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Well... lets start with the early impression. This is probably the main reason for upping my opinion on him. Motivated, targeted posts at game start.
Pretty sure he can fake those targeted posts, but well, he didn't in the past games early stage.
Not sure he could fake the motivation though. At this point I was very sure he could not.
With my more recent concerns I could only explain this by him having some kind of trophy-hunting mindset, where he wants to show everything. Honestly something I would trust him to do form all I read from him, but still this initial feeling is holding me back the most on Koshi.
Something though, that annoyed me early already, was his utter refusal to talk about anything but his own shit. Anyone doubting him was wasting time or him simply refusing to give any reasons for his reads, because we don't need to know. (Sorry cant find the post right now... several ppl quoted it too) LS was locktown because trust me boys, CM8 flipped between all alignments while not even posting.
I simply never consider it a waste of time to have people talk about my own alignment, as it at least tells me somethig about them, where I have half the information. He can't tell me he has some super secret knowledge he doesn't want to share early day1. Sure, if a blue does that D3, or someone found the ultimate spew and wants to expand the case before revealing it.. go ahead. Early D1? Na.
This story then continues. Koshi cant be scum. At the same time his reads are getting less and less impressive.
Goes after HF, and calls him out for being offensive towards me. I would usually town read ppl for that. But Koshi? As full of himself as he is? Given his own post style? This looks more like taking cheap jabs, while scoring town points at the same time. And of course, no conversation with Koshi not telling the world that he cant be scum and it is completely impossible for him to play like this as scum.
Regarding NU: NU scum, ah no, NU town, ah no, NU lockscum with basically no new information again. (but now emp also chimed in... makes me rethink my judgement about emp... not sure who was looking for assistance here) I actually liked his latest judgement about NU Just cant follow any thought progression here. This all was available before. At this point this feels more like he had a large number of arguments prepped on NU and whipped them out when the stars were good.
This all still led me to him being neut though. His post on NU was good, just the progression and timing was shit. His start could be explained in weird ways to be scummish, but simple solutions are often easier and correct. But him calling out people for tone and friendliness, while being a dick all around, the complete refusal to accept any doubt on himself... Given his past games, this was basically how he played as scum there. Postulating he cant be scum (because double lynch in D2) and then trying to lead town. I have not read any townkoshi games. So it is entirely possible he plays the same as town. Just his wild claims, that this must be his town play is utterly bullshit.
What basically is tipping me at this point though is his sudden obsession with my doubts on him. I think I was in his townlist for most of the game, and now, with the day entering his final stage, he is suddenly obsessed with me doubting him? Did my doubt of his glorious personality suddenly make me topscum? Was he suddenly looking for a case on someone he called town all day? I already said I would be willing to discuss it at night so I really cant dodge that conversation. But do we really need it now? There is nothing more urgent few hours before deadline that discussing doubts on players who are not getting lynched anyway? I would very much prefer to keep the discussion on likely lynch targets while tracking the other players state of mind. But instead he suddenly wants this to turn into Koshi vs me. But I guess my doubt on him indeed made me scum now. Shit happens.
TLDR:
- townish opening, I liked his initiative and focus
- saying "I'm lock town, can't be scum" is utterly bullshit, when he played the same way the last couple of games.
- actively refusing to answer questions on how his reads come together is at least not helping town
- calling for others to play nice, lecture them about how to create a helpful town atmosphere while trying the "I'm king, follow me, don't question me" approach to the game is ... again bullshit.
- his case on NU was good, the thought progression and timing though was shit and feels unnatural.
- insisting on this Mahrgell vs Koshi is disruptive and again shit timing... and the tone is certainly not what he just demanded from HF towards me.
- I honestly have no clue where his vote on me is coming from except "MWAHAHA; YOU DONT CALL ME TOWN"
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that was my Koshi-post... forgot to add that on top
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On November 30 2016 23:19 Koshi wrote:
True. I did change my read on Rels a bit after reading that Onegu post. Or at least it sparked my interest in Rels.
Ok top 4 atm
NU
Mahrgell
Rels
TT
Cool, from Top3 town to Top2 scum because I doubted you. :D
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Ok cool. You might be town. It's not the worst post but it never shows where I am mafia. Just annoying to deal with. Which is not the same thing.
