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Wasn't expecting it till next month. Wife is great sometimes
Also I love jat and couldn't pass up playing with him.
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/In Wasn't expecting it till next month. Wife is great sometimes Also I love jat and couldn't pass up playing with him. | ||
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Overall was fun and didn't feel to horrid | ||
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Bats Super Hf Is my scum pool currently. I'm somewhat more confident in almost everyone else being town. | ||
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Bats I think is on the sideline and is just posting things to exist basically. His one tinfoil isn't enough and I don't really see him sticking his neck,out and he's super agreeable and right in the middle on certain subjects (hf I believe) he also asked several questions that seemed not to,go anywhere. I'd rather lynch bats atm | ||
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Also super even when using the lurker d1 stool had decent posts when we last played instead here kind of seems like he is wanting to poke marv to rage instead of doing anything interesting. Kind of think super is scum. | ||
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But on another note- <3 you town jat | ||
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Really a useless argument though, but I think town on both. | ||
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On October 05 2016 04:39 Holyflare wrote: It's like one of the first things to happen in this game, how on earth do I end up in a poe when you LIKE it??? I said it was not bad, and sometimes my mind changes when I am,just spouting out opinions and dwelling deeper. Doesn't always have to make sense just to me. I understand the sentiment though @Super that wasn't you pressuring marv imo that was as I out it poking at marv and you should know harboring accomplish much. Also unless my memory is wrong you were pressuring,marv who was starting to,bring the pressure on your scum read palmar... Not sure why marv deserves pressure for going after someone you scum read. And mind you someone who marv is great friends with and has a super long history of not going after as scum. (For the most part) So what was marv doing to deserve pressyre? | ||
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Grack could be scum to,I guess he's not been to amazing yet, but I have a higher view of his scum game than his town game over all. Like as scum I generally see him as mire proactive and leading away while. I'm not sure lazy Grack makes me sad (and I think more likely town by my experience so far) | ||
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Did you disagree with anything I've thought so far? | ||
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If you could,point that out would be good. And super who has played with most of us and,is generally a thorn in people's sides as town and explains himself I just don't see fear. So I really don't understand the read you made. Also you avoided explaining how I am just jumping on the easy target when I posted my scum,read not,much push on then,exactly. | ||
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On October 05 2016 05:49 Superbia wrote: Anyway I think: NU/Calix/Marv are town. JAT is pretty town. Palmar is possibly town. HF is possibly town. Rest is all meh with bats taking the lowest slot. Ho can you think bats is scum (at this point) but just have me meh with no real read given | ||
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On October 05 2016 05:50 batsnacks wrote: Most of his first posts are insisting that he needs to stay on the sidelines this phase, that it's in town's best interest that he does or something. Also I remember when I asked about HF and palmar he wouldn't tell me what he was thinking. Being afraid leads to him being town I guess because it doesn't make sense to be afraid as mafia. I'm sure I've played with super in the past but it's been years since I've played with any of you and I don't really remember anything about how super plays. What I'm saying isn't so much that I'm CERTAIN super is town and afraid, it's that his frustration would be consistent with being town and afraid, which would be consistent with trying to stay on the sidelines and his reluctance to elaborate on reads. Like maybe super is self aware that his reads will not stand up to scrutiny because it's only 24 hours into a pretty lame day 1 so far but they're the best he has anyway lol. I obviously can't speak for him but that's pretty much where I'm at anyway. You still avoid how I am jumping on the easiest person when I was the first to really push you as the best lynch bats. If super is town and afraid why would he be so adamant about not giving reasoning instead of inciting a large number of,the game to come after him? Also super gas been,pretty confrontational which doesn't point to fear either. And he's lurk in for,meta reasons not real reasons | ||
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On October 05 2016 05:52 Superbia wrote: I actually think you are on the low part of meh because of your very meh push on me, but I didn't have any real strong opinion. I.e. I also think Koshi is weird. Need to evaluate more on that. So your working theory is that I am potential scum with bats, because you were/are acting shady with almost no explanations. And most of,the other people,who share opinions with me and mostly agree with my posts you town read? | ||
