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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
September 10 2016 07:02 GMT
#741
I will not argue with him because that is a rabbit hole with no end, but holyflare is a million percent scum. Palmar, please look at it and tell everyone he's scum so people will sheep it. he is making cases he would not make as town and arguing grack into the ground even though grack is obviously the reasonable one. and don't tell me he would make a read based off of a couple posts at the very start and have that much confidence in it for the rest if the day. saying he is trying to copy Trfel is projecting at best.
if it makes you feel better Hf you can add me to your team for defending tictock
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
September 10 2016 07:06 GMT
#742
in other news, @NU: first, stop going after fuba. he is obv town. second, you are falling into the same two traps jealous did, which are believing that town contributes to the game and scum does not (and having a very rigid idea of what "contributing" means), and believing that town are Completely Rational Actors and scum make erratic and illogical plays, because it is more often the other way around. basically, two townies (and your vote) are taken away from the game because of your misconceptions.
and I encourage everyone to look more big-picture this game.
good times for all
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 10 2016 07:55 GMT
#743
Day 1 Votecount

Tictock (3): Holyflare, fuba, Calix, Damdred
Holyflare (2): Tumblewood, Grackaroni
Tumblewood (1): Superbia, Superbia
fuba (1): NeverUnlucky, Calix
Damdred (1): NeverUnlucky
Calix (0): NeverUnlucky
Superbia (0): Superbia
Skynx (0): NeverUnlucky

Not Voting (5): Skynx, Palmar, Vivax, Shapelog, Tictock


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Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
September 10 2016 08:01 GMT
#744
Have to pop out for a good part of the day so this is a check-in post as I have only skimmed the last six or so pages. Have a few questions:

How is fuba obvious town? I see a bunch of people going "never lynching him" and the like but I didn't see anything that went into more detail on how this is the case. I don't like his excessive focus on NU's 'scum slip' re: lynchbait and I don't understand why you wouldn't vote for NU earlier (which would start a wagon on a player that a lot of people town-read) rather than keep the vote on the TT wagon. My vote is going nowhere unless I see an actual decent case for town!fuba and simply saying "meta" with no explanation is not going to cut it.

Why do Damdred and Holyflare have votes on them? The former seems like it would be a rushed train since he hasn't been talked about much. I get the whole "lurking in the background and not saying much" idea but that's generic and doesn't relate back to how he's specifically scum and not just Generic AFK Player #308550. If he's town, we get nothing from his lynch and the lack of discussion around him means he's a poor train even if scum. For the purpose of a D1 lynch, he's not a good option.

I would need to reread the chat properly to understand where Holyflare's voters are coming from. What I remember was him using points against TT that also applied to fuba (but with no explanation for how fuba is town??) and some of the voters think his cases suck compared to his town game. (meta!) If I missed anything incriminating then I'd like to hear it.

I think Grack looks slightly better from his HF/ Grack arguments.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
September 10 2016 08:05 GMT
#745
Oh, also about the votes:

TT's train doesn't have any solid town-reads on it and that train has been poorly-contested for most of the day; it's been the leading wagon ever since HF scum-read him for the setup spec post. I don't like the odds of a good lynch down that route anymore.

I don't trust TW so this makes me skeptical of a HF train. I notice that quite a few people seem to scum-read him but his train has never taken off. If people could chip in with their thoughts on that, it would be good.
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
September 10 2016 11:53 GMT
#746
Ok, I found 2 of the scum overnight. I am more than very confident here. I am certain.

Calix and Damdred are scums.

Calix, kill me at night, this is another NU-solved-the-game game. It's in your best interest to end me.

@HF, @Vivax -- vote Damdred. We get Calix tomorrow.

"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
September 10 2016 12:46 GMT
#747
Woke up an hour late, so this will be a real quick pop in as I go to work. I might have a few minutes around 4.5 hours from now. Not sure when my break is.

Regarding NU: there are things I really want to clarify from his last post about me, but no one seems to agree with my case, so I'm setting it aside for now. No one agreeing tends to mean I'm on the wrong track, anyway. Thinking back, I do remember thinking he was town before I went all paranoid (I guess) about the lynchbait thing. I can't reaffirm that without going back and rereading his filter, which I don't have e time for atm, so I'm just going to entertain the idea that he's town for now.

I can read a single filter on the way to work. Likely a short one. Got any more info on your damdred scum read NU, or is it already in your filter.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
September 10 2016 12:57 GMT
#748
I know I want to hear his reason for that one post of mine being a town post.
@theRealMkfuba07
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
September 10 2016 13:10 GMT
#749
Most points are in my filter, but if you only have time to read one filter, read his.

Look at how minimally confrontational his posts are. HF saw this in Damdred's play as well. He said that Damdred was acting too nicey nice. Dam tries not to get into any serious interaction to keep a low profile. This is confirmed by his reads only being town-reads. Some scum players have trouble assessing scumtells to town players because they know they are town. This applies to Damdred.

