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Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 10 2016 10:21 GMT
#2821
On October 10 2016 09:06 Damdred wrote:
That's a bad case tbh,

The first part is about me being wrong? The game of mafia is about people coming from a place of no knowledge to try to find the people with all of the information and are trying to stay hidden.

Ie most of the time when you role town especially early game (which is where that wad) you will be wrong most of the time sometimes you will be dialed in and be more right than wrong,but most of the time not so much.


Bats at the time of the read_(he even admits as much) that he hadn't taken stances or done much of note. And he did have one post of tinfoil when normally he would have,much more. I can't remember the exact post but was a scenario where someone was scum,and with who etc.

Overall another post about being wrong in my read, which doesn't make me,scum.

A few people agreed with me,that the way super went about interacting with marv will get the negative affects of marv raging and even marv says that is nit the way to go about interacting with him.

This isn't really a point against me really you are losing the context of the situation and painting it scummy.

As for hesitant reads I am allowed those from time to time when I am unsure which way to go. I don't really think it's a point against me as everyone is unsure at points.

Overall your case is a narrative that lacks context and attempts to paint,me as scum,while,ignoring other moving,parts in,the thread.

Its a bad case but I still do not think you are scum just dumb.


This is a bad post. I just want to elaborate on this a bit before I head out.

1. First part is valid (being wrong =/= being scum) but he doesn't stop there. I really really want to emphasise these lines here:

The game of mafia is about people coming from a place of no knowledge to try to find the people with all of the information and are trying to stay hidden.

Ie most of the time when you role town especially early game (which is where that wad) you will be wrong most of the time sometimes you will be dialed in and be more right than wrong,but most of the time not so much.


He literally repeats the game objective and even though he's purporting to come from the perspective of a townie, he doesn't sound like he relates to that at all as he just reiterates obvious information in the most emotionless manner.

The last part especially is just writing words to take up space.

2. Lots of appeals to what other players have been saying and using this to support his points. I do not see town motivation behind using the words of others to convey your points...especially when you are defending yourself.

3. NU has already noted this but the way that Damdred counters the points ("doesn't make me scum/ that point cannot be used against me") is a prominent theme in his posts. He says they don't make him scum but they don't make him town either.

4. His tone is objective as hell and makes him sound detached.
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
October 10 2016 12:28 GMT
#2822
On October 10 2016 14:45 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 10:49 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On October 07 2016 05:22 Holyflare wrote:
Koshi
Calix
marvellosity
Palmar
justanothertownie
Damdred
Stutters695
NeverUnlucky
Oatsmaster
Superbia
batsnacks, Vanilla town, lynched D1.
Grackaroni

This is my list of potential mafia. Even green flipped bats.

+ Show Spoiler +

Calix
marvellosity
Palmar
justanothertownie
Damdred
Stutters695

Maybe add oats for atrocious night posts but kinda like his style. Maybe remove jat if he goves me a frilly list post of mafia reads. A lot of townish reads can also come back, Superbia very very flimsy town read.



On October 10 2016 02:06 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 09 2016 23:45 Calix wrote:
Question. How involved have Palmar/ Grack/ Oats been in the mislynches?

Stutters/ Scott has either been AFK or jumped on the bandwagon and the only person even remotely involved in the Superbia mislynch was Grack.

I think it'll be useful to note down what each of them did.

We could even divvy it up between us or some shit, lol.

This is incredibly rich. You have hard pushed all 3 flipped town so far. Mafia don't even need to be involved in anything because you are doing everything for them.

At least 2 are mafia from the Marv/JAT/Koshi group because they are reading the game incredibly wrong. One of them is being clueless. The other mafia is between Damdred/Scott.


Common scum-reads: Damdred/Scott/Marv/Jat.

Not true. HF actually went out of his way to say that he does not scumread me right after that. He was also the only player in the game who defended me against some of the sillier accusations against me (calix comes to mind) while basically everyone in the game was calling me mafia to some degree.