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On October 05 2016 06:05 Superbia wrote: No. My working theory is that I thought your push on me for the marv interaction was scummy (as it heavily assumed Marv was town out of nowhere) and that I need to evaluate more at some later point (pretty done for today). My working theory on snacks is that he's getting some light pressure put on him and posting a thesis on how I'm town. No connection (yet!). Marv is an obvious town read at that point for several reasons and most people should realize why and your pressure on him was shit tbh. The push on you by everyone was warranted and still is to some degree. | ||
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On October 05 2016 06:10 Superbia wrote: Please succinctly explain how Marv (who is a decent player) is an easy read and should never receive any pressure. That's dumb and you know it, Is marv playing? If yes probably town Is marv sassy? More than likely town Palmar went after marv yes or no? If yes refer to one Marv went after a hard to lynch person? Probably town | ||
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On October 05 2016 06:25 Superbia wrote: Honestly I don't like how you're locking into this read. I agree with the read but I am wary of the lack of uncertainty. Yeah let's hope bats flips scum so I can ignore you for a cycle or two. Because you aren't making,g a lot of sense. | ||
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On October 05 2016 06:56 NeverUnlucky wrote: I don't like Damdred's posts and would scum-read him for it, but I not trust this read myself. It's basically based on the same arguments I scum-read him HM3 (in which he was town), so I guess his town meta could just appear scummy to me. You just do not have good taste then since even calix town reads me. Maybe I'm wrong about NU being town I'm unsure now based on him reading the game opposite how he would idk. | ||
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Should be able to pick back up tomorrow or when the room stops spinning, I'll start catching up. | ||
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I'm way behind to make any rational thought provoking posts so here's to reading 9x pages and watch all my friends turn against me. | ||
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For example I,have several scum games that have 15-30 pages who or at the same time I have some scum games with 1-5 pages. And these happen in indiscriminate means as I see fit. The same can be said of my town game the range in which I post is high sometimes and low others. Trying to draw conclusions based off activity and any type of excuses (that I'm attempting to keep out of thread) is ludicrous. As such if you are town you should be happy I am here and will catch up. If you are scum keep being dumb. | ||
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On October 10 2016 07:12 NeverUnlucky wrote: I for one don't like that he specifies that his inactivity is nai. It once again illustrates that he is hesitant because he is sort of defending himself against a complaint that can be made on his play when it has not been made. This reminds me of a comment scum!Eggy made in his last game: "Im sorry for being afk most of D1 I was busy which is not AI." guilty This post basically condemns me for activity without overtly stateing it. And your reads on me for the both of you are horribly bad as per usual. And might I add saying he's never inquisitive or the like is foolish as neither of you know anything of me past one game. Even the fame bats quoted I was inquisitive. | ||
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On October 10 2016 08:08 Koshi wrote: I don't know how far you are Damdred. But you are pretty defensive and aggressive for somebody who hasn't read the thread yet. Why? Cause I hate being scum read for what I consider shifty reasons. | ||
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On October 10 2016 08:06 NeverUnlucky wrote: ? What is X and what is y? I don't remember anyone saying your play lacked anything. Just the previous page calix tried to compare my assortment of posts to the last game. | ||
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But that's neither here or their. | ||
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Than you are blind and I thought the reasons were so shifty that I ignored half of what was going on and attacked people? | ||
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And I have no clue honestly what the cases on me are, if any of them are what I consider to be legitimate reasoning I will talk of those, but what you and calix have talked about the past two pages doesn't make me scum, or anyone scum. | ||
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The first part is about me being wrong? The game of mafia is about people coming from a place of no knowledge to try to find the people with all of the information and are trying to stay hidden. Ie most of the time when you role town especially early game (which is where that wad) you will be wrong most of the time sometimes you will be dialed in and be more right than wrong,but most of the time not so much. Bats at the time of the read_(he even admits as much) that he hadn't taken stances or done much of note. And he did have one post of tinfoil when normally he would have,much more. I can't remember the exact post but was a scenario where someone was scum,and with who etc. Overall another post about being wrong in my read, which doesn't make me,scum. A few people agreed with me,that the way super went about interacting with marv will get the negative affects of marv raging and even marv says that is nit the way to go about interacting with him. This isn't really a point against me really you are losing the context of the situation and painting it scummy. As for hesitant reads I am allowed those from time to time when I am unsure which way to go. I don't really think it's a point against me as everyone is unsure at points. Overall your case is a narrative that lacks context and attempts to paint,me as scum,while,ignoring other moving,parts in,the thread. Its a bad case but I still do not think you are scum just dumb. | ||
