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On October 22 2016 08:40 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2016 08:36 NocturneMage wrote:On October 22 2016 08:29 sicklucker wrote:
Koshi was pissing people off and didnt really care about the game. Kind of somewhat standard koshi but he rolled mafia 3 or so games inarow so I would have expected him to try as town in a fun game like this. this is also how he was when I played against him in star wars minus the pissing people off part, but I haven't played against him in awhile, still good to know. i mean ya his play is not out of his town range (EXCEPT HIM NOT EVEN TRYING AT DEADLINE WHEN HE WAS A WAGON) The more I think on it. Hes just rolled mafia again and does not want to try. Its a double edged sword because I would also expect him to try when he has not rolled town in awile
@the allcaps, I kind of feel like if he'd have come in and done anything it would just draw more attention to him, ending up with more people willing to shennany onto him. I'm like 80% confident koshi is town.
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+ Show Spoiler [Claimed (HP)/{KP}] +,, 1  Bill Murray, (?), 2 Rels replaced by Artanis[Xp], (?),{Dandel} 3  Â Dandel Ion, (?), 4 Holyflare, (?), 5 Skynx , (?), 6 iamperfection, (9) 6 {Unknown}, 7 beentheredonethat, (1+?), 8 Lunaticman, (?), 9 HamazuraXTakitsubo, (?), 10 ptmc, (?), 11 ExO_Â , (?), 12 Acrofales, (7),{ Unknown} 13 Eversince replaced by NocturneMage, (5),{ Mod penalty} 14 Kurumi, (?), 15 Hopeless1der, (0), 16 ritoky, (?),<Roleblock by sicklucker> 17 Vivax, (?), 18 Koshi, (12), 19 GlowingBear, (?),"{Koshi, Iamperfection}" 20 sicklucker, (?), 21 WaveofShadow, (?),{sicklucker} 22 Tubesock, (?), 23 Lord Tolkien, (11),{Tubesock}
Well I broke my formatting, but its in a spreadsheet now so it'll be easier for me to keep it updated at least. I'll make a point to post an update every 20-30 hours. If I forget please yell at me.
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On October 22 2016 09:19 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2016 09:02 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 22 2016 08:40 sicklucker wrote:On October 22 2016 08:36 NocturneMage wrote:On October 22 2016 08:29 sicklucker wrote:
Koshi was pissing people off and didnt really care about the game. Kind of somewhat standard koshi but he rolled mafia 3 or so games inarow so I would have expected him to try as town in a fun game like this. this is also how he was when I played against him in star wars minus the pissing people off part, but I haven't played against him in awhile, still good to know. i mean ya his play is not out of his town range (EXCEPT HIM NOT EVEN TRYING AT DEADLINE WHEN HE WAS A WAGON) The more I think on it. Hes just rolled mafia again and does not want to try. Its a double edged sword because I would also expect him to try when he has not rolled town in awile @the allcaps, I kind of feel like if he'd have come in and done anything it would just draw more attention to him, ending up with more people willing to shennany onto him. I'm like 80% confident koshi is town. I don't think this is true at all. He can't "do anything" aka play as a town player, because somehow that will get him lynched? It makes 0 sense. My experience with Koshi isn't nearly as much as some of the other players here. But in my opinion he is always sorta trolly, but always tries to push town in the right direction. He's not doing that here, and that's why I attacked him. Koshi is at the top of my scum list right now, and you're incredibly flaky defense of him out of no where puts you next to him.
I'm referring explicitly to his actions at the deadline. Hell, even showing up in the first place after watching his movie was ballsy ass hell. I'm genuinely surprised less people jumped on him, which leads me to believe that the options are:
A) Koshi is scum
B) scum stayed on TT
or C) scum is afk/throwing away votes on outliers/replaced
I'm inclined to believe B&C at this moment, but I wouldnt be upset if koshi flipped. However, I have no intention of helping to flip him.
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On October 22 2016 09:23 iamperfection wrote:
should kill vivax probably. decided to do just enough and then fucks off again
kill HF with him imo.
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There's lots to discuss. Get reads out there to help set targets for night actions. Even if we dont coordinate, put your reads out there.
I want to lynch HF and lunaticman. I want acro shot for being afk at/leading up to deadline but being here just after night post.
Iamp and dandel are my current top town based on their actual play. ptmc is NOT modconfirmed, but for the moment is excused from any scrutiny.
Artanis and Nocturne get a free pass tonight from me. Nocturne is already catching up and I like his thoughts so far.
I have a stupid number of unknowns this game. I realize I'm probably one of them for everyone else, but more than half the game is in the null-zone: not scummy or towny enough to push/sheep. Can people please do things? This is disgusting when I'm not bottom of the barrel on post volume.