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On November 30 2016 22:19 LightningStrike wrote:Reformatting of old post: Just woke up: Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 17:29 Koshi wrote:On November 30 2016 11:51 LightningStrike wrote:On November 30 2016 11:41 darthfoley wrote:On November 30 2016 11:36 LightningStrike wrote:
Also kinda disliking the HF wagon that formed rather quickly but then again the last time I said about a wagon on HF forming quickly was when HF was scum so (shrugs). I mean his filter is basically calling mahrgell shit, not posting about anyone else, then saying he doesn't feel like doing shit. That's someone you prefer to keep around? He is considered one of the best players regardless of his alignment to play. My biggest issue again is how quickly the wagon formed. Most of the time when a wagon forms fast that person is likely town or a weak scum player and hf isn't considered a weak scum player normally. second person who says this but I am pretty sure it is only Rels and I who voted him. And I pasted my voted after Rels to just give the wagon some more prominence. It's all good. HF is maybe not mafia but it is not because the wagon formed on him too quickly. Please disregard that idea. Fair enough... Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 19:53 Onegu wrote:On November 30 2016 01:35 mahrgell wrote:On November 30 2016 01:25 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 30 2016 01:21 mahrgell wrote:
Btw, NU, what made you lean-T on Onegu? I recognize myself in him, and he's funny. I also think that his "Where is everyone?" and "SL was here then left..." posts were town. However, I don't think he's the most town itt anymore because he has yet to make a serious post which worries me. I can see where Koshi is coming from with the Dandel comparison. Off for a while Hm... I can't agree with your pro town arguments. Like you usually at least have substance. Not necessarily substance I agree with but you have something. If you were scum, and knowing your own meta, wouldn't you just fill up the thread as you usually do but drop the substance? Because this is exactly what I feel is happening with Onegu here. Being funny is not a towntell to me, sorry. (At best it makes him worth to keep around and kill him last. ^^) And not sure how those 2 quoted posts are townish, but well, early game vibes are rather subjective I guess so whatever. This is actually a fairly townish post. The changing of meta is something I do. He is wrong of course, but I do like where is mind is at with this post. On November 30 2016 05:11 LightningStrike wrote:
I here now. Not much has happened. I do think if one of EC or NU was scum it would be NU because he seems a bit opportunistic at times for his push on people (on me and EC) yet at the same he trying to solve the game more than EC. Plus the hidden LS rule that tends to happen: If someone is playing their game with me ever they would try to push me at someway. The only rule that is in this game is the onegu rule and I am not going to bring it up... On November 30 2016 07:20 Rels wrote:HF I hated that one post I quoted earlier. Rest of filter is meaningless. Actually this post is him further going deep down to a pointless argument, which doesn't show the "HF gamesense" Koshi was tlaking about at some point. On November 30 2016 00:51 Holyflare wrote:
I find it hard to believe that the discrepancy I've outlined has gone over your head. Your retort of mockery just furthers my conviction.
If I have to enlighten the dim witted then I shall. The discrepancy is quite clearly that the only questions you ask are targeted at your town reads, who you should be the least wary of, and none to your scum reads, who should naturally be the inverse. I dont like where you are going here. I am really town reading HF hard and the fact that he is more laid back here screams town HF to me. On November 30 2016 07:33 Koshi wrote:On November 30 2016 07:30 Rels wrote:On November 29 2016 23:04 Onegu wrote:On November 29 2016 22:50 Holyflare wrote:
Can you give me a quick breakdown of which people fit into which category in that post margarine?
Just a simple:
Would like to know more:
and
People solely expanding filter with no content:
I'm very intrigued. I may be padding my filter just so people can be like holy shit onegu has a 5+ page day 1 filter that means he is scum, so I can reinforce my you cant meta read me. But I do think I got some content in there also. Maybe not... Actually you're more tryhard as scum ? His point is that he is now tryharding as town and breaks his meta... It's ridiculous because he hasn't done shit. No my point wasnt tryharding it was posting more. I hate you keep trying to make me look worse than what is there and you keep doing it and you know you shouldnt when it comes to me. You say dont lynch me and then you are all kinds of false shade on me. And really is bothering the fuck out of me. On November 30 2016 07:48 Koshi wrote:On November 30 2016 07:45 Koshi wrote:On November 30 2016 07:41 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 30 2016 07:18 Koshi wrote:On November 30 2016 07:01 Rels wrote:
Koshi explain your townread on checkm8 ? His posts more likely come from town than mafia wifoming like a madman. I am a sucker for people that say this: On November 29 2016 23:28 Checkm8 wrote:On November 29 2016 22:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 22:53 Checkm8 wrote:On November 29 2016 22:00 Koshi wrote:Or explain to me how HF his post was not unnecessarily combative. And why me calling him out on a friendly way is mafia. + Show Spoiler + Because it's a little too friendly? I dunno, like I said, it's a gut read. And I didn't say that his post was unnecessary and aggressive and trolly, it's just that in most games I've played (ToS games) the friendly ones are usually evil roles trying to win town's affection or something.
On November 29 2016 17:08 Checkm8 wrote:
I'm siding with Onegu just because I play dota like him (bros)
And leaning scum towards LS because he plays league (dota before hoes)
And farming 15 mins for blink dagger is one that requires skill, something league players need to have :3
Calix is a girl! I thought girls are imaginary in the internet.
