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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 05 2016 12:37 GMT
#2061
Yes
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 05 2016 12:38 GMT
#2062
Aka it doesn't even make any sense, it just undermines NU but throws suspicion at LS but it's just a pointless post to comment on.
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
December 05 2016 15:03 GMT
#2063
On December 05 2016 20:37 Holyflare wrote:
I don't believe you're so hung up on SL's tmi yesterday and now you've completely forgotten about it and think he might be vt.

Did that tmi just vanish?


You could have read my EoN post. Then again why would you read anything I say, when your only answer will be
"you are shit, you are wrong" without ever giving any proper reasoning...

But to answer it again:
It was you who circulated the idea of him being VT first. This was later echoed by DF (i think?) and TT.
The entire idea did not cross my mind before it was brought up in the thread. In my book this originally was just the usual "desperate scum, trying to get a CC" play as I have seen it time and time again in RL mafia. So it was a reflex to throw it away. I never considered the implications of a night time claim and only did after you pointed it out.
But now you are suddenly questioning me, because I for once believed you made sense? Good stuff!

And with that...
And it absolutely puzzles me how you suddenly 180° on that shit. So either you are claiming to have the memory of a gold fish (which kinda goes against your "im the god of this game" ego trip) or you actually pulling some really weird stunt here... Like I'm trying really hard to find any way how your play is currently makes sense...
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
December 05 2016 15:04 GMT
#2064
On December 05 2016 20:45 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2016 20:27 mahrgell wrote:
On December 05 2016 20:17 Rels wrote:
On December 05 2016 20:11 mahrgell wrote:
Rels play doesn't make any sense to me if he is the JK (regardless of where the submission deadline is, which I believed to be at beginning of silence period too).

Why ?


I said this earlier:
- there is no point in claiming before EoN. You dying would have been the ultimate freak accident. You could have claimed after EoN
- i you really thought you die, those blocks were not really telling much. They are not conclusive to anything. Somehow everyone seems to believe HF was blockworthy N1... Then if he is scum, he certainly won't carry there. The N2 block somehow rules out a SL/HF team, I guess... Not sure here.
- if you thought you would die... why not drop reads? ANYTHING? Saying you had nothing to say is just... meh.
- your continuation on how you could confirm guys all the rest of the game again reminds me of your N2. The idea collapses the moment you really try to go that way. If you are not scum, you are dead next night unless you block scum. So you get exactly ONE chance. Thats it. And no, this is not making the game easy.

Seriously, there is exactly one reason to believe you right now. And this is the lack of CC.

You're really tunneled mate. p: Let's try once again :
- I'm gonna cc today no matter what
- Since I'm gonna cc, the best thing is to do it JUST BEFORE the end of night, because:
==> there is no cons to do it that way, since scum can't react to the cc
==> there is a pro: if for some reason I die (and, I undersatnd if you don't pbelieve it seeing my play these last two games, but I'm night killed quite often: click "Profile" for proof), my targets are in the thread


The huge con is, that if SL is VT and unclaims at day, you would not have to claim....

But as long as there is no CC to you, I simply have to believe you to be JK and see no point in continueing this argument. Doesn't make me think your play is correct, though but we can discuss this postgame.
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
December 05 2016 15:07 GMT
#2065
On December 05 2016 20:47 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2016 20:29 mahrgell wrote:
On December 05 2016 20:20 Rels wrote:
marhgell, the probability that SL fakeclaimed at night is like 0.01%; it's low to begin with, but here he posted after the night ended and didn't rescind his claim, which is the first thing he would have done as town.


You are really making me hate you right now.
If he is VT, fakeclaiming... Then for sure as hell he will not rescind his claim at day AFTER you claimed.
VT fakeclaiming will rescind when there is no CC. But when there is a CC, he basically has to go with it... And somehow hope scum is confused with the number of options.
This was basically my reasoning on why I was willing to drop the discussion... But well... yeah, by now even the last scum has probably figured this shit out.

