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On September 11 2016 06:52 Calix wrote:
Superbia's logic is not consistent. He says we should look at the people defending the ML and that 'town would never defend TT in that situation' but is uncritically town-reading NU despite him defending the ML too. And he has said nothing on how NU defending TT isn't scummy yet my defense is.
I think NU is town. Especially after his "look at me too" posts. Though the WIFOM may be real.
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Though I did dive on both you and tumble because of gut. Which is pretty much always correct.
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On September 11 2016 06:51 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 06:48 Damdred wrote:
@Super just hypothetical what's the point of defending a 100% lynch as scum? It's instinctual to "bend towards the truth" when you have too much information. Like you're more likely to call town town. Especially if they're being scum read. I may actually be completely wrong on Calix btw. I need to re-read EoD1.
Just follow with me for a moment as I'm working through this.
Lets say that you are a mid to high tier player (as I think every one in this game is). You rolled scum, you already have a scum read on the person getting lynched.
Its wifom partly, but what's the point to flipping your read bringing ore attention to yourself when your ere being 80% town read just for a I told you so at that point?
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That's called constipation.
But seriously, fuck 'gut reads' to high hell.
And if you think I'm relenting on my read of you because you might 'reconsider' your shitty 'scum-read' then you can suck it.
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On September 11 2016 06:54 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 06:51 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 06:48 Damdred wrote:
@Super just hypothetical what's the point of defending a 100% lynch as scum? It's instinctual to "bend towards the truth" when you have too much information. Like you're more likely to call town town. Especially if they're being scum read. I may actually be completely wrong on Calix btw. I need to re-read EoD1. Just follow with me for a moment as I'm working through this. Lets say that you are a mid to high tier player (as I think every one in this game is). You rolled scum, you already have a scum read on the person getting lynched. Its wifom partly, but what's the point to flipping your read bringing ore attention to yourself when your ere being 80% town read just for a I told you so at that point?
Who are we talking about here specifically?
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On September 11 2016 06:44 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 06:37 Calix wrote:On September 11 2016 06:36 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 06:35 Calix wrote:On September 11 2016 06:32 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 06:31 Calix wrote:On September 11 2016 06:28 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 06:27 Calix wrote:
Damdred had 2 votes. HF had 2 votes until I voted for him within the last 10 minutes.
Continue to mischaracterise the situation, why don't you? Did you actually try to convince people to go on damdred? I recall you actually being pretty quiet during the final (and most important) hour. Yes, idiot. And the overall response was "Damdred can be useful if he's town" and "TT is a better option, let's sheep his train" You said yourself that "TT would have posted if he was town" - how do I argue with such stellar reasoning exactly? I'll see when I reread EoD.  You haven't answered how I would have countered that kind of point. Your reasoning for joining the TT train is extremely weak and you have nothing to say about that when you were proven wrong, eh? TT is a good town who literally stopped posting when someone put pressure on him. Like I am expecting him, as town, to come in and defend himself or at least do fucking something. lol so the possibility of him being legitimately AFK never occurred to you? Calling bullshit. For an entire day and a half? Right at the point when pressure is applied to him? Was highly unlikely. The fact remains that TT was indeed objectively scummy and that people have defended him for completely shitty reasons. As it stands, we, as town, should always look at the people who defended him because: - There was literally no good reason to believe he is town as town because towns never know for certain. There simply is no(t enough) town-alignment-indicative information provided by TT to ever read him town, and all the reasons to put pressure on him and/or read him mafia. - Therefore; a town should never defend TT because they should never read him town. UNLESS it is strictly BECAUSE people are defending TT (mafia-defense etc.). - Also it is possible that a town null-reads TT but would much rather push his own target, but that's different from defending.
If a train is utter shit, the trained player is in most cases TOWN. Calix and I have explained many times how the train was shit and that TT was most likely town given this. Do you not do VCA in TL?
Also, we were pushing for Damdred, but it did not get attention because the scum were most likely drawing everyone's attention to TT, leaving our case in the shadows.
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On September 11 2016 06:54 Calix wrote:
That's called constipation.
But seriously, fuck 'gut reads' to high hell.
And if you think I'm relenting on my read of you because you might 'reconsider' your shitty 'scum-read' then you can suck it.
I'm only scared that I may lose too much town favor in terms of votes.
