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On December 01 2016 18:12 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2016 17:40 Koshi wrote:On December 01 2016 17:38 Holyflare wrote:On December 01 2016 17:30 Koshi wrote:On December 01 2016 16:11 Holyflare wrote:
I don't think df's recent posts look that bad. And then he says this. I completely agree. When your framer dies, I would not make the posts df made after flip. Stop hedging on me and just call me town. It's far easier. No. There are too many confirmed towns atm. You did start the game pushing Mahrgell, then somewhere Koshi and EoD tried to swap off NU towards Rels. I pushed mar when he looked bad, which you and rels have both admitted. I stopped pushing mar when he become productive and blatantly took my advice of not walls of text summary and instead questions. You also pushed mar, so unless you're saying you're mafia then...... I told people to vote nu over rels too and gained no credit for anything. No way I pass up that sweet free cred. I'm only pushing the people that look bad tbh. Maybe you'd like for me to not play mafia or something? You don't even know rels's alignment.
Yes. You have some townie signs as well.
But in this game we have the luxury to disregard 4 people as confirmed town so we can look into all remaining people critically.
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On December 01 2016 18:43 Holyflare wrote:
Nobody is confirmed town because of NU flipping. Some people look better though.
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I think we auto lynch Shape and then I don't know. Many candidates that all have something going for them.
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I think sicklucker looks the worst by far.
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Good thing I keep this handy list updated. I totally forgot about sl after sleeping.
3. Shapelog
11. sicklucker
4. Onegu
1. Rels
2. Holyflare
6. darthfoley
12. Tictock
5. LightningStrike
8. Checkm8
9. mahrgell
10. emperorchampion
Reading TT his analysis posts during the night I cannot see this guy be mafia. Such clean and not forced reads + analysis. Really like that a lot. He doesn't force his ideas on anybody but they are good observations. He is focusing on the correct people.
If shape is mafia, darthfoley is kinda confirmed town. There is no good explanation why he goes hard against his buddy Shape after his framer flips. I live in a world in which Shape is mafia so atm I have an extreme hard time seeing darth be mafia. Even if Shape is town, darth only comes into play because some questionable posts on NU and PoE, but would mafia show face so obviously? darth has a couple really townie moments (start of game, start of night) and some pretty bad moments (around NU lynch). Mafia players tend to make gray posts, darth isn't. So darth is not mafia?
HF is being called "obvious town pushed by dumbasses" by 2 people that could be mafia. And my feelings say he could be town due to his laid back playstyle, which shows by the fact he is not trying to take control of the thread. The only thing I am missing is real hard push on mafia, one in which he convinces other people to vote mafia, but I don't know if he had to do that in this game yet. I also don't see any mafia agenda in his early play, as mafia and with NU looking this horrible, I think he would do something else than what he did here.
Rels is probably town because he interacts with so many people. He looks for an interesting post, comments on it, and goes looking again. Doesn't seem there is any agenda in his play. Just needs more activity to remove doubt.
Onegu will die if the people above him show any townie signs during D2. The NU spew is very weak. Other than that. Onegu has nothing going for him except SL vouching for him. Which makes it almost impossible not to lynch sl before Onegu.
Sicklucker/Shape
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Good analysis. I agree that Rels ignored NU his entire game except twice when I directly asked him. Which is very very bad.
You covered everything on why the Rels is mafia part so let me focus on the wifom town part:
I ask Rels twice about directly about NU, and twice he answered and didn't try to overcompensate on his answer. So either Rels is a really good mafia player, (newbie mafia players feel like they need to say more useless words when talking about a scumbuddy), or he is town and NU was simply not on his mind.
Look at how Shapelog talks about NU for example. It's always so longdreaded and wishy washy. Rels is quick, clean and decisive.
I am not saying Rels is town, but if he is mafia his answers to those 2 questions were twice very clean. You got to know, as mafia you know your buddy is constantly under fire, and constantly you feel pressured talking about your buddy. While Rels is seemingly unaffected by that.
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sicklucker bussed him because NU attacked him.
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sicklucker coming back to the thread and not change his vote but also not "attacking" or convincing people to vote NU is pretty poor town play.
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On December 01 2016 21:23 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 09:25 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 08:53 Koshi wrote:On November 29 2016 08:52 Tictock wrote:
Meh reading didn't give me much.
Town lean on Onegu, mild scum lean on Emp. Neither for very good reasons. Why a townlean on Onegu? He feels superforced. How so? I recognize myself in his all-over-the-place posts, and he's the townierest dude itt. Also, this is a town post, mang On November 29 2016 08:23 Onegu wrote:
Where is everyone? Koshi was this the spew you called weak ? I think it makes Onegu super super likely town
Let me live in my world in which I can lynch Onegu.
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last time sl bussed somebody unnecessarily it was because that person attacked him. I would look up the game but it was too long ago.
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I like how the initial explanation, the tldr and the further elaboration are all the exact same sentence.
