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On November 29 2016 08:46 Onegu wrote: Dont believe you you rolled scum again Koshi. I am too excited to even try to predict how I will play. | ||
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On November 29 2016 08:49 LightningStrike wrote: Onegu confirmed to be trigger happy lol. Anyways Koshi how you been? I am awesome like always. Rolled 4 times mafia in a row, won 3 times, lost last game in a last second lynch or I would won as well. But nothing compares to be able to play town and find mafia. I didn't play town for something like 5 months or longer. I am finally excited again. Great feeling. I missed you LS. What have you been up to? | ||
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On November 29 2016 08:52 Tictock wrote: Meh reading didn't give me much. Town lean on Onegu, mild scum lean on Emp. Neither for very good reasons. Why a townlean on Onegu? He feels superforced. | ||
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On November 29 2016 08:58 LightningStrike wrote: Cool I wish I could win more as scum honestly but the last time I triharded as scum my team shit the bucket except for Damdred I been going to college (Still am but it getting close to the end of semester which gives me more time to play TL Mafia) that was all. Town has been bleeding entire 2016. Couple great wins but abysmal record. Let's all just be supertownie and take this one ezpz. | ||
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On November 29 2016 08:57 emperorchampion wrote: wooo koshi going for easy bro points I pick wolverine. | ||
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On November 29 2016 08:58 Tictock wrote: Kus he wanted to play a game and is throwing stuff around to get the game moving. Emp is a scum lean kus he's posting stuff but just jokey conversative + Show Spoiler + Spell check tells me thats not a word, but I dissagree Neither of these things mean much since the game has barely started. Someone wake me up when interesting shit has happened. meh. I am not impressed by Onegu atm. But very maybe he is trying to over do it as town. It gave me a reverse effect. Like how he called me and EC mafia felt too trolly while like you said his posts are a bit let's try the game going instant serious mode. There might be a disconnect. | ||
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On November 29 2016 09:02 LightningStrike wrote: If you are town we will have the game solved for us no problem just trust me like you did in tortoise ;D Like I said. I am always awesome. | ||
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This game you want to be part of town because town will be awesome. This game town will not slack. You will not slack because you are town. This game will be the game that demotivates every mafia team in 2017. | ||
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On November 29 2016 09:11 Tictock wrote: However the question is, why should we trust you THIS game? Because he will be awesome? | ||
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On November 29 2016 09:13 NeverUnlucky wrote: I'm here. Game can start. | ||
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On November 29 2016 09:14 Onegu wrote: Dont listen to Koshi I know he just wants me out of the game. Because he now knows I will tunnel him into oblivion. Damn scummer. ##Unvote ##Vote: Koshi | ||
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On November 29 2016 09:18 Tictock wrote: Oh right, the whole Koshi vs Onegu thing. I will prob ignore any and all of that just like Calix vs NU. This town is not lazy. You shall not be lazy. | ||
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On November 29 2016 09:19 Onegu wrote: I actually like koshi. I just think he lost his mind at some point and I have to troll him until he gets it back... I also like Koshi. So we have that in common. It is a start. | ||
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On November 29 2016 09:25 NeverUnlucky wrote: How so? I recognize myself in his all-over-the-place posts, and he's the townierest dude itt. Also, this is a town post, mang 1) The timing was possibly off. 2) That post is one of the reasons I don't like Onegu. Not that post on its own. But as a part of his posting. That post is tryhard as fuck so early in the game. I don't know when this game started. But that comment is too soon. Too dry. Meh. We will see. I am not convinced. I am also not going to judge people on single posts this game. But Onegu is marked due to his early game in my pov. | ||
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On November 29 2016 09:35 Tictock wrote: I kinda feel like you are tryharding yourself there Koshi, trying real hard to find reasons to call Onegu mafia. Yes. It is early and I am trying to explain my pov to you. That this isn't enough yet to call anybody mafia is quite obvious. I am not concerned about my own play the next 48 hours. I rolled VT and I want to win. I would be surprised if not everybody is forced to read me 100% town for the rest of the game before EoD1. I know LS and I am letting him do his thing. I like him atm. I am not locked in on anything. Holyflare, Rels will hopefully impress me. If they come out to play hard, I will play hard with them and mafia is going to roll over and die. If they don't and this game slacks forward I will play my own game and it might be uglier. People do things, we keep activity up. We lynch question marks. We confirm ourselves to each other. ezgame ezlife. I am not in a hurry. | ||
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On November 29 2016 09:41 NeverUnlucky wrote: Fair enough. Though in regards to 2), wouldn't you say your earlier posts about how town'll play the game to be tryhard albeit a bit trollsome with the awesome part? They kindda set the tone for a tryhard game is what I'm trying to say. Onegu can play a very serious and dry towngame (saw him do it only once though). This game is not that though. It's too trolly and tryhard at the same time. He is putting himself in the donkey position by continuously going after me like this. Which is a weird place to be in as tryhard serious selfrespecting town. But again. I assume my posts around Onegu look definitive, but the guy is just a slight scum lean with some wtf over it. I understand that it is atypical for mafia to be the center of attention, which he himself put himself in, BUT I am not going to call anybody town for trashtier play this game. You play for the town, or you can hang. | ||
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On November 29 2016 09:52 mahrgell wrote: Onegu seems to play the same style as NU did in NewbieMafia... Just spam nonsensical stuff, randomly bite somewhere and make it a pain for anyone who would ever consider reading his filter. Exactly. Last game Dandel Ion did a great job in being disruptive and annoying as mafia and he got townread for it. Stop doing that. Educate these players. Ignore them if they refuse. Hang them if we lack better options. | ||
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On November 29 2016 09:53 mahrgell wrote: Btw, can we please follow the mod guideline of spoilering gifs... It is a pain to read this thread on a mobile. Really Oh. I didn't read OP so I didn't notice. I will spoiler all future images. | ||
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On November 29 2016 09:54 NeverUnlucky wrote: Ehhhh, not quite the same vibe. Your quoted post's tone is what makes it fucking mafia. You're acting all nicey-nice with the "Hey guys" and "what up" and giving an excuse for why you weren't there with the busy part. Onegu's post is not that. I don't think mafia would have made this post this early cus they would profit from inactivity and do not care about it. Also, no, I have not read any of your games. fyi. LS is an extremely nice guy. You have trust issues if being nice = being mafia. | ||
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On November 29 2016 09:55 mahrgell wrote: As I mentioned NU: We need Calix as bone to check if he is on his usual "meta". So far his posts are way too readable. Maybe he just improved his posting style though. He promised he would. Then again, he promised that at the beginning of Newbiemafia already ^.^ NU his newbie game entrance was blatantly obvious mafia. And his townplay is way too invested compared to his mafia play. Will be an easy read if he keeps up playing and keeps activity up. Not worried about reading him. More worried about keeping him in check in case he is town. rofl. | ||
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On November 29 2016 10:01 mahrgell wrote: In what game was NU mafia? I played Newbie with him, there he was spammy, disturbing and town. And I read the game before from him (sorry, lost name.. too lazy to check), but there he was also town, but also busy with Calix TvT all the game. Can you link me his scumgame? (Do I really want to read his former filters??? REALLY?) Reading these 2 posts it was probably not NU who was obvious mafia that game. Dnu, I was coaching some guy and I instantly saw some guy was mafia and so did the entire thread. Always thought that was NU. I guess not. Still. NU easy read. Not worried. ZZzzzzzZZzz time now for realsies. | ||
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On November 29 2016 10:04 NeverUnlucky wrote: I never rolled mafia on TL. I really hope he didn't confuse me with Lunaticman. I'd be on the edge of pulling another temper tantrum... ohh yeah. it was him. lol + Show Spoiler + | ||