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On September 11 2016 06:54 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 06:44 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 06:37 Calix wrote:On September 11 2016 06:36 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 06:35 Calix wrote:On September 11 2016 06:32 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 06:31 Calix wrote:On September 11 2016 06:28 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 06:27 Calix wrote:
Damdred had 2 votes. HF had 2 votes until I voted for him within the last 10 minutes.
Continue to mischaracterise the situation, why don't you? Did you actually try to convince people to go on damdred? I recall you actually being pretty quiet during the final (and most important) hour. Yes, idiot. And the overall response was "Damdred can be useful if he's town" and "TT is a better option, let's sheep his train" You said yourself that "TT would have posted if he was town" - how do I argue with such stellar reasoning exactly? I'll see when I reread EoD. You haven't answered how I would have countered that kind of point. Your reasoning for joining the TT train is extremely weak and you have nothing to say about that when you were proven wrong, eh? TT is a good town who literally stopped posting when someone put pressure on him. Like I am expecting him, as town, to come in and defend himself or at least do fucking something. lol so the possibility of him being legitimately AFK never occurred to you? Calling bullshit. For an entire day and a half? Right at the point when pressure is applied to him? Was highly unlikely. The fact remains that TT was indeed objectively scummy and that people have defended him for completely shitty reasons. As it stands, we, as town, should always look at the people who defended him because: - There was literally no good reason to believe he is town as town because towns never know for certain. There simply is no(t enough) town-alignment-indicative information provided by TT to ever read him town, and all the reasons to put pressure on him and/or read him mafia. - Therefore; a town should never defend TT because they should never read him town. UNLESS it is strictly BECAUSE people are defending TT (mafia-defense etc.). - Also it is possible that a town null-reads TT but would much rather push his own target, but that's different from defending. If a train is utter shit, the trained player is in most cases TOWN. Calix and I have explained many times how the train was shit and that TT was most likely town given this. Do you not do VCA in TL? Also, we were pushing for Damdred, but it did not get attention because the scum were most likely drawing everyone's attention to TT, leaving our case in the shadows.
What the fuck is a VCA.
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On September 11 2016 06:48 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 06:45 NeverUnlucky wrote:On September 11 2016 06:31 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 06:29 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Calix, you've got to interact with me if you want us to be efficient. I town-read you. Now more than ever is the time you have to collaborate with me. Wild prediction: this guy is getting shot tonight. I actually predict that the mafia'll shoot Vivax over me because he has site experience and it would be framing you, but I wouldn't be surprised if I was found riddled with bullets tomorrow morning. Both of us are so widely tr'ed that we're as close as we can get to confirmed towns in this setup. Then again, they might WIFOM and shoot someone else. Did you have both me and Vivax as townreads? Someone needs to check at some point. Tbf I just think you're town, never a lynch target, and on the wrong side of the argument.
Yes, I did have you as lean-town. What is your point though?
Yes, TT's flip proved that, right? zzz
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Vivax does too sometimes. Remember Nut?
On September 11 2016 06:49 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 06:43 Calix wrote:
I would propose not directing the shot because I recall the scum have some Doctor role that allows them access to the TPR chats if they heal correctly or some shit. That's what I said 4 times, dear. >_> (^ Shapelog quote) Read the first 15 pages of this thread. Literally ALL of your posts were repeating what I had said 5 minutes earlier. All of them. Fuck off.
Bold is wrong, and I don't even had to reread.
Ik i was the first to talk about Vivax posting. I also have different views in those pages as well IIRC.
So no.
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On September 11 2016 06:54 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 06:54 Damdred wrote:On September 11 2016 06:51 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 06:48 Damdred wrote:
@Super just hypothetical what's the point of defending a 100% lynch as scum? It's instinctual to "bend towards the truth" when you have too much information. Like you're more likely to call town town. Especially if they're being scum read. I may actually be completely wrong on Calix btw. I need to re-read EoD1. Just follow with me for a moment as I'm working through this. Lets say that you are a mid to high tier player (as I think every one in this game is). You rolled scum, you already have a scum read on the person getting lynched. Its wifom partly, but what's the point to flipping your read bringing ore attention to yourself when your ere being 80% town read just for a I told you so at that point? Who are we talking about here specifically?
