EPT[M][N] I'm a cop you idiot mafia --- the reboot - Page 4
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On December 10 2016 06:31 cakepie wrote: + Show Spoiler + sorry, misclick "post" accidentally instead of "preview". disregard. | ||
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Sorry for being an idiotcop it is my first time as cop. I didn't want to lazycop because of the particular game format and I thought maybe scum wouldn't blue hunt among the superduper active townies. The good news is I think the game is solved even without cop powers? Like even if you tear down the weak parts of my cases there should be a fair bit left for you to proceed. So use my fuckinghugepost well. On December 08 2016 20:39 cakepie wrote: Not explaining it now has a town motivation of denying information to scum. I don't see a need to explain everything now and give scum time to ponder over it. Town doesn't need my full explanation today (game D1, not real time), but will have it by tomorrow (that is to say, D2.) when it matters. ExO's post initially resonated strongly with me, so I gut reacted with town tunnel. Being on the wrong side of the planet from all of you made it important to me to have time to be able to counterclaim, since I worry I may not be online at the same time as you all. Furthermore, I was very worried about 25% bluesnipe odds. In fact, due to: - town?ExO VT claiming from the start - ExO demands 100% cop claim in N0, ExO doesn't claim cop on D1 - ExO demands cop claim ASAP in #112, ExO doesn't claim cop I was concerned that ExO had stupid!town helped scum to 33% bluesnipe odds by eliminating himself as cop. On December 07 2016 21:31 cakepie wrote: I also believe I might have an inkling of what you typed out and deleted. Maybe we're thinking the same thing that we don't want to speak about yet. I was worried that scumbleweed would fakeclaim cop -- bad!cop would supply additional excuses for the N0 planning. But it's okay now since it's obvious that scum!ExO - just wanted to bait a cop claim, and - wasn't able to see how his own (increasinly solid) VT claim harms town. - didn't understand why I withheld information for town motivations (Sorry I actually went and explained it to him in my anger and incredulity.) + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + My+ Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + | ||
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No one votes without thorough discussion and town consensus. ExO and Ray need to get their asses in here. Don't be lazy. Read my case. I'm working out the possibilities but I need everyone to be present. | ||
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ExO, just to be sure, you're not some kind of super secret deep undercover cop, are you? Like, your VT claim is for realsies and you're not a cop who fakeclaimed VT? | ||
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TW, why you no claim at EoN? Ray, why you no claim at EoN? | ||
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ExO get yo ass in here. | ||
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On December 10 2016 10:10 NeverUnlucky wrote: And why would you be looking at crumbs? I saw something strange and looked into it and thought you might have crumbed VT. If you didn't crumb, then I'm mistaken for misinterpreting that something might be a crumb. I can see you might be worried that I'm scum hunting for blue crumbs. Let me assure you that I was looking for VT crumbs. Here's why: On December 10 2016 06:59 cakepie wrote: Furthermore, I was very worried about 25% bluesnipe odds. [...] I was concerned that ExO had stupid!town helped scum to 33% bluesnipe odds by eliminating himself as cop. I was worried about VTs claiming VT too solidly and helping scum by taking themselves out of running as possible cop. | ||
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We're going to need to solve this game with very little help of cop powers. | ||
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On December 10 2016 09:59 cakepie wrote: TW, why you no claim at EoN? | ||
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On December 10 2016 10:37 NeverUnlucky wrote: All your cases are huge. Which one is it specifically? If it's the one on TW, I only skimmed it and read the conclusion #274 ~ #278 take your time. | ||
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On December 10 2016 10:07 Tumblewood wrote: I guess by principle he should but I'm not really worried if someone does hammer Because that means you'd win. Either as townwinner or as scumwinner. You're only interested in using your claim and checks to solve the game by yourself. That's very selfish. It's lylo. You have to convince town of your claim. You have to dispel all counterclaims. You shouldn't just dump it and expect everyone to take it at face value. You have to show why your checks, PLUS the available evidence in the game thread, all ties together in a coherent narrative that solves the game. Unfortunately, craycray and I don't have reads that in themselves solve the game. As I already said, we have to solve this game with very little help of cop powers. Assuming all cop claims being equal and nothing else, we need to be given a fair chance to put together our respective narratives. | ||
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On December 10 2016 11:32 NeverUnlucky wrote: And tbh this case revolves all around logic and contradictions, and I don't think that's the right way to find scum though that's personal. I know. But if you're really town -- and I really hope you are -- then please do try to follow as best as you can, because this is going to be difficult. If you're town, then -- no offense -- you've been selected as the weakest link by scum. So this game rests on your shoulders. If you're scum, you're putting up a hell of a good act. No offense again -- but I don't think you're capable of this act without helluva good scumbuddy coaching you. So, I think you're probably town. I already squandered my towncred by being too cocky -- and that was stupid of me. I just hope I have enough left that I can bring together the town circle and win us the game. Stepping up and being town leader wasn't my intention coming into the game. But I see busy people, away people and lazy people, so it fell upon me to put in the work for town. Being town leader is a new and strange thing for me. I'm not even that good of a player. But I've been trying my darndest. huge fucking case is huge because I wanted to be thorough. I know being verbose is a problem of mine so I try to cut down on my commentary length -- and voila I get called out for "quoted every post in the game and added some analysis". What TW has done is to wholesale dismiss everything I've done before even giving it a fair shake. I see you giving it a fair shake, NU. Thank you for that. I know the case is not going to be perfect. I know it's going to have flaws. I'm okay with that. Remember: cases can be a basis for discussion. If we force discussion, we get more information about where people stand on matters, and we get more opportunities to read them for what they say and what positions they take. That's a positive for us. Please continue to weigh the case. Toss out the weak shit. See if what remains is good enough. I'll help. | ||