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If someone else says something against me,it's a good post. Never case against me is bad I explained why. And I'd rather argue and take part,in the thread while I catch up than read 100 pages and disappear for most of the day. Also to point out something that calix says, he's trying to use against me (about the marv point) and well it's super important the context of the thread and how marv actually reacted. It matters a lot actually what others/marv himself states after I make my point. | ||
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On October 10 2016 19:21 Calix wrote: This is a bad post. I just want to elaborate on this a bit before I head out. 1. First part is valid (being wrong =/= being scum) but he doesn't stop there. I really really want to emphasise these lines here: He literally repeats the game objective and even though he's purporting to come from the perspective of a townie, he doesn't sound like he relates to that at all as he just reiterates obvious information in the most emotionless manner. The last part especially is just writing words to take up space. 2. Lots of appeals to what other players have been saying and using this to support his points. I do not see town motivation behind using the words of others to convey your points...especially when you are defending yourself. 3. NU has already noted this but the way that Damdred counters the points ("doesn't make me scum/ that point cannot be used against me") is a prominent theme in his posts. He says they don't make him scum but they don't make him town either. 4. His tone is objective as hell and makes him sound detached. 1 is not really alignment indicative at all, I said my point and I am right. 2 is not alignment indicative either, and I was pointing out specifically how never was avoiding the context of the thread and making it more than what it was or trying to prove me wrong when I was right. There is no argument about three as most of the things nu said are nai as I've said before. This isn't a point. Being objective isn't really a point either... | ||
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All of your points, both of you, have the same faults. It doesn't matter if something doesn't make me town either as what you are putting against me isn't alignment indicative. | ||
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I would agree to that, but don't paint it as anything,but policy because that is what it is. | ||
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Atm on 60s but reading filters to compliment and cone with reads when I feel,comfortable | ||
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I don't know if it's enough for me to lynch someone else but idk he's tricked me lots. Its difficult. In any case I am almost caught up here in a moment. If I'm lynched at least I can give a will lol | ||
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Koshi Oatsmaster Jat Never Palmar/Marc Scott I think one of palmar and marv are scum,but not both. Scott makes a good bit of sense with his posts and safe votes with no real reasoning. Any other questions you can ask. | ||
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On October 12 2016 00:43 justanothertownie wrote: Is this list ordered? If so I would like to an explanation on your oats and nu reads when you have the time. It's not necessarily in order, I was just sort of throwing the people I thought were town. Like I think Scott is pretty sure mafia in this situation and I think one of marv/palmar is scum. However I have a reason for town reading never and upward as town. As for oats, I found his questioning early and even middle of hi a filter ok. He seemed to be reading the game and pushing things that via greed with him on as I read. Also his tone seems right for town, and I can see most of what he thinks coming from town along with the progression of reads. As for nu, I am a bit torn, I think his activity and some thought processes seemed towny. His paranoia on calix just sort of makes me feel uncomfortable at points even when they were my d melding on talking about me. Just felt a bit off. | ||
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On October 12 2016 00:42 Calix wrote: Why do you town-read JAT? Why is NU so low down on your reads list? That's a novel read. Jat is more than likely town for how he pushed the lynch even if he was wrong. His tone also seems right for town and his thought process seemed genuine. | ||
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On October 12 2016 01:12 Calix wrote: Can you walk us through your thought processes with regards to Marv/ Palmar? Lost my first post let's try this again. Palmar and marv know each other really well and if you look through the history of both of them palmar catches scum marv at a remarkable rate, and likewise the inverses is true as well. But palmar push on marv seems half hearted as well. It lacks its normal might as well go all out and kill marv now. Jay notes this as well in one of his posts (I believe). Palmar later posts and tone aren't bad. Marv push is slightly better but marv has a small bit of activity issues and even his push while I agreed with it lacks some of the oomph that marv is know to have. So it could be a double,bus and just hoping. For cred but I sort of doubt it. I'm still kind of leaning towards l tut inching palmar tbh. | ||