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On November 29 2016 10:29 darthfoley wrote: So everyone is town basically Yes. And that is true. LS darthfoley Mahgrell Koshi all town. On November 29 2016 11:57 Shapelog wrote: Honestly do not know what to make of Koshi Trump (Make town great again 2016) shit right now. Kinda honestly enjoy it, as long as it is productive. None of it screams scum so far from what I read. As in regard to Onegu vs. Koshi, I know where he is coming from on those points, and saw them too reading through the game. I personally don't see it scummy honestly, but I do see koshi as a light townread for what he has done so far. He also keep going after he stop talking about Onegu. I would like for him to explain his earlier sentiment on why LS good in his eyes. I've seen some of the LS I know, but some other stuff that worry me that I'll address later in this post. Like to bounce views from someone with the opposite view (this goes with anyone else as well Onegu posting style I have not really seen from him. Therefore I am going to wait and see what comes out of it and read it from a contextual viewpoint. I kinda get a ill tonal feeling from LS due to this post: Not only does this feel kinda like he's trying to twist the image. But it also doesn't make logical sense to say you are experimenting and trying to find a new style for your town play (impaling that your past one didn't work). Then saying i'm town, everything is fine, trust me. Maybe I'm overthinking it, but it didn't make sense. Otherwise LS is playing like how I remember him to play early on. Other people: Darth sounds pretty fine, light townread for now. Marg posted some stuff, didn't stand out to me one way or another. Emp and SL posted and peaced. Tictock is slight town read as well, though I need to analzye his posts some more. NU still needs be work through. I agree it reads extremely weird. My guess it comes from town though. Trying to figure out how they will play out this game / play in future games. Creating some sort of identity/meta. If that sentence comes from mafia it is mafia!LS making excuses he wont look like his normal town self and is trying to figure out a new playstyle. And it doesn't' read like that. But keeping pressure on LS is not horrible. Makes it easier for me to continuously feel his alliance to town. On November 29 2016 12:25 LightningStrike wrote: Also you still haven't explained why you claimed cop Shape so please answer this because I don't know in what world you thought it was a good call to claim cop. Wouldn't too bothered with it. It's mafia doing wifom or town being wifom. On November 29 2016 12:57 emperorchampion wrote: Flagged this post, I dun like it. 1) It looks like you're trying to make something out of nothing re: throwing something at LS. 2) It reads like you're smooshing two thoughts together, which makes me think that you had some conclusion in mind and are making the evidence fit that. Requires further investigation. Potential good post. On November 29 2016 13:06 emperorchampion wrote: If all of the people who are giving "slight scum leans" or greater to me are all town I would be quite surprised indeed. Good place to start looking, for my self as well as others. This makes no sense. Out of a bunch of people some people might be mafia, but that is only based on mathematics. I agree you are maybe the easiest target to call mafia as town. But TT, LS are also getting some heat. Also mafia has no motive except to fake some scumhunting. On November 29 2016 15:57 Holyflare wrote: Too diplomatic, doesn't feel accusatory enough. Concerned with self meta, not really concerned with own reads. "Cases" someone (emperor?) but has no real conclusion or care about it. Wishy washy stance (not even a stance, just saying we need calix) on NU, basically not even a real post on NU. I would be surprised if this is true. But I will reread having this in mind. Checkm8 is also town. | ||
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Let's see what the guy does when he comes back. Not too worried about him. + Show Spoiler + On November 29 2016 10:32 mahrgell wrote: Was trying to remember who else posted and wasn't really noticed... emps filter is trash, even for D1 standards. Hello here, hello there, spammy link, spammy video, apologizes for not being there before (was walking home), still not being there after his apology, except for another jokepost. And then followed his 2 most "investigative" posts: + Show Spoiler + On November 29 2016 08:57 emperorchampion wrote: Indeed, colour me as interested in those reasons! + Show Spoiler + On November 29 2016 08:57 emperorchampion wrote: wooo koshi going for easy bro points When those are your best posts (and you again have no followup at all) you are probably not doing enough to help town. On November 29 2016 10:40 mahrgell wrote: I share as it comes to mind ^.^ But I think I covered my initial thoughts about almost everyone who posted. Well I guess I ignored TT and LS, but neither really have enough posts to warrant any analysis. On November 29 2016 10:42 mahrgell wrote: Hmmm... also I would be not unhappy about feedback on the readability of my own posts... After I quickly established myself as wot thrower in newbie mafia, this time I'm trying to keep stuff shorter, just pointing things out with less explanations... Not sure this is better though. Then again not sure who read my stuff last game :D | ||
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On November 29 2016 17:53 Onegu wrote: Ok good to know, I am hard to ignore. Thoughts on my post that you would play hard no matter how many times you roll scum in a row and people trying to give you a pass for it? I don't mind people getting pressured. Nobody pressures me so you doing it is fine I guess. But there is no way in hell I am not confirmed town before EoD1 to everybody so posts like those are just waste of space in my head. I am not going to read you based on posts you make on me. So as long as you fail/refuse to dive in the game and play the game you are going to be lynchable at the end of the day. | ||
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On November 29 2016 17:59 Onegu wrote: The second and third best player in this game disagreeing. Very very interesting. Not sure what to make of it yet as the best player. Would have been funnier if you didn't type the last sentence. Now it is so obvious. | ||
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I agree that it would be impossible for them to figure it out on their own. | ||
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On November 29 2016 18:20 Holyflare wrote: Stop playing on a terrible phone? Never had a problem with gifs on an ancient phone even. so combative. Townies need to be nice and friendly to each other. | ||
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On November 29 2016 18:21 Holyflare wrote: Anyway work beckons, post more concrete reads please. And anyone going to update me on whether ows is in this game? He isn't. Emperor is somebody completely different and has played quite an amount of games here. | ||
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On November 29 2016 08:58 Tictock wrote: Kus he wanted to play a game and is throwing stuff around to get the game moving. Emp is a scum lean kus he's posting stuff but just jokey conversative [spoiler]Spell check tells me thats not a word, but I dissagree[/spoiler] things. Neither of these things mean much since the game has barely started. Someone wake me up when interesting shit has happened. This reasoning is a bit too weak for me. Explanation TT gave here feels textbook mafia answer. Safe generic reads. | ||
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1) Posted a gif and disappeared 2) Felt the urge to come back with 2 unexplained reads in a post that didn't progress the game. 3) When pressured on those reads gave a very generic answer. Look at that post. + Show Spoiler + On November 29 2016 08:58 Tictock wrote: Kus he wanted to play a game and is throwing stuff around to get the game moving. Emp is a scum lean kus he's posting stuff but just jokey conversative [spoiler]Spell check tells me thats not a word, but I dissagree[/spoiler] things. Neither of these things mean much since the game has barely started. Someone wake me up when interesting shit has happened. Generic reasoning to townread Onegu. Generic reasoning to scumread Emp. Downplaying his own reasons. Distancing from thread Bad stuff. | ||
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Shapelog is town. Mahrgell is town. LS is town. Darthfoley is town. List grows. | ||
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Shape can still be mafia but his post on NU also went the right way. Just wishy washy as fuck and that is standard town!Shape. He knows whats up but couldn't nail it yet. darthfoley just solid posting. Shouldn't be considered atm. LS is my bro. Town posting style. Onegu would be playing out of the box mafia. But he is out of the box tryhard mafia. But he is doing too good of a job atm. So not lynchable. HF disappointing atm. Hopefully picks it up. TT also mafia. | ||
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On November 29 2016 19:55 sicklucker wrote: silly koshi your not getting any more easy town reads untill you stop winning as mafia That's ok. I don't need townreads from you to transition from winning as mafia to winning as town multiple times in a row. | ||
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On November 29 2016 21:01 Checkm8 wrote: I dunno, this is just a gut feel but this seems scummy to me. Just a gut feel tho. My post or his post? | ||
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How was his post valuable? | ||
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On November 29 2016 23:04 Onegu wrote: I may be padding my filter just so people can be like holy shit onegu has a 5+ page day 1 filter that means he is scum, so I can reinforce my you cant meta read me. But I do think I got some content in there also. Maybe not... Pretty sure not. | ||
