EPTOn October 26 2016 04:34 Skynx wrote:
You can ask questions here in meantime, I keep an eye on both tabs.
You can ask questions here in meantime, I keep an eye on both tabs.
Are you scum? Because that biggish post up there sure looks like it...
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On October 26 2016 05:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Hi brain=dead. We still murdering Vivax at night ye? Too much risk imo. Scum knows we really really want him dead. If there's ever a moment to blademail, shallow grave, remote mine or random other protection or pgo ability, this is it. | ||
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On October 26 2016 05:27 iamperfection wrote: On phone did lunatic ever pursue people on tick? There were posts about that, but I think it was btdt doing that legwork. | ||
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On October 26 2016 02:30 ptmc wrote: I was too late to make a reasonable switch. I came in with like 5-10 mins maximum, and that was not enough time to convince me of killing TT (one of my solid TR's) or Koshi. Since it didn't matter much for the final votes, I just stuck to what I knew, which was that Wave felt scummy. A lot of attacks are 5 dmg, i think. But coupled with this: we could maybe make something happen. I'll work on it tomorrow if it isn't done by then. And shit was i ever salty today. People in my office even asked if everything was ok. Anyway, because you derps don't even keep track of movements, I'll copy this from my spreadsheet. But srsly, movements are the easiest to track. Claims are tricky, but movement... here: Starting: Tictock Rels Vivax Holyflare Skynx iamperfection sicklucker beentheredonethat ExO_ Lunaticman HamazuraXTakitsubo Tubesock Bill Murray Acrofales Koshi Eversince ptmc Kurumi ritoky Hopeless1der Dandel Ion WaveofShadow GlowingBear Lord Tolkien N1: Bill Murray Rels/Artanis[Xp] Dandel Ion Holyflare Skynx iamperfection beentheredonethat Lunaticman HamazuraXTakitsubo ptmc ExO_ Acrofales Eversince/NM Kurumi Hopeless1der ritoky Vivax Koshi GlowingBear sicklucker WaveofShadow Tubesock Lord Tolkien D2: Bill Murray ptmc Rels/Artanis[Xp] Dandel Ion Koshi iamperfection Skynx beentheredonethat Lunaticman HamazuraXTakitsubo Koroko ExO_ Acrofales Kurumi Hopeless1der ritoky Vivax Tubesock GlowingBear sicklucker WaveofShadow Lord Tolkien N2: Bill Murray Rels/Artanis[Xp] Koshi iamperfection Skynx beentheredonethat Lunaticman HamazuraXTakitsubo Dandel Ion Koroko ExO_ Acrofales Kurumi Hopeless1der Vivax ritoky Tubesock ptmc GlowingBear Lord Tolkien sicklucker WaveofShadow The actual movements, or at least, my most reasonable guess as to what could produce these changes, in combination with claims: D1: Vivax -> Koshi sicklucker -> WoS ExO_ -> Acro (????? claimed hit Koshi) tubesock -> LT BM -> ticktock ptmc -> BM ritoky -> glowingbear Dandel -> Rels/Artanis glowingbear -> H1der (????? claimed hit Koshi) Note that there are some other ways of getting the list, in particular the bottom part. Instead of glowingbear moving to H1der, it could be that LT stayed put, and WoS moved up to LT, however that is counter claimed by both WoS and LT (LT claims he moved up to WoS, and WoS has not claimed any movement and I saw no reason in his filter to assume he hit LT in any case). Exo's position doesn't really seem unifiable with the claim. N1: Skynx -> btdt (????? claimed hit Iamperfection) tubesock -> vivax koshi -> holyflare ptmc -> BM koroko created between Hama and Exo There is one unexplained move. This could also be explained if iamperfection moved to attack koshi on N1. Iamperfection claimed "no attack". D2: ptmc -> glowingbear ritoky -> tubesock dandel -> koroko lord tolkien -> glowingbear All these moves line up with claims Converting from google docs to post format took longer than I thought. Guess it's time for a quick nightly reads too: Kill with fire: Vivax Koshi Lunatic Slow roast (from scummiest to nulliest): GB LT Hama (probly modkill territory :/ ) H1 Kurumi (can I use my wildcard on what the fuck he is?) ritoky Skynx Town in order of certainty: Iamp WoS Artanis btdt sicklucker Dandel (probably. downgraded because his activity is dropping) BM (probably) ptmc (probably) tubesock (least certain of the lot) Meepo: Exo (doesn't feel townie effort, but don't get a scum feel either). Koroko (duh) | ||
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On October 26 2016 07:13 Hopeless1der wrote: I got bloody trucked. Good lord. ##vote: Vivax I don't believe you. Well, that's not true. I just don't believe scum could have hit you. I got hit for a metric fuckton and btdt died, almost certainly to scum damage. | ||
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On October 26 2016 07:20 Skynx wrote: It's an indistinguishable visit, what you take from it depends on your interpretation? Yes. We are playing mafia. Not monopoly. | ||