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On October 12 2016 05:20 marvellosity wrote: why did you feel this at this point please? I thought I answered this a few posts later after I said this. (And actually was thinking about it a fee minutes ago) You were playing and going after a hard to lynch player you wouldn't really go after I think if you are scum. I think the read still partially rings true which is why hi think,if it's one of you or palmar it's palmar. Also your other question I think I answered a couple pages ago with ny thought process which might be convoluted idk I'm a bit,muddled with the meds. | ||
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Or maybe you will shenanigans onto me lol, idk which. | ||
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On October 12 2016 05:41 marvellosity wrote: that's one reason, what were the others? does the fact i went inactive discount all those reasons? I think,I answered this towards calix a few hours ago as well, sad you didn't read it. One of the reasons I even have you toward scum is you going awol and being pretty meh about the lynch today. It left me torn about either of you tbh. As for the other reasons they were activity, you being sassy and being fun tone pretty slim things for that early but you were town d1 at least. | ||
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On October 12 2016 05:54 marvellosity wrote: if i yolo on palmar and i'm wrong, i'm getting lynched, right? Not necessarily | ||
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I know I am town, even marvs reaction seemed okish he could be scum, JAT is possible but have to look closer at a few things. Koshi is 100% town though. And honestly it would make more sense for scum just to stay tight on scott and why even risk losing any form of cred (in the case that scott is scum) by maybe failing a shenanigans vote in the last 2 1/2 minutes of a game day. It just doesn't make a lot of sense coming from scum really. | ||
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NU and Koshi are never scum here, NU way to over the top in his rage. JAT is possible, I think scott is probably scum. Calix idk seems a bit really passive now and seemed a bit that way going into the lynch now as well which is strange. Marv is a bit of a coin flip right now, his tone and reaction to the lynch wasn't the most horrible. Kinda feels like hes just accepted being the lynch a bit but i've seen him fake things like that before. | ||
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On October 12 2016 07:21 Calix wrote: It's JAT/ Scott/ Damdred. This speaks for itself, my dude. At least one wrong sadly | ||
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Scott/JAT/Marv seems plausible but I am not sure that Marv or JAT are 100% scum, Jat is more likely than marv i think probably. I also think maybe I need to look at Calix again tbh, just seems to sure what she wants to push to the finish to set in stone. Oats is also a slight possiblity Like Scott and JAT I can pair on a team without feeling anything but yeah thats probably right, the third one i'm just not sold on. | ||
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NU are you going to be around for awhile? | ||
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Marv JAT Scott Oats Calix I think if JAT is scum than Oats is most likely not scum so I scratch him out, scratch scott and JAT out as they are my most likely pair That leaves me with Marv and Calix. One of them shoudl be the cop I think which makes the other one the scum. Unless oats is the cop but I doubt that sorta. | ||
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Thats just dumb because even if i discount oats I have two people I think coudl be scum in the third position. Calix is just acting to sure of herself at this point to be town unless shes cop with a red check with me. We are in triple lylo you can't go into that with your thoughts set in stone. Its dumb and loses you the game. | ||
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Jat/Marv/Scott then | ||
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To bad we going to lose I suppose. | ||
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JAT could you talk me through your proposed scum team from here on out? I'm curious what your thoughts are | ||
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You are an idiot when the only claim that she fucking hard claimed was on marv, soft claims dont' mean jack shit when she had time to hard claim a check on marv before eon when she could of hard claimed all her checks. So quit being a moron and pushing what you can't know | ||
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It makes 0 sense calix leaves what is a secret code about a red check on me but hard claims a colored check on,marv right before she dies. I'm not scum I just am sick and unable to do as much as I want. You should know better as well jat if you are town anyway. And I guess if nu is town games over anyway meh | ||
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On October 13 2016 23:20 marvellosity wrote: ##vote damdred whatever. we have to vote together anyway. Man I am town marv, you doing this totally is dumb as jat and nu can be scum in this situation. Scott will hammer etc etc | ||
