[T] Dota 2 Mafia

On October 20 2016 08:55 iamperfection wrote:
why hopeless

On October 20 2016 09:05 iamperfection wrote:

you could argue the first 2 pages of posts were all that.

On October 20 2016 09:32 Hopeless1der wrote:
k so lamp, a large amount of dandel's posts are related to acro's rosh claim and me saying we oughta fite him. like read his (dandel's) filter, and then read ritoky's reason for calling me scummy. Does not compute imo.

On October 20 2016 09:42 Hopeless1der wrote:

Okay, explain your dandel read please, and also explain how the reasons given for finding me scummy do not apply to dandel.

On October 20 2016 12:17 HamazuraXTakitsubo wrote:
Exo looks like a VI to me and WoS looks a bit townie cuz reasons.....
Hopeless is giving me scum vibes because of him defending WoS.

On October 20 2016 12:30 HamazuraXTakitsubo wrote:

Because not revealing a TPro to town is more beneficial for scum

On October 21 2016 04:37 Skynx wrote:
LordTolkien's entry sucks so hard.

On October 21 2016 04:42 Lunaticman wrote:


I didn't buss anyone.

On October 21 2016 04:43 Skynx wrote:





Its like he's trying to be Palmar and people ignore him and he just walks off.

On October 21 2016 04:46 Lunaticman wrote:


I think I made at least 3 posts explaining why.

On October 21 2016 05:37 Acrofales wrote:

Lol. Why are btdt, h1 and WoS in there?

On October 21 2016 05:39 WaveofShadow wrote:

And yet a call to engage a seemingly disinterested waveofshadow to pay attention to the game?

Fuck your meta right in the ear, good sir, because for now I'm not voting him.

Will you be around later? Like...3h ish? I want to engage with someone fun.

On October 21 2016 11:53 Acrofales wrote:

Is that allowed? I thought that got forbidden after Chrono trigger mafia.

On October 20 2016 09:36 Bill Murray wrote:
Yeah well it's early not everyone has posted

On October 21 2016 17:25 Acrofales wrote:



The bold bit. Town doesn't win by avoiding getting lynched, that be scum that can win that way. Town can be NK'd, or worse, left alive as that one scummy town lurker for the easy lylo mislynch.

It's not evidence of scum on its own, as H1 is responding sarcastically to BM's flippant ignoring of the non-posters. But it is another drop in the bucket of of his scummy play style.

On October 21 2016 17:23 Tictock wrote:


I really dislike this list...

Putting yourself on top is such a dick move. Also you put almost everyone I'm considering to be scum atm in this list.

And clearly missed some obv town.

On October 22 2016 03:09 Holyflare wrote:
I think Ticktock would be a great lynch.

On October 22 2016 05:45 beentheredonethat wrote:
While we're at it, what do you guys think about the points I posted about harakiri?

On October 22 2016 21:22 Lord Tolkien wrote:
I was on my commute and posted more zzzz.

Btw mods, if you could move EOD back 1 hr that would be nice and convenient for me.


Also, wave. He says "dandel has my axe", fucks off, then comes back to make his (non-)vote on me instead of following dandel OR CONSOLIDATING ON AN ACTUAL WAGON like he couldve by looking at vote tallies for 15 seconds in the vote thread.

Either scum or super derpy and I dont know which, but he has a giant filter that mostly does nothing tbh.

I'll be at a Renn Fair rest of night phase/today so dont expect too many more updates this phase.

On October 23 2016 04:08 WaveofShadow wrote:

I already explained this.
Also Im pretty sure everyone I called scum this game immediately called me scum back.

Tolk, SL, ptmc, Btdt. Like clockwork

It's like the twilight zone

On October 23 2016 04:29 beentheredonethat wrote:

nevertheless, what do you think about my scumreads?

On October 23 2016 04:45 beentheredonethat wrote:

That strikes me as odd. Let me explain:

First of all, you brought your argument of a dumbtell on taco bell before already. I know that, so you're not adding anything new. Which is fine as I didn't raise anything new either but I wished that my scumread would make you re-read and reconsider. You chose to hard defend taco bell so you should be interested in doing a bit more than just dropping the same thing again, right?

Then, you say I'd follow thread sentiment. Except I was the one who started the Koshi wagon and pushed for it over the course of day 1. Going with Vivax isn't thread sentimenty as it's objectivally a good thing to lynch him. Same applies to Lunatic. Keep in mind that the goal of listing my scumreads is not to make myself town but instead raise awareness and get others to pursue those guys, too. You're not doing that, you're reading my list only in the context of beentheredonethat's alignment. Why do you focus so hard on me?

It's not directly scummy to do that, yeah, but I think there are plenty of people to talk about. If you choose to try to read me, then ask questions, read my filter or whatever, but don't sacrifice my reads. I actually want to talk about my reads. Please do so .

On October 23 2016 05:00 beentheredonethat wrote:


1) + Show Spoiler +
Sorry, not buying that. As simple as this. From an objective point of view, a jester role speculation is no town dumb tell. Nor a scum dumb tell. It's just a "I come from a different playing environment" dumbtell. Not less, not more.

2) Okay, point taken, but if you want to scumread me for following thread sentiment, wouldn't it be a good idea to actually mae sure that I am following thread sentiment? You said earlier you want me to not post 10000 scumreads but instead post 1-2 and focus on them. Okay, good point. Can you please do the same then?

On October 23 2016 05:13 beentheredonethat wrote:

A jester is a role that wins if he gets lynched before MYLO/LYLO. It is third party. I don't see a scum or a town dumbtell happening in the context of third party role speculations. It feels more like natural behaviour or a user that has not played on teamliquid before which is absolutely not alignment indicative.