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On October 22 2016 09:38 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2016 09:24 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 22 2016 09:19 ExO_ wrote:On October 22 2016 09:02 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 22 2016 08:40 sicklucker wrote:On October 22 2016 08:36 NocturneMage wrote:On October 22 2016 08:29 sicklucker wrote:
Koshi was pissing people off and didnt really care about the game. Kind of somewhat standard koshi but he rolled mafia 3 or so games inarow so I would have expected him to try as town in a fun game like this. this is also how he was when I played against him in star wars minus the pissing people off part, but I haven't played against him in awhile, still good to know. i mean ya his play is not out of his town range (EXCEPT HIM NOT EVEN TRYING AT DEADLINE WHEN HE WAS A WAGON) The more I think on it. Hes just rolled mafia again and does not want to try. Its a double edged sword because I would also expect him to try when he has not rolled town in awile @the allcaps, I kind of feel like if he'd have come in and done anything it would just draw more attention to him, ending up with more people willing to shennany onto him. I'm like 80% confident koshi is town. I don't think this is true at all. He can't "do anything" aka play as a town player, because somehow that will get him lynched? It makes 0 sense. My experience with Koshi isn't nearly as much as some of the other players here. But in my opinion he is always sorta trolly, but always tries to push town in the right direction. He's not doing that here, and that's why I attacked him. Koshi is at the top of my scum list right now, and you're incredibly flaky defense of him out of no where puts you next to him. I'm referring explicitly to his actions at the deadline. Hell, even showing up in the first place after watching his movie was ballsy ass hell. I'm genuinely surprised less people jumped on him, which leads me to believe that the options are: A) Koshi is scum B) scum stayed on TT or C) scum is afk/throwing away votes on outliers/replaced I'm inclined to believe B&C at this moment, but I wouldnt be upset if koshi flipped. However, I have no intention of helping to flip him. can you explain in your own words why you think Koshi is town? from skimming your filter, it seems like your defence of him boils down to how others are pushing him (your parallel to holyflare), and I'm not seeing a coherent argument that people are pushing him for the wrong reasons. in short, how are you distinguishing bad town from mafia with koshi? ignore everyone else for a second.
My own personal meta that is liable to be very stupid and I don't want to share in the rare event I'm actually right.
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On October 22 2016 09:34 NocturneMage wrote:Lunatic is also rreaaaaaaalllllyyyyyy meh. On one hand he's calling holyflare mafia with no explanation other than opportunism but then we have luna/hf both pushing each other. same time though, lunaticman points out this discrepancy though.... Show nested quote +On October 21 2016 05:05 Lunaticman wrote:On October 21 2016 04:57 ritoky wrote:On October 21 2016 04:50 Lunaticman wrote:On October 21 2016 04:48 ritoky wrote:On October 21 2016 04:46 Lunaticman wrote:On October 21 2016 04:46 ritoky wrote:On October 21 2016 04:42 Lunaticman wrote:On October 21 2016 04:39 beentheredonethat wrote:
Oh I forgot about Luna
hardcore bus entry vs Koshi yeah? I didn't buss anyone. What, over the course of 2 hours, made you flip your read on HF? I think I made at least 3 posts explaining why. So omgus? haha yes you can say it like that if you want but it is more the way it was done. No reasoning just undermining my credibility with no reason and ignoring it as soon as possible, changing the subject from Koshi etc. Do you have any opinions on HF's read on me? I think it is very shallow as expected day one. It felt like he just wanted to assign blame to someone. Throwing the first rock if you will. I like your idea of building a town circle, that is always the most important thing the first two days. I'm also sad to see you say you will never play again maybe your just not in the mood. Also I'm off to bed nn. Show nested quote +On October 21 2016 22:55 Lunaticman wrote:On October 21 2016 22:39 Koshi wrote:
Hopeless1der and Lunatic are my preferred lynches for today. Going to vote with Acrofoles because I like his case.
##unvote
##vote Hopeless1der
p60 atm HAHA :D this made me laugh thank you. You don't want to engage me directly but now I won't let you slip between the cracks so you just try to shade me while voting someone else entirely. And you don't even post any reasons. It is intresting people are town reading BT and scum reading me although we both have the exact same read on Koshi. This smells like mafia trying to save mafia. and that double standard gives me pause, atm stuck on whether he's trying to skate by or whether he's someone who speaks in simpler sentences (if that makes any sense, basically someone who makes instinct reads...) but will need to revisit him after flips or more content.
