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On December 11 2016 04:59 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2016 00:09 NeverUnlucky wrote:
ExO:
You say you are 100% behind TW's claim. How confident in % are you in your reads of me, Ray and CP?
How do you explain TW scum-reading his green-check the entirety of day 1 and making cases on 3 of the 5 other players, starting with his green-check and not doing a case on who he scum-read and ended up checking?
Similarly to CP, day 1 you said that I could be scum, but never really got in detail there. I found it suspicious that you said that you wish that I were here more when I had been pretty active before that day, yet, you had never engaged me. It felt like a back-stab ie you TR me when I'm here and start discussing the possiblity of me being scum when I'm away. Why did/do you think I could be scum?
Please tell me why you think CP is scum. [...] And again Day 1 I wrote the impressions I got as I read the thread. What motivation would I have to "backstab" you as scum? I wasn't trying to push you when you were afk at all. I find it a bit odd that right now you seem to care a lot about what people thought/think about you. But that's something to consider for another time.
It's not because the read is about me that I'm asking for the 'why'. It's because you threw out a 'possible' mafia read in the thread and left it there with no explanation and never referred to it later. Idc how others have been perceiving me re: I didn't even respond to Ray's/H1's cases/reasons as to why they thought I was scum. It's just not right for you nor CP to call me scum with nothing to show for.
But you're dodging the question re: Why did/do you think I could be scum?
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On December 11 2016 05:27 ExO_ wrote:
and if CR was cop where are his breadcrumbs? where is he trying to convince people that TW is fake claiming? If I was the cop and somebody fake claimed I wouldn't post a total of 6 times after my claim and that's it.
He's not making any effort at all. This is so easy it's a joke. I'm surprised cakepie hasn't started saying things like "maybe I'm wrong, I'm doubting myself, maybe CR really is scum" because CR isn't even trying anymore.
I think town has this won. CR/Cakepie scum team
Yeah, that's the biggest point imo. He's not even bothering to sell his claim to the town.
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On December 11 2016 05:28 cakepie wrote:
NU. Remember these weird things we both noticed?
- TW goes from mylo to a plan for D3
- ExO "unwillingly" tries to make a scumread on TW, but couches it in language that blames me
Yes? That makes CRay cop?
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On December 11 2016 05:29 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2016 05:26 NeverUnlucky wrote:On December 11 2016 04:59 ExO_ wrote:On December 11 2016 00:09 NeverUnlucky wrote:
ExO:
You say you are 100% behind TW's claim. How confident in % are you in your reads of me, Ray and CP?
How do you explain TW scum-reading his green-check the entirety of day 1 and making cases on 3 of the 5 other players, starting with his green-check and not doing a case on who he scum-read and ended up checking?
Similarly to CP, day 1 you said that I could be scum, but never really got in detail there. I found it suspicious that you said that you wish that I were here more when I had been pretty active before that day, yet, you had never engaged me. It felt like a back-stab ie you TR me when I'm here and start discussing the possiblity of me being scum when I'm away. Why did/do you think I could be scum?
Please tell me why you think CP is scum. [...] And again Day 1 I wrote the impressions I got as I read the thread. What motivation would I have to "backstab" you as scum? I wasn't trying to push you when you were afk at all. I find it a bit odd that right now you seem to care a lot about what people thought/think about you. But that's something to consider for another time. It's not because the read is about me that I'm asking for the 'why'. It's because you threw out a 'possible' mafia read in the thread and left it there with no explanation and never referred to it later. Idc how others have been perceiving me re: I didn't even respond to Ray's/H1's cases/reasons as to why they thought I was scum. It's just not right for you nor CP to call me scum with nothing to show for. But you're dodging the question re: Why did/do you think I could be scum? Because I don't have perfect information, and because I have a history in mafia games of completely misreading people. Look at touhou mafia I was sure that Skynx couldn't be scum and he was. I don't think you are scum, but it's not impossible. The longer this thread goes on the less and less I think you are scum but I cannot know for sure
wtf that's the definition of an empty read
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On December 11 2016 05:40 ExO_ wrote:
##Vote: ChairmanRay
I'm going to go ahead and do this, I don't see any more reason to wait. If you have a reason why we shouldn't vote already let me know soon NU, before I go play more PoE or dota.
I don't have a problem with that. I'll wait for him to come back from his trip to hear what he has to say before hammering though.
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I'm willing to hear you and Ray out, though I will say that there is not much chance you're convincing me that TW is scum at this point.
And it has nothing to do with generations.
Nor with the fake-claim.
It's about Ray's claim being BS.
But I'll hear you guys out like I did for TW. If you would please condense as much as possible your case(s), it would be much appreciated.
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On December 11 2016 06:03 cakepie wrote:
Cakepie options. Convince NU that:
TW is scum individually
ExO is scum individually
TW+ExO are scum together
cake is town
Ray is town
feel free to cross out any others.