The scumreads which the nightkills actually have in common are marv/damdred/scott.

Maybe HF didn't scum-read you, but he still had you in his mafia list for "underwhelming play" to quote him.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
October 10 2016 12:28 GMT
#2823
Good Calix post.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 10 2016 12:36 GMT
#2824
I am pretty much busy for the entire day. Lots of work and soccer at 20h00.
Following the thread.
I had a good night of sleep.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
October 10 2016 13:17 GMT
#2825
Basically if I say it both of you think it's a bad post, even if it is the truth.

If someone else says something against me,it's a good post. Never case against me is bad I explained why.

And I'd rather argue and take part,in the thread while I catch up than read 100 pages and disappear for most of the day.

Also to point out something that calix says, he's trying to use against me (about the marv point) and well it's super important the context of the thread and how marv actually reacted. It matters a lot actually what others/marv himself states after I make my point.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 10 2016 13:31 GMT
#2826
On October 10 2016 22:17 Damdred wrote:
Basically if I say it both of you think it's a bad post, even if it is the truth.

If someone else says something against me,it's a good post. Never case against me is bad I explained why.

And I'd rather argue and take part,in the thread while I catch up than read 100 pages and disappear for most of the day.

Also to point out something that calix says, he's trying to use against me (about the marv point) and well it's super important the context of the thread and how marv actually reacted. It matters a lot actually what others/marv himself states after I make my point.


If his case is bad then kindly show us the town motivation because I am not seeing it. I'll also take some reads plz and an indication of how many pages you've read.

Your first two lines are just you complaining that people are suspicious of you and dislike your posts.

Also you're being selective with what you respond to. That Marv response is...inflating the significance of a minor point which I only flagged up to show a pattern of you using other people to push your points...and ignores the rest of my post where I make far better points.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
October 10 2016 13:39 GMT
#2827
Also voting palmar cause I liked what marv had to say and think there is a decent chance he's scum.

Still reading though
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
October 10 2016 13:41 GMT
#2828
On October 10 2016 22:17 Damdred wrote:
Basically if I say it both of you think it's a bad post, even if it is the truth.

If someone else says something against me,it's a good post. Never case against me is bad I explained why.

And I'd rather argue and take part,in the thread while I catch up than read 100 pages and disappear for most of the day.

Also to point out something that calix says, he's trying to use against me (about the marv point) and well it's super important the context of the thread and how marv actually reacted. It matters a lot actually what others/marv himself states after I make my point.


You have no intent to show that you are town. All you want to do is disprove the case "making you scum" (see bolded text and Point 3 of Calix's response) without making yourself appear as town.

You show no intent to try and solve the game.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
October 10 2016 13:45 GMT
#2829
On October 10 2016 22:39 Damdred wrote:
Also voting palmar cause I liked what marv had to say and think there is a decent chance he's scum.

Still reading though

What specifically did you like?
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
October 10 2016 13:48 GMT
#2830
On October 10 2016 19:21 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 09:06 Damdred wrote:
That's a bad case tbh,

The first part is about me being wrong? The game of mafia is about people coming from a place of no knowledge to try to find the people with all of the information and are trying to stay hidden.

Ie most of the time when you role town especially early game (which is where that wad) you will be wrong most of the time sometimes you will be dialed in and be more right than wrong,but most of the time not so much.


Bats at the time of the read_(he even admits as much) that he hadn't taken stances or done much of note. And he did have one post of tinfoil when normally he would have,much more. I can't remember the exact post but was a scenario where someone was scum,and with who etc.

Overall another post about being wrong in my read, which doesn't make me,scum.

A few people agreed with me,that the way super went about interacting with marv will get the negative affects of marv raging and even marv says that is nit the way to go about interacting with him.

This isn't really a point against me really you are losing the context of the situation and painting it scummy.

As for hesitant reads I am allowed those from time to time when I am unsure which way to go. I don't really think it's a point against me as everyone is unsure at points.

Overall your case is a narrative that lacks context and attempts to paint,me as scum,while,ignoring other moving,parts in,the thread.

