Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff.
On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote: Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.
Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff.
Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it.
Stutters is so far the most obvious townie.
I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart.
This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything!
This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out.
On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote: Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/
To everyone else, this is why we should lynch him today. He's always one step ahead, we'll never catch him.
On a more serious note, how does everyone feel about going with the scummiest of the inevitable inactives? Activity always seems to be a struggle in these games and I won't be lynchbait for once.
I'm usually pro-PL but it's too early to make such a decision. We need to see how others are posting. It's odd that you suggest this so early.
On September 24 2016 07:46 Stutters695 wrote: I'm here and not scum. How disappointing.
Anyway, as it stands I'd be all for a d1 Xata lynch. Pretty sure he's fooled me like the last 3 times he's been mafia and that's no good.
It's not technically a role claim, but it's certainly something unnecessary to say. Why would your first sentence be the equivalent of "I'm not a Mafia."? While it's nothing definite, it seems rather odd to me.
So initially, contrary to Xatalos, i didn't think this is entirely bad. I can see myself saying something like the bolded bit, on the other hand reasons for coming up to the bolded part is shitty. Like Stutter's entry is nothing different than a "First! Townread me!", its entirel nai.
So I'm thinking like hmmm he's a bit confused, then you wrote this...
On September 24 2016 23:53 DanelerH wrote: I am not liking Lunaticman right now. First of all, basically all Lunatic has done is posted a random Town read. Let's take a look at it:
On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote: Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.
Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff.
Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it.
Stutters is so far the most obvious townie.
I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart.
This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything!
This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out.
Lunaticman just throws a random Town-read in the middle of a bunch of irrelevant information. Furthermore, xe doesn't give any reasoning for the Town-read. When asked about it, xe responded with this series of posts:
On September 24 2016 17:32 Calix wrote: Yo. I have a bit of time in the morning to pop in.
I actually don't mind the activity as much as I usually would because the posting isn't just a bunch of useless spam and it's much easier to catch up/ reread stuff.
On September 24 2016 11:46 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote: Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/
Interesting idea. What does this achieve? Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^
Also hi there. I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you. I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night.
Just to pop in with my two cents on this matter. Meta is good for establishing what is NAI for a player. (e.g., how often they vote or if they talk in a particular way) but I agree that a lot of people, myself included at times, use it as a substitute for analysis.
I'm not familiar with many people here (I've only really played with Skynx/ Superbia/ Jealous before) and I'd like to keep it that way so that my analysis isn't skewed by some subjective interpretations of how XYZ played in a game like, 486973 years ago. Only exception is if it's a bad player who has pronounced differences between their town/ scum game that means they make themselves obvious or some shit. So if we could keep the "X is scum/ town due to meta" talk down to a minimum then that'll be lovely.
As far as initial impressions go, I town-lean Jealous (this is mainly because we were posting similar things at approximately the same time when we were questioning Stutters so he's more likely to be coming from the same mindset as myself)
Ambivalent on Daneler. I didn't like his entrance because he was using someone else's words to put forth his opinion and then commented on something that looks odd but his follow-up made sense.
Stutters has done some questionable things with his claims to want to generate discussion. These two posts struck me as strange:
On September 24 2016 08:26 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:21 Jealous wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:19 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote: Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/
To everyone else, this is why we should lynch him today. He's always one step ahead, we'll never catch him.
On a more serious note, how does everyone feel about going with the scummiest of the inevitable inactives? Activity always seems to be a struggle in these games and I won't be lynchbait for once.
I'm usually pro-PL but it's too early to make such a decision. We need to see how others are posting. It's odd that you suggest this so early.
This is how I get reactions (or saying something controversial then lurking and waiting for reactions, but you don't want that). Obviously I don't want to lynch a lurker though because I want to lynch Xata.
Here he says that he was reaction-testing. NAI by itself but the fact that he capitulated so quickly makes me skeptical. Scum are more likely to shy away from their actions in this manner compared to town (who would be more confident in their ability to defend themselves) because they don't want too much attention.
Stutters:
Calix: You only got two responses before claiming it was a reaction-test?
My dear Watson, the game is afoot. That does seem kind of counterproductive in retrospect. I think this is the part though where you guys debate if I'm terrible, trying to come off as terrible while scum or part of some master play.
Here he notes that people are likely to discuss his posts. Again, totally normal thing to say by itself, but what I don't like is the fact that he notes most of the possibilities before anyone can actually talk about him...since this limits opportunities for discussion...which goes against his stated aim of getting reactions and thus starting conversation.
It's not a legit contradiction or anything but I'd like Stutters to flesh out his reasoning here.
On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote: Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.
Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff.
Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it.
Stutters is so far the most obvious townie.
I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart.
This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything!
This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out.
What makes you think Stutters is the most townie player in the thread?
Are you claiming to be one of the dumb-sounding people?
Fourth part is just weird. It states the obvious ("mafia are informed and will try to look townie") but it does it in a hyperbolic manner. Where are you going here?
If you think mafia are leading the discussion then that implies that you suspect players and this is something you did not put down in favour of a town-read. Who could fall under this category of 'leading mafia' in your eyes, if anyone?
Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town.
Please explain
Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least.
On September 24 2016 17:32 Calix wrote: Yo. I have a bit of time in the morning to pop in.
I actually don't mind the activity as much as I usually would because the posting isn't just a bunch of useless spam and it's much easier to catch up/ reread stuff.
On September 24 2016 11:46 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote: Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/
Interesting idea. What does this achieve? Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^
Also hi there. I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you. I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night.
Just to pop in with my two cents on this matter. Meta is good for establishing what is NAI for a player. (e.g., how often they vote or if they talk in a particular way) but I agree that a lot of people, myself included at times, use it as a substitute for analysis.
I'm not familiar with many people here (I've only really played with Skynx/ Superbia/ Jealous before) and I'd like to keep it that way so that my analysis isn't skewed by some subjective interpretations of how XYZ played in a game like, 486973 years ago. Only exception is if it's a bad player who has pronounced differences between their town/ scum game that means they make themselves obvious or some shit. So if we could keep the "X is scum/ town due to meta" talk down to a minimum then that'll be lovely.
As far as initial impressions go, I town-lean Jealous (this is mainly because we were posting similar things at approximately the same time when we were questioning Stutters so he's more likely to be coming from the same mindset as myself)
Ambivalent on Daneler. I didn't like his entrance because he was using someone else's words to put forth his opinion and then commented on something that looks odd but his follow-up made sense.
Stutters has done some questionable things with his claims to want to generate discussion. These two posts struck me as strange:
On September 24 2016 08:26 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:21 Jealous wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:19 Stutters695 wrote: [quote]
To everyone else, this is why we should lynch him today. He's always one step ahead, we'll never catch him.
On a more serious note, how does everyone feel about going with the scummiest of the inevitable inactives? Activity always seems to be a struggle in these games and I won't be lynchbait for once.
I'm usually pro-PL but it's too early to make such a decision. We need to see how others are posting. It's odd that you suggest this so early.
This is how I get reactions (or saying something controversial then lurking and waiting for reactions, but you don't want that). Obviously I don't want to lynch a lurker though because I want to lynch Xata.
Here he says that he was reaction-testing. NAI by itself but the fact that he capitulated so quickly makes me skeptical. Scum are more likely to shy away from their actions in this manner compared to town (who would be more confident in their ability to defend themselves) because they don't want too much attention.
Stutters:
Calix: You only got two responses before claiming it was a reaction-test?
My dear Watson, the game is afoot. That does seem kind of counterproductive in retrospect. I think this is the part though where you guys debate if I'm terrible, trying to come off as terrible while scum or part of some master play.
Here he notes that people are likely to discuss his posts. Again, totally normal thing to say by itself, but what I don't like is the fact that he notes most of the possibilities before anyone can actually talk about him...since this limits opportunities for discussion...which goes against his stated aim of getting reactions and thus starting conversation.
It's not a legit contradiction or anything but I'd like Stutters to flesh out his reasoning here.
On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote: Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.
Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff.
Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it.
Stutters is so far the most obvious townie.
I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart.
This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything!
This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out.
What makes you think Stutters is the most townie player in the thread?
Are you claiming to be one of the dumb-sounding people?
Fourth part is just weird. It states the obvious ("mafia are informed and will try to look townie") but it does it in a hyperbolic manner. Where are you going here?
If you think mafia are leading the discussion then that implies that you suspect players and this is something you did not put down in favour of a town-read. Who could fall under this category of 'leading mafia' in your eyes, if anyone?
Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town.
Please explain
Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least.
I'll remember that. This "I promise I have ghood reasons" comes more often from scum than from town though.
That is just speculation and if you were town you wouldn't force me to say why I have a town read.
On September 24 2016 17:32 Calix wrote: Yo. I have a bit of time in the morning to pop in.
I actually don't mind the activity as much as I usually would because the posting isn't just a bunch of useless spam and it's much easier to catch up/ reread stuff.
On September 24 2016 11:46 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote: [quote] Interesting idea. What does this achieve? Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^
Also hi there. I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you. I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night.
Just to pop in with my two cents on this matter. Meta is good for establishing what is NAI for a player. (e.g., how often they vote or if they talk in a particular way) but I agree that a lot of people, myself included at times, use it as a substitute for analysis.
I'm not familiar with many people here (I've only really played with Skynx/ Superbia/ Jealous before) and I'd like to keep it that way so that my analysis isn't skewed by some subjective interpretations of how XYZ played in a game like, 486973 years ago. Only exception is if it's a bad player who has pronounced differences between their town/ scum game that means they make themselves obvious or some shit. So if we could keep the "X is scum/ town due to meta" talk down to a minimum then that'll be lovely.
As far as initial impressions go, I town-lean Jealous (this is mainly because we were posting similar things at approximately the same time when we were questioning Stutters so he's more likely to be coming from the same mindset as myself)
Ambivalent on Daneler. I didn't like his entrance because he was using someone else's words to put forth his opinion and then commented on something that looks odd but his follow-up made sense.
Stutters has done some questionable things with his claims to want to generate discussion. These two posts struck me as strange:
On September 24 2016 08:26 Stutters695 wrote: [quote] This is how I get reactions (or saying something controversial then lurking and waiting for reactions, but you don't want that). Obviously I don't want to lynch a lurker though because I want to lynch Xata.
Here he says that he was reaction-testing. NAI by itself but the fact that he capitulated so quickly makes me skeptical. Scum are more likely to shy away from their actions in this manner compared to town (who would be more confident in their ability to defend themselves) because they don't want too much attention.
Stutters: [quote] My dear Watson, the game is afoot. That does seem kind of counterproductive in retrospect. I think this is the part though where you guys debate if I'm terrible, trying to come off as terrible while scum or part of some master play.
Here he notes that people are likely to discuss his posts. Again, totally normal thing to say by itself, but what I don't like is the fact that he notes most of the possibilities before anyone can actually talk about him...since this limits opportunities for discussion...which goes against his stated aim of getting reactions and thus starting conversation.
It's not a legit contradiction or anything but I'd like Stutters to flesh out his reasoning here.
On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote: [quote]
Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it.
Stutters is so far the most obvious townie.
I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart.
This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything!
This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out.
What makes you think Stutters is the most townie player in the thread?
Are you claiming to be one of the dumb-sounding people?
Fourth part is just weird. It states the obvious ("mafia are informed and will try to look townie") but it does it in a hyperbolic manner. Where are you going here?
If you think mafia are leading the discussion then that implies that you suspect players and this is something you did not put down in favour of a town-read. Who could fall under this category of 'leading mafia' in your eyes, if anyone?
Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town.
Please explain
Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least.
I'll remember that. This "I promise I have ghood reasons" comes more often from scum than from town though.
That is just speculation and if you were town you wouldn't force me to say why I have a town read.
Why woudln't I do such a thing ? So apparently you think I'm scum ?
No I didn't say that you are scum I just find it suspect why I have to tell you why I town read him even though I don't want to yet.
There is no reason not to give your reasoning for a Town-read. I want to know why you think Shutters is Town and I will not accept "I'll tell you later" as an answer.
In this post the mindset transforms from confusion into a tryhard sr imo.
Jealous fits his meta so far, not much of an opinion otherwise. He responded well to Rels' aggression imo, but need more time to decide on him. I feel confident meta reading him as time goes by, his spectacular natural tone not one bit prone to aggression is hard to fake
On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote: Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/
To everyone else, this is why we should lynch him today. He's always one step ahead, we'll never catch him.
On a more serious note, how does everyone feel about going with the scummiest of the inevitable inactives? Activity always seems to be a struggle in these games and I won't be lynchbait for once.
I'm usually pro-PL but it's too early to make such a decision. We need to see how others are posting. It's odd that you suggest this so early.
This, plus there's Shutter's first post:
On September 24 2016 07:46 Stutters695 wrote: I'm here and not scum. How disappointing.
Anyway, as it stands I'd be all for a d1 Xata lynch. Pretty sure he's fooled me like the last 3 times he's been mafia and that's no good.
It's not technically a role claim, but it's certainly something unnecessary to say. Why would your first sentence be the equivalent of "I'm not a Mafia."? While it's nothing definite, it seems rather odd to me.