You're not thinking logically. You gotta read this: IF SICKLUCKER IS TOWN AND FAKECLAIMING TO DRAW A BULLET HE WILL RESCIND IF HE S COUNTERCLAIMED DURING THE DAY.
Why would he not ? Why would he try to get me lynched when he KNOWS I'm the Jailkeeper ? Your reasonning doesn't make any sense


When did he try to get you lynched???
Not seeing it. Actually the thread consensus was to leave you both alone. And in this atmosphere, if he believes you are both protown, he should keep his claim for maximum uncertainity on who is the real one.

So again, who is not making sense here?
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
December 05 2016 15:08 GMT
#2066
On December 05 2016 20:58 Holyflare wrote:
Can mahr be mafia? I think it's emp but the amount of stubborn bs reads that margo has said is reaching new levels.

Was missing that already. You can't feel happy without doing one of those every couple of hours.
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
December 05 2016 15:32 GMT
#2067
At this point, I'm really split in my mind... But again, I will present my idea on how this game is currently going, under the assumption that Rels is indeed the real JK:

- at start of N2, VT!SL fake claims JK, as it seems like he is railroad lynch anyway and we repeat a shlog D2 with no progress at all. I can indeed see him prepping this move with the TMI on D2.
- in the thread 3 people clearly point out that he could very well be VT
- the absolute silence with nobody daring to talk about the claim afterwards kinda reinforced this idea, imho
- there were 2 people who actually initially doubted this claim and thought it was a scummove... LS and Me
- LS is shot at night and somehow Rels thinks he has to CC....
- cheers in scumQT
- now suddenly again everyone is jumping SL, making all scum dreams come true. Shot a guy, found JK, get another mislynch
- there is one noob who massively goes against another railroad, but hey... lets just afk, discredit him, whatever...
- SL is lynched, flips green
- Rels dies at night, because he misses his save
- we all happily lynch this fucking noob, cuz clearly TMI, must be scum
- GG

Like what really rings my bell here is, that nobody even sees the point of why it actually makes sense for VT!SL to play that way... Or well... more like: everyone refuses to see it.
My point is not " SL must be VT". His complete lack of D3 play is actually disturbing me greatly, because I would expect him to now contribute. He doesn't have to play Chaos anymore, he did his job.
But my point is that people are clearly willing to lynch him for shit arguments. And nobody is stepping up and noticing that those are shit, but everyone is letting it happen. And in the case of HF, we get this complete 180° from his night posts to his day posts.

Also I would like to again remind you of TT! What has he done so far people refuse looking into him? There is 2 people on him. Onegu and me. I have posted my reasons. Still the guy repeats few times how he has to wait for Onegus case. And Onegu is completely missing...

And HF tells us to never look at Onegu, because Emp and SL is all we have to look at...
So yes, I really have this TT+HF scum idea here in my head. TT could easily carry the NK both nights, with him always being in the middle of the pack.

Alternatively I still see TT+Onegu with Onegu basically just maximizing distance by "afkvoting" TT without any case and then jumping in later when he needs to or just staying afk.

I havent reread Emp yet (should really do that...) so im not sure if he would fit in that too.



And as there is seemingly no resistance at all to this railroad... Either scum stopped playing or they are really busy posting all kinds of celebratory gifs in their QT.
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
December 05 2016 15:46 GMT
#2068
ebwop: HF tells us to never look at TT (I wrote Onegu)
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 05 2016 15:47 GMT
#2069
On December 06 2016 00:03 mahrgell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2016 20:37 Holyflare wrote:
I don't believe you're so hung up on SL's tmi yesterday and now you've completely forgotten about it and think he might be vt.

Did that tmi just vanish?


You could have read my EoN post. Then again why would you read anything I say, when your only answer will be
"you are shit, you are wrong" without ever giving any proper reasoning...

But to answer it again:
It was you who circulated the idea of him being VT first. This was later echoed by DF (i think?) and TT.
The entire idea did not cross my mind before it was brought up in the thread. In my book this originally was just the usual "desperate scum, trying to get a CC" play as I have seen it time and time again in RL mafia. So it was a reflex to throw it away. I never considered the implications of a night time claim and only did after you pointed it out.
But now you are suddenly questioning me, because I for once believed you made sense? Good stuff!