No srsly I feel that NU is scummy as he's trying to pull something out of thin air from LS' comments...I personally think that LS' comments were something that you throw in there as something friendly or something to start conversations with...using that as a scum read feels too shallow, tho it's understandable as there's nothing too concrete at day 1. Still leaning towards NU as scum. Damn, I'm horrible at this. But believe me I'm town...because I'm not chocolate nor mocha... And the post in which he said I was mafia for being too nice. Don't know. It made sense when HF said it came more likely from town. [...] Yeah, I found that last post to be townie as well. Why is LS obvious town to you? Pure meta and feels. I have played with him before. And he even had some good scumhunting somewhere. Well. At least interesting pressure. I completely forgot what it was but it was good. No I am being incorrect. His play is just good. The meta is only a part. The feels are just townfeels I would have with everybody that plays like he does. Saying there is mafia between 2 people because it feels like there is, is bold and can come from a townie. Yes, it could be mafia trying to force town to pick a mafia between the 2 or so but that is not how I read that. It's all good. He is not mafia. My problem with this is iirc he hasnt shown any thought about which one is scum he just says it is TvM with no thoughts about which is which and why. On November 30 2016 07:51 Rels wrote:
Let's kill HF.
##Vote Holyflare Yeah never voting HF. On November 30 2016 09:35 Holyflare wrote:
Anyway, still not capable of being productive in the slightest, sorry. Just really not feeling it. This is town HF 100% On November 30 2016 11:51 LightningStrike wrote:On November 30 2016 11:41 darthfoley wrote:On November 30 2016 11:36 LightningStrike wrote:
Also kinda disliking the HF wagon that formed rather quickly but then again the last time I said about a wagon on HF forming quickly was when HF was scum so (shrugs). I mean his filter is basically calling mahrgell shit, not posting about anyone else, then saying he doesn't feel like doing shit. That's someone you prefer to keep around? He is considered one of the best players regardless of his alignment to play. My biggest issue again is how quickly the wagon formed. Most of the time when a wagon forms fast that person is likely town or a weak scum player and hf isn't considered a weak scum player normally. My problem is less with how fast and more to do with who started it. Koshi in scum QT HF is being lazy day 1 lets get him lynched so we dont have to waste a bullet on him. Then people see koshi and start doing that. I really feel koshi is scum here again. On November 30 2016 12:58 Tictock wrote:On November 30 2016 12:01 darthfoley wrote:On November 30 2016 11:51 LightningStrike wrote:On November 30 2016 11:41 darthfoley wrote:On November 30 2016 11:36 LightningStrike wrote:
Also kinda disliking the HF wagon that formed rather quickly but then again the last time I said about a wagon on HF forming quickly was when HF was scum so (shrugs). I mean his filter is basically calling mahrgell shit, not posting about anyone else, then saying he doesn't feel like doing shit. That's someone you prefer to keep around? He is considered one of the best players regardless of his alignment to play. My biggest issue again is how quickly the wagon formed. Most of the time when a wagon forms fast that person is likely town or a weak scum player and hf isn't considered a weak scum player normally. I mean that may be true but i was unaware of this meta point when I voted on him. Never played a game with HF. If he's one of the best players it's equally suspicious that he's spent a strange amount of time on D1 beating the mahrgell horse to death. Especially considering it doesn't look like mahrgell will be one of the realistic D1 trains. This feels like a weird discussion. 3 votes is hardly a quickly formed wagon. I'm also not sure how HF being considered a good player is relevant to him being pushed like this. In fact I had the opposite reaction, that the people pushing him are more likely to be town given they were pushing a "stonger" player. HF being the player is pretty subjective as well. I'm probably biased, or maybe I just missed him in his prime, but I haven't seen why people have this opinion about him. This is so wrong. So wrong. A strong scum player wants a strong town player out of the game. And if one of the biggest things I can point toward koshi is he has some large brass balls and would want to go after HF. You thinking it is town to do so is much less. People dont want to lynch the better players day 1 as town. I want HF in this game if he is a question mark and I think he is town not a question mark. Because I know if he is town he will catch scum 100%. Koshi pushing a HF lynch is much more a scum tell than a town tell. On November 30 2016 13:04 emperorchampion wrote:On November 30 2016 13:02 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 30 2016 13:01 emperorchampion wrote:On November 30 2016 12:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 30 2016 12:52 emperorchampion wrote:On November 29 2016 22:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 22:53 Checkm8 wrote:On November 29 2016 22:00 Koshi wrote:Or explain to me how HF his post was not unnecessarily combative. And why me calling him out on a friendly way is mafia. + Show Spoiler + Because it's a little too friendly? I dunno, like I said, it's a gut read. And I didn't say that his post was unnecessary and aggressive and trolly, it's just that in most games I've played (ToS games) the friendly ones are usually evil roles trying to win town's affection or something.
On November 29 2016 17:08 Checkm8 wrote:
I'm siding with Onegu just because I play dota like him (bros)
And leaning scum towards LS because he plays league (dota before hoes)
And farming 15 mins for blink dagger is one that requires skill, something league players need to have :3
Calix is a girl! I thought girls are imaginary in the internet.