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On December 01 2016 22:50 Rels wrote:
DO YOU NOT WANT TO READ THAT MUCH TEXT
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You are crazy if you think NU / EC is mafia on mafia.
NU attacked LS and EC in a way they are most likely both town. (Trying to convince town in multiple posts)
The fake outrage on the sl push by NU is way more likely mafia on mafia. (He never really tried to convince people to vote sl, especially painfully obvious in that last quote. )
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How you can say NU vs EC is mafia on mafia and NU vs sl isn't is beyond me.
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NU pleaded to town multiple times to get ls scumread early game, people said ls is town and NU kept going. Same with EC.
His push on sl was completely different.
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On December 01 2016 23:10 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2016 23:06 Koshi wrote:
You are crazy if you think NU / EC is mafia on mafia.
NU attacked LS and EC in a way they are most likely both town. (Trying to convince town in multiple posts)
The fake outrage on the sl push by NU is way more likely mafia on mafia. (He never really tried to convince people to vote sl, especially painfully obvious in that last quote. ) Actually, I don't feel NU tried to get town to lynch EC until the very end. On the other hand I didn't reread how EC pushed him so from this view it might be different. I disagree on SL. That was at a point in his filter where NU had the liberty to chose any target. I think it's unlikely he went on a partner of his this hard over this little.
Because that is why we lynched NU. As mafia he can't bring the fire he does as town. Ofc this also shows in the fact he can't get his scumreads lynched. BUT it is blatantly obvious he tried to "sell" the ls and ec scumreads to town.
While he didn't try to sell the sl read. It looks possible that he just made something on a scummate that wasn't really that impressive to start with. It was a good out of the box case on a scumbuddy.
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On December 01 2016 23:11 mahrgell wrote:
@Koshi
so do you think Rels is bad town or does that make him scum?
Not sure where you are going here.
Like you lock SL to be scum, then do you think Rels is desperately trying to defend him here? Or do you just think he is doing terrible "reads"?
I don't know. sl is not locked scum at all. It is possible Rels and cm8 are mafia for example. And then this "bad" analysis is because Rels is simply not looking for mafia.
I also dislike how he so easily in that analysis disregards or ignores everything else EC did. EC is almost never mafia just based on his posting. Even if NU flipped town I wouldn't call EC mafia.
But Rels thinks EC is mafia? Very weak.
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On December 01 2016 23:19 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2016 23:15 Koshi wrote:On December 01 2016 23:10 Rels wrote:On December 01 2016 23:06 Koshi wrote:
You are crazy if you think NU / EC is mafia on mafia.
NU attacked LS and EC in a way they are most likely both town. (Trying to convince town in multiple posts)
The fake outrage on the sl push by NU is way more likely mafia on mafia. (He never really tried to convince people to vote sl, especially painfully obvious in that last quote. ) Actually, I don't feel NU tried to get town to lynch EC until the very end. On the other hand I didn't reread how EC pushed him so from this view it might be different. I disagree on SL. That was at a point in his filter where NU had the liberty to chose any target. I think it's unlikely he went on a partner of his this hard over this little. Because that is why we lynched NU. As mafia he can't bring the fire he does as town. Ofc this also shows in the fact he can't get his scumreads lynched. BUT it is blatantly obvious he tried to "sell" the ls and ec scumreads to town. While he didn't try to sell the sl read. It looks possible that he just made something on a scummate that wasn't really that impressive to start with. It was a good out of the box case on a scumbuddy. Basically we agree that his treatment of SL and EC are quite different. But I think you're wrong deciding which is scummier and wihch is townier.
Well that is incomprehensible for me.
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At this point it seems like mafia can't grasp how townie EC looks.
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On December 01 2016 23:22 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2016 23:18 Koshi wrote:On December 01 2016 23:11 mahrgell wrote:
@Koshi
so do you think Rels is bad town or does that make him scum?
Not sure where you are going here.
Like you lock SL to be scum, then do you think Rels is desperately trying to defend him here? Or do you just think he is doing terrible "reads"? I don't know. sl is not locked scum at all. It is possible Rels and cm8 are mafia for example. And then this "bad" analysis is because Rels is simply not looking for mafia. I also dislike how he so easily in that analysis disregards or ignores everything else EC did. EC is almost never mafia just based on his posting. Even if NU flipped town I wouldn't call EC mafia. But Rels thinks EC is mafia? Very weak. The bolded is wrong. I didn't plan to only focus on NU filter, I started to read his filter and started to make a post and finally it took all my time, and more actually. Good thing it's night time. Also, nothing is bad in my analysis, these are not absolutes tells but I think they are all quite good.
about EC vs NU
You are clearly not reading the posts between them carefully enough. NU didn't have conversations with anybody xcept with EC, which means it came completely from EC his side. But the way EC kept asking questions to NU with an open mind and the way NU kept painfully defending against it shows that it was not Mafia vs Mafia.
That is almost 99% certain. Like... How can you even put EC at this point in the game as red....
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