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On September 11 2016 06:36 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 06:35 Calix wrote:On September 11 2016 06:32 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 06:31 Calix wrote:On September 11 2016 06:28 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 06:27 Calix wrote: Damdred had 2 votes. HF had 2 votes until I voted for him within the last 10 minutes.
Continue to mischaracterise the situation, why don't you? Did you actually try to convince people to go on damdred? I recall you actually being pretty quiet during the final (and most important) hour. Yes, idiot. And the overall response was "Damdred can be useful if he's town" and "TT is a better option, let's sheep his train" You said yourself that "TT would have posted if he was town" - how do I argue with such stellar reasoning exactly? I'll see when I reread EoD.  You haven't answered how I would have countered that kind of point. Your reasoning for joining the TT train is extremely weak and you have nothing to say about that when you were proven wrong, eh? TT is a good town who literally stopped posting when someone put pressure on him. Like I am expecting him, as town, to come in and defend himself or at least do fucking something.
lol so the possibility of him being legitimately AFK never occurred to you? Calling bullshit.
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On September 11 2016 06:36 Shapelog wrote:Only NK townies Shoot/Check....Aka Ven. Scott can heal and that is it, since he is Benv, Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 06:19 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 06:18 Superbia wrote: Also I do care about you shapelog, take it easy man. #pocketed Good, Now push my mafia agenda for me. Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 06:20 NeverUnlucky wrote:On September 11 2016 06:08 Damdred wrote: Can we not blame anyone, it was a push and a lynch. Tjats how the game goes tbh and being condescending towards hf will only cause a nuclear war.
But grac defending but not defending and calix chainsaw wifom defense is strange on retrospect "LET'S NOT BLAME THE ONES ON THE ML TRAIN, LET'S INSTEAD BLAME THE ONES WHO DIDN'T AGREE TO ML TT" SCUMMY AF. DAMDRED NEEDS TO GO. 100%. FFS stop Cap locking. Also stop saying what I said. Show nested quote + Plus, HF driving a ML doesn't make him scum. He had (bad) reasons to vote him, but he had reasons. People like Damdred, Shapelog, Fuba, and Superbia gave no reasoning whatsoever for this lynch. They are scummier than the one who drove the ML. Fact.
Lol I litterly posted the reasoning behind why place my vote. Is it good? no, I find it horrible since I lacked a lot of what happen. Did I at least explained it? yes. And ask if someone could catch me up.
I mean I pocketed you.
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On September 11 2016 06:38 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 06:36 Shapelog wrote:Only NK townies Shoot/Check....Aka Ven. Scott can heal and that is it, since he is Benv, On September 11 2016 06:19 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 06:18 Superbia wrote: Also I do care about you shapelog, take it easy man. #pocketed Good, Now push my mafia agenda for me. On September 11 2016 06:20 NeverUnlucky wrote:On September 11 2016 06:08 Damdred wrote: Can we not blame anyone, it was a push and a lynch. Tjats how the game goes tbh and being condescending towards hf will only cause a nuclear war.
But grac defending but not defending and calix chainsaw wifom defense is strange on retrospect "LET'S NOT BLAME THE ONES ON THE ML TRAIN, LET'S INSTEAD BLAME THE ONES WHO DIDN'T AGREE TO ML TT" SCUMMY AF. DAMDRED NEEDS TO GO. 100%. FFS stop Cap locking. Also stop saying what I said. Plus, HF driving a ML doesn't make him scum. He had (bad) reasons to vote him, but he had reasons. People like Damdred, Shapelog, Fuba, and Superbia gave no reasoning whatsoever for this lynch. They are scummier than the one who drove the ML. Fact.
Lol I litterly posted the reasoning behind why place my vote. Is it good? no, I find it horrible since I lacked a lot of what happen. Did I at least explained it? yes. And ask if someone could catch me up. I mean I pocketed you. I am in my love's pocket. And no one else.
Grack my dear?