And with that...
And it absolutely puzzles me how you suddenly 180° on that shit. So either you are claiming to have the memory of a gold fish (which kinda goes against your "im the god of this game" ego trip) or you actually pulling some really weird stunt here... Like I'm trying really hard to find any way how your play is currently makes sense...

On December 04 2016 08:24 Holyflare wrote:
I don't see how his view of Shape claiming cop and "trying to take a bullet" would influence sl to think any differently. His continued hounding on that part also suggest a hyper vigilance to blue claims, which I think a blue/mafia would be more concerned about.

The next day should make it obvious.



All of my what. Goldfish my fucking arse, I never called him vt.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 05 2016 15:51 GMT
#2070
On December 06 2016 00:03 mahrgell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2016 20:37 Holyflare wrote:
I don't believe you're so hung up on SL's tmi yesterday and now you've completely forgotten about it and think he might be vt.

Did that tmi just vanish?


You could have read my EoN post. Then again why would you read anything I say, when your only answer will be
"you are shit, you are wrong" without ever giving any proper reasoning...

But to answer it again:
It was you who circulated the idea of him being VT first. This was later echoed by DF (i think?) and TT.
The entire idea did not cross my mind before it was brought up in the thread. In my book this originally was just the usual "desperate scum, trying to get a CC" play as I have seen it time and time again in RL mafia. So it was a reflex to throw it away. I never considered the implications of a night time claim and only did after you pointed it out.
But now you are suddenly questioning me, because I for once believed you made sense? Good stuff!

And with that...
And it absolutely puzzles me how you suddenly 180° on that shit. So either you are claiming to have the memory of a gold fish (which kinda goes against your "im the god of this game" ego trip) or you actually pulling some really weird stunt here... Like I'm trying really hard to find any way how your play is currently makes sense...

On December 04 2016 08:24 Holyflare wrote:
I don't see how his view of Shape claiming cop and "trying to take a bullet" would influence sl to think any differently. His continued hounding on that part also suggest a hyper vigilance to blue claims, which I think a blue/mafia would be more concerned about.

The next day should make it obvious.



All of my what. Goldfish my fucking arse, I never called him vt.
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
December 05 2016 15:55 GMT
#2071
You never called him "town, but not necessarily JK". No, you certainly never did that.

On December 04 2016 07:37 Holyflare wrote:
Eithwr way I don't know how it makes me confirmed town since kp is carried I definitely wouldn't carry it. Also the fact that regardless of if SL is jk or not I think that claim makes him town.


On December 04 2016 07:44 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2016 07:42 mahrgell wrote:
On December 04 2016 07:41 Holyflare wrote:
"this should not change the lynch"????
We have 0 mafia targets right now.

Uhm.. I think this depends on if we buy the JK claim or not...


No it doesn't, it makes him definite town.


+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 05 2016 15:57 GMT
#2072
When did I even say not to look at tt?? I said tt and emp could be a team based on emo's treatment of tt the entire day 1.

I don't understand what the fuck you're saying here and how you can still conclude sl is vt. He's afkd, he's perpetuated the confusion. He could easily just rescind and end it. He even responded to rels and did nothing.

And if you think he could be mafia then I'm confirmed town unless you think they did the most retarded play on planet earth of having sl carry the kp.

It was only a few games ago sl saw me fake claim and lose the game. No way he does this as town.
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
December 05 2016 15:59 GMT
#2073
On December 05 2016 20:25 Holyflare wrote:
Who gives a shit anyway. Just go through emperor posts instead.


Your response to my "Why not talk about TT" post.

I'm getting tired of having to tell you all the stuff you posted...
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
December 05 2016 16:00 GMT
#2074
On December 05 2016 20:36 Holyflare wrote:
Because sl is mafia and emperor is mafia.


Actually this was the post I was looking for... This was your answer to me asking about TT.
Sorry about the last one.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 05 2016 16:00 GMT
#2075
On December 06 2016 00:55 mahrgell wrote:
You never called him "town, but not necessarily JK". No, you certainly never did that.