So initially, contrary to Xatalos, i didn't think this is entirely bad. I can see myself saying something like the bolded bit, on the other hand reasons for coming up to the bolded part is shitty. Like Stutter's entry is nothing different than a "First! Townread me!", its entirel nai.
So I'm thinking like hmmm he's a bit confused, then you wrote this...
On September 24 2016 23:53 DanelerH wrote: I am not liking Lunaticman right now. First of all, basically all Lunatic has done is posted a random Town read. Let's take a look at it:
On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote: Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.
Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff.
Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it.
Stutters is so far the most obvious townie.
I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart.
This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything!
This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out.
Lunaticman just throws a random Town-read in the middle of a bunch of irrelevant information. Furthermore, xe doesn't give any reasoning for the Town-read. When asked about it, xe responded with this series of posts:
On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 17:32 Calix wrote: Yo. I have a bit of time in the morning to pop in.
I actually don't mind the activity as much as I usually would because the posting isn't just a bunch of useless spam and it's much easier to catch up/ reread stuff.
On September 24 2016 11:46 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote: Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/
Interesting idea. What does this achieve? Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^
Also hi there. I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you. I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night.
Just to pop in with my two cents on this matter. Meta is good for establishing what is NAI for a player. (e.g., how often they vote or if they talk in a particular way) but I agree that a lot of people, myself included at times, use it as a substitute for analysis.
I'm not familiar with many people here (I've only really played with Skynx/ Superbia/ Jealous before) and I'd like to keep it that way so that my analysis isn't skewed by some subjective interpretations of how XYZ played in a game like, 486973 years ago. Only exception is if it's a bad player who has pronounced differences between their town/ scum game that means they make themselves obvious or some shit. So if we could keep the "X is scum/ town due to meta" talk down to a minimum then that'll be lovely.
As far as initial impressions go, I town-lean Jealous (this is mainly because we were posting similar things at approximately the same time when we were questioning Stutters so he's more likely to be coming from the same mindset as myself)
Ambivalent on Daneler. I didn't like his entrance because he was using someone else's words to put forth his opinion and then commented on something that looks odd but his follow-up made sense.
Stutters has done some questionable things with his claims to want to generate discussion. These two posts struck me as strange:
On September 24 2016 08:26 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:21 Jealous wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:19 Stutters695 wrote: [quote]
To everyone else, this is why we should lynch him today. He's always one step ahead, we'll never catch him.
On a more serious note, how does everyone feel about going with the scummiest of the inevitable inactives? Activity always seems to be a struggle in these games and I won't be lynchbait for once.
I'm usually pro-PL but it's too early to make such a decision. We need to see how others are posting. It's odd that you suggest this so early.
This is how I get reactions (or saying something controversial then lurking and waiting for reactions, but you don't want that). Obviously I don't want to lynch a lurker though because I want to lynch Xata.
Here he says that he was reaction-testing. NAI by itself but the fact that he capitulated so quickly makes me skeptical. Scum are more likely to shy away from their actions in this manner compared to town (who would be more confident in their ability to defend themselves) because they don't want too much attention.
Stutters:
Calix: You only got two responses before claiming it was a reaction-test?
My dear Watson, the game is afoot. That does seem kind of counterproductive in retrospect. I think this is the part though where you guys debate if I'm terrible, trying to come off as terrible while scum or part of some master play.
Here he notes that people are likely to discuss his posts. Again, totally normal thing to say by itself, but what I don't like is the fact that he notes most of the possibilities before anyone can actually talk about him...since this limits opportunities for discussion...which goes against his stated aim of getting reactions and thus starting conversation.
It's not a legit contradiction or anything but I'd like Stutters to flesh out his reasoning here.
On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote: Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.
Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff.
Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it.
Stutters is so far the most obvious townie.
I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart.
This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything!
This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out.
What makes you think Stutters is the most townie player in the thread?
Are you claiming to be one of the dumb-sounding people?
Fourth part is just weird. It states the obvious ("mafia are informed and will try to look townie") but it does it in a hyperbolic manner. Where are you going here?
If you think mafia are leading the discussion then that implies that you suspect players and this is something you did not put down in favour of a town-read. Who could fall under this category of 'leading mafia' in your eyes, if anyone?
Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town.
Please explain
Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least.
On September 24 2016 20:49 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:27 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 17:32 Calix wrote: Yo. I have a bit of time in the morning to pop in.
I actually don't mind the activity as much as I usually would because the posting isn't just a bunch of useless spam and it's much easier to catch up/ reread stuff.
On September 24 2016 11:46 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote: [quote] Interesting idea. What does this achieve? Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^
Also hi there. I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you. I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night.
Just to pop in with my two cents on this matter. Meta is good for establishing what is NAI for a player. (e.g., how often they vote or if they talk in a particular way) but I agree that a lot of people, myself included at times, use it as a substitute for analysis.
I'm not familiar with many people here (I've only really played with Skynx/ Superbia/ Jealous before) and I'd like to keep it that way so that my analysis isn't skewed by some subjective interpretations of how XYZ played in a game like, 486973 years ago. Only exception is if it's a bad player who has pronounced differences between their town/ scum game that means they make themselves obvious or some shit. So if we could keep the "X is scum/ town due to meta" talk down to a minimum then that'll be lovely.
As far as initial impressions go, I town-lean Jealous (this is mainly because we were posting similar things at approximately the same time when we were questioning Stutters so he's more likely to be coming from the same mindset as myself)
Ambivalent on Daneler. I didn't like his entrance because he was using someone else's words to put forth his opinion and then commented on something that looks odd but his follow-up made sense.
Stutters has done some questionable things with his claims to want to generate discussion. These two posts struck me as strange:
On September 24 2016 08:26 Stutters695 wrote: [quote] This is how I get reactions (or saying something controversial then lurking and waiting for reactions, but you don't want that). Obviously I don't want to lynch a lurker though because I want to lynch Xata.
Here he says that he was reaction-testing. NAI by itself but the fact that he capitulated so quickly makes me skeptical. Scum are more likely to shy away from their actions in this manner compared to town (who would be more confident in their ability to defend themselves) because they don't want too much attention.
Stutters: [quote] My dear Watson, the game is afoot. That does seem kind of counterproductive in retrospect. I think this is the part though where you guys debate if I'm terrible, trying to come off as terrible while scum or part of some master play.
Here he notes that people are likely to discuss his posts. Again, totally normal thing to say by itself, but what I don't like is the fact that he notes most of the possibilities before anyone can actually talk about him...since this limits opportunities for discussion...which goes against his stated aim of getting reactions and thus starting conversation.
It's not a legit contradiction or anything but I'd like Stutters to flesh out his reasoning here.
On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote: [quote]
Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it.
Stutters is so far the most obvious townie.
I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart.
This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything!
This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out.
What makes you think Stutters is the most townie player in the thread?
Are you claiming to be one of the dumb-sounding people?
Fourth part is just weird. It states the obvious ("mafia are informed and will try to look townie") but it does it in a hyperbolic manner. Where are you going here?
If you think mafia are leading the discussion then that implies that you suspect players and this is something you did not put down in favour of a town-read. Who could fall under this category of 'leading mafia' in your eyes, if anyone?
Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town.
Please explain
Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least.
I'll remember that. This "I promise I have ghood reasons" comes more often from scum than from town though.
That is just speculation and if you were town you wouldn't force me to say why I have a town read.
On September 24 2016 21:20 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:51 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:49 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:27 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote: [quote]
Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town.
Please explain
Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least.
I'll remember that. This "I promise I have ghood reasons" comes more often from scum than from town though.
That is just speculation and if you were town you wouldn't force me to say why I have a town read.
Why woudln't I do such a thing ? So apparently you think I'm scum ?
No I didn't say that you are scum I just find it suspect why I have to tell you why I town read him even though I don't want to yet.
There is no reason not to give your reasoning for a Town-read. I want to know why you think Shutters is Town and I will not accept "I'll tell you later" as an answer.
In this post the mindset transforms from confusion into a tryhard sr imo.
Hmm... I'm a bit confused... What was the point/conclusion of this post? That he noticed my pressure of being so wishy-washy and switched to tryhard (sr?) mode? And does this make him scummy or what? How does it relate to his first post?
Maybe it's not "entirely bad", but still the least towny way to start the game from what I've seen. I guess it's not like it's a scumclaim or anything like that
It's a soft scumread, the point of the post being.
I tried to show the way i went thinking about the post, so someone trying to interpret it the same way can see if it makes sense to him aswell.
On September 25 2016 04:56 ptmc wrote: I still cannot follow Lunaticmans reasoning on Stutters at all. I don't even see how it is discussing blue roles, since any checks would be done in the upcoming night phase?
So i kind of agree with Rels and Xatalos in that regard, however fail to see why Xatalos dislikes DanelerH? What is your opinion of him, Skynx?
305 I mention his reasoning doesn't relate to his posting mindset, its a soft scumread at this point. Rels seems to like his way of going about Luna pr prediction on Stutters but its not much of a tell from my pow.
On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote: Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/
To everyone else, this is why we should lynch him today. He's always one step ahead, we'll never catch him.
On a more serious note, how does everyone feel about going with the scummiest of the inevitable inactives? Activity always seems to be a struggle in these games and I won't be lynchbait for once.
I'm usually pro-PL but it's too early to make such a decision. We need to see how others are posting. It's odd that you suggest this so early.
This, plus there's Shutter's first post:
On September 24 2016 07:46 Stutters695 wrote: I'm here and not scum. How disappointing.
Anyway, as it stands I'd be all for a d1 Xata lynch. Pretty sure he's fooled me like the last 3 times he's been mafia and that's no good.
It's not technically a role claim, but it's certainly something unnecessary to say. Why would your first sentence be the equivalent of "I'm not a Mafia."? While it's nothing definite, it seems rather odd to me.
So initially, contrary to Xatalos, i didn't think this is entirely bad. I can see myself saying something like the bolded bit, on the other hand reasons for coming up to the bolded part is shitty. Like Stutter's entry is nothing different than a "First! Townread me!", its entirel nai.
So I'm thinking like hmmm he's a bit confused, then you wrote this...
On September 24 2016 23:53 DanelerH wrote: I am not liking Lunaticman right now. First of all, basically all Lunatic has done is posted a random Town read. Let's take a look at it:
On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote: Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.
Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff.
Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it.
Stutters is so far the most obvious townie.
I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart.
This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything!
This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out.
Lunaticman just throws a random Town-read in the middle of a bunch of irrelevant information. Furthermore, xe doesn't give any reasoning for the Town-read. When asked about it, xe responded with this series of posts:
On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 17:32 Calix wrote: Yo. I have a bit of time in the morning to pop in.
I actually don't mind the activity as much as I usually would because the posting isn't just a bunch of useless spam and it's much easier to catch up/ reread stuff.
On September 24 2016 11:46 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote: [quote] Interesting idea. What does this achieve? Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^
Also hi there. I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you. I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night.
Just to pop in with my two cents on this matter. Meta is good for establishing what is NAI for a player. (e.g., how often they vote or if they talk in a particular way) but I agree that a lot of people, myself included at times, use it as a substitute for analysis.
I'm not familiar with many people here (I've only really played with Skynx/ Superbia/ Jealous before) and I'd like to keep it that way so that my analysis isn't skewed by some subjective interpretations of how XYZ played in a game like, 486973 years ago. Only exception is if it's a bad player who has pronounced differences between their town/ scum game that means they make themselves obvious or some shit. So if we could keep the "X is scum/ town due to meta" talk down to a minimum then that'll be lovely.
As far as initial impressions go, I town-lean Jealous (this is mainly because we were posting similar things at approximately the same time when we were questioning Stutters so he's more likely to be coming from the same mindset as myself)
Ambivalent on Daneler. I didn't like his entrance because he was using someone else's words to put forth his opinion and then commented on something that looks odd but his follow-up made sense.
Stutters has done some questionable things with his claims to want to generate discussion. These two posts struck me as strange:
On September 24 2016 08:26 Stutters695 wrote: [quote] This is how I get reactions (or saying something controversial then lurking and waiting for reactions, but you don't want that). Obviously I don't want to lynch a lurker though because I want to lynch Xata.
Here he says that he was reaction-testing. NAI by itself but the fact that he capitulated so quickly makes me skeptical. Scum are more likely to shy away from their actions in this manner compared to town (who would be more confident in their ability to defend themselves) because they don't want too much attention.
Stutters: [quote] My dear Watson, the game is afoot. That does seem kind of counterproductive in retrospect. I think this is the part though where you guys debate if I'm terrible, trying to come off as terrible while scum or part of some master play.
Here he notes that people are likely to discuss his posts. Again, totally normal thing to say by itself, but what I don't like is the fact that he notes most of the possibilities before anyone can actually talk about him...since this limits opportunities for discussion...which goes against his stated aim of getting reactions and thus starting conversation.
It's not a legit contradiction or anything but I'd like Stutters to flesh out his reasoning here.
On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote: [quote]
Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it.
Stutters is so far the most obvious townie.