No srsly I feel that NU is scummy as he's trying to pull something out of thin air from LS' comments...I personally think that LS' comments were something that you throw in there as something friendly or something to start conversations with...using that as a scum read feels too shallow, tho it's understandable as there's nothing too concrete at day 1. Still leaning towards NU as scum. This post is not natural to me. 1) No mention of c8 when he actually makes quoted post (2). After quoted post (1) comes out, NU goes to reference it. 2) Makes me think NU was filtering c8 looking for something that looks bad to push him on it. Thoughts? I don't quite understand 1) :3 But I did not filter checkm8 when I did that post. The first quote was directly directed to me, so it was fresh in my mind, and the second one was made while I was online, so I made the connection. On November 30 2016 12:53 emperorchampion wrote:
@NU, to answer a previous question: started thinking you were looking pretty bad, went to thinking you were OK and should maybe be left alone, now back to looking pretty bad. Yeh, I figured that, I was asking why that is. Well at the moment I don't really understand where in the game you're at. So where are you at? I'm up to date, I was thinking of filtering SL before heading to bed (in 15-20 minutes). Who is town for you, and who is mafia for you? I dont like posts like this at this point in time. EC hasnt done much of anything and he comes into the thread with asking someone for reads. Seems lazy and wanting to look like he is contributing without actually contributing.... On November 30 2016 13:11 Tictock wrote:On November 30 2016 13:05 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 09:08 sicklucker wrote:
i just want to believe your not claiming power role but you probably are Nobody flagged this????????????? This is so fucking scummy, it's like Lunaticman's entry in that other newbie game where he blue read Stutters for [reasons?]. Why in the world would his reaction to LS asking others to trust him be that he is a PR? LS has a bit of a history of claiming blue unnecessarily or way too early, pretty sure that was a jab at that. It's a fairly old meta though. I find this less strange than the people who took Shapes cop claim seriously. LS knows I am in this game and he knows a very good way to destroy onegus sanity and make in go off the deep end fully onto LS is to make a serious claim day 1. On November 30 2016 13:42 LightningStrike wrote:On November 30 2016 12:58 Tictock wrote:On November 30 2016 12:01 darthfoley wrote:On November 30 2016 11:51 LightningStrike wrote:On November 30 2016 11:41 darthfoley wrote:On November 30 2016 11:36 LightningStrike wrote:
Also kinda disliking the HF wagon that formed rather quickly but then again the last time I said about a wagon on HF forming quickly was when HF was scum so (shrugs). I mean his filter is basically calling mahrgell shit, not posting about anyone else, then saying he doesn't feel like doing shit. That's someone you prefer to keep around? He is considered one of the best players regardless of his alignment to play. My biggest issue again is how quickly the wagon formed. Most of the time when a wagon forms fast that person is likely town or a weak scum player and hf isn't considered a weak scum player normally. I mean that may be true but i was unaware of this meta point when I voted on him. Never played a game with HF. If he's one of the best players it's equally suspicious that he's spent a strange amount of time on D1 beating the mahrgell horse to death. Especially considering it doesn't look like mahrgell will be one of the realistic D1 trains. This feels like a weird discussion. 3 votes is hardly a quickly formed wagon. I'm also not sure how HF being considered a good player is relevant to him being pushed like this. In fact I had the opposite reaction, that the people pushing him are more likely to be town given they were pushing a "stonger" player. HF being the player is pretty subjective as well. I'm probably biased, or maybe I just missed him in his prime, but I haven't seen why people have this opinion about him. 3 in a small time frame is kinda quick tbh or my definition of quick. Anyways HF during his prime was probably the best player to had played the game as both alignments. Right now ask yourself why town Koshi goes after HF and not adapt a more wait and see. There are much more scummy reasons for Koshi to go after HF. Before the pressure on HF, HF floated the idea that Koshi is scum. Koshi knows that if there is one person in this game besides onegu who can push his lynch and get it done it is HF. In this Koshi is much more likely to be scum than town. On November 30 2016 15:49 sicklucker wrote:
ya i dont know why you morons want to lynch hf day 1. I would sheep him way before I would lynch him. I agree with alot of his points TRUTH On November 30 2016 17:29 Koshi wrote:On November 30 2016 11:51 LightningStrike wrote:On November 30 2016 11:41 darthfoley wrote:On November 30 2016 11:36 LightningStrike wrote:
Also kinda disliking the HF wagon that formed rather quickly but then again the last time I said about a wagon on HF forming quickly was when HF was scum so (shrugs). I mean his filter is basically calling mahrgell shit, not posting about anyone else, then saying he doesn't feel like doing shit. That's someone you prefer to keep around? He is considered one of the best players regardless of his alignment to play. My biggest issue again is how quickly the wagon formed. Most of the time when a wagon forms fast that person is likely town or a weak scum player and hf isn't considered a weak scum player normally. second person who says this but I am pretty sure it is only Rels and I who voted him. And I pasted my voted after Rels to just give the wagon some more prominence. It's all good. HF is maybe not mafia but it is not because the wagon formed on him too quickly. Please disregard that idea. Lol just LoL 1st off how Koshi was being lazy? Second of all I really don't think Koshi would be this happy as scum considering his recent history of rolling scum. Third the LS rule is a thing I even said it in some past game
I was talking about HF being lazy not Koshi
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Uhm, I said I have you on Neut. How often I have to tell you? I simply dont buy into your locktown shit. Only your latest stuff causes me to to slowly tip you towards scum. If I was hardscumreading you, I would push you D1, and not delay it to the night...