Let's not nAMe names lets just answer honestly
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On September 11 2016 06:56 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 06:48 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 06:45 NeverUnlucky wrote:On September 11 2016 06:31 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 06:29 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Calix, you've got to interact with me if you want us to be efficient. I town-read you. Now more than ever is the time you have to collaborate with me. Wild prediction: this guy is getting shot tonight. I actually predict that the mafia'll shoot Vivax over me because he has site experience and it would be framing you, but I wouldn't be surprised if I was found riddled with bullets tomorrow morning. Both of us are so widely tr'ed that we're as close as we can get to confirmed towns in this setup. Then again, they might WIFOM and shoot someone else. Did you have both me and Vivax as townreads? Someone needs to check at some point. Tbf I just think you're town, never a lynch target, and on the wrong side of the argument. Yes, I did have you as lean-town. What is your point though? Yes, TT's flip proved that, right? zzz
1. Something that's probably irrelevant.
2. No.
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Also I haven't used TT's mislynch as a "I told you so" thing. You people keep saying "Calix defended TT" but you haven't said what I would actually get out of it.
I'm not using TT's mislynch to push a scum-read on anyone. I'm not saying "I told you so". I'm not saying I am town for defending TT. I am not saying I am town for making this post "cuz WIFOM lul"
But fuck WIFOM for a second...what exactly would scum!Calix get out of this if not those things?
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On September 11 2016 06:56 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 06:54 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 06:54 Damdred wrote:On September 11 2016 06:51 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 06:48 Damdred wrote:
@Super just hypothetical what's the point of defending a 100% lynch as scum? It's instinctual to "bend towards the truth" when you have too much information. Like you're more likely to call town town. Especially if they're being scum read. I may actually be completely wrong on Calix btw. I need to re-read EoD1. Just follow with me for a moment as I'm working through this. Lets say that you are a mid to high tier player (as I think every one in this game is). You rolled scum, you already have a scum read on the person getting lynched. Its wifom partly, but what's the point to flipping your read bringing ore attention to yourself when your ere being 80% town read just for a I told you so at that point? Who are we talking about here specifically? Let's not nAMe names lets just answer honestly
If someone scum scumread TT early on they're somewhat likely to join the waffling near EoD. Or dig in.
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Also if this site doesn't do VCA and that's the reason this argument is taking place, I'm going to brain myself with a crowbar.
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On September 11 2016 06:56 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 06:54 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 06:54 Damdred wrote:On September 11 2016 06:51 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 06:48 Damdred wrote:
@Super just hypothetical what's the point of defending a 100% lynch as scum? It's instinctual to "bend towards the truth" when you have too much information. Like you're more likely to call town town. Especially if they're being scum read. I may actually be completely wrong on Calix btw. I need to re-read EoD1. Just follow with me for a moment as I'm working through this. Lets say that you are a mid to high tier player (as I think every one in this game is). You rolled scum, you already have a scum read on the person getting lynched. Its wifom partly, but what's the point to flipping your read bringing ore attention to yourself when your ere being 80% town read just for a I told you so at that point? Who are we talking about here specifically? Let's not nAMe names lets just answer honestly
Are you trolling us?
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On September 11 2016 06:23 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 06:17 NeverUnlucky wrote:
UPDATE -- SINCE I THINK THAT CALIX IS TOWN, I WILL MAKE A LAST WILL IN WHICH I WILL INCLUDE INFORMATION ONLY SHE CAN KNOW. SHE WILL CONFIRM THAT MY LW IS IN FACT MINE (if she is town).
@scott1337 -- Do not shoot N1. Your shot is most likely going to be neutered by the Death Whisperer. the last will stuff falls into sketchy rules area that may or may not result in mid action. I'd be careful and check with a host first. and Scott should shoot Hf. something something "you miss 100% of the shots you don't take" plus it means Hf won't get a chance to shoot calix
Whenever you wanna stop slipping :D
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On September 11 2016 06:51 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 06:48 Damdred wrote:
@Super just hypothetical what's the point of defending a 100% lynch as scum? It's instinctual to "bend towards the truth" when you have too much information. Like you're more likely to call town town. Especially if they're being scum read. I may actually be completely wrong on Calix btw. I need to re-read EoD1.
Given that Damdred only has town-reads and that you think that scum are more likely to town-read town, what is your read on him?
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Some of us do vote count analysis. Some do not.
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