I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart.
This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything!
This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out.
What makes you think Stutters is the most townie player in the thread?
Are you claiming to be one of the dumb-sounding people?
Fourth part is just weird. It states the obvious ("mafia are informed and will try to look townie") but it does it in a hyperbolic manner. Where are you going here?
If you think mafia are leading the discussion then that implies that you suspect players and this is something you did not put down in favour of a town-read. Who could fall under this category of 'leading mafia' in your eyes, if anyone?
Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town.
Please explain
Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least.
On September 24 2016 20:49 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:27 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote: [quote]
Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town.
Please explain
Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least.
I'll remember that. This "I promise I have ghood reasons" comes more often from scum than from town though.
That is just speculation and if you were town you wouldn't force me to say why I have a town read.
On September 24 2016 21:20 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:51 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:49 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:27 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote: [quote]
Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least.
I'll remember that. This "I promise I have ghood reasons" comes more often from scum than from town though.
That is just speculation and if you were town you wouldn't force me to say why I have a town read.
Why woudln't I do such a thing ? So apparently you think I'm scum ?
No I didn't say that you are scum I just find it suspect why I have to tell you why I town read him even though I don't want to yet.
There is no reason not to give your reasoning for a Town-read. I want to know why you think Shutters is Town and I will not accept "I'll tell you later" as an answer.
In this post the mindset transforms from confusion into a tryhard sr imo.
Hmm... I'm a bit confused... What was the point/conclusion of this post? That he noticed my pressure of being so wishy-washy and switched to tryhard (sr?) mode? And does this make him scummy or what? How does it relate to his first post?
Maybe it's not "entirely bad", but still the least towny way to start the game from what I've seen. I guess it's not like it's a scumclaim or anything like that
It's a soft scumread, the point of the post being.
I tried to show the way i went thinking about the post, so someone trying to interpret it the same way can see if it makes sense to him aswell.
Hm. Ok. But I'm still a bit confused. How did he go from the first post (neutralish?) to somewhat scummy... Because his attitude changed to tryhard afterwards?
I mean
It's not technically a role claim, but it's certainly something unnecessary to say. Why would your first sentence be the equivalent of "I'm not a Mafia."? While it's nothing definite, it seems rather odd to me.
This at first feels neutral territory thing, questioning the entry, posing out something unnecessary from it however it is actually nothing at all. The entire thing is purely nai with everyone being capable of saying all sorts of stupid stuff like "hey 1st post tr me plx ty xoxo" at beginning of the game and we just laugh it off. How he went about making that whole post was very triggering for me, then i saw the post about Lunatic and I'm like "ok this guys is literally trying to find absurd reasons to sr ppl".
On September 26 2016 02:21 Xatalos wrote: Well, actually there's also a third scenario, where he's town and simply messed up by making a blue read, including it in his read list for some reason (without specifically saying that he thought he was a blue) and then saying it out loud in the heat of the moment. I guess that's a bit more likely than the scenario #2 after all since he's a newbie... But scenario #1 seems the most credible one, I guess. Hm. Any opinions?
Man I somehow feel like Luna is just misinformed town trying to cover up mistake of being lazy and saying he's blue.
Fuck me actually i dont think I'll have any time at all
I'm an ok lynch if u guys feel like it sry i thought i'd have more time to play but im kinda moving houses and uni begins tomorrow.
If not tho my top sr is DYH. His chain of questions few pages back really don't accomplish anything at all. It really looks like he's farming town points while doinh nothing.
On September 24 2016 23:53 DanelerH wrote: I am not liking Lunaticman right now. First of all, basically all Lunatic has done is posted a random Town read. Let's take a look at it:
On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote: Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.
Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff.
Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it.
Stutters is so far the most obvious townie.
I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart.
This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything!
This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out.
Lunaticman just throws a random Town-read in the middle of a bunch of irrelevant information. Furthermore, xe doesn't give any reasoning for the Town-read. When asked about it, xe responded with this series of posts:
On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 17:32 Calix wrote: Yo. I have a bit of time in the morning to pop in.
I actually don't mind the activity as much as I usually would because the posting isn't just a bunch of useless spam and it's much easier to catch up/ reread stuff.
On September 24 2016 11:46 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote: Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/
Interesting idea. What does this achieve? Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^
Also hi there. I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you. I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night.
Just to pop in with my two cents on this matter. Meta is good for establishing what is NAI for a player. (e.g., how often they vote or if they talk in a particular way) but I agree that a lot of people, myself included at times, use it as a substitute for analysis.
I'm not familiar with many people here (I've only really played with Skynx/ Superbia/ Jealous before) and I'd like to keep it that way so that my analysis isn't skewed by some subjective interpretations of how XYZ played in a game like, 486973 years ago. Only exception is if it's a bad player who has pronounced differences between their town/ scum game that means they make themselves obvious or some shit. So if we could keep the "X is scum/ town due to meta" talk down to a minimum then that'll be lovely.
As far as initial impressions go, I town-lean Jealous (this is mainly because we were posting similar things at approximately the same time when we were questioning Stutters so he's more likely to be coming from the same mindset as myself)
Ambivalent on Daneler. I didn't like his entrance because he was using someone else's words to put forth his opinion and then commented on something that looks odd but his follow-up made sense.
Stutters has done some questionable things with his claims to want to generate discussion. These two posts struck me as strange:
On September 24 2016 08:26 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:21 Jealous wrote: [quote] I'm usually pro-PL but it's too early to make such a decision. We need to see how others are posting. It's odd that you suggest this so early.
This is how I get reactions (or saying something controversial then lurking and waiting for reactions, but you don't want that). Obviously I don't want to lynch a lurker though because I want to lynch Xata.
Here he says that he was reaction-testing. NAI by itself but the fact that he capitulated so quickly makes me skeptical. Scum are more likely to shy away from their actions in this manner compared to town (who would be more confident in their ability to defend themselves) because they don't want too much attention.
Stutters:
Calix: You only got two responses before claiming it was a reaction-test?
My dear Watson, the game is afoot. That does seem kind of counterproductive in retrospect. I think this is the part though where you guys debate if I'm terrible, trying to come off as terrible while scum or part of some master play.
Here he notes that people are likely to discuss his posts. Again, totally normal thing to say by itself, but what I don't like is the fact that he notes most of the possibilities before anyone can actually talk about him...since this limits opportunities for discussion...which goes against his stated aim of getting reactions and thus starting conversation.
It's not a legit contradiction or anything but I'd like Stutters to flesh out his reasoning here.
On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote: Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.
Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff.
Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it.
Stutters is so far the most obvious townie.
I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart.
This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything!
This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out.
What makes you think Stutters is the most townie player in the thread?
Are you claiming to be one of the dumb-sounding people?
Fourth part is just weird. It states the obvious ("mafia are informed and will try to look townie") but it does it in a hyperbolic manner. Where are you going here?
If you think mafia are leading the discussion then that implies that you suspect players and this is something you did not put down in favour of a town-read. Who could fall under this category of 'leading mafia' in your eyes, if anyone?
Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town.
Please explain
Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least.
On September 24 2016 20:49 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:27 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 17:32 Calix wrote: Yo. I have a bit of time in the morning to pop in.
I actually don't mind the activity as much as I usually would because the posting isn't just a bunch of useless spam and it's much easier to catch up/ reread stuff.
[quote]
Just to pop in with my two cents on this matter. Meta is good for establishing what is NAI for a player. (e.g., how often they vote or if they talk in a particular way) but I agree that a lot of people, myself included at times, use it as a substitute for analysis.
I'm not familiar with many people here (I've only really played with Skynx/ Superbia/ Jealous before) and I'd like to keep it that way so that my analysis isn't skewed by some subjective interpretations of how XYZ played in a game like, 486973 years ago. Only exception is if it's a bad player who has pronounced differences between their town/ scum game that means they make themselves obvious or some shit. So if we could keep the "X is scum/ town due to meta" talk down to a minimum then that'll be lovely.
As far as initial impressions go, I town-lean Jealous (this is mainly because we were posting similar things at approximately the same time when we were questioning Stutters so he's more likely to be coming from the same mindset as myself)
Ambivalent on Daneler. I didn't like his entrance because he was using someone else's words to put forth his opinion and then commented on something that looks odd but his follow-up made sense.
Stutters has done some questionable things with his claims to want to generate discussion. These two posts struck me as strange:
[quote]
Here he says that he was reaction-testing. NAI by itself but the fact that he capitulated so quickly makes me skeptical. Scum are more likely to shy away from their actions in this manner compared to town (who would be more confident in their ability to defend themselves) because they don't want too much attention.
[quote]
Here he notes that people are likely to discuss his posts. Again, totally normal thing to say by itself, but what I don't like is the fact that he notes most of the possibilities before anyone can actually talk about him...since this limits opportunities for discussion...which goes against his stated aim of getting reactions and thus starting conversation.
It's not a legit contradiction or anything but I'd like Stutters to flesh out his reasoning here.
[quote]
What makes you think Stutters is the most townie player in the thread?
Are you claiming to be one of the dumb-sounding people?
Fourth part is just weird. It states the obvious ("mafia are informed and will try to look townie") but it does it in a hyperbolic manner. Where are you going here?
If you think mafia are leading the discussion then that implies that you suspect players and this is something you did not put down in favour of a town-read. Who could fall under this category of 'leading mafia' in your eyes, if anyone?
Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town.
Please explain
Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least.
I'll remember that. This "I promise I have ghood reasons" comes more often from scum than from town though.
That is just speculation and if you were town you wouldn't force me to say why I have a town read.
On September 24 2016 21:20 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:51 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:49 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:27 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote: [quote] Please explain
Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least.
I'll remember that. This "I promise I have ghood reasons" comes more often from scum than from town though.
That is just speculation and if you were town you wouldn't force me to say why I have a town read.
Why woudln't I do such a thing ? So apparently you think I'm scum ?
No I didn't say that you are scum I just find it suspect why I have to tell you why I town read him even though I don't want to yet.
There is no reason not to give your reasoning for a Town-read. I want to know why you think Shutters is Town and I will not accept "I'll tell you later" as an answer.
The game is 4 pages long day one, take a chill pill. I dare to say I have done more than half the players in the game and in my experience you never hit mafia day one. It is much better to build a town circle.
Also Stutters is in all likelyhood a blue role. And if he dies it is on you and Rels.
Am I crazy for thinking this is an anti town post? Making Stutters out to be blue role with no nuance is downright retarded.
It is absolutely anti-town. Do you think it is bad play or scum?
On September 25 2016 10:53 DoYouHas wrote: So is it bad enough that you would want to lynch him or do you currently have a stronger scum read on someone else currently?
I mean these supposed to make it look like he's pressuring Jealous for explanations but he sort of responds and nothing from DYH regarding his stance on Luna.
Then he switches to SEQ, stating bunch of thoughts which actually doesn't say anything.
On September 25 2016 10:11 DoYouHas wrote: I am around Stutters. What are your thoughts on ptmc? I'll trade you for some on SEQ.
I don't think ptmc is a better lynch before SEQ gets to respond.
Voting me with his focus on Luna is super weird also.
SEQ does not bother me much at all. He reads like he jumped in with both feet and started rooting around. The line you bolded would be weak reasoning if he had actually gone after Xata or spread suspicion on him, but I don't think he did. He moves on pretty quickly and after talking about mafia in a pretty general sense (not unusual for someone new to forum mafia, especially with Jealous getting into it too) he seems to be scumhunting. You have picked a pretty early statement from him that does not, to me, hold the significance you are assigning it.
Like there is not a final verdict, he says he doesnt bother him then bunch of thoughts filling the air and thats it.
On September 25 2016 10:11 DoYouHas wrote: I am around Stutters. What are your thoughts on ptmc? I'll trade you for some on SEQ.
I don't think ptmc is a better lynch before SEQ gets to respond.
Voting me with his focus on Luna is super weird also.
SEQ does not bother me much at all. He reads like he jumped in with both feet and started rooting around. The line you bolded would be weak reasoning if he had actually gone after Xata or spread suspicion on him, but I don't think he did. He moves on pretty quickly and after talking about mafia in a pretty general sense (not unusual for someone new to forum mafia, especially with Jealous getting into it too) he seems to be scumhunting. You have picked a pretty early statement from him that does not, to me, hold the significance you are assigning it.
All of his statements are from around that time. Not to mention the apologetic/cautious nature. Just kind of screams first time scum to me.
I want to see what you are seeing. I think you are likely town. Can you walk me through it like I'm an idiot? Where is his apologetic/cautious nature evident?
This is kinda more evident of all tho, when he pushes Jealous for avoiding answering questions and he himself disappeara after this kind of questioning.
Yeh my top lynch target i guess, all of this above feels like activity for sake of activity to me.
Thats best i can do from phone guys, sory for being afk so far this game Hopefully i can pick it up later on.
On September 26 2016 03:38 Skynx wrote: Fuck me actually i dont think I'll have any time at all
I'm an ok lynch if u guys feel like it sry i thought i'd have more time to play but im kinda moving houses and uni begins tomorrow.
