, is suspicious. Why? Goddamn each refresh is a new red alert from my virusthingie. If you think I'm a scum: Kmatt comes into the thread and votes me. Disinfo basically brushes off the case saying I'm not a morning person and tries to redirect the conversation elsewhere. If you think I'm scum, why are you both ignoring disinfo doing this? Either you (and kmatt) don't really think I'm scum, or are ignoring disinfo here for some reason I cannot fathom. your turn Why aren't you scum reading him if you think I'm scum? I don't have strong feeling about anybody at all atm. I just poke around a bit. Disformation his morning joke was because you were so angry for seemingly no reason. That was never ever an attempt to redirect pressure of you. Ugh. I have such a difficult time understanding your thought process here. Not only did you think we were hard scumreading you, you also think we should have association read somebody else scummy for defending you. That is so farfetched... [/b][/b]
He voted me, and you said you were going to vote me.
I'll be sure to take that as town-leaning scum reads, instead of actual scum reads, in the future.
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On December 20 2016 02:47 LightningStrike wrote:
Also ExO if you are town you should clam down bro like maybe step away from the thread for a little a bit then come back with a calm mind set. If you are scum then well we caught you.
If I'm scum you caught me what exactly?
This is how I play. The first few times I played on TL I tried to think really carefully about posts before I said anything, and It didn't go so well. Since then I basically play stream-of-consciousness style.
Look at my most recent games, particularly touhou mafia where as VT I'm lynched day 1. Then compare that to dota mafia where I'm scum, and tell me I'm playing the same way.
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On December 20 2016 02:48 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 02:46 ExO_ wrote:On December 20 2016 02:42 Holyflare wrote:
Exo_, you're a work in progress my friend.
Disformation has posted after yes. I didn't ask you to retroactively fix your statements to koshi and kmart. I'm saying you should have updated your present read by now but haven't.
Disformation skating by, not getting involved and avoiding you is everything you said a mafia would do. This should further your resolve on kmart and koshi but you're stuck in an explanation of a read. You acknowledge disfo has posted since, he meets your explanation of mafia and nada.
I'm gonna stop pushing you because clearly this pressure is overwhelming you and I'll give you a fighting chance champ. It's what you deserve for being a good sport. I find your attempt to re-tilt me with: "I'm gonna stop pushing you because clearly this pressure is overwhelming you and I'll give you a fighting chance champ. It's what you deserve for being a good sport" to be very telling. Tell me why would you throw in that phrase like that To belittle your sense of worth as the game progresses so that come deadline you'll be a broken husk and just sheep my intelligent reads instead of being a wild card that gets angry at anything. Or make you tilt further as mafia. Win/win.
Well you can go fuck off
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Just got home from work. Jesus Christ though, this is just like touhou mafia. Scum read on day 1 for bullshit.
'll tell you this much: I'm VT. Every time I've claimed VT on TL mafia forums I have been VT, check for yourself if you don't believe me. Yeah yeah, I'm helping scum blue hunt blah blah blah (though we don't even know if there is a blue in this game) but I feel like this is the best way I can help town. Day 1 is always a shit show. And what you're getting from me is my thoughts as I get them in my head. I'm not carefully thinking them through about how it would make me look, I'm just laying them out. If you want to come up with some bullshit justification for why that makes me scum, then fine. I get tilted and I know it. I also know that it puts me into a great position to look at the thread and gauge the reactions to the scum read of me, and use that information to figure out who might be scum. But I'm not gonna lie right now it's hard to want to do that.
And @rels idk what you were reading, but HF repeatedly asked me about the disinfo thing. It's why I went back to it multiple times to explain to him what he didn't seem to understand. Regardless I was tilted and operating from the assumption that kmatt/Koshi would be scum together. They might not be, but I felt like I was getting gang banged right of the gate by them and I was tunneled on them.
I don't know what else you want from me. I've never been a player (esp on day 1) that's been good at diving filters and pointing out inconsistencies, scum-meta reads, etc...I've always been better at fighting to show others I am town. You might not like it, but that's the player I am. If everyone has already decided that somehow my play this game makes me scum and/or is going to be patronizing assholes (a la HF) then I don't know what else I can do. But if people are actually willing to work with me then I can show that I'm town.
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When I flip town, do me a favor and lynch HF/Disinfo
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Compared to what I remember about you HF (which to be fair could be wildly wrong/remembering somebody else a la the last game i played) you were never a player to antagonize. But this game you've been very antagonistic. Instead of trying to get people to cooperate work together, you're actively trying to be mean and encourage conflict.
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I'm going to be around for about another hour. I will flip town. I'm not going to filter dive and try to make any last second cases. I'm too demotivated to do that. But if anybody has any questions for me that I can answer I'll gladly do that.
This is basically exactly what I did touhou mafia day 1 where I was VT and lynched. So if you think I'm scum fine. But anybody who wants free information from a soon-to-be confirmed VT ask away and I'll do my best
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On December 21 2016 05:51 Holyflare wrote:
If you're not going to make a case on anyone, say anything about anyone unless asked then I don't particularly have any qualms lynching you. You've left it till near bed time for 3/4 of the game in a majority lynch game.