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People who don't seem to care about considering the possibilities: ExO, TW. I'm VT who fakeclaimed cop. There are no checks because I'm not a cop. You won't find those checks. But I'm not a crook either. I wanted to try to shield the real cop from NK and die in his place. If I succeed, and flip VT rather than cop, then my flip and my towncred would ensure my reads get considered. Plus there would be (hopefully useful) cop checks. I tried to make a big play because I got too cocky and fucked up because I was sleep deprived, staying up all night until dawn, and all pumped up because I thought I solved the game. It would have been epic to solve and win the game. Now if we lose I'm totally worst misplay 2016. =( I was worried my case might be wrong and we lose for it. Now it's my case is right but we're going to lose because I'm going to have trouble making my case stick. On top of this misplay, I was also too cocky and talked to NU about crumbs and now that's going to stick as a SR. I'm going to run out of towncred, this is going to be hard. But I'll try. Because if I've done nothing else this whole game, it's trying hard. In b4 all the things I said get thrown out, baby with the bathwater, etc etc. Just because I operate differently and some people have a hard time following. And the lazy thing is to say "I'm right, this guy seems nuts/scum. block out noise." Hear me out please. In view of my scumread on TW all this time, TW's crumbs are prefabricated. In my huge case, you'll see that I believe EoD1 scum played for nolynch, and then N1 was orchestrated. The crumbs are part of the orchestrated move. scum?TW's fabricated crumbs tell me that: - scum already decided early in N1 or even earlier to kill H1, and safely crumbs H1 N0 town in one bullet point. - This means the decision was made even before my fakeclaim. =( - But H1 succeeded in dying so that the real cop may live. =) - scum leaves flexibility to either pick one bullet point and "N1 check (cakepie)", or to spill to the next bullet point and "N1 check Chairman Ray" - scumbleweed's partner is ExO or NU. Of couse I pick TW+ExO as that is the case I've decided to pursue. In that case TW+ExO rely on NU to vote with them -- because they think they can use the fact that they all don't always understand my methods to discredit me. I do think NU is town but I will give TW+NU a good shakedown. Alternatively, cop?TW means scum?Ray. But I'm town. So it'd have to be Ray+NU or Ray+ExO. | ||
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On December 10 2016 14:50 cakepie wrote: If NU is town, then -- no offense -- you've been selected as the weakest link by scum. So this game rests on your shoulders. scum!(tw+exo) see NU as the one the can get to vote with them. But I'm the fucking weakest link now with unforced error. I'm not actually a super strong player or anything like that. At least, I don't think so given my track record:
NSM8 taught me to make sure I have fuckloads of time (I am a very slow plaer) and to put in tons of effort. Those lessons are freshest in my mind since it's most recent, and I lost in a really shitty way. So I applied them in this game. Stepping up and being town leader wasn't my intention coming into the game. But I saw busy people, away people and lazy people, so it fell upon me to put in the work for town. Being town leader was a new and strange thing for me. I'm not even that good, but I've tried my darndest and succeeded in establishing myself town. I also tried to "find scum, lynch scum, be happy". I picked the scummiest target, pushed the read as far as I could. Then, the next target, and take it as far as I can again. This was okay and I knew there would be weak parts of the reads. But it is informative to see how people react. It is also informative to provide material for discussion -- which is why I was somewhat dismayed by the lack of discussion. On the other hand, this approach led several of you to think that I'm trying too hard to find scumtells. Things were pretty good though, until I forgot the lessons from long ago ( NMM33 and NMM36 ) and decided to do unnecessary shit and make a big play. Now we're fucked unless someone -- most likely NU -- is willing to hear me out on good faith. So I'm going to submit that it's within my meta for me to fuck up like that. The way I use logic too, even if that seems alien to you. I really hope that people are bothered enough to actually put in effort to go look at my meta. Sorry to increase the burden on you. If you can't be bothered or don't believe me, then I will shamefully accept responsibility for losing the game. You're not going to get seals from me, though. I'm town. | ||
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On December 10 2016 15:30 Tumblewood wrote:why not bait it by posting 3 minutes early? I did fake #280+281. or why would you associate yourself with ray (it really is obvious) all game if you have no special relation to him? If you mean me calling him craycray, no particular reason. I just thought it would be a funny nickname. If it's me seeming to let him off the hook, that's because I was focusing on you, then ExO. If you have something you want to ask me about our interactions content-wise, fire away. | ||
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On December 10 2016 16:04 Tumblewood wrote: I did concede to you toward EoD1 that he was falling into scum territory. Also, I don't think I ever pressured NU and H1 very much either?and with ray, it's that you never seem to pressure him, you just always see the good side, which isn't how you have treated TW+ExO | ||
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