If not tho my top sr is DYH. His chain of questions few pages back really don't accomplish anything at all. It really looks like he's farming town points while doinh nothing.
On September 25 2016 10:16 DoYouHas wrote:
On September 25 2016 10:15 Jealous wrote:
On September 25 2016 00:23 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 23:53 DanelerH wrote: I am not liking Lunaticman right now. First of all, basically all Lunatic has done is posted a random Town read. Let's take a look at it:
On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote: Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.
Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff.
Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it.
Stutters is so far the most obvious townie.
I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart.
This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything!
This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out.
Lunaticman just throws a random Town-read in the middle of a bunch of irrelevant information. Furthermore, xe doesn't give any reasoning for the Town-read. When asked about it, xe responded with this series of posts:
On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 17:32 Calix wrote: Yo. I have a bit of time in the morning to pop in.
I actually don't mind the activity as much as I usually would because the posting isn't just a bunch of useless spam and it's much easier to catch up/ reread stuff.
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Just to pop in with my two cents on this matter. Meta is good for establishing what is NAI for a player. (e.g., how often they vote or if they talk in a particular way) but I agree that a lot of people, myself included at times, use it as a substitute for analysis.
I'm not familiar with many people here (I've only really played with Skynx/ Superbia/ Jealous before) and I'd like to keep it that way so that my analysis isn't skewed by some subjective interpretations of how XYZ played in a game like, 486973 years ago. Only exception is if it's a bad player who has pronounced differences between their town/ scum game that means they make themselves obvious or some shit. So if we could keep the "X is scum/ town due to meta" talk down to a minimum then that'll be lovely.
As far as initial impressions go, I town-lean Jealous (this is mainly because we were posting similar things at approximately the same time when we were questioning Stutters so he's more likely to be coming from the same mindset as myself)
Ambivalent on Daneler. I didn't like his entrance because he was using someone else's words to put forth his opinion and then commented on something that looks odd but his follow-up made sense.
Stutters has done some questionable things with his claims to want to generate discussion. These two posts struck me as strange:
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Here he says that he was reaction-testing. NAI by itself but the fact that he capitulated so quickly makes me skeptical. Scum are more likely to shy away from their actions in this manner compared to town (who would be more confident in their ability to defend themselves) because they don't want too much attention.
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Here he notes that people are likely to discuss his posts. Again, totally normal thing to say by itself, but what I don't like is the fact that he notes most of the possibilities before anyone can actually talk about him...since this limits opportunities for discussion...which goes against his stated aim of getting reactions and thus starting conversation.
It's not a legit contradiction or anything but I'd like Stutters to flesh out his reasoning here.
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What makes you think Stutters is the most townie player in the thread?
Are you claiming to be one of the dumb-sounding people?
Fourth part is just weird. It states the obvious ("mafia are informed and will try to look townie") but it does it in a hyperbolic manner. Where are you going here?
If you think mafia are leading the discussion then that implies that you suspect players and this is something you did not put down in favour of a town-read. Who could fall under this category of 'leading mafia' in your eyes, if anyone?
Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town.
Please explain
Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least.
On September 24 2016 20:49 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:27 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote: [quote] Please explain
Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least.
I'll remember that. This "I promise I have ghood reasons" comes more often from scum than from town though.
That is just speculation and if you were town you wouldn't force me to say why I have a town read.
On September 24 2016 21:20 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:51 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:49 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:27 Rels wrote: [quote] I'll remember that. This "I promise I have ghood reasons" comes more often from scum than from town though.
That is just speculation and if you were town you wouldn't force me to say why I have a town read.
Why woudln't I do such a thing ? So apparently you think I'm scum ?
No I didn't say that you are scum I just find it suspect why I have to tell you why I town read him even though I don't want to yet.
There is no reason not to give your reasoning for a Town-read. I want to know why you think Shutters is Town and I will not accept "I'll tell you later" as an answer.
The game is 4 pages long day one, take a chill pill. I dare to say I have done more than half the players in the game and in my experience you never hit mafia day one. It is much better to build a town circle.
Also Stutters is in all likelyhood a blue role. And if he dies it is on you and Rels.
Am I crazy for thinking this is an anti town post? Making Stutters out to be blue role with no nuance is downright retarded.
It is absolutely anti-town. Do you think it is bad play or scum?
On September 25 2016 10:53 DoYouHas wrote: So is it bad enough that you would want to lynch him or do you currently have a stronger scum read on someone else currently?
I mean these supposed to make it look like he's pressuring Jealous for explanations but he sort of responds and nothing from DYH regarding his stance on Luna.
Then he switches to SEQ, stating bunch of thoughts which actually doesn't say anything.
On September 25 2016 11:02 DoYouHas wrote:
On September 25 2016 10:56 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 25 2016 10:11 DoYouHas wrote: I am around Stutters. What are your thoughts on ptmc? I'll trade you for some on SEQ.
I don't think ptmc is a better lynch before SEQ gets to respond.
Voting me with his focus on Luna is super weird also.
SEQ does not bother me much at all. He reads like he jumped in with both feet and started rooting around. The line you bolded would be weak reasoning if he had actually gone after Xata or spread suspicion on him, but I don't think he did. He moves on pretty quickly and after talking about mafia in a pretty general sense (not unusual for someone new to forum mafia, especially with Jealous getting into it too) he seems to be scumhunting. You have picked a pretty early statement from him that does not, to me, hold the significance you are assigning it.
Like there is not a final verdict, he says he doesnt bother him then bunch of thoughts filling the air and thats it.
On September 25 2016 11:35 DoYouHas wrote:
On September 25 2016 11:29 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 25 2016 11:02 DoYouHas wrote:
On September 25 2016 10:56 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 25 2016 10:11 DoYouHas wrote: I am around Stutters. What are your thoughts on ptmc? I'll trade you for some on SEQ.
I don't think ptmc is a better lynch before SEQ gets to respond.
Voting me with his focus on Luna is super weird also.
SEQ does not bother me much at all. He reads like he jumped in with both feet and started rooting around. The line you bolded would be weak reasoning if he had actually gone after Xata or spread suspicion on him, but I don't think he did. He moves on pretty quickly and after talking about mafia in a pretty general sense (not unusual for someone new to forum mafia, especially with Jealous getting into it too) he seems to be scumhunting. You have picked a pretty early statement from him that does not, to me, hold the significance you are assigning it.
All of his statements are from around that time. Not to mention the apologetic/cautious nature. Just kind of screams first time scum to me.
I want to see what you are seeing. I think you are likely town. Can you walk me through it like I'm an idiot? Where is his apologetic/cautious nature evident?
This is kinda more evident of all tho, when he pushes Jealous for avoiding answering questions and he himself disappeara after this kind of questioning.
Yeh my top lynch target i guess, all of this above feels like activity for sake of activity to me.
Thats best i can do from phone guys, sory for being afk so far this game Hopefully i can pick it up later on.
Way i thought about you three is cuz all were super ready for the lynch and considered no one else for the day so one infliator there is ready to get eternal towncred for bussing early on with no risk involved.
I read Calix filter, pretty sure he's town almost 100% of the time with the actualy game solving mentality throughout.
Scott and Super I'm ok with tr'ing based on the tone. Like the all natural and genuine tone is there for majority of their posts while I'm not getting the same for some people. Man who was it someone told me Scott never ever busses as scum anyone can relate?
On September 27 2016 05:44 Skynx wrote: I read Calix filter, pretty sure he's town almost 100% of the time with the actualy game solving mentality throughout.
Scott and Super I'm ok with tr'ing based on the tone. Like the all natural and genuine tone is there for majority of their posts while I'm not getting the same for some people. Man who was it someone told me Scott never ever busses as scum anyone can relate?
On September 27 2016 05:59 Jealous wrote: @Calix: I'm still on my phone as I still have not made it back home lol. So I guess you could call it lazy but I'll be dammed if I try to navigate multiple tabs on my phone and search who said what when it was the idea and not the person that I was affronted by. As you said, I covered the possibility that I made a mistake.
@Skynx: Are you really just going to play "he said, she said" and use it to justify a town read on Scott based on a meta read someone from outside the game had that states that he doesn't bus scum teammates?
Lmao like meta barely matters here its just that little thing popped into my mind even if it was solid its still not a full justifiable reason, altho it does add some points in my book. Now i think about it, it was Koshi so just ignore the meta bit.
On September 27 2016 06:06 Skynx wrote: I'll re-read Scott now if u guys want but 7-8 pages from here he looked ok to me.
Do you have any new reads that you want to bring to the table? What's the point in spending your (limited) time on people that you think have town-tone?
people like ptmc, Xata, Stutters, Jealous are all kinda in the middle with some reasons available justifying both alignments. They need proper analysis as their tone, meta, mind meld or all that kind of easy read stuff doesn't apply to them cuz they are inconsistent.
So you kinda solve the easy questions first then move on to hard ones.
On September 27 2016 06:06 Skynx wrote: I'll re-read Scott now if u guys want but 7-8 pages from here he looked ok to me.
Do you have any new reads that you want to bring to the table? What's the point in spending your (limited) time on people that you think have town-tone?
people like ptmc, Xata, Stutters, Jealous are all kinda in the middle with some reasons available justifying both alignments. They need proper analysis as their tone, meta, mind meld or all that kind of easy read stuff doesn't apply to them cuz they are inconsistent.
So you kinda solve the easy questions first then move on to hard ones.
That's swell as a strategy and all, so let us know when you get started on the 'difficult' analysis. Easy stuff is scrub-tier.
I'm working on it bro, busy days organising stuff :/
On September 27 2016 06:19 Calix wrote: If you think that mafia would find it impossible to push Lunatic like SEQ did (will check in a moment) then what stops him from being in your god-tier town bracket?
On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote: Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.
Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff.
Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it.
Stutters is so far the most obvious townie.
I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart.
This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything!
This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out.
Thanks for the read though not sure how you arrived on that conclusion on the obvious townie part of Stutters, would like some elaboration please. but the rest of the post feels like it is filled with filler. Don't get the point of it.
This is the first post him pushing Lunatic, like only few hours into game.
On September 25 2016 01:51 Lunaticman wrote: Im going to concert so the TLDR, is tone/meta/activity. Stutters has shown more intrest and activity in the first day than recent games combined.
Of course he has a power role, and from context I dont think he is mafia.
I am kind of suprised by how this escelated from a simple townread. It feels like someone doesnt want to build a town circle and jerk peoples chain instead.
& what is wrong with jerking people's chain approach exactly???
On September 25 2016 07:50 Lunaticman wrote: You clearly didnt read the whole thing ptmc because I got pressured into saying Stutters was a blue read by rels and Da.
They called me scum for it and I saw no positive outcome in hiding the information since he could br killed by being a townread player anyway. No matter how you spin it you can make anyone look scummy.
Im going to sleep now and Im putting my vote on Da so I dont miss it.
Confused here. How does one get pressured into a blue read? Your read is your read, f*ck everyone else's opinion unless you are unsure. ^_^ (though I may have interpreted this part, oopsie if I did) also note: just because you do scummy things, you shouldn't change your actions/thoughts for other people, playing to someone else's ways is going to make you look a hellava scummier player by being unsure of your playstyle.
He continues on like this until Lunatic does the blue read and all that jazz. He literally forces a mistake from mafia by sheer pressure.
You're right he should be top tier actually but i dunno some stuff in my mind prevented that. I'm actually so fkin tired.
On September 27 2016 06:19 Calix wrote: If you think that mafia would find it impossible to push Lunatic like SEQ did (will check in a moment) then what stops him from being in your god-tier town bracket?
On September 25 2016 11:56 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:
On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote: Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.
Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff.
Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it.
Stutters is so far the most obvious townie.
I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart.
This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything!
This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out.
Thanks for the read though not sure how you arrived on that conclusion on the obvious townie part of Stutters, would like some elaboration please. but the rest of the post feels like it is filled with filler. Don't get the point of it.
This is the first post him pushing Lunatic, like only few hours into game.
On September 25 2016 12:30 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:
On September 25 2016 01:51 Lunaticman wrote: Im going to concert so the TLDR, is tone/meta/activity. Stutters has shown more intrest and activity in the first day than recent games combined.
Of course he has a power role, and from context I dont think he is mafia.
I am kind of suprised by how this escelated from a simple townread. It feels like someone doesnt want to build a town circle and jerk peoples chain instead.
& what is wrong with jerking people's chain approach exactly???
On September 25 2016 12:41 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:
On September 25 2016 07:50 Lunaticman wrote: You clearly didnt read the whole thing ptmc because I got pressured into saying Stutters was a blue read by rels and Da.
They called me scum for it and I saw no positive outcome in hiding the information since he could br killed by being a townread player anyway. No matter how you spin it you can make anyone look scummy.
Im going to sleep now and Im putting my vote on Da so I dont miss it.
Confused here. How does one get pressured into a blue read? Your read is your read, f*ck everyone else's opinion unless you are unsure. ^_^ (though I may have interpreted this part, oopsie if I did) also note: just because you do scummy things, you shouldn't change your actions/thoughts for other people, playing to someone else's ways is going to make you look a hellava scummier player by being unsure of your playstyle.