Show nested quote +
On December 04 2016 07:37 Holyflare wrote:
Eithwr way I don't know how it makes me confirmed town since kp is carried I definitely wouldn't carry it. Also the fact that regardless of if SL is jk or not I think that claim makes him town.


Show nested quote +
On December 04 2016 07:44 Holyflare wrote:
On December 04 2016 07:42 mahrgell wrote:
On December 04 2016 07:41 Holyflare wrote:
"this should not change the lynch"????
We have 0 mafia targets right now.

Uhm.. I think this depends on if we buy the JK claim or not...


No it doesn't, it makes him definite town.


+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Pre nk yes because it made sense then. But then he didn't die and rels ccd him.

Now he's done everything I've said above. He's afkd, said nothing, laughed in the sidelines and perpetuates confusion. That's not town sl.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 05 2016 16:01 GMT
#2076
Almost like new information changes opinions.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 05 2016 16:01 GMT
#2077
On December 06 2016 00:07 mahrgell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2016 20:47 Rels wrote:
On December 05 2016 20:29 mahrgell wrote:
On December 05 2016 20:20 Rels wrote:
marhgell, the probability that SL fakeclaimed at night is like 0.01%; it's low to begin with, but here he posted after the night ended and didn't rescind his claim, which is the first thing he would have done as town.


You are really making me hate you right now.
If he is VT, fakeclaiming... Then for sure as hell he will not rescind his claim at day AFTER you claimed.
VT fakeclaiming will rescind when there is no CC. But when there is a CC, he basically has to go with it... And somehow hope scum is confused with the number of options.
This was basically my reasoning on why I was willing to drop the discussion... But well... yeah, by now even the last scum has probably figured this shit out.

You're not thinking logically. You gotta read this: IF SICKLUCKER IS TOWN AND FAKECLAIMING TO DRAW A BULLET HE WILL RESCIND IF HE S COUNTERCLAIMED DURING THE DAY.
Why would he not ? Why would he try to get me lynched when he KNOWS I'm the Jailkeeper ? Your reasonning doesn't make any sense


When did he try to get you lynched???
Not seeing it. Actually the thread consensus was to leave you both alone. And in this atmosphere, if he believes you are both protown, he should keep his claim for maximum uncertainity on who is the real one.

So again, who is not making sense here?

He didnt rescind his claim when he quoted my claim -> he is putting town in a claim ear situation for no reason + I'm also a possible Lynch if people believe he's jk over me.
You're the one not making sense. You might have a really defined idea in your head but listen to people who have experience: sicklucker is NOT VT. You can decode he's jk or you can decide I'm jk.
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
December 05 2016 16:03 GMT
#2078
Hey thats great... Why are you now copying my arguments? Are you suddenly sheeping me?

So far all you ever blamed SL for was that he should not have survived (when half the thread including you propagated the idea that he may be town, but not JK)
You never once mentioned his D3 behaviour. It was only me who did.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 05 2016 16:06 GMT
#2079
I've got a good case out on emperor, excuse me while I don't want to acknowledge you when you ignore it. If you're mafia you're doing a good job of trying to annoy me.

What more does this do other than nothing? You complain I don't put out content and don't read it when I do. Then whine about how I change my mind when I find new information and quite CLEARLY use it to insult me as a person instead of it having any game relevance.

If you think I'm mafia push me and give reasons why because for 4+ days you've just thrown petty accusations my way. Either put your vote where your mouth is or don't mention me again because I sure as shit would kill ls over the person being petulant.

What have I done today to annoy you this time? Try and solve the game? Every summary post you make is just a dig at me. I post fluidly what's on my mind in a second so, yes, it may be contradictory at times but that means nothing.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 05 2016 16:07 GMT
#2080
On December 06 2016 01:03 mahrgell wrote:
Hey thats great... Why are you now copying my arguments? Are you suddenly sheeping me?

So far all you ever blamed SL for was that he should not have survived (when half the thread including you propagated the idea that he may be town, but not JK)
You never once mentioned his D3 behaviour. It was only me who did.

The last sentence is also pretty untrue - at least hf and I had multiple posts about SL yesterday.
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