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But we can still,win the game. And this is ny last game for awhile so hate going out like this meh. | ||
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If nu is town the games over anyway. Oats is just probably town he saw what was happening with the red check,argument and voted Scott without hopping on scum,wouldn't do that I think would,consolidate on me end the game. Koshi is just town to me. Jay idk feels a bit like marv to me atm. Disagrees with the red check,but votes me anyway. Easiest solution is,that marv Jat Scott. I suppose. | ||
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As the red check doesn't,make sense,lynching,me makes no sense. The things against me are that I was wrong early which most of,the game was at points I haven't been my normal self,which is explained by my sickness. And a supposed red check,that doesn't exist. Lynch Scott we have another 9x hours to,figure me out. Or whoever. Marv or koshi or nu gets resolved in the meantime as well | ||
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Scott while I thought and still do think,is scum. Palmar has beaten me 4-5 times by talking his way out of lynches. Palmar while his tone sounded town I thought he could be scum and he was one of my scum reads. We could lynch palmar then Scott and,hopefully hit two scum with the hardest scum dead already. It was faulty in that he flipped town but I thought it was worth the risk and was bad honestly. Just thought both were scum and made a bad decision in a minute meh. | ||
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On October 14 2016 02:52 marvellosity wrote: it makes absolute sense. i have to consolidate my votes with town. and unfortunately nu is really very likely to be town. you should recognise that. you should also understand my posts. many many many times in the past have i bemoaned that i 'hope' someone i think is playing terribly is mafia. you should know that. Koshi is the most likely to be town in this situation even outside nu wouldn't you agree? | ||
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And I understand that you have to vote with town but the angle nu was pushing is not good. And it seems like he is even not quite believing a red check now maybe? In either case I do understand that, but take a look from my view point. What's more likely (if you know that you are town) are scum more likely to pile on when a town is wrong or vote on a scum buddy. | ||
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But there are moments when you have tried as scum, though I do doubt that you would try this hard as scum first game back mostly. As for four, nah we Yolo lynched palmar in imperial while he slept to great success so that's in your wheelhouse with a good team. All in all regardless of my misgivings I won't consider you until 2 v 1 and considering you are green checked I don't think mafia can let you live. Also it makes the scum team pre try difficult to pin down. Basically has to be some combination of scott/oats/jat or nu instead of Jat. Which is super difficult. (Unless koshi is playing really well as scum). Luke I don't think I could see nu scum with jat for instance but I could with oats. | ||
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I made a point about calix acting like she had a red check on me. | ||
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Or that mafia jat makes that read when marv still has suspicion on,him. | ||
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Scitt/oats/Koshi is an interesting scum team idea but why would either oats or,koshi not,vote me in,that situation to win the game unless they are sure I can't proove I'm town. It Justinian logical. Well unless thatvisnt care about another cycle or Scott is town. | ||
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And we know Scott will vote me today anyway so just takes one to kill me anyway unless the scum team is nu, jat, Scott. Which I kinda doubt | ||
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You do make these logical leaps that do not,make a,lot of sense sometimes. | ||
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In any regard what is the point of mafia!JAT taking suspicion off town!Marv like he did with the defense he made of,him? | ||
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Jay has effectively made pressure on marv bad from him,and has in fact backed himself,more in the corner for,Whatcom team he can push. Its not good to,do as scum and if jat did it it is pretty gutsy abd would result in a harder road to go. And forces him to kill marv at some point. | ||
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If marv is town and green checked, its to mafia!jat discretion to let more suspicion build up on marv and he doesn't have to waste a kill and let people think Marv is not dead why? While he can still do that he's taken a lot of,pressure off marv now and most if not,all town read marv now. There is not much point to leaving marv alive now when he can just do what he wants. If that makes sense, its sub optimal for jat to do what he did as scum. Not in possible but,just nit what I would expect him to do. | ||
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It sucks but personal health is important and even when I came back I still had no energy to do much or make decent arguments tbh. And the ending was what hi was afraid of to an extent. And idk just didn't seem as probable as Scott just being scum. Again sorry | ||
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