He continues on like this until Lunatic does the blue read and all that jazz. He literally forces a mistake from mafia by sheer pressure.
You're right he should be top tier actually but i dunno some stuff in my mind prevented that. I'm actually so fkin tired.
While I agree that he is likely town, I think you're giving him too much credit here. He wasn't the only person pushing Lunatic in the manner that you described above - this leads me to conclude that SEQ was part of the collective pressure on Lunatic, not that SEQ was the sole player who was pressuring Lunatic prior to the TPR post.
Tired, huh? All I have to do to relate is to read your posts But I'd like a more fleshed-out read if we're both still alive in like 20 fucking minutes, lol.
I'll go back and check later on but pretty sure like 3 of the initial 5 votes on Luna at 1st half came after he dropped the blue-read bomb, after that its super easy for anyone playing the game to sr Luna. When SEQ pushes him to make a mistake as mafia lol I mean that only happens when like they decided straight away for the specific tactics in qt and i think its very minimal %.
On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote: Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.
Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff.
You could look at it as a Lunatic push, but it's really not. It's just a random comment with no follow-up or relevance whatsoever. Could be distancing, could be a genuine throwaway comment, nothing conclusive either way. It was just a forgotten line in a forgotten post.
But after that he basically ignores everything Lunatic-related, only making these comments that can't be exactly called as anti-Lunatic:
On September 26 2016 02:21 Xatalos wrote: Well, actually there's also a third scenario, where he's town and simply messed up by making a blue read, including it in his read list for some reason (without specifically saying that he thought he was a blue) and then saying it out loud in the heat of the moment. I guess that's a bit more likely than the scenario #2 after all since he's a newbie... But scenario #1 seems the most credible one, I guess. Hm. Any opinions?
Man I somehow feel like Luna is just misinformed town trying to cover up mistake of being lazy and saying he's blue.
On September 26 2016 03:38 Skynx wrote: Fuck me actually i dont think I'll have any time at all
I'm an ok lynch if u guys feel like it sry i thought i'd have more time to play but im kinda moving houses and uni begins tomorrow.
If not tho my top sr is DYH. His chain of questions few pages back really don't accomplish anything at all. It really looks like he's farming town points while doinh nothing.
On September 25 2016 10:16 DoYouHas wrote:
On September 25 2016 10:15 Jealous wrote:
On September 25 2016 00:23 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 23:53 DanelerH wrote: I am not liking Lunaticman right now. First of all, basically all Lunatic has done is posted a random Town read. Let's take a look at it:
On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote: Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.
Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff.
Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it.
Stutters is so far the most obvious townie.
I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart.
This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything!
This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out.
Lunaticman just throws a random Town-read in the middle of a bunch of irrelevant information. Furthermore, xe doesn't give any reasoning for the Town-read. When asked about it, xe responded with this series of posts:
On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 17:32 Calix wrote: Yo. I have a bit of time in the morning to pop in.
I actually don't mind the activity as much as I usually would because the posting isn't just a bunch of useless spam and it's much easier to catch up/ reread stuff.
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Just to pop in with my two cents on this matter. Meta is good for establishing what is NAI for a player. (e.g., how often they vote or if they talk in a particular way) but I agree that a lot of people, myself included at times, use it as a substitute for analysis.
I'm not familiar with many people here (I've only really played with Skynx/ Superbia/ Jealous before) and I'd like to keep it that way so that my analysis isn't skewed by some subjective interpretations of how XYZ played in a game like, 486973 years ago. Only exception is if it's a bad player who has pronounced differences between their town/ scum game that means they make themselves obvious or some shit. So if we could keep the "X is scum/ town due to meta" talk down to a minimum then that'll be lovely.
As far as initial impressions go, I town-lean Jealous (this is mainly because we were posting similar things at approximately the same time when we were questioning Stutters so he's more likely to be coming from the same mindset as myself)
Ambivalent on Daneler. I didn't like his entrance because he was using someone else's words to put forth his opinion and then commented on something that looks odd but his follow-up made sense.
Stutters has done some questionable things with his claims to want to generate discussion. These two posts struck me as strange:
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Here he says that he was reaction-testing. NAI by itself but the fact that he capitulated so quickly makes me skeptical. Scum are more likely to shy away from their actions in this manner compared to town (who would be more confident in their ability to defend themselves) because they don't want too much attention.
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Here he notes that people are likely to discuss his posts. Again, totally normal thing to say by itself, but what I don't like is the fact that he notes most of the possibilities before anyone can actually talk about him...since this limits opportunities for discussion...which goes against his stated aim of getting reactions and thus starting conversation.
It's not a legit contradiction or anything but I'd like Stutters to flesh out his reasoning here.
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What makes you think Stutters is the most townie player in the thread?
Are you claiming to be one of the dumb-sounding people?
Fourth part is just weird. It states the obvious ("mafia are informed and will try to look townie") but it does it in a hyperbolic manner. Where are you going here?
If you think mafia are leading the discussion then that implies that you suspect players and this is something you did not put down in favour of a town-read. Who could fall under this category of 'leading mafia' in your eyes, if anyone?
Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town.
Please explain
Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least.
On September 24 2016 20:49 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:27 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote: [quote] Please explain
Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least.
I'll remember that. This "I promise I have ghood reasons" comes more often from scum than from town though.
That is just speculation and if you were town you wouldn't force me to say why I have a town read.
On September 24 2016 21:20 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:51 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:49 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:27 Rels wrote: [quote] I'll remember that. This "I promise I have ghood reasons" comes more often from scum than from town though.
That is just speculation and if you were town you wouldn't force me to say why I have a town read.
Why woudln't I do such a thing ? So apparently you think I'm scum ?
No I didn't say that you are scum I just find it suspect why I have to tell you why I town read him even though I don't want to yet.
There is no reason not to give your reasoning for a Town-read. I want to know why you think Shutters is Town and I will not accept "I'll tell you later" as an answer.
The game is 4 pages long day one, take a chill pill. I dare to say I have done more than half the players in the game and in my experience you never hit mafia day one. It is much better to build a town circle.
Also Stutters is in all likelyhood a blue role. And if he dies it is on you and Rels.
Am I crazy for thinking this is an anti town post? Making Stutters out to be blue role with no nuance is downright retarded.
It is absolutely anti-town. Do you think it is bad play or scum?
On September 25 2016 10:53 DoYouHas wrote: So is it bad enough that you would want to lynch him or do you currently have a stronger scum read on someone else currently?
I mean these supposed to make it look like he's pressuring Jealous for explanations but he sort of responds and nothing from DYH regarding his stance on Luna.
Then he switches to SEQ, stating bunch of thoughts which actually doesn't say anything.
On September 25 2016 11:02 DoYouHas wrote:
On September 25 2016 10:56 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 25 2016 10:11 DoYouHas wrote: I am around Stutters. What are your thoughts on ptmc? I'll trade you for some on SEQ.
I don't think ptmc is a better lynch before SEQ gets to respond.
Voting me with his focus on Luna is super weird also.
SEQ does not bother me much at all. He reads like he jumped in with both feet and started rooting around. The line you bolded would be weak reasoning if he had actually gone after Xata or spread suspicion on him, but I don't think he did. He moves on pretty quickly and after talking about mafia in a pretty general sense (not unusual for someone new to forum mafia, especially with Jealous getting into it too) he seems to be scumhunting. You have picked a pretty early statement from him that does not, to me, hold the significance you are assigning it.
Like there is not a final verdict, he says he doesnt bother him then bunch of thoughts filling the air and thats it.
On September 25 2016 11:35 DoYouHas wrote:
On September 25 2016 11:29 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 25 2016 11:02 DoYouHas wrote:
On September 25 2016 10:56 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 25 2016 10:11 DoYouHas wrote: I am around Stutters. What are your thoughts on ptmc? I'll trade you for some on SEQ.
I don't think ptmc is a better lynch before SEQ gets to respond.
Voting me with his focus on Luna is super weird also.
SEQ does not bother me much at all. He reads like he jumped in with both feet and started rooting around. The line you bolded would be weak reasoning if he had actually gone after Xata or spread suspicion on him, but I don't think he did. He moves on pretty quickly and after talking about mafia in a pretty general sense (not unusual for someone new to forum mafia, especially with Jealous getting into it too) he seems to be scumhunting. You have picked a pretty early statement from him that does not, to me, hold the significance you are assigning it.
All of his statements are from around that time. Not to mention the apologetic/cautious nature. Just kind of screams first time scum to me.
I want to see what you are seeing. I think you are likely town. Can you walk me through it like I'm an idiot? Where is his apologetic/cautious nature evident?
This is kinda more evident of all tho, when he pushes Jealous for avoiding answering questions and he himself disappeara after this kind of questioning.
Yeh my top lynch target i guess, all of this above feels like activity for sake of activity to me.
Thats best i can do from phone guys, sory for being afk so far this game Hopefully i can pick it up later on.
This post is basically saying just "lynch me or DYH". Nothing about Lunatic at this point. It would make a lot of sense if Skynx was just a Mafia Goon or something and it would suck to lose the Roleblocker, so it would be even better to kill himself than Lunatic? Naturally he votes for DYH though.
I guess this means DYH and Skynx probably aren't scum together though. But nothing really makes Skynx town and a lot of things fit with him being Lunatic's partner.
1) Mostly ignoring Lunatic-related events in the thread. 2) No real stance on him except slight reluctance to lynch him. 3) Ultimately preferring to even lynch himself over Lunatic....?
Moving on....
My dear Xatalos,
1) You are accusing me of ignoring Lunatic-related events when you're the one trying to shut down blue discussion the moment it started.
2) The WORST PART: You are implying me focussing some one else than scum makes me scum, however half the game is now scumreading DYH. Even Rels of all people who initially tought it was bs. Do you think DYH is town in this case? Do you think my reads on DYH is bullshit? If you not, how does having a logical case on someone else when another mafia dies makes me scum?
3) Mafia 100000% busses here, i don't even have to explain this. Lunatic was unsaveable, he slipped.
4) That post is not saying "lynch me or DYH". I was offski most of D1 so town would be rightfull to lynch me so it was me showing some activity in the short amount of time I had. I made my stance about Luna earlier as u quoted, no need to repeat in every post something Luna related because he flipped scum.
5) Your entire strategy suggesting me sacrificing myself for Luna I have no idea how someone can see that here. So I was afk on purpose to save my scumbuddy on EoD by suggesting myself as a policy lynch???
6) So the whole thing is mostly associative that now Super is dead and Luna is scum and I'm the only off-wagon. Nice try.
Verdict: Scum This is not a push town would make. He's basically invalid and wrong about every point made and reaching conclusions that are totally irrelevant to what he quotes as a reasoning. Big up tho, you made my life easier cuz now i don't have to check your filter to conclude you're highly likely scum.
On September 28 2016 01:06 Xatalos wrote: Ok, first there's this post:
On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote: Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.
Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff.
You could look at it as a Lunatic push, but it's really not. It's just a random comment with no follow-up or relevance whatsoever. Could be distancing, could be a genuine throwaway comment, nothing conclusive either way. It was just a forgotten line in a forgotten post.
But after that he basically ignores everything Lunatic-related, only making these comments that can't be exactly called as anti-Lunatic:
On September 25 2016 04:37 Skynx wrote: What makes you so soure Stutters pr Lunatic?
On September 26 2016 02:33 Skynx wrote:
On September 26 2016 02:21 Xatalos wrote: Well, actually there's also a third scenario, where he's town and simply messed up by making a blue read, including it in his read list for some reason (without specifically saying that he thought he was a blue) and then saying it out loud in the heat of the moment. I guess that's a bit more likely than the scenario #2 after all since he's a newbie... But scenario #1 seems the most credible one, I guess. Hm. Any opinions?
Man I somehow feel like Luna is just misinformed town trying to cover up mistake of being lazy and saying he's blue.
AND then there's the worst part:
On September 26 2016 03:38 Skynx wrote: Fuck me actually i dont think I'll have any time at all
I'm an ok lynch if u guys feel like it sry i thought i'd have more time to play but im kinda moving houses and uni begins tomorrow.
If not tho my top sr is DYH. His chain of questions few pages back really don't accomplish anything at all. It really looks like he's farming town points while doinh nothing.
On September 25 2016 10:16 DoYouHas wrote:
On September 25 2016 10:15 Jealous wrote:
On September 25 2016 00:23 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 23:53 DanelerH wrote: I am not liking Lunaticman right now. First of all, basically all Lunatic has done is posted a random Town read. Let's take a look at it:
On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote: Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.
Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff.
Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it.
Stutters is so far the most obvious townie.
I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart.
This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything!
This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out.
Lunaticman just throws a random Town-read in the middle of a bunch of irrelevant information. Furthermore, xe doesn't give any reasoning for the Town-read. When asked about it, xe responded with this series of posts:
On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote: [quote] Please explain
Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least.
On September 24 2016 20:49 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:27 Rels wrote: [quote] I'll remember that. This "I promise I have ghood reasons" comes more often from scum than from town though.
That is just speculation and if you were town you wouldn't force me to say why I have a town read.