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Seriously no one just disappears entirely because they are mafia. There is always a non-game related reason for a total disappearance. If scum doesn't just kill me tonight I guarantee that I'm going super saiyan day 2. I'm feeling annoyed over this lynch.
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On September 11 2016 06:29 Grackaroni wrote: @Scott:
I am 100% Ok with you randomizing a shot on anyone you are unsure of if you are shooting today. It is also perfectly fine to avoid shooting today.
Just please don't shoot TW/Vivax/NU/Calix
Add Fuba to that list IMO.
You already know I am strongly against shooting N1, but if you do decide to shoot on that night, I would propose shooting Damdred/Shapelog.
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On September 11 2016 06:41 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 06:29 Grackaroni wrote: @Scott:
I am 100% Ok with you randomizing a shot on anyone you are unsure of if you are shooting today. It is also perfectly fine to avoid shooting today.
Just please don't shoot TW/Vivax/NU/Calix Add Fuba to that list IMO. You already know I am strongly against shooting N1, but if you do decide to shoot on that night, I would propose shooting Damdred/Shapelog. Yeah I agree. I had Fuba earlier as town but I guess he moved down internally for not being here or something.
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I would propose not directing the shot because I recall the scum have some Doctor role that allows them access to the TPR chats if they heal correctly or some shit.
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I still don't get how fuba is being town-read but I'd rather not take away focus from Superbia/ Damdred/ HF, etc.
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On September 11 2016 06:37 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 06:36 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 06:35 Calix wrote:On September 11 2016 06:32 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 06:31 Calix wrote:On September 11 2016 06:28 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 06:27 Calix wrote: Damdred had 2 votes. HF had 2 votes until I voted for him within the last 10 minutes.
Continue to mischaracterise the situation, why don't you? Did you actually try to convince people to go on damdred? I recall you actually being pretty quiet during the final (and most important) hour. Yes, idiot. And the overall response was "Damdred can be useful if he's town" and "TT is a better option, let's sheep his train" You said yourself that "TT would have posted if he was town" - how do I argue with such stellar reasoning exactly? I'll see when I reread EoD.  You haven't answered how I would have countered that kind of point. Your reasoning for joining the TT train is extremely weak and you have nothing to say about that when you were proven wrong, eh? TT is a good town who literally stopped posting when someone put pressure on him. Like I am expecting him, as town, to come in and defend himself or at least do fucking something. lol so the possibility of him being legitimately AFK never occurred to you? Calling bullshit.
For an entire day and a half? Right at the point when pressure is applied to him? Was highly unlikely.
The fact remains that TT was indeed objectively scummy and that people have defended him for completely shitty reasons. As it stands, we, as town, should always look at the people who defended him because: - There was literally no good reason to believe he is town as town because towns never know for certain. There simply is no(t enough) town-alignment-indicative information provided by TT to ever read him town, and all the reasons to put pressure on him and/or read him mafia. - Therefore; a town should never defend TT because they should never read him town. UNLESS it is strictly BECAUSE people are defending TT (mafia-defense etc.). - Also it is possible that a town null-reads TT but would much rather push his own target, but that's different from defending.
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On September 11 2016 06:41 Grackaroni wrote: Seriously no one just disappears entirely because they are mafia. There is always a non-game related reason for a total disappearance. If scum doesn't just kill me tonight I guarantee that I'm going super saiyan day 2. I'm feeling annoyed over this lynch.
Marv.
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On September 11 2016 06:31 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 06:29 NeverUnlucky wrote: Calix, you've got to interact with me if you want us to be efficient. I town-read you. Now more than ever is the time you have to collaborate with me. Wild prediction: this guy is getting shot tonight.
I actually predict that the mafia'll shoot Vivax over me because he has site experience and it would be framing you, but I wouldn't be surprised if I was found riddled with bullets tomorrow morning. Both of us are so widely tr'ed that we're as close as we can get to confirmed towns in this setup.
Then again, they might WIFOM and shoot someone else.