Its a bad case but I still do not think you are scum just dumb.


This is a bad post. I just want to elaborate on this a bit before I head out.

1. First part is valid (being wrong =/= being scum) but he doesn't stop there. I really really want to emphasise these lines here:

Show nested quote +
The game of mafia is about people coming from a place of no knowledge to try to find the people with all of the information and are trying to stay hidden.

Ie most of the time when you role town especially early game (which is where that wad) you will be wrong most of the time sometimes you will be dialed in and be more right than wrong,but most of the time not so much.


He literally repeats the game objective and even though he's purporting to come from the perspective of a townie, he doesn't sound like he relates to that at all as he just reiterates obvious information in the most emotionless manner.

The last part especially is just writing words to take up space.

2. Lots of appeals to what other players have been saying and using this to support his points. I do not see town motivation behind using the words of others to convey your points...especially when you are defending yourself.

3. NU has already noted this but the way that Damdred counters the points ("doesn't make me scum/ that point cannot be used against me") is a prominent theme in his posts. He says they don't make him scum but they don't make him town either.

4. His tone is objective as hell and makes him sound detached.


1 is not really alignment indicative at all, I said my point and I am right.

2 is not alignment indicative either, and I was pointing out specifically how never was avoiding the context of the thread and making it more than what it was or trying to prove me wrong when I was right.

There is no argument about three as most of the things nu said are nai as I've said before. This isn't a point.

Being objective isn't really a point either...
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 10 2016 13:50 GMT
#2831
Holy shit, so what if you just SAY every single point isn't alignment-indicative? Wow, great defense! We're really going places here, aren't we?

Why did you say them to begin with?! All you have is "I'm not-scum". Well guess what? You're not-town either.

##vote Damdred
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
October 10 2016 13:50 GMT
#2832
He did it again.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
October 10 2016 13:53 GMT
#2833
Make an argument that is actually alignment indicative that doesn't neglect context and I'll give you an answer thatvisnt that doesn't make me scum.

All of your points, both of you, have the same faults.

It doesn't matter if something doesn't make me town either as what you are putting against me isn't alignment indicative.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 10 2016 13:55 GMT
#2834
So you're arguing that every single thing that you've done so far is NAI...this is all being said in a game with multiple strong town-reads on Day 3...

Meaning that you are, by your portrayal of your posts, an ideal lynch because you have done nothing that indicates anything the entire game.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
October 10 2016 14:08 GMT
#2835
If what you mean to say that I am in the Poe because I was unable to play for roughly 80 hours of,the game and policy at best before I finish reading,game.

I would agree to that, but don't paint it as anything,but policy because that is what it is.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 10 2016 14:11 GMT
#2836
Policy lynch, scum lynch or both...it's still a lynch either way.

Do you have any reads you'd like to give?
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
October 10 2016 14:27 GMT
#2837
Wait, so... You are trying to convince me that the NAI guy is supposed to claim one of the remaining town slots there is?

Koshi
Calix
NU

Cop**
Oats

Marv
Palmar
Jat
Scott
Damdred

You think being NAI is enough to claim the last town slot (if you're not cop)? You're going to have to come up with something better if you don't want to be lynched.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
October 10 2016 14:35 GMT
#2838
Calix, you have to unvote (scott) before you vote for someone else. It is mandatory. c:

If Damdred's town, I see marv, jat, scott as scum.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 10 2016 14:58 GMT
#2839
On October 10 2016 22:39 Damdred wrote:
Also voting palmar cause I liked what marv had to say and think there is a decent chance he's scum.

Still reading though

On what page are you?
I had a good night of sleep.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
October 10 2016 15:02 GMT
#2840
On October 10 2016 23:58 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 22:39 Damdred wrote:
Also voting palmar cause I liked what marv had to say and think there is a decent chance he's scum.

Still reading though

On what page are you?


Atm on 60s but reading filters to compliment and cone with reads when I feel,comfortable
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