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Cool quotes at first sight but it is completely different to say "hi" at the start of the game, or what I did. I can see how town!Checkm8 makes that distinction. Do you really believe you found something scummy here? | ||
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"Please make the wrong assumption town" "Please call me town for finding this contradiction" Meh. | ||
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On November 29 2016 23:12 NeverUnlucky wrote: Or... "Explain this contradiction" with the infamous "zzzzzzz" Why can't you explain it? | ||
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Again. I ask you. Did you found this contradiction scummy the moment you saw it? Clearly you did, so tell us why. | ||
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LS is town for me till I say otherwise. Feel free to think differently. Checkm8 is a weaker townread but I like what he said previously, so unless his activity drops and/or says dumb shit he is green. | ||
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8. Checkm8 11. sicklucker 12. Ticktock I am left with these names. | ||
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On November 30 2016 00:50 mahrgell wrote: CM8 was a townream, TT was a scumread, no? I can't follow you again. Guess I better get used it. Yes. I was wrong on CM8. | ||
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On November 30 2016 01:03 Tictock wrote: What did Emp and Darth do that impressed you? Darth initial post was good enough for now. Obviously activity needs to be kept up. Emp we will see but I think him going after NU was ok. A lot of people said the same thing after he did and I think those are town. | ||
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On November 30 2016 03:38 emperorchampion wrote: @Koshi: 1. Rels 2. Holyflare 4. Onegu 8. Checkm8 11. sicklucker 12. Tictock Maybe only 1 of sl and c8? Waiting for c8 since I have something I'm curious about. Nha I don't think HF is mafia. But that read can flip in a second. | ||
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And why are you "amazed" from HF read ? Have you any expectation from HF ? Where does this come from? | ||
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You can't expect superb play from anybody D1. They are obviously trying to figure the game out. Both are chill and play active in the thread every time they entered it. | ||
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On November 30 2016 03:38 emperorchampion wrote: @Koshi: 1. Rels 2. Holyflare 4. Onegu 8. Checkm8 11. sicklucker 12. Tictock Maybe only 1 of sl and c8? Waiting for c8 since I have something I'm curious about. This is an extremely good list. Extremely good. | ||
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1. Rels 2. Holyflare 4. Onegu 11. sicklucker 12. Tictock that guy is not mafia. | ||
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Somewhat odd reasoning but I am ok with it now. I should check how he played in DotA mafia and how he played in the other game before that. But it was not like this. I killed him twice on N1 because it was obvious he was the only rational town with a full view on the game pushing the game forward each post he made. 24 into this game and I don't feel that at all. He has 24 more hours. And I think in those 2 previous games his posting before EoD and during N1 were a lot better than the first 24 h in the game. So he has time to redeem himself. But the pressure to perform is there. | ||
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On November 30 2016 06:53 Rels wrote: This is such a bad post. First, his read was "minor scumlean for that, but I hope he steps up". Second, he obviously won't think his NU read is scummy if he's town SINCE HE S TOWN. Third, you've played enough to know that it's normal to tend to scumread people that scumread you. I wanted to write this 10 hours ago. Really great that you said this. I don't know why I decided against it. I didn't want to break off HF his pressure I think. | ||
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On November 30 2016 07:01 Rels wrote: Koshi explain your townread on checkm8 ? His posts more likely come from town than mafia wifoming like a madman. I am a sucker for people that say this: On November 29 2016 23:28 Checkm8 wrote: Damn, I'm horrible at this. But believe me I'm town...because I'm not chocolate nor mocha... And the post in which he said I was mafia for being too nice. Don't know. It made sense when HF said it came more likely from town. Like.. Maybe with darthfoley the least likely townies? But I am going to take them into D2 most likely. But it is all about keeping up activity. If the activity drops we still have a problem. But I take into account we are 24h far and that they continue doing the same. | ||
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His point is that he is now tryharding as town and breaks his meta... It's ridiculous because he hasn't done shit. | ||
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On November 30 2016 07:33 Rels wrote: I think SL is town He made 1 good point. But I don't think it is enough for him to be taken off the table. Did he say anything interesting that wasn't about Shape / copclaim? | ||
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On November 30 2016 07:37 Rels wrote: TIME T1: Onegu says something TIME T2 a few hours later: SL posts something TIME T3 another few hours alter: SL reacts to what Onegu says on T1 So that shows he read the game before posting at T3. So that means that (1) he read the whole thread but didn't tryhard to gain townieness from it and (2) posted randomly in the thread wihtout following it at all at T2, which you tend to not do as scum. I guess ? It sounded better in my head. I can see what you want to say. I as mafia was always very aware of that indeed. But it is not good enough atm for sl. Do you like NU? | ||
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That shape was not mafia for how he claimed cop. I liked how sl brought that to the thread. It had impact. It was new. And it removed all my doubt on Shape. Also not enough to townread him. But it's ok for now. sl is being absolute shit till he starts actual playing last games. It's great for mafia teams. Not so for townies as he stays a ?. Rarely gets close to lynched though. | ||
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On November 30 2016 07:42 Rels wrote: No apart from his big post which was townie. Exactly. That removed him from my scumlist. But his play is really not up to date. Also. Dat filter. He feels restricted in his posting. | ||
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On November 30 2016 07:41 NeverUnlucky wrote: Yeah, I found that last post to be townie as well. Why is LS obvious town to you? Pure meta and feels. I have played with him before. And he even had some good scumhunting somewhere. Well. At least interesting pressure. I completely forgot what it was but it was good. | ||
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On November 30 2016 07:45 Koshi wrote: Pure meta and feels. I have played with him before. And he even had some good scumhunting somewhere. Well. At least interesting pressure. I completely forgot what it was but it was good. No I am being incorrect. His play is just good. The meta is only a part. The feels are just townfeels I would have with everybody that plays like he does. Saying there is mafia between 2 people because it feels like there is, is bold and can come from a townie. Yes, it could be mafia trying to force town to pick a mafia between the 2 or so but that is not how I read that. It's all good. He is not mafia. | ||
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On November 30 2016 07:47 Rels wrote: This was a super shit point and Shape absolutely can fakeclaim cop as any alignment. Everybody can do anything. But I don't know. Doesn't feel like scum would do it there for shit and giggles. anyway, at that time, after he made that comment, I thought sl came out to play. He didn't. bad sl. | ||
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4. Onegu 11. sicklucker 12. Tictock 13. NeverUnlucky I think I am here atm. Finding the right one is going to be a pain in the ass. | ||
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On November 30 2016 07:51 Rels wrote: Let's kill HF. ##Vote Holyflare I am not against that. ##unvote ##Vote Holyflare | ||
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And I liked maybe some of his posts now that I reread them. I can see a townie asking those questions. | ||
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On November 30 2016 07:58 Rels wrote: Disagree. His "My early game is town I dare you to meta me" is exactly that. I guess.. but my point is that is almost too easy to scumread him. And that he doesn't seem to create a scenario where he can wiggle out of some votes. Like the "case" I made about his generic reads and distancing... That was pretty bad if you reread a bit as mafia. | ||
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On November 30 2016 08:16 NeverUnlucky wrote: Disconnected from the thread, no. Disconnected from your 1 on 1 with Rels, yes. There is no comment I can make or think of making in relation to your conversation and would much rather dive filters and understand others. Isn't the first time bro. At the start of the game as well. Town!NU would just post more (funny) shizzle and put himself in the conversations way more. Town!NU would dominate the conversation because he talks what comes to him and then others join in with him. Now you are always outside the conversations for some reason. If somebody can pinpoint me to a game in which you play like this, show me, otherwise this is a clear different meta than I am used to from you. | ||