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On October 26 2016 15:49 ExO_ wrote: The first thing I notice is this. On day 1 we had: + Show Spoiler + On October 22 2016 03:39 disformation wrote: Vote Count - Day 1 Vivax (5): Tubesock, iamperfection, Hopeless1der, Lunaticman (4): ritoky, Koshi, HamazuraXTakitsubo, sicklucker, Koshi (3): Lunaticman, beentheredonethat, Skynx ritoky (2): Holyflare, Kurumi (2): WaveofShadow (1): Dandel Ion (1): Lord Tolkien (1): Kurumi Tictock (1); Vivax Rels (0): ptmc (0): Skynx (0): iamperfection (0): Holyflare (0): beentheredonethat (0): Hopeless1der (0): ExO_ (0): Not voted (4): Tictock, Rels, Eversince, WaveofShadow It looks like Vivax is about to be owned. Day 1 ends in at 21:00 GMT (+00:00) and resolves one hour later, at 22:00 GMT (+00:00). The voting thread is here and only votes in the voting thread will be counted. HF came in and voted TT, and then you have iamp, Tubesock, Dandel, Ritoky all within 5 minutes of each other. This made him the lead wagon at 7 votes, with lunatic man being 2nd closest at 3. Tubesock then bails for Koshi, a few other random votes happen, before BM/Koshi/bndt all come in to seal the deal. On day 2 Vivax was basically a lock, before lunatic started really picking up some steam. TS says some really interesting things in this time period: + Show Spoiler + On October 25 2016 02:48 Tubesock wrote: I don't think Lunatic is mafia. But I don't have any solid reasons. Mostly I didn't like the wagon yesterday. ##Unvote ##Vote: Vivax ##Vote: Skynx On October 25 2016 03:39 Tubesock wrote: I think Luna is town. I won't vote for him. Looking through his filter, I tried to gather his reads. Towns: beentheredonethat 1 of Koshi/Artanis (and only because of dead HF) I think that's it. Scums: HolyFlare Koshi (if not Koshi then Artanis[Xp] and 100% sheep of HF) I don't know Lunaticman. Never played with him. But if he is mafia, is he lunatic enough to tunnel hard on 2 strong willed players? Like right out the gate. He immediately votes Koshi, then still within the first 12 hours or so of the game he starts on HF. And Never leaves either of them the ENTIRE time. He's still on Koshi. Mafia or town, going headstrong on HF kinda means you just may die. Lunaticman attacks and goes after him. He doesn't veer off from them. WHich i think is towny too. I know when I start thinking strongly that someone is mafia, I get more obstinate. It pretty much dominates my conversation if no one is listening or agreeing. There was shade on HF when he wasn't playing. Then he did and everyone thought he was town (otherwise why follow his TT case?). Lunatic still scum'd him till HF died. He had perfect opportunity to town HF and get off HF's bad side and still look good for going up against him. But town doesn't do that. I spoiled a few of his posts but not all. The ones I skipped either were repeats of earlier posts (like HF is scum for making him appear bad) etc. I think his main crime isn't putting in 12 hours a day here and only giving 5 player reads. Maybe a bit defensive but I've seen worse from town. Lunaticman is town. + Show Spoiler [1st post votes Koshi] + On October 20 2016 19:32 Lunaticman wrote: I just can't handle more of Koshi's platitudes. Obvious scum play as usual. #Vote Koshi + Show Spoiler [towns beenthere] + On October 20 2016 21:30 Lunaticman wrote: The tone of beentheredonethat reads as town to me, putting him in my town circle for now. + Show Spoiler [Fear reads HF, next post scums HF] + On October 21 2016 01:22 Lunaticman wrote: HF, looking like town but I'm not ready to buy what's on sale yet. Still have trust issues with you. On October 21 2016 04:37 Lunaticman wrote: That is some shady accusations without any reasons and I beg to differ greatly. I have been on point, I think you are trying to undermine my credibility. Typical mafia play. Second mafia is probably HF after Koshi. + Show Spoiler [angst spirit] + On October 21 2016 04:39 Lunaticman wrote: Stop sheeping and undermining me, I was meta reading Koshi independently from anyone, in fact bt was sheeping my read not the other way around. HF is obviously trying to make me look scum. + Show Spoiler [defensive] + On October 21 2016 04:46 Lunaticman wrote: I think I made at least 3 posts explaining why. On October 21 2016 04:50 Lunaticman wrote: haha yes you can say it like that if you want but it is more the way it was done. No reasoning just undermining my credibility with no reason and ignoring it as soon as possible, changing the subject from Koshi etc. + Show Spoiler [More HF Scum] + On October 22 2016 18:39 Lunaticman wrote: HF this entire post is just undermining town authority, not one real target just suspicion on an endless merry go around. Your playing exactly like Koshi. You also spend to much time mining credibility from other players making sure to get on their good side and playing on your reputation. For example why are there no townies on your list? That is more important than 6 different scum reads that amount to nothing. A more productive move would be to try to analyze how the wagon formed and why. That way we could probably see if Koshi was indeed saved by a scum mate or not. On October 22 2016 19:07 Lunaticman wrote: Chill, maybe I was a bit vague. I wanted you to elaborate a bit more on the "case" from your perspective and why the miss lynch was so successful. So I can analyze if you are indeed town or not. For example you look extremely scummy for saving Koshi and miss lynching. I also find it disturbing that even though you haven't contributed with anything productive for the town expect a miss lynch you still seem to want to be the town leader. Everything I have seen from you points to you being mafia, especially from a meta perspective. The only thing I find a bit lenient is that town tends to make more mistakes than mafia so that's nice I suppose. + Show Spoiler [Koshi/Art 1 is mafia] + On