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On September 11 2016 06:45 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 06:41 Grackaroni wrote: Seriously no one just disappears entirely because they are mafia. There is always a non-game related reason for a total disappearance. If scum doesn't just kill me tonight I guarantee that I'm going super saiyan day 2. I'm feeling annoyed over this lynch. Marv. Marv has solid scum play! He's just at a disadvantage because he gets a lot more attention than other people.
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On September 11 2016 06:45 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 06:31 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 06:29 NeverUnlucky wrote: Calix, you've got to interact with me if you want us to be efficient. I town-read you. Now more than ever is the time you have to collaborate with me. Wild prediction: this guy is getting shot tonight. I actually predict that the mafia'll shoot Vivax over me because he has site experience and it would be framing you, but I wouldn't be surprised if I was found riddled with bullets tomorrow morning. Both of us are so widely tr'ed that we're as close as we can get to confirmed towns in this setup. Then again, they might WIFOM and shoot someone else.
Did you have both me and Vivax as townreads? Someone needs to check at some point.
Tbf I just think you're town, never a lynch target, and on the wrong side of the argument.
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@Super just hypothetical what's the point of defending a 100% lynch as scum?
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On September 11 2016 06:46 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 06:45 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 06:41 Grackaroni wrote: Seriously no one just disappears entirely because they are mafia. There is always a non-game related reason for a total disappearance. If scum doesn't just kill me tonight I guarantee that I'm going super saiyan day 2. I'm feeling annoyed over this lynch. Marv. Marv has solid scum play! He's just at a disadvantage because he gets a lot more attention than other people.
Marv has completely shut down in a PYP game before. Like he posted 1 or 2 things, got a small bit of pressure and just afked the entire game.
+ Show Spoiler +Town victory d2, pre-lynch.
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TT was not objectively scummy. He only had one person who gave any kind of reasoning for his train. If he was actually scummy, that wouldn't have been the case.
I didn't say that I knew he was town for certain. The only thing I knew was that his train sucked and this is undeniable. A train that isn't being contested with a bunch of sheep voters = shitty.
You are only focusing on me being scum when I wasn't the only person defending TT's shitty train. Yet I am the only person that is scummy for defending TT. Selective scum-hunting, now that's actually sketchy.
I read him as probable town due to external factors, in this case votes. You don't always need to use his posts (which sucked but there was nothing that came from a 100% scum mindset) to figure that out. Not a scum tell, sorry not sorry.
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On September 11 2016 06:43 Calix wrote: I would propose not directing the shot because I recall the scum have some Doctor role that allows them access to the TPR chats if they heal correctly or some shit.
That's what I said 4 times, dear. >_>
Also stop saying what I said. (^ Shapelog quote)
Read the first 15 pages of this thread. Literally ALL of your posts were repeating what I had said 5 minutes earlier. All of them. Fuck off.
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On September 11 2016 06:48 Damdred wrote: @Super just hypothetical what's the point of defending a 100% lynch as scum?
It's instinctual to "bend towards the truth" when you have too much information. Like you're more likely to call town town. Especially if they're being scum read.
I may actually be completely wrong on Calix btw. I need to re-read EoD1.
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Superbia's logic is not consistent. He says we should look at the people defending the ML and that 'town would never defend TT in that situation' but is uncritically town-reading NU despite him defending the ML too. And he has said nothing on how NU defending TT isn't scummy yet my defense is.
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On September 11 2016 06:49 Calix wrote: TT was not objectively scummy. He only had one person who gave any kind of reasoning for his train. If he was actually scummy, that wouldn't have been the case.
I didn't say that I knew he was town for certain. The only thing I knew was that his train sucked and this is undeniable. A train that isn't being contested with a bunch of sheep voters = shitty.
You are only focusing on me being scum when I wasn't the only person defending TT's shitty train. Yet I am the only person that is scummy for defending TT. Selective scum-hunting, now that's actually sketchy.
I read him as probable town due to external factors, in this case votes. You don't always need to use his posts (which sucked but there was nothing that came from a 100% scum mindset) to figure that out. Not a scum tell, sorry not sorry.
I'll see if there's something reasonable in your EoD filter at some later point in time.
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