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On November 30 2016 11:51 LightningStrike wrote: He is considered one of the best players regardless of his alignment to play. My biggest issue again is how quickly the wagon formed. Most of the time when a wagon forms fast that person is likely town or a weak scum player and hf isn't considered a weak scum player normally. second person who says this but I am pretty sure it is only Rels and I who voted him. And I pasted my voted after Rels to just give the wagon some more prominence. It's all good. HF is maybe not mafia but it is not because the wagon formed on him too quickly. Please disregard that idea. | ||
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On November 30 2016 12:52 emperorchampion wrote: This post is not natural to me. 1) No mention of c8 when he actually makes quoted post (2). After quoted post (1) comes out, NU goes to reference it. 2) Makes me think NU was filtering c8 looking for something that looks bad to push him on it. Thoughts? I agree. It is another disconnect play by NU. So it is true that NU was in the thread while the quotes happened and only a lot later NU mentions them together? Because I didn't check that. I also didn't like how he presented the quotes. I said something about that already. | ||
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On November 30 2016 16:08 emperorchampion wrote: I'm not maf, you're probably not either. Not understanding the high green reads on darth atm, so we agree on that. I can understand them. But NU and Rels both place him too high. It's ok atm still. Doesn't matter. He isn't the d1 lynch. | ||
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On November 30 2016 17:28 mahrgell wrote: Okay, I'm back! Just skimmed over everything. Anyone has something he wants to point me at? Otherwise I will probably go with another list post and chiming in my opinion on the current cases. Don't do a listpost again. Just try to find something interesting. Or talk about something that you think is possible and new information. Maybe a post that comes more likely from town than mafia? Or the other way around even! | ||
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Mafia to town 13. NeverUnlucky 2. Holyflare 4. Onegu 12. Tictock 11. sicklucker 3. Shapelog 6. darthfoley 8. Checkm8 9. mahrgell 10. emperorchampion 1. Rels 5. LightningStrike This list is created knowing that I really think NU is off his game. I know out of experience how hard it is to play mafia when you have a super conversational, super "post-literally-everything-what-pops-in-your-brain" type of town playstyle. A few things that pop out on NU: 1) Early game, the first pages, he was here but wasn't posting every other post, which already was odd to me. 2) Early game, a bit later, I made a comment I was sure he would be able to instant reply to if he was carefree town. But he didn't at all. Weird. (The same thing happened many times already, sometimes delayed though, if you poke a bear, the bear answers instantly, not after 50 minutes.) (I think he is mafia and knows he can't play making a post every other second so he tries to post every 10-30 minutes instead.) 3) Very small content (1-2 lines max) posts on LS, EC and TT early game. But with a very empty feeling. Only enforces the idea that he is watching the thread, but then only posts every 10-20 minutes just because he is mafia, and it isn't doing him favors. 4) He has an incredible hard time absorbing information. I can tell him a million times LS is not mafia, but he can't absorb it, and he also refuses to discuss it. Instead he comes with another story of "LS play is weirdish here" 5) Have you seen 4-5 quick posts back and forth from him with anybody? I have seen him do 40-50 with Calix before. 6) Disconnected with the thread. I already explained this. town!NU talks in the thread and people join him and his topic for conversation. In this game NU has issues joining conversations. Reason is most likely that he can't play "post-literally-everything-what-pops-in-your-brain" as mafia. Hmm. Yeah that will do for now. There is more ofc. Like the quotes he posted without information. It really felt like he didn't know what to do with it and was posting them so somebody else would reply and then he would reply reactively and maybe create something that looks like being involved. I just expect town!NU to have an idea in his head why these 2 quotes are not cool. Why they make somebody mafia. And entire theory in his head from looking at those 2 quotes for 1 second. Instead he has nothing. And when I challenge these quotes and say they are not a real contradiction and they can come from a town in a different situation. HE DOES NOT REPLY TO THAT. Instead he replies to another question I asked him in another post. The easier answer. oh well. I can keep going about this guy. ##unvote ##vote NU If NU is not mafia. He flips green. I think my list looks like this atm: 2. Holyflare 3. Shapelog 11. sicklucker 4. Onegu 12. Tictock 10. emperorchampion Nothing much changes but I have to admit I have a lot riding on the fact 3-4 people (Shape, EC, mahrgell and maybe ch8) somewhere after 10 hours in the thread all said the same thing about NU without it really being connected to each other. It felt like it were all townies seeing the same thing but not being to really nail it, also not bussing or trying to discredit a townie as mafia. But if NU is town, maybe I need to revisit it anyway. Shape falling off is very meh, that guy posts carefree as mafia or town, doesn't matter, but I feel as town he can has eventually a ton of really townie moments, while as mafia he just has a few townie moments. Rereading now after doing some work. | ||
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On November 30 2016 13:11 NeverUnlucky wrote: Town: Koshi, DF CM8, Rels, mahr, Onegu*** Mafia: SL tbh you asking me this makes me doubt that you are a mafia. You seem to want to try to understand me. good back and forth with EC. But as you can see. EC is the aggressor. NU is the defender. EC is town bois. NU is mafia!Koshi not having a good time. | ||
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And then he votes EC over NU. Completely wrong. That is why he is on spot 4 in the list. | ||
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Somewhere he makes a post which says "I am going to let Koshi control this thread and let his scumreads attack me for not doing a lot." Which is a VERY STRONG VOTE of confidence, because it means he agrees with my townreads and mafia reads. But since then he has been undermining me with little dumb posts while I just keep going strong and my mafia reads are still being underwhelming / plain mafia. Very odd this is. | ||
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I will put a lot of effort in soon to read EC again and again. But atm I can't see him be mafia. I even think he plays quite good as town atm. Changing your opinion on your main scumread on a whim back and forth, questioning your scumread are both top town qualities. It is when you change your opinion on somebody you don't talk about, to fit some agenda, that it is more likely mafia. But in the open on your top scumread? Nha. That is not mafia. | ||
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On November 30 2016 18:41 Holyflare wrote: It's not really odd. You didn't push me for pushing Margaret which I thought was very weird. You completely ditched your tt vote based on nothing when he plays the same way he's playing now (afk) as both alignments. You were posting about afking a lot and returning to not really post any follow up to anything. Like Margaret said, jabbing from the sidelines. Vote on me is whatever but it's incongruous with what you've been saying about me, "there's a reason hf might be town but it's not the speed of votes," "hf's posts sheeping me were cool and showed confidence in a read," "Margaret fell down a bit, maybe hf was right," and then you followed rels for some bull shit reason of "i didn't like that post." which is bs because like margarine is saying above in his new list "hf pushed me for correct things" so you and rels, your reasons for disliking me based on one post is bull shit when the person AGREES with what I've been saying about them. You post si much about how i could be town but then I'm second and even first in your list of mafia. It's crap. I don't hate your nu post now. But he did play this way as town in a recent game but that was d3 onwards so I'm hesitant to just follow it. Sl not pushing me and instead sheeping me is fucking weird when I'm pushing a new player. Being super fluent in the thread is a 100% town thread of mine Mr. Holyflare. You know how I play mafia after playing the last 3 games together. This is really really really not it. Not even close. So yeah, you stay on spot 2 or 3. | ||
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This is how I play town. I constantly change it up, I constantly push the thread forward and look to solve the game as fast as I can for my pleasure only. This is what I am doing. This is not what I ever did as mafia. So please. gtfo http://0.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com/82/61/f5657ea6e8a5225a9c0c692817d5bf5c-micdrop07.gif + Show Spoiler + eat that gif | ||
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On November 30 2016 18:47 mahrgell wrote: At least one thing connects HF and Koshi: Both have this unpleasant kind of "I clearly can't be scum, and this is proven" posts. Has this ever worked? Well... looking at Koshis recent scum wins (and late survival in D2), I guess it did. Well. Everybody makes posts that they can't be scum. Basically the point of the game. | ||
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On November 30 2016 18:50 mahrgell wrote: Anyway, to get back on track, let me repeat my theoretical question: If you have 2 players, both highly suspicious, but certainly not both can be scum at the same time. Lynch one or not? As I said, in IRL mafia with 3 scum alive, I wouldn't lynch either but wait and see. How about online with the more town favored numbers? Always lynch in them. Always. | ||