And I'm very thankful for your generous "you might be town". This really means a lot to me. Now I can sleep without nightmares again.
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On November 30 2016 23:08 LightningStrike wrote:On mobile: Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 22:48 Holyflare wrote:
Aren't you supposed to be figuring me put ls? Have you filter dive everyone yet and if so can you give your reads on everyone?
No and I'm not going to.
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And to the second point. Koshi wants to win. And if Koshi is mafia and HF town like I think Koshi wants to be HF. You cant use the he wouldnt be motivated if he was scum again as a excuse for Koshi.
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On November 30 2016 23:37 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 22:19 LightningStrike wrote:Reformatting of old post: Just woke up: On November 30 2016 17:29 Koshi wrote:On November 30 2016 11:51 LightningStrike wrote:On November 30 2016 11:41 darthfoley wrote:On November 30 2016 11:36 LightningStrike wrote:
Also kinda disliking the HF wagon that formed rather quickly but then again the last time I said about a wagon on HF forming quickly was when HF was scum so (shrugs). I mean his filter is basically calling mahrgell shit, not posting about anyone else, then saying he doesn't feel like doing shit. That's someone you prefer to keep around? He is considered one of the best players regardless of his alignment to play. My biggest issue again is how quickly the wagon formed. Most of the time when a wagon forms fast that person is likely town or a weak scum player and hf isn't considered a weak scum player normally. second person who says this but I am pretty sure it is only Rels and I who voted him. And I pasted my voted after Rels to just give the wagon some more prominence. It's all good. HF is maybe not mafia but it is not because the wagon formed on him too quickly. Please disregard that idea. Fair enough... On November 30 2016 19:53 Onegu wrote:On November 30 2016 01:35 mahrgell wrote:On November 30 2016 01:25 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 30 2016 01:21 mahrgell wrote:
Btw, NU, what made you lean-T on Onegu? I recognize myself in him, and he's funny. I also think that his "Where is everyone?" and "SL was here then left..." posts were town. However, I don't think he's the most town itt anymore because he has yet to make a serious post which worries me. I can see where Koshi is coming from with the Dandel comparison. Off for a while Hm... I can't agree with your pro town arguments. Like you usually at least have substance. Not necessarily substance I agree with but you have something. If you were scum, and knowing your own meta, wouldn't you just fill up the thread as you usually do but drop the substance? Because this is exactly what I feel is happening with Onegu here. Being funny is not a towntell to me, sorry. (At best it makes him worth to keep around and kill him last. ^^) And not sure how those 2 quoted posts are townish, but well, early game vibes are rather subjective I guess so whatever. This is actually a fairly townish post. The changing of meta is something I do. He is wrong of course, but I do like where is mind is at with this post. On November 30 2016 05:11 LightningStrike wrote:
I here now. Not much has happened. I do think if one of EC or NU was scum it would be NU because he seems a bit opportunistic at times for his push on people (on me and EC) yet at the same he trying to solve the game more than EC. Plus the hidden LS rule that tends to happen: If someone is playing their game with me ever they would try to push me at someway. The only rule that is in this game is the onegu rule and I am not going to bring it up... On November 30 2016 07:20 Rels wrote:HF I hated that one post I quoted earlier. Rest of filter is meaningless. Actually this post is him further going deep down to a pointless argument, which doesn't show the "HF gamesense" Koshi was tlaking about at some point. On November 30 2016 00:51 Holyflare wrote:
I find it hard to believe that the discrepancy I've outlined has gone over your head. Your retort of mockery just furthers my conviction.
If I have to enlighten the dim witted then I shall. The discrepancy is quite clearly that the only questions you ask are targeted at your town reads, who you should be the least wary of, and none to your scum reads, who should naturally be the inverse. I dont like where you are going here. I am really town reading HF hard and the fact that he is more laid back here screams town HF to me. On November 30 2016 07:33 Koshi wrote:On November 30 2016 07:30 Rels wrote:On November 29 2016 23:04 Onegu wrote:On November 29 2016 22:50 Holyflare wrote:
Can you give me a quick breakdown of which people fit into which category in that post margarine?