On September 24 2016 21:20 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:51 Rels wrote: [quote] Why woudln't I do such a thing ? So apparently you think I'm scum ?
No I didn't say that you are scum I just find it suspect why I have to tell you why I town read him even though I don't want to yet.
There is no reason not to give your reasoning for a Town-read. I want to know why you think Shutters is Town and I will not accept "I'll tell you later" as an answer.
The game is 4 pages long day one, take a chill pill. I dare to say I have done more than half the players in the game and in my experience you never hit mafia day one. It is much better to build a town circle.
Also Stutters is in all likelyhood a blue role. And if he dies it is on you and Rels.
Am I crazy for thinking this is an anti town post? Making Stutters out to be blue role with no nuance is downright retarded.
It is absolutely anti-town. Do you think it is bad play or scum?
On September 25 2016 10:53 DoYouHas wrote: So is it bad enough that you would want to lynch him or do you currently have a stronger scum read on someone else currently?
I mean these supposed to make it look like he's pressuring Jealous for explanations but he sort of responds and nothing from DYH regarding his stance on Luna.
Then he switches to SEQ, stating bunch of thoughts which actually doesn't say anything.
On September 25 2016 11:02 DoYouHas wrote:
On September 25 2016 10:56 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 25 2016 10:11 DoYouHas wrote: I am around Stutters. What are your thoughts on ptmc? I'll trade you for some on SEQ.
I don't think ptmc is a better lynch before SEQ gets to respond.
Voting me with his focus on Luna is super weird also.
SEQ does not bother me much at all. He reads like he jumped in with both feet and started rooting around. The line you bolded would be weak reasoning if he had actually gone after Xata or spread suspicion on him, but I don't think he did. He moves on pretty quickly and after talking about mafia in a pretty general sense (not unusual for someone new to forum mafia, especially with Jealous getting into it too) he seems to be scumhunting. You have picked a pretty early statement from him that does not, to me, hold the significance you are assigning it.
Like there is not a final verdict, he says he doesnt bother him then bunch of thoughts filling the air and thats it.
On September 25 2016 11:35 DoYouHas wrote:
On September 25 2016 11:29 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 25 2016 11:02 DoYouHas wrote:
On September 25 2016 10:56 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 25 2016 10:11 DoYouHas wrote: I am around Stutters. What are your thoughts on ptmc? I'll trade you for some on SEQ.
I don't think ptmc is a better lynch before SEQ gets to respond.
Voting me with his focus on Luna is super weird also.
SEQ does not bother me much at all. He reads like he jumped in with both feet and started rooting around. The line you bolded would be weak reasoning if he had actually gone after Xata or spread suspicion on him, but I don't think he did. He moves on pretty quickly and after talking about mafia in a pretty general sense (not unusual for someone new to forum mafia, especially with Jealous getting into it too) he seems to be scumhunting. You have picked a pretty early statement from him that does not, to me, hold the significance you are assigning it.
All of his statements are from around that time. Not to mention the apologetic/cautious nature. Just kind of screams first time scum to me.
I want to see what you are seeing. I think you are likely town. Can you walk me through it like I'm an idiot? Where is his apologetic/cautious nature evident?
This is kinda more evident of all tho, when he pushes Jealous for avoiding answering questions and he himself disappeara after this kind of questioning.
Yeh my top lynch target i guess, all of this above feels like activity for sake of activity to me.
Thats best i can do from phone guys, sory for being afk so far this game Hopefully i can pick it up later on.
This post is basically saying just "lynch me or DYH". Nothing about Lunatic at this point. It would make a lot of sense if Skynx was just a Mafia Goon or something and it would suck to lose the Roleblocker, so it would be even better to kill himself than Lunatic? Naturally he votes for DYH though.
I guess this means DYH and Skynx probably aren't scum together though. But nothing really makes Skynx town and a lot of things fit with him being Lunatic's partner.
1) Mostly ignoring Lunatic-related events in the thread. 2) No real stance on him except slight reluctance to lynch him. 3) Ultimately preferring to even lynch himself over Lunatic....?
Moving on....
My dear Xatalos,
1) You are accusing me of ignoring Lunatic-related events when you're the one trying to shut down blue discussion the moment it started.
2) The WORST PART: You are implying me focussing some one else than scum makes me scum, however half the game is now scumreading DYH. Even Rels of all people who initially tought it was bs. Do you think DYH is town in this case? Do you think my reads on DYH is bullshit? If you not, how does having a logical case on someone else when another mafia dies makes me scum?
3) Mafia 100000% busses here, i don't even have to explain this. Lunatic was unsaveable, he slipped.
4) That post is not saying "lynch me or DYH". I was offski most of D1 so town would be rightfull to lynch me so it was me showing some activity in the short amount of time I had. I made my stance about Luna earlier as u quoted, no need to repeat in every post something Luna related because he flipped scum.
5) Your entire strategy suggesting me sacrificing myself for Luna I have no idea how someone can see that here. So I was afk on purpose to save my scumbuddy on EoD by suggesting myself as a policy lynch???
6) So the whole thing is mostly associative that now Super is dead and Luna is scum and I'm the only off-wagon. Nice try.
Verdict: Scum This is not a push town would make. He's basically invalid and wrong about every point made and reaching conclusions that are totally irrelevant to what he quotes as a reasoning. Big up tho, you made my life easier cuz now i don't have to check your filter to conclude you're highly likely scum.
OMGUS mucho
How do my own doings relate to what you did? If I did something "bad", it doesn't atone for you.
DYH isn't confirmed scum. If he were, then you would look somewhat better of course, but that's not the case, and can't be the basis of my read on you.
Like I said, bussing at that point wouldn't have done you any good. In fact, it could have backfired, like could have happened with DYH/scott if one of them is scum.
Well, have fun pushing me if you're scum. If you're town, I'd suggest something more productive.
So you just flat out ignored all the pointers I made which kinda underlined how your push was horribad. They were all also supposed to explain how none of what you said associated scum me with Luna flipping scum.
Now DYH is getting lynched, you can't bus him aswell can you?
On September 24 2016 09:43 DoYouHas wrote: Nevermind, I can just look it up myself.
Calix and Xata read pretty townie to me.
Don't know about you other 3 yet.
First tr, few hours into game. I mean surely there is shit ton of explanation how Xata is different to 'other 3' here.
On September 24 2016 11:26 DoYouHas wrote: I think I like you as well Stutters. Good on ya.
- I'll try to get into something beyond these gut reads tomorrow, hopefully when a few more people have posted. As is I'm pretty happy with tonight. 3/5 for my town pile and 2 I need to think about and watch. Gnight.
Few hours later, townread solidified by putting into townpile, again not much behind it.
On September 26 2016 10:32 DoYouHas wrote: Ok, here is where I'm at for the night
Mafia Jealous
Town Rels SEQ Calix Stutters Skynx
Probably Town Xata
Looking better post-flip Dane
Unsure Scott Superbia ptmc Dane(again)
48 hours later, sudden drop and separation from clear townreads with no mentioning of Xata at all in posts taking place in that 48 hours.
On September 27 2016 09:22 DoYouHas wrote: Response to Rels:
#1. I actually had 3 people I thought were likely scum D1. I also gave 4 town reads. I can't really respond to you saying everyone one of my reads is scummy since I don't know what that means.
I currently have no scum reads. I think I was wrong on Jealous and I'm not going to just jump to another person until I reassess the game. This just is what it is. I don't think it is scummy to realize a flaw in your own case, in fact I think it shows that I wasn't just trying to attack Jealous, I genuinely thought he was scum.
But apparently for no other reason than him attacking Lunatic, which after the flip is kind of hard to sell?
For claiming to know my meta you have a strange way of repeating history. In the exact game you reference you come after me for having low volume, for not liking the way I voted, and for not having scum reads, all around D1 and N1. Sound familiar? The case that caught HtS came AFTER a reassessment of the game and AFTER being attacked by yourself and others for not having scumreads. You paint me as a mover and shaker that gets shit done but forget that I really wasn't until I gained a mound of town cred for my role in getting HtS lynched. It is eerie how similar this early game dynamic between us is.
#2. "DYH baited a conversation" sounds so devious. As if I was luring Stutters into some big mistake. Which was what exactly? Talking to me? Talking about ptmc? I phrased it the way I did because why the hell not. I don't have a plan or a scheme or a reason outside of wanting to hear what he thought of ptmc and doing so before disagreeing with him about SEQ. Which is exactly what happened. I don't know where you are getting, "Stutters didn't take the bait". He gave me 2 solid thoughts on ptmc. Just because they were brief and my thoughts on SEQ weren't doesn't change that.
#3. Me in respect to the Luna lynch is the only decent point you make here. I didn't think providing a town read on Stutters without a reason made him scum. After all, I had done the exact same thing and everyone focusing on Luna completely ignored it. I was actually thinking he was town, even after the power role crap even though it was anti-town. It was far from a confident read, but that was the way I was leaning. It wasn't until he had shut down for a goodly length of time that I started accepting him as a good lynch target. With him actually flipping scum my hesitancy in pursuing him and voting him doesn't look good, fair enough.
However, here is where your argument is just bad. I did not like the play of Dane and Jealous, I thought their play was scummy. Their suspicions happened to be on Luna.
I don't agree that they "happened to be" on Luna. They called him out for playing weird, and his play just got weirder from it. And why would you focus on only Dane and Jealous, when literally the whole thread except for you, scott and stutters (and superbia) was pressuring Lunatic?
I thought Luna's play was anti-town and it was his lack of activity that pushed him into scummy territory. I wasn't putting forth my guess for the complete scum team, I was putting forth the people who looked scummy enough to me that I would want to lynch them, without drawing on pre-flip association. -
Every way you characterize me as scum is undercut by something else you don't like.
I don't want to analyse Luna but I engage Jealous on the topic. I 'defend' Luna by putting Dane and Jealous in my lynch list, but do nothing to move the lynch. I 'bus' Luna but in no way set myself up to look good on the flip.
I feel like the bus was too quick for mafia to react with a decent bus anyway.
but I would be the most half-measure, lackluster scum ever, failing to take advantage of anything. I would really hope you would realize I'm better than that.
so far i see very little good from you. Easily leaning towards the half-measure scum.
On September 28 2016 18:42 Calix wrote: I don't relate to a lot of the associative logic that's being used. Probably a site meta difference because scum on my site are more prone to low-key pushing their scum buddies to distance themselves before making some weird-ass defenses of them later on so it's really jarring to see people (like myself, Skynx, TT, etc) get town-read with the first point as a large contributing factor to that town-read. Is it really that rare for scum buddies to question each other?
Both the Skynx case (by Xatalos) and the Xatalos associations case (by Skynx) were absolute crap and were reliant on confirmation bias to support a pre-existing point. They just consisted of some throwaway comments which may possibly indicate scum/ scum interactions but maybe not and it was painful to read. Of those posts, TT made the best point when he said that Xatalos was being a hedge master with regards to Lunatic and talking too much and saying too little. Could just be how he talks (if anyone who's played with him before could chip in with their thoughts there then that would be good) but if I find the time then I'm going to see if his tone changed over the game. If it did then that's incriminating as hell.
Skynx' reaction to Xatalos was the most riled up I've seen him and that was in response to him being attacked. It stands out to me because of the departure from his more resigned "lynch me" attitude near the D1 EOD to someone who is defending themselves more vigorously.
@Skynx, what changed for you here?
Right now I think DYH is the best lynch. He's still not scum-hunting and whatever he's preparing had better be good and a lot of his defense was WIFOM (I wouldn't do X as scum) and meta analysis (which I don't understand nor do I care to because meta is shit). It's funny because he's spent more time on talking about himself over anyone else and that self-involvement is not something that comes from town.
Yeah, this can die.
Stutters is also scummy. Something I've noticed with him is that he is always promising to do certain things ("I'll have this big post ready before EON/ EOD" being just one example) but has followed through on almost none of them and I have not seen a RL reason for him not doing that or any explanation at all. He just drops it. It's like he says that to get people off his back because nobody wants to waste someone's time when they've promised to do XYZ.
@Scott, I've just started university and I just got a new job, so I only get an hour or so to myself on most days.
Above two are the players I think are the most likely scum atm. I think Scott is also a possibility and TT's points make me want to re-visit my Xatalos read too. Also going to look at Jealous, Skynx too just because they have been less active so I need to remind myself of what they've done this game.
Man you might wanna read it again i think you got us mixed up.
None of my reasons voting Xata was associative, in fact quite the opposite i sr him cuz of his bad reasons for associating me with Lunatic which are all long long shots of assumption the way he presented them. My case is based on the fact that town!Xata is incapable of reaching these conclusions from an unbiased pow.
About me presenting myself as lynch target i agree that now it turned out to be a bad idea cuz i havent read the thread at all at that point and didnt knew Luna's lynch was like 95% certain. It was mainly cuz i've been so busy and town would be right to lynch me at that point.