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On November 30 2016 18:58 Onegu wrote: The problem is Koshi knows you cant meta read me or compare me to any other players. I try to change my meta on purpose every few games because I enjoy rolling scum more and when I roll scum I want to last longer so I can play it more. Koshi actually trying to make me look bad is very concerning to me. You look bad on your own. I don't have to try. I am just pointing it out. | ||
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On November 30 2016 19:53 Holyflare wrote: All I know about rels is that he posted about Marcel and said that he/she was completely different to last game, complained about margarine's approach to the game being wildly different and bad and then voted me for pressuring his read. Margaret doesn't even appear in his scum list at the end of it. I think his read through was bad and achieved nothing, said nothing of note and then he left. He could very well be mafia. Ok. I need to reread but yes, I had a bad feeling based on nothing concrete yet. Going to see what he really talks about. | ||
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Ok. I need to reread but yes, I have a bad feeling based on nothing concrete yet. Going to see what he really talked about yesterday with me. | ||
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Mafia to town: 13. NeverUnlucky 12. Tictock 11. sicklucker 1. Rels 4. Onegu 2. Holyflare 3. Shapelog 6. darthfoley 8. Checkm8 9. mahrgell 10. emperorchampion 5. LightningStrike | ||
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My mistake. With Onegu vouching this hard on HF, and sicklucker basically doing the same I have to put HF quite low on the lynchlist. It's not that his posts are so incredibly bad. Rels, df and I put pressure in him. 2 people defended him hard, he said things, it's good enough for now. Progression is being made. 13. NeverUnlucky 12. Tictock 4. Onegu 11. sicklucker 1. Rels 3. Shapelog 2. Holyflare 6. darthfoley 10. emperorchampion 8. Checkm8 9. mahrgell 5. LightningStrike Sicklucker, Rels are both high because I expect things from them. Put EC a bit higher out of respect of other people their reads. But if TT/NU are mafia he is kinda confirmed town and I am living in that world. | ||
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On November 30 2016 20:49 sicklucker wrote: Its also pretty annoying when I call 3 people mafia and everyone ignores that and says "im not doing anything". Its really hard to find 3 mafia on day 1 you know Well... I think mahrgell is town. darth same. Care to convince me otherwise? Onegu/TT Do you have any reason to believe these 2 are town? | ||
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On November 30 2016 22:01 mahrgell wrote: Onegu: -->Koshi: I actually liked your last post, and as mentioned I have serious doubts about Koshi at this point. But I don't think he is a realistic D1 target so I would love to discuss him at night. If nobody joins your Koshi lead, will you come back to voting for "lesser evils" (or lesser goods, if we talk scumwise) or will you stay principled on Koshi, effectively abstaining from the vote? CM8: -->none: Can you stop playing clueless noob? Like I don't care if you are clueless or not. But you must have an opinion. Your strongest wording so far was some mistrust on NU (why? because others made good arguments on him?) and some weak stuff on Onegu. We are lynching someone soon. Can you become more concrete and post with a bit more confidence? If you were a dayvig, who would you shoot now? Why such difference in language? | ||
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On November 30 2016 22:12 mahrgell wrote: Hi, finally I have a vote! Was already feeling lonely. Cool. I already mentioned, that I see no point in filling the thread during the last half of the day with this discussion. Also I have you on Null, not on scum. I don't think a lynch on you is gonna happen, and I'm not sure I would even want that, and I'm pretty sure you know about the first part too. So cluttering the thread with it now is certainly not leading in a direction that is helping town. Which makes your interest in it only reinforcing my doubts. And honestly... I don't see any point in disucssing it with you anyway. So far all your answers have been "IM LOCK TOWN; YOU RETARD" and you obviously think this is how the convo is supposed to go. Nothing to argue then. I prefer to talk to others in this case. Skyrocketing up my scumlist. I am null? I have the most content of all. Please. Explain. Why. I. Am. Scum. Or. Null. | ||
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On November 30 2016 22:16 mahrgell wrote: No. And explained my reasons enough, Learn to fucking read. Throw your vote at me, call me topscum, blegh. I really dont give a shit. lolololol. the guy that is completely oblivious to why people are sharper when called mafia is now being a massive crybaby after 1 vote and somebody asking him to explain his read. Ok. So you call me mafia by proxy and refuse to explain your read at all. | ||
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On November 30 2016 00:08 mahrgell wrote: Yes, my scum leans are the unproductive ones. Should I mark it again for you? Day1 I search for those who don't play for town. I'm not as brilliant as you to instantly have a lockscum read on my first post. And why I made it? Simply because I dived all filters, was frustrated about the lack of anything. Would have loved something more concrete. But this game is quite asleep. Besides Koshi I don't see any initiative at all. Everyone else is at best dropping one liners commenting about their feelings. And this is honestly quite frustrating. So if this wot triggers some activity... Hey, I'm totally happy. Seems like townread? On November 30 2016 18:42 mahrgell wrote: On Koshi: Uhm, originally I wanted to post a large post on how Koshi dropped from my town reads and why at this point im back at completely neut on him. But I think this does not really concern the day, so maybe we should focus on the lynches for the remaining hours. I would still like to discuss this during the night though... from town to mafia to neutral without a single reason. On November 30 2016 18:47 mahrgell wrote: At least one thing connects HF and Koshi: Both have this unpleasant kind of "I clearly can't be scum, and this is proven" posts. Has this ever worked? Well... looking at Koshis recent scum wins (and late survival in D2), I guess it did. What is this? WHERE DID I NOT READ THE MULTIPLE TIMES YOU EXPLAINED YOUR CHANGE ON MY ALLIGNMENT? Where are these posts? | ||
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On November 30 2016 22:16 mahrgell wrote: No. And explained my reasons enough, Learn to fucking read. Throw your vote at me, call me topscum, blegh. I really dont give a shit. EXPLAIN EXPLAIN EXPLAIN | ||
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On November 30 2016 22:34 LightningStrike wrote: Side note: NU wagon formed even faster than what I thought it giving me a pause. If he's scum then scum just giving him their teammate via bussing for credit. If he's town then potentally two wagons on towns? At the same time I do think we should NU. Getting mixed feelings on this. Let's build a real slow wagon on Mahrgell. Join me! | ||
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On November 30 2016 23:04 sicklucker wrote: Like I have played against onegu mafia twice. and both times it was insanely obvious to me so much that i was doing assassination reads before he even flipped based on him being mafia and was right. dont see it here so far. Theres like context and acual thought and shit Is this true? You checked? Read filter? | ||
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13. NeverUnlucky 1. Rels 12. Tictock 4. Onegu 3. Shapelog 8. Checkm8 11. sicklucker 6. darthfoley 9. mahrgell 2. Holyflare 10. emperorchampion 5. LightningStrike It is somewhat annoying that the list shuffles so much but that's life. | ||
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Why did you say the wagon on UN formed quickly? It went slow as fuck. Each hours 1 vote and there are 4 votes now. | ||
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On November 30 2016 23:48 Onegu wrote: I will consolidate if I cant get a Koshi lynch, but I will need to look into who I would want to lynch if I cant get koshi. Tell the doctors to give you less hallucination drugs. | ||
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On December 01 2016 00:55 NeverUnlucky wrote: Koshi's case on me is great, but I'm town :/ Not sure it is possible you think that as town. | ||
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On December 01 2016 03:18 emperorchampion wrote: Think of it like activation energy at the moment. I'm possibly willing to move to TT, but I need a little push to get me out of my current state. Hmm. Rels is next in line I think. | ||
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On November 30 2016 23:43 LightningStrike wrote: Anyways I will be gone for a couple hours. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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On December 01 2016 03:35 Onegu wrote: Your progression on me is so weird. You keep saying I am fine, but then compare me to players like DI playing scum when you know I dont play like anyone else. You are putting things on me that are just not true. I am not saying you are fine. I do not know what you are. This is my problem with you: There is no way your goal this game is to be a player inside the towncircle. Instead you put yourself somewhere outside there, marginalizing yourself with reads so farfetched nobody will ever take them seriously, and you will survive, solely because nobody understands wtf you are doing and why you are doing it. And that scares me. And you started with this unbelievable shitty trolly w.e the fuck scumread on me from second 1 in this game. And for some magical reason it sticks. Even though so much happens. Nha. | ||