I currently have some huge associative WIFOM between koshi, HF and Lunaticman. My read of koshi is town, and it really makes me hate HF and Lunatic. The fact that HF and Luna are weakly pushing each other gives me weak bus vibes, but again this is very associative. I will note that they've said the other is scummy but never voted to match.
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On October 22 2016 09:40 ExO_ wrote:Holyflare looks to me like the main push that started the wagon on ticktock. And when he makes his big case he says this: Show nested quote +On October 22 2016 03:28 Holyflare wrote:
There's an abundance of him defending fringe people, defended sicklucker, defended hopeless, defended GB. Defending gb is also another thing that doesn't make sense from his perspective, ritoky says that gb isn't pushing me and he usually does so it's scummy but tt defends gb while pushing that ritoky was scummy for not calling me out.
Why is ticktock defending SL/Hopeless/GB a problem? I might be tinfoiling a bit here, but if one of those people flips scum I think this means HF is also scum.
At the time those people were not obvious town (myself included). And your tinfoil means nothing. Not having a CLEAR townread on people means that reasonable doubt is 100% a thing.
HF's push on tictock and LACK of push on Koshi is what makes him scummy to me. However, his point about tictock defending fringe people is a good scum-motive. Obviously that was false, tictock flipped town, ergo his reads were genuine, but they dont make tictock correct either.
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On October 22 2016 09:41 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2016 09:36 Hopeless1der wrote:
I want acro shot for being afk at/leading up to deadline but being here just after night post. I thought he was pretty towny early on? I mean it's like Friday night and that alone gives a good reason to afk? I mean I get what you are saying but I think you need a stronger argument than being afk. unless you are implying what he said after the deadline was scummy and not so much his activity. you have a meta read on him I'm not aware of?
No but when asked if he'd be around at deadline:
On October 21 2016 23:48 iamperfection wrote:
Who will be here at deadline reply to this post
Acro responded:
On October 22 2016 00:01 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2016 23:48 iamperfection wrote:
Who will be here at deadline reply to this post Probably not. I will have my phone, but will be at a party, so should be socializing and not f5'ing a forum.
But 20 minutes after Night post
On October 22 2016 07:23 Acrofales wrote:
Wtf. Who derailed the Vivax train :@
I took 7 damage.
then spent ~30 minutes trying to figure out what happened to allow him to be hit by KP since the movement list didnt make sense.
Saying you'll be afk, then being here to complain, then not giving anything useful...rubs me the wrong way.
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On October 22 2016 09:45 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2016 09:41 Hopeless1der wrote:
I currently have some huge associative WIFOM between koshi, HF and Lunaticman. My read of koshi is town, and it really makes me hate HF and Lunatic. The fact that HF and Luna are weakly pushing each other gives me weak bus vibes, but again this is very associative. I will note that they've said the other is scummy but never voted to match. okay I can buy this argument to an extent, I need to see how holyflare was pushing others though to be a bit more sure of him. personally I did like at end of cycle how holyflare was questioning beenthere's wavering of why he wasn't voting koshi when the latter was calling for koshi's head all cycle though. as far as the non voting goes, I don't ever believe a holyflare wagon got traction and if I recall the voting thread right, luna had a small wagon but not really taking off. I can see town wanting to compromise and consolidate, so I'm not ruling that out either.
If I'm distracting you from catch up, ignore me. Its more important you get a full sense of the game than respond to me right now.
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yo WoS if you're around, explain your actions as deadline approached (i.e. the vote and why you ignored the wagons)
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On October 22 2016 10:04 WaveofShadow wrote:Ah I found out why I couldn't find the quite button. Show nested quote +On October 22 2016 04:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm not caught up but the rest of my day is going to be insane. Won't be around until after deadline.
If I can't see a good solid wagon to jump on I'll be throwing my vote on someone from my earlier list, so LT/GB most likely. On top of that, someone (I think it was Dandel) asked me before why I was going to shoot him and not vote for him, so I did both. Literally only had time to do what I did in between patients.
Did you take damage? how much?
(You can tell me you dont wanna answer if you have a reason to do so)
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On October 22 2016 10:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
There is never any reason not to claim damage.
I already claimed though, apparently sicklucker wanted to do shit to me, but it didn't work because I am pristine.
my bad, i skipped over your post. Who should we lynch tomorrow? Who should we shoot tonight?