I don't relate to a lot of the associative logic that's being used. Probably a site meta difference because scum on my site are more prone to low-key pushing their scum buddies to distance themselves before making some weird-ass defenses of them later on so it's really jarring to see people (like myself, Skynx, TT, etc) get town-read with the first point as a large contributing factor to that town-read. Is it really that rare for scum buddies to question each other?
Both the Skynx case (by Xatalos) and the Xatalos associations case (by Skynx) were absolute crap and were reliant on confirmation bias to support a pre-existing point. They just consisted of some throwaway comments which may possibly indicate scum/ scum interactions but maybe not and it was painful to read. Of those posts, TT made the best point when he said that Xatalos was being a hedge master with regards to Lunatic and talking too much and saying too little. Could just be how he talks (if anyone who's played with him before could chip in with their thoughts there then that would be good) but if I find the time then I'm going to see if his tone changed over the game. If it did then that's incriminating as hell.
Skynx' reaction to Xatalos was the most riled up I've seen him and that was in response to him being attacked. It stands out to me because of the departure from his more resigned "lynch me" attitude near the D1 EOD to someone who is defending themselves more vigorously.
@Skynx, what changed for you here?
Right now I think DYH is the best lynch. He's still not scum-hunting and whatever he's preparing had better be good and a lot of his defense was WIFOM (I wouldn't do X as scum) and meta analysis (which I don't understand nor do I care to because meta is shit). It's funny because he's spent more time on talking about himself over anyone else and that self-involvement is not something that comes from town.
Yeah, this can die.
Stutters is also scummy. Something I've noticed with him is that he is always promising to do certain things ("I'll have this big post ready before EON/ EOD" being just one example) but has followed through on almost none of them and I have not seen a RL reason for him not doing that or any explanation at all. He just drops it. It's like he says that to get people off his back because nobody wants to waste someone's time when they've promised to do XYZ. + Show Spoiler +
@Scott, I've just started university and I just got a new job, so I only get an hour or so to myself on most days.
Above two are the players I think are the most likely scum atm. I think Scott is also a possibility and TT's points make me want to re-visit my Xatalos read too. Also going to look at Jealous, Skynx too just because they have been less active so I need to remind myself of what they've done this game.
Finally someone also sees the scumminess in him. I was starting to think i was insane
On September 28 2016 18:51 Rels wrote: I want to respond to your Stutters thing but I'm leaving for lunch. I'll do it after that because to me he's either confirmed town or scum depending on how this game develops, unless I misread something
Please do. there are definitely cases where I can see him being town in the future, but I don't feel like the overarching tr he is getting atm is warranted.
On September 24 2016 14:17 Stutters695 wrote: Going to the bar for a bit so don't expect a lot of activity. What is RVS
On September 25 2016 08:03 Stutters695 wrote: Seriously, did no one else catch what I quoted before I left besides Luna?
I'll give you a hint, go read SEQs filter (9 posts). The one I quoted shows a clear lack of reading, even incredibly early in the game.
I'm working another 2 hours, but if anyone has any questions fire away. No comment on the blue stuff, scum can try to figure it out on their own.
On September 25 2016 11:38 Stutters695 wrote: Will do in a bit. At a bar atm.
On September 25 2016 11:52 Stutters695 wrote: I'll type this up in full once we leave and I go home, but drunk me would also be all about a Luna lynch
Too much barz n bitchez.
On September 26 2016 03:35 Stutters695 wrote: Catchinh up right now
On September 27 2016 00:01 Stutters695 wrote: Here's what's going to happen. I'm going to type some stuff up. Usually I would wait until EoD, but I work before then so I'll just throw it out. You guys will be like "wow, he does things and they make some sense, this dude is probably town." Just know you're cutting into my Overwatch time and that makes me sad.
On September 27 2016 03:11 Skynx wrote: Both Scott and Jeal look alright to me why ppl wanna lynch them?
One of the bussers is prolly one of the highly townread pace controllers aka Xata/Rels/Calix.
I might have some time in evening.
I'm almost positive Calix isn't scum. After the early responses and just solid logic/play, I can't see it. Easily my strongest town read.
Unless the plan was to bus from the start, it's also very unlikely Rels is scum since he could have just ignored Luna's read on me.
Xata I'm not as confident on but I've got a town feeling about him. Admittedly, I haven't finished my reread (stopped at pg 20) but even what I remember from after that point seemed pretty solid.
Jealous is about the same as Xata for me right now.
Scott DYH DanelerH ptmc likely has a scum among them, which I need to look into more.
Early inclination is Scott/Dan especially.
And this is the only opinion presenting activity that is based on some stuff in his entire filter.
On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote: Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/
Interesting idea. What does this achieve? Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^
Also hi there. I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you. I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night.
Emphasis mine. I'd lynch for this
On September 25 2016 08:03 Stutters695 wrote: Seriously, did no one else catch what I quoted before I left besides Luna?
I'll give you a hint, go read SEQs filter (9 posts). The one I quoted shows a clear lack of reading, even incredibly early in the game.
I'm working another 2 hours, but if anyone has any questions fire away. No comment on the blue stuff, scum can try to figure it out on their own.
So accusing SEQ/TT for whatever reason here "lack of reading" cough. This is then completely abandoned and only Luna notices it for some reason. I wonder if it has anything to do with SEQ getting shit ton of townreads.
On September 27 2016 05:44 Skynx wrote: I read Calix filter, pretty sure he's town almost 100% of the time with the actualy game solving mentality throughout.
Scott and Super I'm ok with tr'ing based on the tone. Like the all natural and genuine tone is there for majority of their posts while I'm not getting the same for some people. Man who was it someone told me Scott never ever busses as scum anyone can relate?
how is tone the best thing you have for reading scott? Superbia maybe because he wasn't around, but scott has done several weird things to get such a free pass from you.
On September 25 2016 18:23 Lunaticman wrote: I wonder how not wanting to state a read because it will reveal a blue role is equal towards being mafia. The reason for not saying anything is because that is based o information town dont want mafia to know.
This game is just full of paragraf knights. I told you why I didnt want to say my SINGLE read and I got forced. Saying I wasnt forced is a lie.
And when I do say why Im a coward, so either way Im scum. And that dosent even make sense.
It is also intresting to see that town once again town reads the people with most posts as town.
Remember that mafia always sound smater and better because they know who is mafia and are working with perfect information.
Lastly I yet to see a day one lynch of a mafia player so anything that happens day one usually is just speculation.
My time is precious this weekend the little spare time I have not working is spent defending myself. I dont really have time to do what I want which is identify townies and lookig for mafia in the top posters day one.
A good example is my last normal game in which I found the gf day one and was unsuccessful in lynching him 3 days in a row because the mafia undermined me constantly.
But why did you say that Stutter was a strong town read in the first place without any reasoning? Isn't that the same as claiming that he's potentially a blue in your opinion (from scum perspective)? Granted, it could also be a complicated meta reason or something, but having a blue read is often the reason if someone doesn't want to say his reasons for a read. And then why reveal the blue read so quickly anyway under a bit of pressure? It's just... pretty much a disastrous chain of events, especially if you're town and correct. It's also disastrous if you're scum, so... Just why?
So you don't have hunches? I'm just saying nothing that has been said today has been nothing but speculation and you are accusing me of not giving reasons?
God ok I'll play your game:
Stutters is town because I have a meta read on him.
Satisified?
"No, how can you know that?"
"Because I played with him before"
"Really explain!"
On and on this goes. the TL mafia community really has a hard time dealing with people playing emotionally rather than using logic.
I'm probably not going to respond to anything related to my first town read anymore. It feels like beating a dead horse.
TL;DR: I got frustrated by people asking me reasonable questions in response to my dodgy nature and unsupported read, so I did something anti-town and now I'm going to blame the community for it.
On September 29 2016 02:38 Xatalos wrote: I'll answer to earlier questions for me etc. later, but I had an idea while at work that I just had to start working on as soon as I could... So the following post is about that. It should make things a lot clearer at least for me
The idea being: two levels of scummy interactions, one for Lunatic <--> others and the other for the scummiest of the previous ones <--> each other to figure out 3-man scumteams that make sense. Let's see where this goes. (huge thanks to ptmc's post here by the way, it saved me a lot of time: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/513316-newbie-student-mafia-xxiii?page=35#695 )
1) Lunatic <--> others
DanelerH Pushed Lunatic through most of D1 and possibly caused him to "shut down" in the thread. I highly doubt he would do that to his teammate. Lunatic appeared genuinely pressured as well, making odd (in hindsight) claims like the blue read on Stutters and going overly defensive.
Calix Pretty much started the Stutters-read pressure on Lunatic and participated in forming his lynch wagon. Kind of similar to DanelerH, hard to see scum doing that to each other from the start of the game.
Stutters A more controversial pick for green color, perhaps, but I agree with whoever said that it would be extremely rare for scum to immediately throw a strong townread on their teammate like Lunatic did. It would only link them together in everyone's minds (something scum would definitely not want) and make the other look bad/scum if the other flips. In addition, it wouldn't come naturally as a careless throwaway comment like how Lunatic said it. It just fits so much better as a casual, too strong townread on someone he would know to be town in advance. Also, I have an interesting theory related to Stutters, but that's best left for later.
Rels Jumped on the Lunatic wagon pretty early and questioned his read on Stutters earlier on, but nothing truly conclusive. Town lean?
- - - - - - (the point after which I can see these people being scum with Lunatic to some meaningful extent)
SEQ/Tictock Voted for Lunatic, but otherwise ???
Jealous Hard to say. Had Lunatic as a lynch candidate / scum for most of D1, but nothing exactly conclusive to their relations happened.
scott Can't say I agree with ptmc's assessment about how weirdly he interacted with Lunatic. His posts almost mirror my thoughts at the time of their writing (even regarding Stutters and DanelerH)... but it's true that he was pretty "on the fence" about lynching Lunatic or not during D1 so it's not too hard to see a Lunatic/scott team.
DYH Passive towards Lunatic and the whole D1 lynch in general. His Lunatic vote was pretty "resigned" and late as well. Could well be scum with Lunatic.
Skynx Soft-defended Lunatic, ignored him or counter-pushed away from him on several occasions during D1 (see ptmc's eventlist for easy details, just search for "Skynx" lines in red text, or read his filter). Never pressured Lunatic or contributed to his lynch either (no, the one-liner "Lunatic had the worst intro post I guess" didn't impact his own or anyone else's play during D1). A Lunatic/Skynx scumteam makes the most sense to me.
2) Sensible scumteams?
Now it's the time to check if any of the players who could be scum with Lunatic would fit as scum with each other.
Skynx/DYH? Doesn't seem very likely. Skynx pushed DYH late during D1, and it would be pretty stupid to go through that trouble just to perhaps get a scum lynched instead of another scum. More sensible options would have been to bus Lunatic or to push a townie. I guess it could have been distancing, but that doesn't seem likely in that high-stakes situation.Verdict: NO
Skynx/scott? Skynx soft-defends scott in a couple of his posts, otherwise nothing. scott barely mentions Skynx, but when he does, in a slightly positive light. This team could make sense. Verdict: YES
Skynx/Jealous? Jealous doesn't really mention Skynx until very recently where he said that he "doesn't like Skynx but he's not necessarily scummy". Skynx doesn't really talk about Jealous at all. Verdict: YES
Skynx/SEQ/Tictock? Not much, but Skynx congratulates SEQ for questioning Lunatic... And Tictock calls Skynx town for "pressuring Lunatic"??? In reality, it was the opposite situation, just read Skynx's filter or ptmc's summary. Not really sure if scum would so blatantly prop up another, but something is off. Verdict: YES
DYH/scott? Not completely sure about this one, but I guess they do fit somehow. scott agrees that DYH is scummy, but not much beyond that.... They also have a weird interaction where they start to "chat" with each other, but nothing happens? Verdict: YES
DYH/Jealous? Not likely. DYH has pressured/scumread Jealous on several occasions and similarly Jealous has been scumreading DYH. A double bus in this game state is a bit too unlikely... Verdict: NO
DYH/SEQ/Tictock? DYH defended SEQ somewhat, but Tictock has been quite anti-DYH. Could be bussing, I guess, but hard to say. Verdict: ?
scott/Jealous? scott scumread Jealous D1, but townread him after the Lunatic lynch since Jealous "never wavered on lynching Lunatic". Jealous put scott as a lynch candidate after Lunatic was lynched. Overall, uncertain for now. Verdict: ?
scott/SEQ/Tictock? Kind of like with Jealous, scott first (slightly) scumreads SEQ and townreads him after Lunatic was lynched since he "never wavered on lynching Lunatic". SEQ never mentions scott. Tictock calls scott "prob town but kinda null". I guess this scumteam could work... Verdict: YES
Jealous/SEQ/Tictock? SEQ townreads Jealous early on, later on unsure. Tictock calls Jealous null. Jealous doesn't really voice an opinion on SEQ/Tictock. Verdict: YES
If I missed something, please point it out. This has been a ton of work and there's probably a mistake somewhere at this point.
In any case, it's time for the conclusions based on earlier stuffs. Here are the sensible possible scumteams that are left now:
Frankly, I'm not too confident that DYH is scum based on this. He would almost have to be scum with scott. Meanwhile Skynx could basically be scum with anyone besides DYH. scott isn't very limited either, but I like him better than either Skynx or DYH.