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On November 29 2016 08:45 Koshi wrote: town? Really? On November 29 2016 08:46 Onegu wrote: Dont believe you you rolled scum again Koshi. On November 29 2016 09:14 Onegu wrote: Dont listen to Koshi I know he just wants me out of the game. Because he now knows I will tunnel him into oblivion. Damn scummer. ##Unvote ##Vote: Koshi This is how it started. And it just sticks. Forever. | ||
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On December 01 2016 03:53 Onegu wrote: It was a joke at first. I always start trolly. Then you didnt give me a actual reason to town read you. Where in the game did you scumread me? Explain that. | ||
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On December 01 2016 04:04 NeverUnlucky wrote: What??? That's not what he said at all. That's literally what is standing in that post. Scum!Koshi told in scum QT that HF is lazy and that they should try to lynch HF. | ||
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I don't care about stupid statements like that. EC is obvious town. You knew it when you talked to him. You are forgetting it now because he is probably the easiest target that isn't mafia with you. His list is brilliant. I agree with everything he said. He has made a ton of posts that are more likely to come from town than mafia. And he did great analysis of posts + situations. And when he talks to you he always keeps an open mind but clearly tries to figure you out more. And when you talk to him you are defensive as fuck. But when he is not around you backstab him. If you are right and he is mafia and you are town. You got so outplayed you should be ashamed and full of respect. | ||
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My problem is less with how fast and more to do with who started it. Koshi in scum QT HF is being lazy day 1 lets get him lynched so we dont have to waste a bullet on him. Then people see koshi and start doing that. I really feel koshi is scum here again. This is so wrong. So wrong. A strong scum player wants a strong town player out of the game. And if one of the biggest things I can point toward koshi is he has some large brass balls and would want to go after HF. You thinking it is town to do so is much less. People dont want to lynch the better players day 1 as town. I want HF in this game if he is a question mark and I think he is town not a question mark. Because I know if he is town he will catch scum 100%. Koshi pushing a HF lynch is much more a scum tell than a town tell. While I like to remove ? players and pressure them, Onegu scumreads me for that. It says: "Koshi should not attack strong ? players, but he did, so he is mafia" | ||
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I am not interested in anything else D1. I will lurk the thread, you can ask me questions, I am not doing shit anymore actively though. | ||
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On December 01 2016 04:09 NeverUnlucky wrote: Also, you didn't even have time to read my post and the points i made against EC. Don't fucking talk to me if you're not going to read what I post. It also shows that you are not willing to reevaluate your read on me nor ec. I had the time and I read every single word. stfu. | ||
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On December 01 2016 04:16 darthfoley wrote: Can you explain why TT is out of your equation if you think emperors posts on him were really good and you've been scum reading him forever?? TT/Rels/Shapelog I want to keep longer in the game atm. TT is the worst out of the 3 but I also feels he gets a lot of flak and almost nobody defends him even a little bit. I can see him be town. He made a couple townie insinuations and also his early game can come from town. If you really want a towncase I can make it. But atm I do not want to lynch him. | ||
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On December 01 2016 04:20 NeverUnlucky wrote: His list IS YOUR LIST. His stances are easy everywhere, just read my post, it shows him scum-reading all the inactive and trolly players and not being able to commit a read on LS me and mahr. When am I ever not defensive as fuck? You wrote your case on me when I was not around. You said that Rels is likely to be mafia when he was not around. I am not the one who is getting outplayed here if he is mafia, you are the one to TR him. Shame. SHame. Shame. Yes, I also got massively outplayed. I agree, I even got more outplayed than you. Tis true. I also tend to mafia read people when they are gone. But I pressure them hard when they around and I want to read them. Look at HF, look at mahrgell. Then they easy my mind with good replies and I back off again. Rels will have to do the same. And the initial list from EC came before my first list. So he didn't copy me. | ||
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again. defensive as fuck. short message. That is your biggest scumread. You don't want to engage him hard? Throw all the suspicion you have over his head? You do that every other game I saw against your scumreads. Tunnel and massive pressure. This game? Little pussycat. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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On December 01 2016 04:35 darthfoley wrote: I don't like how HF/Checkm8//Rels/Shapelog etc have peaced out why is anyone townreading Checkm8? This man has been MIA for four years. Is this basically going to be a decision between NU vs. Onegu? Always get nervous when half the town disappears as the wagon forms. Meh paranoia. You can not just say, hey let's not lynch the guy who we all scumread and have good reasons for to be mafia, let's lynch the guy who is mia, without saying why we should lynch him. being mia is pretty null. These posts look townie. On November 29 2016 22:53 Checkm8 wrote: Because it's a little too friendly? I dunno, like I said, it's a gut read. And I didn't say that his post was unnecessary and aggressive and trolly, it's just that in most games I've played (ToS games) the friendly ones are usually evil roles trying to win town's affection or something. On November 29 2016 23:28 Checkm8 wrote: Damn, I'm horrible at this. But believe me I'm town...because I'm not chocolate nor mocha... On November 30 2016 15:36 Checkm8 wrote: Ok caught up. With recent posts I now think Koshi is more likely town than mafia. Rels might also be town. They're pushing town forward with each discussion they make. Scum circle for me is still NU, while I'm now scum reading Onegu. The latter seemed like he was commenting a lot early on and then suddenly went down a cliff. Also to note that nothing he said was actually with that much content, and that he's only poking some chosen people every once in a while. The friendly tone thing also applies to him. disagree? | ||
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On December 01 2016 06:02 emperorchampion wrote: This game you want to be part of town because town will be awesome. This game town will not slack. You will not slack because you are town. This game will be the game that demotivates every mafia team in 2017. HF get on board and do something. EC seems to be a pretty cool guy. | ||
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On December 01 2016 06:07 mahrgell wrote: Okay... also went through Rels filter again, trying to figure out why I had him on town before. Summary is basically: - His drop of suspicion on me felt weird. - his weird progression of "this is good" -"is it?" - "no it isnt" is very townish Uhm... yeah. I don't know, I suddenly feel like I would need more time to properly analyze his "cases" and points though. From memory I always felt like they were entirely in the realm of a townish thinking but many people have casted doubt on him. What is everyone elses thought on Rels? He is on spot 2. | ||
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Either NU is mafia and he gets himself lynched. Either NU is town and he gets himself lynched. Like it's not like he tries to divert to lynch onto somebody else in a sneaky way or something. Or put shit on somebody based on preflip association with NU. | ||
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On December 01 2016 04:35 darthfoley wrote: I don't like how HF/Checkm8//Rels/Shapelog etc have peaced out why is anyone townreading Checkm8? This man has been MIA for four years. Is this basically going to be a decision between NU vs. Onegu? Always get nervous when half the town disappears as the wagon forms. Meh paranoia. On December 01 2016 06:06 darthfoley wrote: Not voting (5): Holyflare, Shapelog, LightningStrike, Checkm8 That's only four names btw @ host. Would be shocked if all four were town. Fearmongering. No real substance. Proof stuff. Why isn't NU mafia? Why is x a better D1 lynch? | ||
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On December 01 2016 06:33 mahrgell wrote: This is the point I'm at. My problem is, that his posts also don't make any sense from town pov. Like it feels completely random. Hmm. I am not currently with my head 100% in the game but is he not just catching up? He said something, people got offended, and that's it? Was he pushing an agenda? I don't think so. | ||
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On December 01 2016 06:33 emperorchampion wrote: Let's wait for the flip first before concluding though. The flip doesn't matter. Even if NU flips town it is weird. Random paranoia and random accusations is never good. | ||
