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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
@ NU Discussing reads at night is fine, though I'll admit sometimes it's tempting to wait for Day phase for the extra flip and thus info. If you are of the line of thought that Scum are going to choose their NK target based on who is getting too close to the solution at night... Meh. That's actually not usually how scum pick NKs. | ||
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Calix
3379 Posts
On November 05 2016 06:44 Tictock wrote: Sorry to disappoint but I'm just reading to keep up atm, wont be rereading till later. @ NU Discussing reads at night is fine, though I'll admit sometimes it's tempting to wait for Day phase for the extra flip and thus info. If you are of the line of thought that Scum are going to choose their NK target based on who is getting too close to the solution at night... Meh. That's actually not usually how scum pick NKs. I guess I shall just look at Rels if you're going to be a let-down. There's no point in me trying to evade a night kill by not solving the game. I'm Calix. | ||
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Calix
3379 Posts
1. He feels like he has an agenda with his posts. I get this impression from how strongly he emphasises certain points compared to others. It's like he's trying to achieve X but is also trying to hide that he's trying to achieve X. Examples that pinged me include the following A) his town-read on me. He really wanted me to know about that. Nobody really needed like, four reasons for why I am town when nobody scum-read me at all at that point and it's not like I need to be defended. Terrible priorities at best, scum pocketing me at worst. B) his town-read on Foreman. He defends Foreman because of his tone which I'm noting because I don't think he's ever used tone to read anyone else and he seems really invested in that read. This is a very weak point by itself but I'm wondering if it's an example of Rels showing inherent bias when reading players. c) his discredits of Skynx. I'm referring to EOD where he was saying "well Skynx defending ExO isn't a town tell because Skynx would be aware of how that would look to everyone so it's null" which pinged me because he scum-read ExO so why the fuck would he care about how ExO read Skynx if he thinks ExO is mafia? And who thinks that saying "well this thing that you think is townie is actually null" is a good idea BEFORE someone has flipped anyway? I think Rels knew that ExO would flip town and didn't want Skynx getting town cred for defending the ML. 2. His progression with ExO/ darthfoley. While Rels is attacking darthfoley consistently, he didn't have a problem with switching to ExO by making a case. What's the problem there? ExO was already the leading train. Rels was one of the last voters. All that vote did was secure ExO's lynch and was completely pointless. His vote switch is even weirder because Rels said that ExO was 'very likely town' because of his VT claim earlier and spent a fair bit of time explaining that. And he kept that reasoning in mind but I don't get why he felt the need to switch to ExO when he had that VT claim town-read and felt that DF was scummier. | ||
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NeverUnlucky
Canada1622 Posts
Very early on, Rels said that he hated DF's first post and asked me why I had liked it (he did not explain his disliking of the post). It was only I gave my analysis of the post and pointed out the good and the bad in it that he gave his opinion. My opinion of DF changed from town-read to null-read, and I felt manipulated by Rels at the time :3 Looking over his filter, it actually very much ressembles Koshi's filter from last game in every aspect, I kid you not. Calix, agree? | ||
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Calix
3379 Posts
On November 05 2016 07:28 NeverUnlucky wrote: Oh, yeah, I remember Rels asking why I had him in my tinfoil reads. It kind of ties with Calix's last post too. Very early on, Rels said that he hated DF's first post and asked me why I had liked it (he did not explain his disliking of the post). It was only I gave my analysis of the post and pointed out the good and the bad in it that he gave his opinion. My opinion of DF changed from town-read to null-read, and I felt manipulated by Rels at the time :3 Looking over his filter, it actually very much ressembles Koshi's filter from last game in every aspect, I kid you not. Calix, agree? If you felt manipulated by him at the time then what stopped you from saying so? And how was that manipulative in your eyes? You're going to have to expand on that Rels/ Koshi comparison. I kind of get you but clarification would be nice. I don't fancy reading a Koshi filter if I am honest. | ||
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NeverUnlucky
Canada1622 Posts
On November 05 2016 07:32 Calix wrote: If you felt manipulated by him at the time then what stopped you from saying so? And how was that manipulative in your eyes? You're going to have to expand on that Rels/ Koshi comparison. I kind of get you but clarification would be nice. I don't fancy reading a Koshi filter if I am honest. I tinfoiled later. Koshi called you lock town very early, like Rels. I remember Koshi saying he would even town-read you if there was a red-check on ye'. Koshi asked me about my previous games, Rels too. Their tone is similar. How often they ask for others' opinion. They both write "lol" in caps (Oddly I find this scummy). That's off the top of my head. | ||
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Calix
3379 Posts
On November 05 2016 07:40 NeverUnlucky wrote: I tinfoiled later. Koshi called you lock town very early, like Rels. I remember Koshi saying he would even town-read you if there was a red-check on ye'. Koshi asked me about my previous games, Rels too. Their tone is similar. How often they ask for others' opinion. They both write "lol" in caps (Oddly I find this scummy). That's off the top of my head. I am confused. You say that 'I felt manipulated by him at the time' - would this not indicate that you had that feeling at the time of him making that post? Man, how can I ever suspect a dude who says "scum!Koshi and Rels write LOL, this is scummy"? That's the most hilarious comparison. But you make some valid comparisons, that aside. | ||
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NeverUnlucky
Canada1622 Posts