October 24 2016 00:10 Lunaticman wrote: There is one scum between Koshi/Artanis we have to put trust in HF:s read. I'm sorry I ever doubted you HF! <3 On October 24 2016 23:48 Lunaticman wrote: Also either of Art and Koshi are mafia so you remember when I die. The really interesting thing here is these posts are about 50 minutes apart. Instead of seeing something then drawing a conclusion based on what he saw, TS first drew the conclusion that lunaticman is town, then found the evidence to back it up. I find TS highly suspicious.He hops off the Vivax wagon (after being the first to vote him), and then he hops off the TT wagon day 1 as soon as it got a majority. He defends lunaticman as the lunatic wagon is gaining steam on day 2. And then surprise No lynch on day 2. I think this heavily implicates Tubesock. I could see Lunaticman being either scum or town here. It makes a lot more sense to me if Lunaticman is scum, as it would explain why day 2 ends without a lynch with the threat of Koshi's Double lynch. However for me to accept this idea Koshi has to be telling the truth. I can't stand playing with Koshi b/c of how intolerable he is to everyone. It makes me think he's a lying and scum even when he is telling the truth. On the other side of the coin, I could also see TS making a case for Lunaticman in an attempt to earn towncred for later. But then I'm left with the question: why did day 2 end without a lynch? Maybe scum didn't end the day maybe it was a 3rd party role? Or maybe Vivax is scum and the move was purely to keep him alive?...hmmm I'm not sure. Either way, my initial thoughts are that TS looks very scummy to me. I think I'm gonna check out Koshi now. But I think TS is my strongest scum read after Vivax. Too many mental gymnastics. They stopped the lynch to prevent Vivax from getting lynched, and obviously frustrating the hell out of town. Added bonus, if koshi is town then they have a double reason to no-lynch: wasting town ultimates is always good for scum. @koshi: can you confirm you still have your vote-damage/double lynch ability? If so, i trust WoS and we need a 2nd wagon on gb by the end of the day. | ||
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On October 26 2016 09:40 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh that's very interesting. Did Lunatic ever claim being hit before? Who did btdt attack before? Was it Koshi? I guess I was assuming he'd try to max out his power by going for the same person both nights but if thought Koshi was scum D1 and then not D2 that obviously makes sense Btdt attacked koshi 3 times. Then Luna once. Pity. If he has stuck on koshi, koshi would probably be dead, with that 68 dmg + whatever other people did to him. | ||
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On October 26 2016 11:13 WaveofShadow wrote: I guess maybe I'm not super surprised I'm not being hailed as town hero just yet, but 'what' is all you can muster? All hail the conquering hero! What? | ||
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On October 26 2016 12:52 GlowingBear wrote: I'll tell you how they align. You've just hinted you confirmed me as mafia by using ways related to mechanics. It means you're lying or you're bluffing, because I am town. Therefore, you must have very strong reasons for which you believe I am mafia, or you're just simply mafia, which I'm starting to believe in. I've only seen you saying I'm useless. The problem is that (1) being useless doesn't mean I'm mafia and (2) I'm not being that useless since I'm posting reads from times to times. You don't seem to care for those reads I post. You only seem to be interested in pushing my lynch without reevaluating if you're wrong or not. You don't react to the new information I post in thread at all. You're playing an easy game. My question is: how can you keep calling me useless without even giving me the chance to be town? Why are you so right on me being mafia that nothing changes the way you think? I've done NOTHING scummy in order to have you this tunneled on me. You're also being quite selective between the lurkers. Say, what's so different between my play and hopeless' play in your POV?  | ||
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On October 26 2016 13:00 GlowingBear wrote: Pretty sure you're Mafia. I'm voting you and no one else today The fuck you are. Vote Vivax or I consider it a scumclaim. | ||
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On October 26 2016 09:03 WaveofShadow wrote: Like I said, depending on HP values and between scum factional KP and abilities this is entirely possible, and I have no reason to believe the both of you didn't eat it tonight. I don't think they're spreading out damage to any real extent. They did enough to kill btdt, and hit me for 50+ damage. If I wasn't awesome, I would be dead. That lines up with their NKs on N1. | ||
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On October 26 2016 17:03 Bill Murray wrote: i like exo's ts read a lot I think his analysis of D1 voting behavior can be on point. I don't think we should try to read anything in D2 voting behavior. Scum already knew they could no-lynch, so would happily bus their buddy. In addition, the wagons were almost unanimous. I'll reread tubesock D1, but I remember I only really put him in my townpile based on later behavior. | ||
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