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On December 01 2016 06:31 Holyflare wrote: Wtf are you talking about "one post". You quite categorically stated that his play was entirely different from his last town game. My entire point on you is that you disliked his play, you disliked his posts and then he's not a town read but your vote ended up on me. This vote is bull shit because: A) the post you voted me for was AGREED BY THE PERSON IT WAS TARGETED TO as being correct. So your whole post and point was useless as shit. B) I am pushing the one target that you thought was playing completely different to his town game. I don't believe you come in the game and vote a person that is pushing someone you should believe is mafia from your own posts. You then return and basically flat out lie saying that Margo was looking good for a massive logical post but he wasn't even anything other than null for you after it. Basically you either town read him because of it and then your vote on me makes sense but then your list is a lie or you null/scum read him and my posts and aggression on him makes perfect sense and was good because you should be scum reading him and not pushing me due to him being well different from his town game. The vote on you kinda made sense for me as well. Like.. I see how it was illogical. But I also know that at that point in the game I also wanted to vote you. | ||
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On December 01 2016 06:41 Holyflare wrote: It makes sense for you because you were pushing mafia agenda and already disliked the tone of my early posts. It doesn't make sense for a guy that is watching me push someone that should be his scum read. Nha I did really well today. Regardless of who is mafia. Xcept if it is like EC/LS. | ||
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On December 01 2016 06:46 mahrgell wrote: woah? So you are calling Koshi+Rels as scum team, and also accept the NU kill? Game solved? No. He is saying I pushed mafia agenda as town. But I didn't. I'll accept town!MVP award after the game. | ||
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So about this MVP award... | ||
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On December 01 2016 07:07 emperorchampion wrote: WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO fuck yeah guys! + Show Spoiler + | ||
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4. Onegu 11. sicklucker 6. darthfoley 12. Tictock 1. Rels 2. Holyflare 3. Shapelog 5. LightningStrike 8. Checkm8 9. mahrgell 10. emperorchampion EC is now pretty much confirmed town till lylo. mahrgell played really throught the entire game. Almost impossible mafia due to play. Checkm8 is pretty low on the list due to townie posts and being on NU quite early. But is not confirmed at all. Will rise up if he slacks too much. LS I still like for town. He read town early game. He just fell off a bit. I don't think Shape his initial post on NU was a buss. I will need to reread. HF is a bit controversial/combative about things I don't really think he should be combative about. Will be hard to lynch this guy. The good news is I should be the doc target so HF can die to mafia KP. Rels should play D2 way more active than his D1. null. TT I feel could be town somhow, but took the wrong decision when he voted EC over NU. That is a BIG problem for me. BIG BIG problem. darthfoley showed face. All these posts about who is not voting and people who are mia upset me a lot. sicklucker I think is mafia. But he could not be mafia. But I think he is mafia. Come out to play sl. Onegu is mafia. | ||
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On December 01 2016 07:31 LightningStrike wrote: Rolf just saw the flip at I was right about 1 mafia in EC vs NU ^_^ I sorry I didn't vote I was taking plane trig test at deadline didn't think it would take 2 hours to do it. Yes baller read. Somebody gave you shit for that read. Probably NU but if it is somebody else you might want to check that post for TMI. | ||
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TT isn't. He could be anything. NU only touched him a little bit and it was very prudent. I can see them being buddies. darthfoley comes out extremely bad as well with that unwarranted out of nowhere townread. I think somebody else before also gave darthfoley a townread out of nowhere in a list. If that is true, it looks really bad for him, because I can see mafia NU taking over that read as it pushes his agenda. NU his push on sicklucker is interesting. I can see sicklucker bussing NU for that stunt. Hmm page 3 and 4 are harder to take things out of. I think he figured out by then he might become the lynch. Conclusions taken out of those pages might be reaching. | ||
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On December 01 2016 07:34 darthfoley wrote: Yea my EoD didn't look great but I always get paranoid EoD and it doesn't make sense for me as mafia to try to get another train going when 4 possible votes were AFK. I think NU set it up for a partner to take town cred. Will analyze l8r The problem lies in you attacking cm8 without any substance. That was odd and potentially you showing face. | ||
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On December 01 2016 07:45 darthfoley wrote: Also almost everyone has been town reading me this game so NU doing the same is kinda NAI No it isn't. Because he never says something about you. He sees town sentiment reads you as town. So he just copies that safe read because as scumbuddies it pushes the mafia agenda immensely to not question that read at all. mafia 101 | ||
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On December 01 2016 07:51 darthfoley wrote: Except I'm un town vanille, or een vanilla town It appears that is another thing you and NU have in common. | ||
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On December 01 2016 07:56 darthfoley wrote: No, cuz he was mafia He disagrees. + Show Spoiler + On December 01 2016 04:27 NeverUnlucky wrote: I have to go and can't be there before EoD. If I'm lynched, so be it, I didn't do my job of being town-read. Perhaps I really need to rely on other shit to be town-read. I'm VT fwiw. Good luck. | ||
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On November 29 2016 09:25 NeverUnlucky wrote: How so? I recognize myself in his all-over-the-place posts, and he's the townierest dude itt. Also, this is a town post, mang Is Onegu town? | ||
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Especially Shape his answer on EC his post was off. It didn't increase the pressure on NU at all, almost tries to take it away by talking about people that aren't NU. Which is odd seeing he starts the post with congratulating EC on making a post on NU. + Show Spoiler + On November 29 2016 13:37 Shapelog wrote: Oh my Canadian friend, you posted about the right thing. I get 1, and I think we both came to that conclusion. Can you explain 2) a bit more? Personally, I can understand the point he made, and it didn't feel like he was painting in. 1) He's talking about Onegu wanting more activity to happen and trying to cause more to happen. It was the "where is everyone" post. Personally opionons aside, do you think he could come to this conclusion based off his reasoning? 2) What do you make about my earlier post about LS tone? | ||
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3. Shapelog 11. sicklucker 12. Tictock 6. darthfoley 1. Rels 2. Holyflare 4. Onegu 5. LightningStrike 8. Checkm8 9. mahrgell 10. emperorchampion After reading filters. Gn all. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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On December 01 2016 13:37 Tictock wrote: I kinda hated his post where he went "Looks like it's NU or myself, but I hate Koshi so I'll vote Emp." Didn't even have the balls to vote Koshi despite calling him mafia for a good chunk of the day. Though I do recall he had said some stuff about you so it wasn't a totally random vote. Was there something that struck you? Good analysis of the situation. That and the 2 posts above that bring you to the townier site of the list. I think you are wrong on HF but I am not sure yet. | ||
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On December 01 2016 16:11 Holyflare wrote: I don't think df's recent posts look that bad. And then he says this. I completely agree. When your framer dies, I would not make the posts df made after flip. | ||
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On December 01 2016 17:38 Holyflare wrote: Stop hedging on me and just call me town. It's far easier. No. There are too many confirmed towns atm. You did start the game pushing Mahrgell, then somewhere Koshi and EoD tried to swap off NU towards Rels. | ||
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On December 01 2016 18:12 Holyflare wrote: I pushed mar when he looked bad, which you and rels have both admitted. I stopped pushing mar when he become productive and blatantly took my advice of not walls of text summary and instead questions. You also pushed mar, so unless you're saying you're mafia then...... I told people to vote nu over rels too and gained no credit for anything. No way I pass up that sweet free cred. I'm only pushing the people that look bad tbh. Maybe you'd like for me to not play mafia or something? You don't even know rels's alignment. Yes. You have some townie signs as well. But in this game we have the luxury to disregard 4 people as confirmed town so we can look into all remaining people critically. | ||