On November 05 2016 07:49 Calix wrote: I am confused. You say that 'I felt manipulated by him at the time' - would this not indicate that you had that feeling at the time of him making that post? Man, how can I ever suspect a dude who says "scum!Koshi and Rels write LOL, this is scummy"? That's the most hilarious comparison. But you make some valid comparisons, that aside. Yeah, I guess that's what it would indicate. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ You tell me. You were convinced I was a gangster less than 24h ago. | ||
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NeverUnlucky
Canada1622 Posts
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Foreman
United States88 Posts
So, Skynx got weird at end of day. NU is looking town as fuck. mahrgell is being mahrgell. TT is apparently looking at the possibility of me being scum (why, exactly?), and the rest of you are giving me a headache. Carry on. | ||
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NeverUnlucky
Canada1622 Posts
3 goals in 4 mins | ||
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Foreman
United States88 Posts
On November 05 2016 07:40 NeverUnlucky wrote: They both write "lol" in caps (Oddly I find this scummy). LOL | ||
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NeverUnlucky
Canada1622 Posts
lmao | ||
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darthfoley
United States8001 Posts
On November 05 2016 08:21 Foreman wrote: God, you guys... Talk. A. Lot. So, Skynx got weird at end of day. NU is looking town as fuck. mahrgell is being mahrgell. TT is apparently looking at the possibility of me being scum (why, exactly?), and the rest of you are giving me a headache. Carry on. Thanks for your summary. Really in depth | ||
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Foreman
United States88 Posts
On November 05 2016 11:46 darthfoley wrote: Thanks for your summary. Really in depth I aim to please. I live for acceptance. | ||
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Calix
3379 Posts
On November 05 2016 12:10 Foreman wrote: I aim to impress everyone with my edge-lord personality over giving content. I live for filling up my filter with hot air with no substance to back it up. FTFY Funnily enough, I give less fucks about your lack of giving a fuck than you do about random players on the internet. Play the game or eat rope. Pick one because you are the most useless dead-weight in the game and that's saying a lot. Where the fuck is your pride? You're getting blown out of the water by Skynx and NU of all people. How do you even live with yourself? On November 04 2016 00:04 Foreman wrote: ##Vote: Skynx I've yet to see one productive post from this guy, and it's hard to remember that he's even in the game. Quoting this Skynx vote as a monumental testament to irony. Instead of wasting your precious time with "lol whatever idgaf what you think, you don't understand my story, this is the real me mam" maybe make a case against someone? I have not seen that since Page 1 of your filter and I can't remember a single read from you. You have five pages of filter and there's no impact with it. How exactly have you helped town again? Given that you're the same person who was giving mahrgell shit about 'not giving original reads' this is odd to say the least. (this isn't a 'case', just a 'stop talking shit and start doing shit' post) | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3941 Posts
oh, and if I have sudden bursts of aggression, its CUZ FUCK HABS AND FUCK MICHEAL THERRIEN FOR RUINING MY NIGHT. AND CAN WE JUST LYNCH NU? Finished reading up, I 100% sign Calix last post, and will now go down my own task list. If anyone else wants to chat or has more urgent stuff... just tell me. Before I start though, some words at the Exo lynch. I reread his filter at night, after I had some distance. Reread my case. Thought where I could/should have gone elsewhere. Besides the last 10 minutes... I can't find it. Even when he started his last posting spree, I was still very convinced this was just some last ditch emotion attempt to save his skin, more reminding me of vivax day1 in dota. And this is kinda frustrating to me. I feel like "would lynch again". This shouldn't be, but is. But this kinda influences my view on how I see others peoples interactions with the Exo_ lynch. Still will look for inconsistencies there though. There were a few things disturbing me greatly towards the end of the day, but I want to reread this to check if this was just my first impression or if it remains when going over it with some distance. | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3941 Posts
Going to bed, I was sure this would result in a scumlean for me, but looking at his filter this seems from some kind of defence reflex when accused with weird arguments. Yes, I'm still salty when he made up shit like me "using OMGIS" after I responded to a very clear question.... But overall his filter reads really good and I can follow his line of thought. But in the evening I actually marked myself one post of him, which stuck out. Like probably the main post I got bad vibes from him. It was this one. Reading it from the filter doesn't make it special, but reading it fom thread progression is different. What really annoyed me there was, that at the time the post was made, the convo was basically all on Exo. I felt I had defended all of DF's attacks on me quite well and those issues should be solved. Yet he comes in, during the Exo convo, and feels like throwing in shit at me again and try to distract the exo train. If Exo_ would have flipped red, I think I would have went after DF for this post alone. But Exo_ was green. I simply can't see a mafia doing that post at that time in the thread, when they should be jerking off in mafia QT how great this mislynch is doing. I guess if it spawns a LynchTownExo vs LynchTownMahrgell debate this could be somehow still okay for Mafia, but... why risk votes scattering and who knows what happens next? At this time the EoD was still rather far away. So DF townlean for me now. | ||
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darthfoley
United States8001 Posts
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NeverUnlucky
Canada1622 Posts
On November 05 2016 20:05 mahrgell wrote: Okay guys. Family thrown out, I'm back in business. Let's get going. oh, and if I have sudden bursts of aggression, its CUZ FUCK HABS AND FUCK MICHEAL THERRIEN FOR RUINING MY NIGHT. AND CAN WE JUST LYNCH NU? explain the lynch nu part i get the michel therrien part. fuck that guy srsly Finished reading up, I 100% sign Calix last post, and will now go down my own task list. If anyone else wants to chat or has more urgent stuff... just tell me. ? why do you sign this shame of a post | ||
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