Just a simple:
Would like to know more:
and
People solely expanding filter with no content:
I'm very intrigued. I may be padding my filter just so people can be like holy shit onegu has a 5+ page day 1 filter that means he is scum, so I can reinforce my you cant meta read me. But I do think I got some content in there also. Maybe not... Actually you're more tryhard as scum ? His point is that he is now tryharding as town and breaks his meta... It's ridiculous because he hasn't done shit. No my point wasnt tryharding it was posting more. I hate you keep trying to make me look worse than what is there and you keep doing it and you know you shouldnt when it comes to me. You say dont lynch me and then you are all kinds of false shade on me. And really is bothering the fuck out of me. On November 30 2016 07:48 Koshi wrote:On November 30 2016 07:45 Koshi wrote:On November 30 2016 07:41 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 30 2016 07:18 Koshi wrote:On November 30 2016 07:01 Rels wrote:
Koshi explain your townread on checkm8 ? His posts more likely come from town than mafia wifoming like a madman. I am a sucker for people that say this: On November 29 2016 23:28 Checkm8 wrote:On November 29 2016 22:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 22:53 Checkm8 wrote:
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Because it's a little too friendly? I dunno, like I said, it's a gut read. And I didn't say that his post was unnecessary and aggressive and trolly, it's just that in most games I've played (ToS games) the friendly ones are usually evil roles trying to win town's affection or something.
On November 29 2016 17:08 Checkm8 wrote:
I'm siding with Onegu just because I play dota like him (bros)
And leaning scum towards LS because he plays league (dota before hoes)
And farming 15 mins for blink dagger is one that requires skill, something league players need to have :3
Calix is a girl! I thought girls are imaginary in the internet.
No srsly I feel that NU is scummy as he's trying to pull something out of thin air from LS' comments...I personally think that LS' comments were something that you throw in there as something friendly or something to start conversations with...using that as a scum read feels too shallow, tho it's understandable as there's nothing too concrete at day 1. Still leaning towards NU as scum. Damn, I'm horrible at this. But believe me I'm town...because I'm not chocolate nor mocha... And the post in which he said I was mafia for being too nice. Don't know. It made sense when HF said it came more likely from town. [...] Yeah, I found that last post to be townie as well. Why is LS obvious town to you? Pure meta and feels. I have played with him before. And he even had some good scumhunting somewhere. Well. At least interesting pressure. I completely forgot what it was but it was good. No I am being incorrect. His play is just good. The meta is only a part. The feels are just townfeels I would have with everybody that plays like he does. Saying there is mafia between 2 people because it feels like there is, is bold and can come from a townie. Yes, it could be mafia trying to force town to pick a mafia between the 2 or so but that is not how I read that. It's all good. He is not mafia. My problem with this is iirc he hasnt shown any thought about which one is scum he just says it is TvM with no thoughts about which is which and why. On November 30 2016 07:51 Rels wrote:
Let's kill HF.
##Vote Holyflare Yeah never voting HF. On November 30 2016 09:35 Holyflare wrote:
Anyway, still not capable of being productive in the slightest, sorry. Just really not feeling it. This is town HF 100% On November 30 2016 11:51 LightningStrike wrote:On November 30 2016 11:41 darthfoley wrote:On November 30 2016 11:36 LightningStrike wrote:
Also kinda disliking the HF wagon that formed rather quickly but then again the last time I said about a wagon on HF forming quickly was when HF was scum so (shrugs). I mean his filter is basically calling mahrgell shit, not posting about anyone else, then saying he doesn't feel like doing shit. That's someone you prefer to keep around? He is considered one of the best players regardless of his alignment to play. My biggest issue again is how quickly the wagon formed. Most of the time when a wagon forms fast that person is likely town or a weak scum player and hf isn't considered a weak scum player normally. My problem is less with how fast and more to do with who started it. Koshi in scum QT HF is being lazy day 1 lets get him lynched so we dont have to waste a bullet on him. Then people see koshi and start doing that. I really feel koshi is scum here again. On November 30 2016 12:58 Tictock wrote:On November 30 2016 12:01 darthfoley wrote:On November 30 2016 11:51 LightningStrike wrote:On November 30 2016 11:41 darthfoley wrote:On November 30 2016 11:36 LightningStrike wrote:
Also kinda disliking the HF wagon that formed rather quickly but then again the last time I said about a wagon on HF forming quickly was when HF was scum so (shrugs). I mean his filter is basically calling mahrgell shit, not posting about anyone else, then saying he doesn't feel like doing shit. That's someone you prefer to keep around? He is considered one of the best players regardless of his alignment to play. My biggest issue again is how quickly the wagon formed. Most of the time when a wagon forms fast that person is likely town or a weak scum player and hf isn't considered a weak scum player normally. I mean that may be true but i was unaware of this meta point when I voted on him. Never played a game with HF. If he's one of the best players it's equally suspicious that he's spent a strange amount of time on D1 beating the mahrgell horse to death. Especially considering it doesn't look like mahrgell will be one of the realistic D1 trains. This feels like a weird discussion. 3 votes is hardly a quickly formed wagon. I'm also not sure how HF being considered a good player is relevant to him being pushed like this. In fact I had the opposite reaction, that the people pushing him are more likely to be town given they were pushing a "stonger" player. HF being the player is pretty subjective as well. I'm probably biased, or maybe I just missed him in his prime, but I haven't seen why people have this opinion about him. This is so wrong. So wrong. A strong scum player wants a strong town player out of the game. And if one of the biggest things I can point toward koshi is he has some large brass balls and would want to go after HF. You thinking it is town to do so is much less. People dont want to lynch the better players day 1 as town. I want HF in this game if he is a question mark and I think he is town not a question mark. Because I know if he is town he will catch scum 100%. Koshi pushing a HF lynch is much more a scum tell than a town tell. On November 30 2016 13:04 emperorchampion wrote:On November 30 2016 13:02 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 30 2016 13:01 emperorchampion wrote:On November 30 2016 12:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 30 2016 12:52 emperorchampion wrote:On November 29 2016 22:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 22:53 Checkm8 wrote:
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Because it's a little too friendly? I dunno, like I said, it's a gut read. And I didn't say that his post was unnecessary and aggressive and trolly, it's just that in most games I've played (ToS games) the friendly ones are usually evil roles trying to win town's affection or something.
