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I like your case on HF mostly for emotional reasons, because ruling out the possibility of HF running away with a scum victory appeals to me very much.
But I explained over and over again, why I think that the N2 play does not make sense for scum!HF, because you end with an additional day and a 2v1 lylo instead of 3v1 lylo. So regardless of HF's ego issues, I think it wouldn't have been a valid scum play there. Unless you tell me they all the time banked on HF getting this JK, and then him suddenly carrying the game. But imho the chance for a JK on SL was way higher than a JK on HF there.
So in short: the play makes sense, when you know HF gets the JK. But when SL gets JK'd it simply sucks, especially as it doesn't help HF at all to carry late and SL will probably still get lynched sooner or later and not make it to lylo.
And yes, I think HF would have enough discipline to carry the game home given the position he was in after D2. He didn't need all the shit we are having here right now.
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Ok guys I have been to the depths of the hell that is sl's filter and I'm very happy to call Maradona and darth town. SL's jk claim was around the time they were calling him out and the pressure from their posts that sl was quoting is when he "snap" claimed jk.
It's nice to read a filter every now and again. This is like the second one now.
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So if onegu is town it must be Emp. Hopefully ez game
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*waits impatiently for tt to return and shit up the thread with more pointless crap on me*
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I think Emps return is way more interesting than TTs...
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Nah it will be emotional non content :D
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On December 09 2016 04:14 Holyflare wrote:
Nah it will be emotional non content :D
Oh damn
Just catching up now, had a busy morning.
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On December 09 2016 00:13 darthfoley wrote:
Wanna see what TT Onegu and emp think
TBH I'm not really going to be able to post for a fair few hours. Didn't have time before work and just trying to stay up with reading on my breaks.
Just glad to see some solid conversation going now.
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On December 08 2016 16:48 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2016 15:02 emperorchampion wrote:
The thing I find odd about Mahr's response is that he doesn't immediately go after HF. In my mind if you're town and make some sort of random thing like that, if someone pushes surely you think the person attacking you is mafia? But maybe I'm not seeing things correctly here.
Also I don't see this as HF's path to victory, since surely it would be to get me lynched then to aim for Onegu / whoever in lylo. This is kinda a throwy move from HF if he's scum, since if Mahr is town then we go after HF next right? Okay... Could you start making sense, please? So basically you say I should instantly go after HF, and not doing it is scummy! And then you say HFs play makes no sense for scum. OKAY. Call me interested. You have more of those stories?
From my perspective, I would that that if someone made the posts that HF did if I randomly assumed that TT was town, then I would think they're making a scum play. Just found your reaction very unusual.
The difference between what you write here, and what I see, is in our perspectives. I have no idea your alignments, so given what I observed in this scenario, it makes more sense to me for you to be scum and for HF to be town. However, you know that you're town, therefore if someone is calling you out in that fashion I just imagine that the reaction would be to consider them scum. I find it really odd that you don't think he can be scum at all after that (from what I've read so far).
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On December 08 2016 18:29 mahrgell wrote:
And about Emp not standing this through, again... With everyone suddenly doubting him... this makes his play entirely correct.
And somehow he has been obsessed with you, which I still can't make any sense of (because yes... you were looking pretty damn scummy, sorry...) as it simply does not fit the game situation at all, no matter if he was certain on his 40% SL town post or not... And his night play doesnt make him look any better...
Like seriously... His play completely jumped off a cliff somewhere at D3. And as someone pinpointed earlier... It was the moment he was suddenly doubted.
Who am I obsessed with here, TT?
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Can someone give me some good reasons that I'm mafia. Like this "zero town thinking thing", that I assume is coming from TT's most recent case against me.
The issue with TT's case is that it's presented like this:
->zero town thinking
->some quotes
->sl/ec are mafia together
What this is really missing is 1) showing how the quoted posts don't show town thinking, 2) showing how this apparent lack of town thinking makes me scum. I haven't convincingly seen 2) at all this game with respect to me.
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darth I think is town, Onegu made my day yesterday so I'm fine with him, so I'll spend some time looking between HF and Mahr.
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There's also some wifom with sl posting in the thread with regards to Onegu's post. Can't remember if anyone brought it up, but 1) I don't think that sl would post that with regards to his scum partner, and 2) seems to indicate that maybe sl thought the game was over. My interpretation anyways.
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On December 09 2016 00:53 Holyflare wrote:
On the balance of probability :
Emp - very weird interactions day 1 with nu, reactionary and lack of content. When sl was claiming with rels he wasn't concerned with figuring it out at all, has to be forced to produce content but towny reaction.
Maybe.
You can pare down the second sentence on me btw. I became very interested in figuring it out after a bit more though. It probably seems pretty non-obvious from what I posted, but I really thought that rels was trying to make a mafia play. Then sl rescinded his claim, so I guess I'm glad I never wasted too much time on that. I have a bunch of shit in a .txt document at home I can post if you want some "content" or something.
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On December 06 2016 18:34 mahrgell wrote:
Good morning...
Went to bed feeling good.
Woke up, read thread.
Feeling great now.
There is not even a reason to invite shenannies anymore...
so...
##vote sicklucker
PS: If there is any interesting discussion left for me, it is:
If there is a scum between DF and Onegu, who is it? But this questions is kinda far away, I don't think it has to be asked, and if it is, I have a clear opinion on it.
Way ahead of your time m-god. Do you remember what you were thinking here? It's pretty non-obvious from your filter.
I dunno reading Mahr's filter, he doesn't look like mafia to me. The more I think about it, the less sure I am of darth. Onegu still OK with atm.
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Ok I got a minute so couple of things.
Gell, why do you call your post at start of day a joke?
I could see you make that post as Town, but I didn't respond to HF last night as I wanted to see your response. Calling it a joke feels weird to me and doesn't match what I would expect a town to be thinking when he makes those posts.
On December 08 2016 16:25 Holyflare wrote:
If you can explain to me how it's bull shit and how those posts make ANY SENSE WHATSOEVER then maybe you'll have a point.
"maybe you'll have a point"
Kind of an odd statement when you were super adiment about SL's flip confirming you Town before.
I'll sink in some time tonight and have off tomorrow so will dig into this game more then.
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The interactions between sl and mahr look really good for mahr imo. Reads like town trying to figure out sl, and I think it matches with Mahr's confusion at the time. So MvM here would surprise me.
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On December 09 2016 07:04 Tictock wrote:
Ok I got a minute so couple of things.
Gell, why do you call your post at start of day a joke?
I could see you make that post as Town, but I didn't respond to HF last night as I wanted to see your response. Calling it a joke feels weird to me and doesn't match what I would expect a town to be thinking when he makes those posts.
I called it a joke, because it was meant as one... Do you want me to make up some weird story how I made this post?
And I think I explained enough what my thinking was at that time. You want me to repeat it again?
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On December 09 2016 07:04 Tictock wrote:Ok I got a minute so couple of things. Gell, why do you call your post at start of day a joke? I could see you make that post as Town, but I didn't respond to HF last night as I wanted to see your response. Calling it a joke feels weird to me and doesn't match what I would expect a town to be thinking when he makes those posts. Show nested quote +On December 08 2016 16:25 Holyflare wrote:
If you can explain to me how it's bull shit and how those posts make ANY SENSE WHATSOEVER then maybe you'll have a point. "maybe you'll have a point" Kind of an odd statement when you were super adiment about SL's flip confirming you Town before. I'll sink in some time tonight and have off tomorrow so will dig into this game more then.
It's rhetoric, you can't because I'm town 
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