Why is disformation mafia?
You don't have any qualms lynching me because I'm town and you know it
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I think disinfo is mafia b/c of the way he responded to our first interactions. He didn't really go out OMGUS mode at me, or take the position that I was town. He very softly said I might be scum, but overall remained uncommitted.
That reaction felt really unnatural to me.
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On December 21 2016 05:58 Holyflare wrote:
You're responsible for your own lynch, not me. If you have any input into why disformation is mafia then go ahead.
Ahhh yes the old "you played bad so I'm not responsible" excuse. My gameplay right now is completely consistent with how I played town, not to mention that literally every time I claim VT I am VT. I never deviate from that.
Do you think this game is the game I'd break that rule? By the time I claimed VT I had 3 votes and a lot of pressure on me already, if I was going to make myself a liar on that particular point why would I choose this game to do it?
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On December 21 2016 06:05 sicklucker wrote:
like im never that sure about anyone on day one. I think exo is a great value lynch tho
whys that?
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On December 21 2016 06:07 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2016 06:03 sicklucker wrote:On December 21 2016 06:01 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay I still don't think ExO is mafia based on meta and I still didn't see any real case on disformation unless I missed it somewhere in my skim. I pretty sure HF and Koshi are very likely town with their interactions with other people with their questioning. Dunno about sicklucker though seems very trollish early into not doing much. Kinda want to talk to him when he gets back to get a better read on him. Rels seems pretty townie too for his questioning and trying to push discussion on disformation but didn't see a real case on him :\ just vote me bra I honestly don't want to waste my vote on you especially considering how many people rather lynch ExO although I don't want to lynch him tbh.
Why are you so sure I'm town, when everyone else thinks I'm scum?
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On December 21 2016 06:11 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2016 06:09 ExO_ wrote:On December 21 2016 06:07 LightningStrike wrote:On December 21 2016 06:03 sicklucker wrote:On December 21 2016 06:01 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay I still don't think ExO is mafia based on meta and I still didn't see any real case on disformation unless I missed it somewhere in my skim. I pretty sure HF and Koshi are very likely town with their interactions with other people with their questioning. Dunno about sicklucker though seems very trollish early into not doing much. Kinda want to talk to him when he gets back to get a better read on him. Rels seems pretty townie too for his questioning and trying to push discussion on disformation but didn't see a real case on him :\ just vote me bra I honestly don't want to waste my vote on you especially considering how many people rather lynch ExO although I don't want to lynch him tbh. Why are you so sure I'm town, when everyone else thinks I'm scum? Because I had read some of your past games compared it to this game and this game you seems like your game more than scum. I am the meta king of TL Mafia. Unless you learned how to be a very emotional scum I don't see you being scum here unless you pulled a me.
The other possibility is that you are scum, know I'm town, and are trying to get town cred for the future
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On December 21 2016 06:13 disformation wrote:
@LS did you read my posts on that regarding the meta stuff?
Your post on the meta is horrible. You see the same things I'm doing right now, yet draw the opposite conclusion
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On December 21 2016 06:15 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2016 06:13 ExO_ wrote:On December 21 2016 06:11 LightningStrike wrote:On December 21 2016 06:09 ExO_ wrote:On December 21 2016 06:07 LightningStrike wrote:On December 21 2016 06:03 sicklucker wrote:On December 21 2016 06:01 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay I still don't think ExO is mafia based on meta and I still didn't see any real case on disformation unless I missed it somewhere in my skim. I pretty sure HF and Koshi are very likely town with their interactions with other people with their questioning. Dunno about sicklucker though seems very trollish early into not doing much. Kinda want to talk to him when he gets back to get a better read on him. Rels seems pretty townie too for his questioning and trying to push discussion on disformation but didn't see a real case on him :\ just vote me bra I honestly don't want to waste my vote on you especially considering how many people rather lynch ExO although I don't want to lynch him tbh. Why are you so sure I'm town, when everyone else thinks I'm scum? Because I had read some of your past games compared it to this game and this game you seems like your game more than scum. I am the meta king of TL Mafia. Unless you learned how to be a very emotional scum I don't see you being scum here unless you pulled a me. The other possibility is that you are scum, know I'm town, and are trying to get town cred for the future I am the meta king and town this game I assure you Koshi and the others can back me up on how good I am with meta.
I'm highly skeptical. How is it you almost immediately believed me, when everyone else is convinced I'm the mafia boogie man? Either you really are the meta king, or you are scum.
I find it more likely that you are scum, which is ironic because you're the only person who believes I'm town right now
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SL seems entirely uninterested in engaging me. Why?
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On December 21 2016 06:24 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2016 06:22 ExO_ wrote:
SL seems entirely uninterested in engaging me. Why? tbf rels koshi and others wont even be here for deadline and altho I am open to listening you out it seems pointless and I want to watch a movie =[
It's not about switching votes at this point. It's about getting the perspective of a townie. Anything I say you know will be motivated not from a scum perspective, but from my own VT perspective. I'd love it if the lynch changed but assholes like HF are so self-confident that there won't be any movement in time.
And then they'll just blame me in the end. Honestly fuck HF
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