I mean we're getting repetitive here. So let's drop that topic and agree to disagree. One last thing: you have locked taco bell as town by that dumbtell. You are seemingly not willing to reconsider that. Is that correct?

On October 24 2016 10:00 Lord Tolkien wrote:
1) I would really like it if we could find a way to confirm BTDT as town, despite his flagrant filter padding. That would certainly make this game easier. The best way would be for koshi to flip scum, but he is claiming the ability to double lynch, which basically confirms him town unless we don't get a double lynch. But then again, why the would he claim the ability to double lynch when there's obviously a mafia roleblock going around. That's actually a stupid thing to do even if you're under pressure from KP, it mildly makes sense given death will cancel the ability out (because it would probably fall under "other"), but actually. This is retarded and we likely have 0 way to verify because he'll never get it off.

So Koshi, please explain your double lynch more thoroughly and tell us why you'd claim it like this or die. Today, preferably. Because it makes no sense.



2) The complete lack of defense or attempt to deflect off of Vivax at all is mildly disconcerting. Plus he's on track to be modkilled D2 so...I'm not sold on the lynch anymore.

3) I'm going to assume Dandel is Schrodinger's scummer, since I obv. cannot read him from the 1 game i played with him.

4) Is HxT just confused noob town or mafia using noob shield. idk, could just kill him today instead of Vivax because he's using noob shield excuse, and if he actually flips scum I can confirm BTDT. But then again he might also be modkilled and replaced so argh.

5) So GB. Why haven't you done anything if you aren't scum. You're always low-key when scum and super-active as town, so tell me. Why shouldn't we lynch you today?

6) Fun fact, I get unblockable/unredirectable KP with my basic attacks now. coo'.

7) The fuck is with this 3p meepo claim. It mildly makes sense, but when 1 meepo dies all meepos die. But then again they decided to classify my hero as an offlaner, lul, so. I'll rule it plausible.

8) SL claims BS. Hrm. Hmmmmmm. What town role does checking HP even serve for town as opposed to mafia, who are better able to coordinate KP to kill off town.

9) I will reverse my call to kill Kurumi for today. Mostly because I don't trust wave still and mostly because I'll give him the benefit of the doubt in re. to time constraints. Even if all he's promising to do is give fucking lists.

10) meh, I like iamp, but then again I know he's not posting mostly because we're playing DotA.


I'm off to play DotA, but I'm prob going to give NocturneMage a read tonight to figure out why the fuck mafia killed him tonight. Might've been rolechecked D1 but eh, think it's probably his filter.

On October 23 2016 00:24 Tubesock wrote:


I don't totally agree with that. I think that it really depends on if WoS thinks he's a town leader and that there are better targets that mafia would go after and "order" LT or SL or you to hit.

I wouldn't necessarily think that anyone attacking me would be mafia and I know I'm town.

On October 24 2016 13:43 WaveofShadow wrote:
Pretty sure tubesock isn't scum, but I'm with you (or are you with me?) on the rest.
Maybe not Acro...?
Look at Artanis though.


The 'pocketing' has sort of continued since then so He's dropped a little for me, but overall I don't see anything particularly egregious.

Artanis just gives me all over scumfeels though.

On October 24 2016 13:52 WaveofShadow wrote:

This is pretty bad for Artanis I think. He's very discussion oriented but normally he also picks up on little things and is a very intelligent town player. For him to be playing detached and then be convinced by Skynx's responses rather than the way he plays I just don't think looks good on him. But again for Artanis for me it's still mostly a feels read. He doesn't FEEL good. Like I think town Artanis should have had a breakout case by now that causes a stir, and he hasn't.

What is the tier 3 damdred read? Whatever it is, you know he's capable of reading you even better if he knows your alignment, right? (assuming you're town and he's not)

On October 24 2016 14:15 ExO_ wrote:
Ritoky you are trying to mischaracterize me. I think Vivax should die, but I'm saying we should be talking about a 2nd target. Esp. if he's going to die of mod kill anyway.

I don't think it can hurt to at least talk about having another target if it looks like Vivax will die of Mod kill

On October 24 2016 14:24 ExO_ wrote:


So if weren't kill Vivax who would you want to kill?

Also where is Koshi?

On October 25 2016 07:36 sicklucker wrote:


yes? not i didnt read the last 12 hours + of messages so if hes confirmed town and I did that im sorry. But I think hes mafia

On October 26 2016 07:09 Skynx wrote:

What information are you looking for? We know he is mafia.

On October 26 2016 07:11 Dandel Ion wrote:
like i 100% was not roleblocked, it is proven.

On October 26 2016 07:15 Skynx wrote:

How would you analyse that? Say someone visited him, is he now confirmed town trying to attack Koshi or confirmed mafia, trying to take town Koshi down?

On October 22 2016 03:19 ExO_ wrote:


You say to vote Vivax, and then 10 minutes later say he is capable of playing as town like this and shouldn't be voted

On October 23 2016 02:48 Tubesock wrote:


Yeeeaaahhh.

Ok, so in your list post you have HF as town because of aggro and calling shots. Then said something about it being a meta read. Can you clarify? Specifically what's his meta? Does he not call shots and be aggressive as mafia?

So since you forgot Bill Murray and I in your list post, you didn't really think we were that scummy then?

And you're really annoyed at Ritoky for asking you twice to answer a question about LT's entrance?

Are you just that easily annoyable?

On October 31 2016 07:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
So scums theme was be belligerent and angry and omgus-y/noobish, or vivax.

I dunno if anyone else fits the bill
WE SCREWED

I feel better though about picking on ExO early on now even though he kicked me off his trail later

On October 31 2016 08:36 Koshi wrote:

Don't pretend to be stupid.

What do you do during day?