[M][T] Haunted Mansion 3 - Page 37

On September 10 2016 10:19 Holyflare wrote:
My assumption, and it's a very logical assumption to make, is that he actually read/skimmed the entire thread and saw nobody made this point yet and as mafia found a way to look like he was contributing by posting "new information" since mafia love to blend and talk about mechanics.

Then all the other stuff I've posted about him too.

On September 10 2016 10:22 Holyflare wrote:
I can and might be wrong on you and I'm willing to admit that as a possibility too but Ticktock will never not be the lynch for me because unless you can prove my logic wrong then I'm not moving from it.

I will/should talk about other things too though.

On September 10 2016 10:15 Holyflare wrote:
Specifically if you call a thing boring you don't normally want to be talking about it.

If you call a thing boring and that you haven't read it you're not going to be posting about it since people could have already made the exact same point and you're wasting your time.

If you call a thing boring and you haven't read it then you aren't going to make your only content filled post on the game about it either.

On September 10 2016 10:05 Holyflare wrote:
This mindset is like someone coming in to the game and saying the following:

"Oh, I know Grackaroni posted something boring that I haven't read on Holyflare but Holyflare is mafia for being so certain, trying to say I said things a different way, bla, bla bla."

or

"Oh, I know Grackaroni posted something boring that I haven't read on Holyflare but Holyflare is mafia for <insert reasons that COULD have already been talked about before>"

On September 10 2016 10:35 Holyflare wrote:
Even though damdred is voting with me and saying names that I would like to lynch and names that I town read in general reading his posts make me think he's mafia because they just seem too nicey nice and wanting to be everyone's friend and trying to fit in rather than forming a real opinion and pushing it.

I really don't feel like responding to this. Wanted to take a step back from this game.

Go read.

See, you're contradicting yourself again. You state that you didn't think that I was town-reading him, yet believe that I thought he was town. Town-reading someone IS thinking someone is town.

Very cool, very interesting, very dank.

However, the question was: why did you feel the need to add 'when' in there? What does this word tell us that 'if' doesn't? Nothing, but implying that you knew that TW was town.

You are only thinking about me and TW. All of your posts are about either of us. You're not thinking about the game.

AGAIN, you talk theoretically without making connections to the game which is a scumtell!

I don't strongly feel that TW is scum, that's not true. The only read I am confident in is my Vivax TR. If I strongly felt that TW was scum, I'd be voting him.

Lmao, you talk about pre-flip associations Day 1. I scum-read you both individually, not as a team. No one should read players off of others, especially not D1.

I called you scum a while back, sir.

What is the "something that goes against my own belief in what's going on in the thread"?

I'm standing at 6 scum-reads, there are 3 scums. Of course I do not want to lynch all of my scum-reads even more so because I am not confident enough in most of them.

Yes, it's a common thing for players not to systematically want to lynch their scum-reads. i.e. I wouldn't ever lynch Calix day 1 even if I scum-read her because she at least posts and tries to contribute, and I respect that.

If you look at my posts on people, it's clear that I do not know anyone's alignment. My reads have always been nuanced and always had reasoning (like it or not, I have reasoning to sr you).

On September 10 2016 11:50 fuba wrote:
This bugs the shit out of me, because you bitched so much about me not responding even though I told you exactly when I would respond. Then I respond, and you "don't feel like responding to this". You wanted it a short while ago, when you used it to make me look scummy. Now you don't? Ugh.

I have. This doesn't clarify anything, only makes it harder for me to respond to you.

I have not once contradicted myself. If I'm pointing out a contradiction I've found in what YOU said, it doesn't mean I'm the one making a contradiction. The contradiction is that you are both supposedly scumreading TW, while at the same time declaring him town as lynchbait. That is the contradiction.

Completely ignored me. I've already responded to this. It's a ridiculous reason to scumread someone, and is not in any way a scumslip. It's actually impossible for it to be.

So you're not players in the game? I've made clear connections to the game. You're the one talking theoretically. As I mentioned before, you're the one making calls now based on some perceived future theoretical town-flip of TW. You. Are. The. One. Talking. Theoretically. (at least in this dialogue between us that no one seems to want to comment on0

You gave reasons for me to be at least slightly townie 10 hours ago. You decided I was scum 7 hours ago. Wouldn't really call that "calling me scum a while back". In any case, you clearly thought TW was scum. The level of that read is irrelevant. And YOU ARE THE ONE TALKING ABOUT PRE FLIP ASSOCIATIONS DAY ONE AND VOTING ON THAT ASSOCIATION. I mentioned a single thing: that in the future if TW flips town then I would reinvestigate what you had said. This is not at all alignment indicative. Half of the game has already done that. You, however, are deciding that I'm setting you up for a lynch by doing so and voting me for that. Nearly exclusively. The rest being "I didn't like his posts earlier and he said 'when'". I realize that's minimizing what your actual arguments are from your point of view, but that's really all they are to me.

And I'm just going to repeat that my read on you has nothing to do with anyone else's alignment.

I don't really know how to make it any clearer, but I guess I'll try. My first point was that you, while supposedly scumreading TW, called him lynchbait, which in my mind indicates you on some level see him as town. The thought was that the only reason you would say that is as an accident (because "town NU" thinks TW is scummy), and it would be because you ultimately know him to be town. It doesn't have anything to do with me knowing his alignment. He could be whatever. It's that the only reason you would call him lynchbait when you think he's scum, without knowing from previous games that he might be perceived as lynchbait by some people (i.e. you have no personal meta read of him) is that you know he is town in this game, and accidentally reveal that fact. However, if we simply have different definitions of lynchbait, most of this can't be guaranteed true.

I think this little debate isn't really going anywhere. We play in different ways, so while I don't have scumreads unless I want to lynch them, you have plenty of scumreads and therefore don't want to lynch them all. Just gonna have to agree to disagree, and it doesn't really help the discussion. Kinda sorry I brought it up.

Perhaps the second to last sentence is true. You're right that I've mostly focused on this one scenario to the exclusion of much else. It's kind of what I do - see something and latch onto it. I still don't think I'm wrong, but I'll look at your filter tomorrow. Thing is, I feel like you can often distill entire games down into individual moments. Defining moments. Like someone accidentally revealing his scumread is town, or subconsciously allowing privileged information to color their reads and explanations of their reads on other players.