On November 29 2016 17:08 Checkm8 wrote:
I'm siding with Onegu just because I play dota like him (bros)
And leaning scum towards LS because he plays league (dota before hoes)
And farming 15 mins for blink dagger is one that requires skill, something league players need to have :3
Calix is a girl! I thought girls are imaginary in the internet.
No srsly I feel that NU is scummy as he's trying to pull something out of thin air from LS' comments...I personally think that LS' comments were something that you throw in there as something friendly or something to start conversations with...using that as a scum read feels too shallow, tho it's understandable as there's nothing too concrete at day 1. Still leaning towards NU as scum. This post is not natural to me. 1) No mention of c8 when he actually makes quoted post (2). After quoted post (1) comes out, NU goes to reference it. 2) Makes me think NU was filtering c8 looking for something that looks bad to push him on it. Thoughts? I don't quite understand 1) :3 But I did not filter checkm8 when I did that post. The first quote was directly directed to me, so it was fresh in my mind, and the second one was made while I was online, so I made the connection. On November 30 2016 12:53 emperorchampion wrote:
@NU, to answer a previous question: started thinking you were looking pretty bad, went to thinking you were OK and should maybe be left alone, now back to looking pretty bad. Yeh, I figured that, I was asking why that is. Well at the moment I don't really understand where in the game you're at. So where are you at? I'm up to date, I was thinking of filtering SL before heading to bed (in 15-20 minutes). Who is town for you, and who is mafia for you? I dont like posts like this at this point in time. EC hasnt done much of anything and he comes into the thread with asking someone for reads. Seems lazy and wanting to look like he is contributing without actually contributing.... On November 30 2016 13:11 Tictock wrote:On November 30 2016 13:05 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 09:08 sicklucker wrote:
i just want to believe your not claiming power role but you probably are Nobody flagged this????????????? This is so fucking scummy, it's like Lunaticman's entry in that other newbie game where he blue read Stutters for [reasons?]. Why in the world would his reaction to LS asking others to trust him be that he is a PR? LS has a bit of a history of claiming blue unnecessarily or way too early, pretty sure that was a jab at that. It's a fairly old meta though. I find this less strange than the people who took Shapes cop claim seriously. LS knows I am in this game and he knows a very good way to destroy onegus sanity and make in go off the deep end fully onto LS is to make a serious claim day 1. On November 30 2016 13:42 LightningStrike wrote:On November 30 2016 12:58 Tictock wrote:On November 30 2016 12:01 darthfoley wrote:On November 30 2016 11:51 LightningStrike wrote:On November 30 2016 11:41 darthfoley wrote:On November 30 2016 11:36 LightningStrike wrote:
Also kinda disliking the HF wagon that formed rather quickly but then again the last time I said about a wagon on HF forming quickly was when HF was scum so (shrugs). I mean his filter is basically calling mahrgell shit, not posting about anyone else, then saying he doesn't feel like doing shit. That's someone you prefer to keep around? He is considered one of the best players regardless of his alignment to play. My biggest issue again is how quickly the wagon formed. Most of the time when a wagon forms fast that person is likely town or a weak scum player and hf isn't considered a weak scum player normally. I mean that may be true but i was unaware of this meta point when I voted on him. Never played a game with HF. If he's one of the best players it's equally suspicious that he's spent a strange amount of time on D1 beating the mahrgell horse to death. Especially considering it doesn't look like mahrgell will be one of the realistic D1 trains. This feels like a weird discussion. 3 votes is hardly a quickly formed wagon. I'm also not sure how HF being considered a good player is relevant to him being pushed like this. In fact I had the opposite reaction, that the people pushing him are more likely to be town given they were pushing a "stonger" player. HF being the player is pretty subjective as well. I'm probably biased, or maybe I just missed him in his prime, but I haven't seen why people have this opinion about him. 3 in a small time frame is kinda quick tbh or my definition of quick. Anyways HF during his prime was probably the best player to had played the game as both alignments. Right now ask yourself why town Koshi goes after HF and not adapt a more wait and see. There are much more scummy reasons for Koshi to go after HF. Before the pressure on HF, HF floated the idea that Koshi is scum. Koshi knows that if there is one person in this game besides onegu who can push his lynch and get it done it is HF. In this Koshi is much more likely to be scum than town. On November 30 2016 15:49 sicklucker wrote:
ya i dont know why you morons want to lynch hf day 1. I would sheep him way before I would lynch him. I agree with alot of his points TRUTH On November 30 2016 17:29 Koshi wrote:On November 30 2016 11:51 LightningStrike wrote:On November 30 2016 11:41 darthfoley wrote:On November 30 2016 11:36 LightningStrike wrote:
Also kinda disliking the HF wagon that formed rather quickly but then again the last time I said about a wagon on HF forming quickly was when HF was scum so (shrugs). I mean his filter is basically calling mahrgell shit, not posting about anyone else, then saying he doesn't feel like doing shit. That's someone you prefer to keep around? He is considered one of the best players regardless of his alignment to play. My biggest issue again is how quickly the wagon formed. Most of the time when a wagon forms fast that person is likely town or a weak scum player and hf isn't considered a weak scum player normally. second person who says this but I am pretty sure it is only Rels and I who voted him. And I pasted my voted after Rels to just give the wagon some more prominence. It's all good. HF is maybe not mafia but it is not because the wagon formed on him too quickly. Please disregard that idea. Lol just LoL 1st off how Koshi was being lazy? Second of all I really don't think Koshi would be this happy as scum considering his recent history of rolling scum. Third the LS rule is a thing I even said it in some past game I was talking about HF being lazy not Koshi
Oh thought you did hard to read WoT posts -.-
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13. NeverUnlucky
1. Rels
12. Tictock
4. Onegu
3. Shapelog
8. Checkm8
11. sicklucker
6. darthfoley
9. mahrgell
2. Holyflare
10. emperorchampion
5. LightningStrike
It is somewhat annoying that the list shuffles so much but that's life.
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On November 30 2016 22:32 Shapelog wrote:
Also Onegu stole the way I catch up.
Thief!
Been doing it long before you even got on this site my friend.
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On November 30 2016 23:39 Onegu wrote:
And to the second point. Koshi wants to win. And if Koshi is mafia and HF town like I think Koshi wants to be HF. You cant use the he wouldnt be motivated if he was scum again as a excuse for Koshi.
I don't see his personality be able to play like this as scum after rolling scum like 5-6 games in a row.
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On November 30 2016 22:32 Shapelog wrote:
Also Onegu stole the way I catch up.
Thief!
How are you doing on catching up? I would like some fresh opinions here.
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Anyways I will be gone for a couple hours.
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@Onegu: lemme repeat from earlier
+ Show Spoiler +Onegu: -->Koshi: I actually liked your last post, and as mentioned I have serious doubts about Koshi at this point. But I don't think he is a realistic D1 target so I would love to discuss him at night. If nobody joins your Koshi lead, will you come back to voting for "lesser evils" (or lesser goods, if we talk scumwise) or will you stay principled on Koshi, effectively abstaining from the vote?
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Well. The good news is if NU flips mafia this game is so different it isn't even funny.
##Unvote
##vote NU
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On November 30 2016 23:44 mahrgell wrote:@Onegu: lemme repeat from earlier + Show Spoiler +Onegu: -->Koshi: I actually liked your last post, and as mentioned I have serious doubts about Koshi at this point. But I don't think he is a realistic D1 target so I would love to discuss him at night. If nobody joins your Koshi lead, will you come back to voting for "lesser evils" (or lesser goods, if we talk scumwise) or will you stay principled on Koshi, effectively abstaining from the vote?
I will consolidate if I cant get a Koshi lynch, but I will need to look into who I would want to lynch if I cant get koshi.
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@ LS
Why did you say the wagon on UN formed quickly? It went slow as fuck. Each hours 1 vote and there are 4 votes now.
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On November 30 2016 23:48 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 23:44 mahrgell wrote:@Onegu: lemme repeat from earlier + Show Spoiler +Onegu: -->Koshi: I actually liked your last post, and as mentioned I have serious doubts about Koshi at this point. But I don't think he is a realistic D1 target so I would love to discuss him at night. If nobody joins your Koshi lead, will you come back to voting for "lesser evils" (or lesser goods, if we talk scumwise) or will you stay principled on Koshi, effectively abstaining from the vote? I will consolidate if I cant get a Koshi lynch, but I will need to look into who I would want to lynch if I cant get koshi.
Tell the doctors to give you less hallucination drugs.
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