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On December 01 2016 18:43 Holyflare wrote: Nobody is confirmed town because of NU flipping. Some people look better though. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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3. Shapelog 11. sicklucker 4. Onegu 1. Rels 2. Holyflare 6. darthfoley 12. Tictock 5. LightningStrike 8. Checkm8 9. mahrgell 10. emperorchampion Reading TT his analysis posts during the night I cannot see this guy be mafia. Such clean and not forced reads + analysis. Really like that a lot. He doesn't force his ideas on anybody but they are good observations. He is focusing on the correct people. If shape is mafia, darthfoley is kinda confirmed town. There is no good explanation why he goes hard against his buddy Shape after his framer flips. I live in a world in which Shape is mafia so atm I have an extreme hard time seeing darth be mafia. Even if Shape is town, darth only comes into play because some questionable posts on NU and PoE, but would mafia show face so obviously? darth has a couple really townie moments (start of game, start of night) and some pretty bad moments (around NU lynch). Mafia players tend to make gray posts, darth isn't. So darth is not mafia? HF is being called "obvious town pushed by dumbasses" by 2 people that could be mafia. And my feelings say he could be town due to his laid back playstyle, which shows by the fact he is not trying to take control of the thread. The only thing I am missing is real hard push on mafia, one in which he convinces other people to vote mafia, but I don't know if he had to do that in this game yet. I also don't see any mafia agenda in his early play, as mafia and with NU looking this horrible, I think he would do something else than what he did here. Rels is probably town because he interacts with so many people. He looks for an interesting post, comments on it, and goes looking again. Doesn't seem there is any agenda in his play. Just needs more activity to remove doubt. Onegu will die if the people above him show any townie signs during D2. The NU spew is very weak. Other than that. Onegu has nothing going for him except SL vouching for him. Which makes it almost impossible not to lynch sl before Onegu. Sicklucker/Shape | ||
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You covered everything on why the Rels is mafia part so let me focus on the wifom town part: I ask Rels twice about directly about NU, and twice he answered and didn't try to overcompensate on his answer. So either Rels is a really good mafia player, (newbie mafia players feel like they need to say more useless words when talking about a scumbuddy), or he is town and NU was simply not on his mind. Look at how Shapelog talks about NU for example. It's always so longdreaded and wishy washy. Rels is quick, clean and decisive. I am not saying Rels is town, but if he is mafia his answers to those 2 questions were twice very clean. You got to know, as mafia you know your buddy is constantly under fire, and constantly you feel pressured talking about your buddy. While Rels is seemingly unaffected by that. | ||
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On December 01 2016 21:23 Rels wrote: Koshi was this the spew you called weak ? I think it makes Onegu super super likely town Let me live in my world in which I can lynch Onegu. | ||
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I like how the initial explanation, the tldr and the further elaboration are all the exact same sentence. | ||
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On December 01 2016 22:50 Rels wrote: DO YOU NOT WANT TO READ THAT MUCH TEXT + Show Spoiler + | ||
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NU attacked LS and EC in a way they are most likely both town. (Trying to convince town in multiple posts) The fake outrage on the sl push by NU is way more likely mafia on mafia. (He never really tried to convince people to vote sl, especially painfully obvious in that last quote. ) | ||
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His push on sl was completely different. | ||
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On December 01 2016 23:10 Rels wrote: Actually, I don't feel NU tried to get town to lynch EC until the very end. On the other hand I didn't reread how EC pushed him so from this view it might be different. I disagree on SL. That was at a point in his filter where NU had the liberty to chose any target. I think it's unlikely he went on a partner of his this hard over this little. Because that is why we lynched NU. As mafia he can't bring the fire he does as town. Ofc this also shows in the fact he can't get his scumreads lynched. BUT it is blatantly obvious he tried to "sell" the ls and ec scumreads to town. While he didn't try to sell the sl read. It looks possible that he just made something on a scummate that wasn't really that impressive to start with. It was a good out of the box case on a scumbuddy. | ||
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On December 01 2016 23:11 mahrgell wrote: @Koshi so do you think Rels is bad town or does that make him scum? Not sure where you are going here. Like you lock SL to be scum, then do you think Rels is desperately trying to defend him here? Or do you just think he is doing terrible "reads"? I don't know. sl is not locked scum at all. It is possible Rels and cm8 are mafia for example. And then this "bad" analysis is because Rels is simply not looking for mafia. I also dislike how he so easily in that analysis disregards or ignores everything else EC did. EC is almost never mafia just based on his posting. Even if NU flipped town I wouldn't call EC mafia. But Rels thinks EC is mafia? Very weak. | ||
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On December 01 2016 23:19 Rels wrote: Basically we agree that his treatment of SL and EC are quite different. But I think you're wrong deciding which is scummier and wihch is townier. Well that is incomprehensible for me. | ||
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On December 01 2016 23:22 Rels wrote: The bolded is wrong. I didn't plan to only focus on NU filter, I started to read his filter and started to make a post and finally it took all my time, and more actually. Good thing it's night time. Also, nothing is bad in my analysis, these are not absolutes tells but I think they are all quite good. about EC vs NU You are clearly not reading the posts between them carefully enough. NU didn't have conversations with anybody xcept with EC, which means it came completely from EC his side. But the way EC kept asking questions to NU with an open mind and the way NU kept painfully defending against it shows that it was not Mafia vs Mafia. That is almost 99% certain. Like... How can you even put EC at this point in the game as red.... | ||
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3. Shapelog 11. sicklucker 1. Rels 4. Onegu 8. Checkm8 2. Holyflare 6. darthfoley 12. Tictock 5. LightningStrike 10. emperorchampion 9. mahrgell Punishing some inactivity. | ||
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On December 01 2016 23:52 mahrgell wrote: Just read HF: Is he always such a tunnel dweller? He spends the first 36 hours with nobody except me, then goes on with focusing on Rels entirely. There is like one comment on DF, and a 2 post conversation with Koshi in his filter. All questions outside of that are blocked with excuses of him being too lazy to do that. Like his entire play can be seen as a super tunnely townie, or a scum player who uses the tunnel excuse to never talk about anything else. I guess he is on my Neut-pile too. Gimme vig, and I will shoot him for his name butchery though. If you have the same feelings D3, lynch him with everything you got and don't talk to him. Just lynch him. Gather your townie friends and lynch him. atm it is too early to judge. He is a bit underwhelming but mafia might need to shoot him anyway. | ||
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If I was mafia and not Koshi I would rb Koshi and kill HF. Unless I was really good at bluereading then I would RB my blueread. | ||
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setup 3 is pretty op for town. 2 cops basically vs no RB setup 1 is fair. but would the host go for the boring setup? | ||
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On December 02 2016 02:40 Holyflare wrote: My lynch pool/order is: Shape Sl if shape is town, off list completely if mafia Checkm8 Rels (confirmed town) Onegu Why can't shape and sl be mafia together? | ||
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Well. We will see what night brings. | ||
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On December 02 2016 03:17 LightningStrike wrote: Koshi what your thoughts on my added points about Shapelog being scum? I can see it be true. I also want to lynch Shape over everybody else atm. | ||
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On December 02 2016 04:31 Rels wrote: OK I read EC filter and I see what everyone else seems to think already. I don't see him and NU being partner. Attacking from the start + then naturally townreading him + then attacking him again for his bad post on C8 is a pretty strong not-partner indicator. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Maybe mahrgell is mafia and triggered me with his dumb shit. And as mafia he wants to buddy HF. I haven't read his filter yet. I also don't know the guy. Maybe he is a great mafia player. I just couldn't get passed Onegu/HF their filters. HF with 29 pages of filter I might have figured out. But Onegu? Auto lynch every game over people that actually play. | ||
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On December 13 2016 09:33 Onegu wrote: Comeon Koshi I actually played this game... I read you filter during D3 and it consisted of 4 pages yelling Koshi was mafia, being silent when Shape was lynched, and then yelling SL was not mafia during D3 and attacking TT who was lynching mafia SL. Yeah.... No words. | ||
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I read D1 and D3. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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