+ Show Spoiler [Claimed (HP)/{KP}] +,, 1 Bill Murray, (?), 2 Rels replaced by Artanis[Xp], (?),{Dandel} 3 Dandel Ion, (?), 4 Holyflare, (?), 5 Skynx , (?), 6 iamperfection, (9) 6 {Unknown}, 7 beentheredonethat, (1+?), 8 Lunaticman, (?), 9 HamazuraXTakitsubo, (?), 10 ptmc, (?), 11 ExO_, (?), 12 Acrofales, (7),{ Unknown} 13 Eversince replaced by NocturneMage, (5),{ Mod penalty} 14 Kurumi, (?), 15 Hopeless1der, (0), 16 ritoky, (?), <Roleblock by sicklucker>17 Vivax, (?), 18 Koshi, (12), 19 GlowingBear, (?),"{Koshi, Iamperfection}" 20 sicklucker, (?), 21 WaveofShadow, (0),{ sicklucker} 22 Tubesock, (?), 23 Lord Tolkien, (11),{Tubesock}{WaveofShadow} ,,
If anyone notices anything not up to date, please point it out.
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On October 22 2016 10:20 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2016 10:09 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 22 2016 10:04 WaveofShadow wrote:Ah I found out why I couldn't find the quite button. On October 22 2016 04:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm not caught up but the rest of my day is going to be insane. Won't be around until after deadline.
If I can't see a good solid wagon to jump on I'll be throwing my vote on someone from my earlier list, so LT/GB most likely. On top of that, someone (I think it was Dandel) asked me before why I was going to shoot him and not vote for him, so I did both. Literally only had time to do what I did in between patients. Did you take damage? how much? (You can tell me you dont wanna answer if you have a reason to do so) Was there a point to your questioning or were you just curious? Hey HF, when are you gonna get your tits in here and talk to me? I'd like to know how in the fuck you could possibly want to kill me at this point (beyond the usual of course)
Just trying to keep my list up to date, I saw sicklucker claim to hit you but had you as a ? for damage taken because I derped.
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On October 22 2016 10:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
I still don't see any reason not to shoot Tolk, but if there is one I'd be glad to hear it. The most I've seen him care about anything is announcing that he wants me to die if/when he does.
Checking out the damages the targets are interesting. Koshi damage and Tolk damage are likely town, Acro and iamp are more likely to be scum (though it doesn't clear either of them from being scum themselves for fun reasons. Not that I think iamp at the least is scum).
We definitely need more people to claim their activity/damage though.
I love action speculating and stuff. Can't wait for dayphase
6/9 damage to iamp was self-inflicted afaik
What's your read on Koshi?
Are either of acro or iamp scummy to you for any reason?
I mostly agree with Tolk being a reasonable shot target, but I think there are better choices.
(As of right now,) Who do we lynch tomorrow?
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So how about giving me some homework?
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On October 22 2016 10:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh I get it, the ninja.
Yes.
Well.
Um I dunno, let's chat a while. It's how I do my best work (when I do any)
Important things to look at: is there anything to be learned from EoD stuff?
Who were people on, who switched to whom, when, and why?
We should sift through that.
My problem is that I believe koshi more town than mafia, so the wagons are meaningless to me. The EoD stuff is therefore useless for me to analyze. I dislike HF, lunatic and acro atm. I'd like to lynch Lunatic next, and I'd like to shoot acro most atm. Notwithstanding his rosh claim early on, he basically lied about his availability and showed up to complain about a) we didnt lynch vivax and b) kp speculation type stuff.
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On October 22 2016 10:43 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2016 10:40 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 22 2016 10:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh I get it, the ninja.
Yes.
Well.
Um I dunno, let's chat a while. It's how I do my best work (when I do any)
Important things to look at: is there anything to be learned from EoD stuff?
Who were people on, who switched to whom, when, and why?
We should sift through that. My problem is that I believe koshi more town than mafia, so the wagons are meaningless to me. The EoD stuff is therefore useless for me to analyze. I dislike HF, lunatic and acro atm. I'd like to lynch Lunatic next, and I'd like to shoot acro most atm. Notwithstanding his rosh claim early on, he basically lied about his availability and showed up to complain about a) we didnt lynch vivax and b) kp speculation type stuff. Acro is at least posting readable content. I don't think it's an amazing idea to shoot into someone like that when we have Glowingbear, for example. And so what if you believe koshi is more town than mafia? Do you believe Vivax is scum? If so you should probably be interested in how his train got derailed. If you think everyone under pressure was town in some way, then maybe it's in your best interested to see who spread their votes around?Gonna read Acro.
@the italicized, thats mafia playground...I'm not wasting my time trying to wade through the WIFOM there.
Shooting the likes of GB over acro has its merits though. I need to not tunnel people who think I scum since it happens so often.
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On October 22 2016 10:51 iamperfection wrote:
i doubt i had 3 dmg dealt to me i probably got healed by someone.
If you healed Iamp, dont tell us plox.
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