Also, he has been reactive rather than proactive the time he was there. Scumtell.

He has never answered the questions I asked him though that is NAI.

His mindless sheeping and more importantly the fact that he called his vote a sheep vote shows that he wants to ML someone and then give all the ML credit to HF who is the one driving the train.

His posts don't have town tone.

Pre-flip association point: It doesn't help that Calix who has scumslipped at least twice is defending Damdred by saying the train on him is rushed.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 10 2016 13:37 GMT
#750
At least tumblewood is town though, he's ny little buddy. While I think,being paranoid of hf is a good trait to have I really don't think today is a good day to lynch him.

TT isn't your average lurker also, he is a good active town player and a lurker when he's scum or blue. Since he can't be blue meta doesn't lie in this situation. Storm mafia three is a great example of this. Anyone who just equates tt lurking to,general lurkiness is probably just wrong here. He doesn't care his opening post is forced and he's not really doing,anything of,note in the game.

He has no real,scum or town reads past a certain point.

And to the people who go lol Damdred town reads are just on the towniest people in the game. Ok, but they weren't at the time, context is important most of,the game hadn't weighed in on,the fights or anything but I did.

And nu still hasn't figures out how I scum,hint and you don't want to follow him do you?
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 10 2016 13:44 GMT
#751
As for the Grack vs hf fight I'm not sure. It doesn't have the same feeling as a t v t like Grack went from suspecting hf so well to agreeing with him on me and fueling that fire while voting the person who brought it up.

Just has a weird feel to me atm.
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
September 10 2016 14:02 GMT
#752
I know I said that I wouldn't vote Calix even if she was scum, but me not voting someone I consider a guaranteed scum hit is GTing.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
September 10 2016 14:14 GMT
#753
I'd vote calix with you but I don't have time to write out a case today/play but just know that I do agree she's pretty scummy after reading her filter and that atrocious post today.

Also vote Ticktock with me, the logic is infallible and he's mafia.
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
September 10 2016 14:16 GMT
#754
On September 10 2016 23:14 Holyflare wrote:
I'd vote calix with you but I don't have time to write out a case today/play but just know that I do agree she's pretty scummy after reading her filter and that atrocious post today.

Also vote Ticktock with me, the logic is infallible and he's mafia.


I agree with the points you've made, but I'm not convinced that he is mafia.

Calix is 100% mafia to me. My vote stands where it is.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
September 10 2016 14:27 GMT
#755
I mean who says they've skimmed and haven't read properly and asks why there's votes on me but then in the same post explains why there's two people voting me????????????

ALSO who decides to note vote someone based on good evidence just because they semi don't read the 3!!!!! out of 13 people on the wagon????

Not to mention I'm pretty sure she town read me and agreed with my points.

Also first 1/3 of filter is arguments with her town read NU.

Rest of it is just lots of giving out free wishy washy town reads and flip flopping on vivax, I think there's one real case but that's on town Fuba.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 10 2016 14:35 GMT
#756
Bet tt shows up last hour to try to wifom every one into voting someone else just like in storm.

Do not give in lynch tt
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
September 10 2016 14:41 GMT
#757
On September 10 2016 23:27 Holyflare wrote:
I mean who says they've skimmed and haven't read properly and asks why there's votes on me but then in the same post explains why there's two people voting me????????????

ALSO who decides to note vote someone based on good evidence just because they semi don't read the 3!!!!! out of 13 people on the wagon????

Not to mention I'm pretty sure she town read me and agreed with my points.

Also first 1/3 of filter is arguments with her town read NU.

Rest of it is just lots of giving out free wishy washy town reads and flip flopping on vivax, I think there's one real case but that's on town Fuba.


Also, she slipped when she talked about setup spec, saying that town had PRs. Someone who rolled town would know which town roles are in the game. That's the first thing they would check.

Additionally, her LW talk seemed coming from a mafia trying to appear like he's helping town perspective. It in no way helped town. If anything, her proposition would have given mafia more freedom to frame those LWs.
btw, I will not post a LW. Any LW attached to my death is a framed one.

There's also the meta points that make her 100% mafia in my eyes. I will list them later if need be.
@Calix, they're not the shitty meta-reads you usually get scum-read for i.e. being much less active than usual. They're actual things you've only said as scum and will only say as scum.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
September 10 2016 14:48 GMT
#758
On September 10 2016 23:35 Damdred wrote:
Bet tt shows up last hour to try to wifom every one into voting someone else just like in storm.

Do not give in lynch tt

But now he's going to out wifom you by not showing up at all.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 10 2016 14:51 GMT
#759
Then he just gets lynched anyway
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
September 10 2016 14:52 GMT
#760
On September 10 2016 23:51 Damdred wrote:
Then he just gets lynched anyway

But not if everyone thinks he would show up before the vote as scum. It's the perfect mind game!
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