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Your prime goal right now is to convince me that TW is scum and Ray's town. Idc about ExO nor you for today, neither of you are today's lynch. The lynch is always between TW and CRay if that wasn't obvious.
On December 11 2016 05:58 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2016 05:52 cakepie wrote:On December 11 2016 05:47 ExO_ wrote:
CR has to be scum. otherwise scum would immediately hammer now. Unless, of course, TW and ExO are scum. Duh. I think turning this into a 2v2 was a mistake. CR is so clearly scum, and you're going down with him. I guess the play tonight will be to kill me then try to convince NU of something?
If mafia kill you over TW tomorrow night, they are fucking retarded and they lose the game because Ray's lynch confirms TW as cop, and his presence in lylo guarantees a town win.
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On December 11 2016 06:07 cakepie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2016 05:56 NeverUnlucky wrote:
I'm willing to hear you and Ray out, though I will say that there is not much chance you're convincing me that TW is scum at this point.
And it has nothing to do with generations.
Nor with the fake-claim.
It's about Ray's claim being BS.
But I'll hear you guys out like I did for TW. If you would please condense as much as possible your case(s), it would be much appreciated. Pick one. Which is it.
It's both jeez. They're saying the fucking same thing. Stop beating around the bush and get to work already.
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On December 11 2016 06:24 cakepie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2016 05:28 cakepie wrote:
NU. Remember these weird things we both noticed?
- TW goes from mylo to a plan for D3
- ExO "unwillingly" tries to make a scumread on TW, but couches it in language that blames me
Holy fuck, seriously? This is the second time you bring this up in less than an hour. If it didn't convince me the first, it won't the second time. And it certainly isn't the case I was expecting for TW to be scum.
If you're trying to piss me off you're doing a good job.
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On December 11 2016 06:28 cakepie wrote:
Actually, let's start from a different angle. You said I'm not likely to convince you that TW is scum.
Let's town Ray.
WTF, dude, do you not understand that Ray being town relies on TW being scum? To convince me of one requires convincing me of both: There is 100% one town and one mafia in TW/CR, they are correlated.
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I was literally about to hammer Ray when you posted.
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cakepie, I really don't see the point of your argument. What difference does it make if there is a generation gap or not in the fact that Ray is scum and TW is cop? Why is your goal trying to convince me that we're playing different games?
But okay, I'll bite. Yes, we seem to play two different games. You apparently play in a world where who is mafia and who is town is determined by how much town credits they've earned (?) and how they have contributed to the game. While I live by the philosophy that one single action/post can make someone undoubtedly scum.
Your 'generation' has a fetish for posting walls of text hunting for logic while 'mine' prefers shorter posts and back and forth discussion. This method favors reading players emotionally.
Can you tell me where you are going with this?
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No, no, no, I don't owe you anything because you've pulled all-nighters. This was your decision.
I had plans of watching Sleepy Hollows before going to sleep. I don't really feel like arguing now. I'm in a happy mood. Or rather I was.
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Okay, sorry for being impatient, I see that you care a lot about me understanding what you've to tell me, but it's been 10 minutes since I made 463 and you still haven't responded. If I were to stay late at night, I'd want it to be a discussion, not a wall of text exchange.
I think it's better for both of us if I read what you've to tell me tomorrow. I'm not in the mood to argue, and you're too optimistic to deal with my impatience.
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On December 11 2016 13:25 cakepie wrote:
If you're still with me, I can show you why H1's death makes Ray and I town by the old guards ways, and why the rest of you are newblood who don't get it. Which is why you're so willing to listen to the scum.
Ugh, okay.
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On December 11 2016 13:27 cakepie wrote:
We can make this a discussion instead of me posting a tutorial.
I was going to make a tutorial under the assumption you're not around.
But you're here. we're already discussing.
How well are you following #465?
I see how you guys read, but don't know why you'd be giving everyone such a big margin of error when mafia are obviously going to try and make as few mistakes as possible.
I don't really want a tutorial. My way of playing works re: found both scummers D1 last game. I'm more interested in knowing why Ray is town and TW is scum.
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Well, last game refers to Touhou, not gif mafia.
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On December 11 2016 13:33 cakepie wrote:
Look, I'm not actually that optimistic. If you really struggle to follow, then I'm wasting my time anyways. You can go ahead and hammer and someone else can tell you guys what happened this game. And I can actually go rest my cold.
But if you're willing to listen in good faith -- that's the first lesson you need to learn -- then I have some hope of clawing back the win. It's not likely, but I'm playing to my wincon here and refusing to continue letting my team down like I've been doing the whole of early D2.
This is all wifom to you, of course.
Do you truly have an open heart and a willingness to learn?
Well yeah, I'm following and listening, but it's pretty hard to have an open heart and be willing to learn when I have no clue where this leads nor how it'll end up making Ray town.
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By "I don't really want a tutorial" I meant I don't want you to teach me how to play. I find this to be very arrogant if you're town and manipulative if you're scum. Keep it to your POV: why in your pov is x scum/town?
Do show me why his flip points to TW and ExO.
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