Well, I'd be glad to hear other opinions on these findings.
Here is my opinion: SEQ is town. Jeal is town. I'm town. You're scum.
Never lynch town: Calix, ptmc Likely town: Jealous, Rels, TT(SEQ) Null: Dan, Scott Likely scum: Stutters Almost definitely scum: Xatalos, DYH
Dan and scott I kinda forgot about their existence at this point, they are next on my list to read. I remember light sr'ing Dan on accusations with bad reasonings early on but thats about it, he kinda fell of the radar. Scott I remember seeing a few nice posts but nothing special.
Top towns are self explanatory, they really get the game going on and did most of the work.
Jeal and TT are town to me when i went through their fiter. SEQ for pushing Luna from the get go, Jeal for town reactions throughout the filter. Rels is pretty similar to Jeal, mostly due reactions but he also seems to fall into my logic regarding DYH and Xata so mind meld works here. These 3 however I'd be happy if they posted more lists and reads.
Stutters filter is prolly worst of all people in the game but nothing implying scum otherwise.
That 5 town in my post + me I'm like 95% certain there is no scum infliltrator in there, + me thats 6 so work as a team guys and this will be an easy game.
On September 29 2016 03:17 Xatalos wrote: Skynx's static non-reaction to my biggest contribution so far ("still scum because OMGUS, nothing will ever change that!") makes me quite sure that he has to be scum.
If you're still not convinced, read this with some thought and then look at Skynx's filter:
On September 29 2016 02:38 Xatalos wrote: Skynx Soft-defended Lunatic, ignored him or counter-pushed away from him on several occasions during D1 (see ptmc's eventlist for easy details, just search for "Skynx" lines in red text, or read his filter). Never pressured Lunatic or contributed to his lynch either (no, the one-liner "Lunatic had the worst intro post I guess" didn't impact his own or anyone else's play during D1). A Lunatic/Skynx scumteam makes the most sense to me.
I commented on your push and why it was crap and why it made you scum. Your comment on it pretty much ignored everything I put on the table and just said OMGUS. Therefore you painting me as "static non-reaction" is just hilarious.
On September 29 2016 04:37 Xatalos wrote: Rels, what do you even think of Skynx?
I think he's town. I can follow his entire train of thought for D2 and I believe it is real.
Hm. To me his D2 play looked more like "a case on me? it's not even good? a chance, time to go full OMGUS and never look back!" and that forever after.
A case? You mean the sole argument of me trying to prevent Lunatic gettin lynched?
On September 29 2016 03:17 Xatalos wrote: Skynx's static non-reaction to my biggest contribution so far ("still scum because OMGUS, nothing will ever change that!") makes me quite sure that he has to be scum.
If you're still not convinced, read this with some thought and then look at Skynx's filter:
On September 29 2016 02:38 Xatalos wrote: Skynx Soft-defended Lunatic, ignored him or counter-pushed away from him on several occasions during D1 (see ptmc's eventlist for easy details, just search for "Skynx" lines in red text, or read his filter). Never pressured Lunatic or contributed to his lynch either (no, the one-liner "Lunatic had the worst intro post I guess" didn't impact his own or anyone else's play during D1). A Lunatic/Skynx scumteam makes the most sense to me.
I commented on your push and why it was crap and why it made you scum. Your comment on it pretty much ignored everything I put on the table and just said OMGUS. Therefore you painting me as "static non-reaction" is just hilarious.
I agree I presented your filter's ugly truths badly earlier, but it doesn't make me scum. The core of my suspicion on you came from reading ptmc's list of your actions on D1, which were about all scum-aligned. I should have just listed those, but for some reason I went looking for additional things that weren't very damning. Keep it simple, stupid
ptmc's list was good, but I already addressed those. They weren't OMGUS at all, you seem to be the only one thinking so anyway.
On September 29 2016 03:17 Xatalos wrote: Skynx's static non-reaction to my biggest contribution so far ("still scum because OMGUS, nothing will ever change that!") makes me quite sure that he has to be scum.
If you're still not convinced, read this with some thought and then look at Skynx's filter:
On September 29 2016 02:38 Xatalos wrote: Skynx Soft-defended Lunatic, ignored him or counter-pushed away from him on several occasions during D1 (see ptmc's eventlist for easy details, just search for "Skynx" lines in red text, or read his filter). Never pressured Lunatic or contributed to his lynch either (no, the one-liner "Lunatic had the worst intro post I guess" didn't impact his own or anyone else's play during D1). A Lunatic/Skynx scumteam makes the most sense to me.
I commented on your push and why it was crap and why it made you scum. Your comment on it pretty much ignored everything I put on the table and just said OMGUS. Therefore you painting me as "static non-reaction" is just hilarious.
I agree I presented your filter's ugly truths badly earlier, but it doesn't make me scum. The core of my suspicion on you came from reading ptmc's list of your actions on D1, which were about all scum-aligned. I should have just listed those, but for some reason I went looking for additional things that weren't very damning. Keep it simple, stupid
ptmc's list was good, but I already addressed those. They weren't OMGUS at all, you seem to be the only one thinking so anyway.
It is OMGUS if the only reason to push someone is that they pushed you.
It's the reasons behind your push that I pushed you, which were nada other than me/Lunatic association as it has been mentioned a million times. I guess we just agree to disagree.
On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote: Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.
Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff.
On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote: Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.
Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff.
Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it.
Stutters is so far the most obvious townie.
I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart.
This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything!
This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out.
I know you'd say this
On September 25 2016 04:37 Skynx wrote: What makes you so soure Stutters pr Lunatic?
On September 26 2016 02:21 Xatalos wrote: Well, actually there's also a third scenario, where he's town and simply messed up by making a blue read, including it in his read list for some reason (without specifically saying that he thought he was a blue) and then saying it out loud in the heat of the moment. I guess that's a bit more likely than the scenario #2 after all since he's a newbie... But scenario #1 seems the most credible one, I guess. Hm. Any opinions?
Man I somehow feel like Luna is just misinformed town trying to cover up mistake of being lazy and saying he's blue.
Fking lynch me first just to confirm Xata/DYH then lynch stutters if the game isn't over already. Oh wait thats just not necessary cuz you two are getting lynched anyway.
On September 29 2016 06:40 Jealous wrote: I'm starting to WIFOM over the fact that DYH showed up just before EoD when the train is on him. Like, would a scum normally do this? I don't think I would lol. The reason it's WIFOM is because maybe he is trying to make people doubt his scumminess last second and shenanie? I'm locked in but I'll feel a little bad about it if he flips town ):
Depends on the person. Depends on the situation.
I'm actually gunna go ahead and say DYH is 100% scum here though. Mostly because he stopped doing his read posts as soon as we questioned it and changed gears.
There is town giving thoughts, and there is scum trying to look like they are productive.
This is town for the same reason that I thought Luna was misinformed town earlier broskis.
Anyways, process of elimination & Lunatic interactions have left me with Skynx/scott as the most probable scumteam now. Anything you have to say about that? Would be especially interesting to hear your current Skynx/Jealous/Tictock reads.
And I still don't see the case for stutters besides his subpar activity/play. I guess I might have to elaborate on my other reason a bit later if need be.
Something feels wrong though. Like can it really be something as easy as Skynx/scott?
I think I'll be reading Rels filter for the time being. Be back a bit later.
I think Skynx guy is quite town, same with TT and Jeal.
On September 29 2016 06:48 Jealous wrote: I petition that if DYH is scum, and Stutters doesn't vote, that the game ends here and we get all the trophies.
I will get the trophies and you will be jealous
Your vote is on Skynx hahahahaha
Oh yeah.... Gotta change that I guess
So what was your reason sr'ing DYH again? It should be quite something to deviate you from your course of eliminating your top sr target mr Skynx.
On September 29 2016 06:24 Calix wrote: Actually I have one question. DYH, who are you going to vote for and why? Don't spend ages on answering this, lol.
##Vote: Scott
I've been thinking about Superbia's kill. There are 4 reasons I can think of for it.
1. Medic dodge. 2. Town is off track, didn't want a fresh vet voice changing things 3. Superbia is on right track 4. WIFOM salad
#1 is obviously the case. With their RB gone they aren't going to target Calix (most townread person N1). #2 is iffy. Obviously taking out a fresh voice in Superbia accomplishes this, but he isn't heavily townread and he has stated repeatedly that he was going to be lazy this game. #3 is the most likely case. After losing your RB the first night you can't risk someone with correct suspicions putting you down 0-2. Most common reason to kill someone, also makes the most sense from the mafia perspective this game. #4 is very unlikely. There are too many people who have established themselves decently as town, too many people more productive than Superbia.
On September 29 2016 22:17 Calix wrote: So I decided to look back through the posts leading up to the ML and I think Jealous has the most questionable sequence with regards to his DYH read.
On September 28 2016 08:31 Jealous wrote: It seems like people have mostly vocally agreed on DYH with a few exceptions, but I don't see the votes on him. I'll construct my case on him then, just so that it's out there. I was going to revisit Stutters but I see DYH as priority right now. Working.
On September 24 2016 11:26 DoYouHas wrote: I think I like you as well Stutters. Good on ya.
- I'll try to get into something beyond these gut reads tomorrow, hopefully when a few more people have posted. As is I'm pretty happy with tonight. 3/5 for my town pile and 2 I need to think about and watch. Gnight.
Promises more substance tomorrow, let's see if he delivers.
On September 25 2016 10:11 DoYouHas wrote: I am around Stutters. What are your thoughts on ptmc? I'll trade you for some on SEQ.
He's been gone for almost 24 hours and comes back with this. For reference, Stutters was making a case on SEQ and told people to go look at SEQ filter. DYH is basically saying "okay, I'll do what you suggest to check out your scumread and work with you, but only if you give me your thoughts on ptmc, about whom I haven't said a word yet." I don't know if this is very townie behavior. Why wouldn't he just give his thoughts on SEQ and then ask about ptmc?
Interesting post from Xata on this, prior to DoYouHas' return:
On September 25 2016 06:50 Xatalos wrote: DoYouHas did make quite a bit of posts earlier btw.
6 posts, only 4 of which were during the game, and none of which had substance besides 3 gut reads. Is this really worth commenting on? Is this really "quite a bit?" Hmm.
On September 25 2016 00:23 Lunaticman wrote: The game is 4 pages long day one, take a chill pill. I dare to say I have done more than half the players in the game and in my experience you never hit mafia day one. It is much better to build a town circle.
Also Stutters is in all likelyhood a blue role. And if he dies it is on you and Rels.
Am I crazy for thinking this is an anti town post? Making Stutters out to be blue role with no nuance is downright retarded.
It is absolutely anti-town. Do you think it is bad play or scum?
On September 25 2016 10:53 DoYouHas wrote: So is it bad enough that you would want to lynch him or do you currently have a stronger scum read on someone else currently?
On September 25 2016 11:09 DoYouHas wrote: @Jealous, are you in and out? Why is it taking you this long to respond to me?
As Tictock pointed out, DYH seems to be pressuring me more than Lunatic despite (at least superficially) agreeing with me that Lunatic is playing anti-town. In fact, DYH hadn't said a word about Lunatic at all up until this point. Surely he saw the post? Why ignore Lunatic? Why jump on me?
On September 26 2016 03:43 Superbia wrote: I need a champion.
You have Giacomo! (so long as you are leading against DH, Luna, or Jealous)
So he throws Luna into the mix now that Luna has drawn attention but dilutes it by throwing two other names in there, neither of which he had mentioned until now. The only person he had really said anything of substance about until here is SEQ, besides his gutreads at the start of the game. (Also, he didn't really contribute anything in over 27 hours, despite promising to do so). This is his first time calling any of the three scum, and does it in a way that provides no substance whatsoever.
On September 26 2016 03:50 Superbia wrote: I am so fucking confused as to why no one has called me mafia yet this game and now everyone is reacting like this.
???
Oh well.
Activity levels are low and there are better lynch targets than you, especially if your going to ramp up.
DH's tunnel onto Luna is very contrived with no follow through. Pair that with his questionable early posting and it feels like scum to me. Maybe he brings something to the table before deadline now, but it feels like he tunneled just long enough to get the spotlight on someone else then disappeared.
Luna made an anti-town play and has essentially shut down since coming under the displeasure of the thread, making him a very reasonable lynch and possible scum. I don't think making a meta read is in any way alignment indicative but I appear to be in the minority on that.
Jealous started with fluff, then stirred the pot, and finished by being super non-commital. Townies should be trusting there own judgement over that of people's whose alignments are uncertain. Also potentially scum.
Here he elaborates, imaginably because he is trying to get Superbia to sheep him. Doesn't like DH for scumreading Luna, despite also saying Luna is "possible scum," and then puts me in the same group again. Note, I was against Luna at the time as well. How would that team of 3 ever make sense? Both I and DH go for a bus halfway through D1 when there were only a handful of pages and posts, after telling Lunatic to post like an idiot? That's a stretch, and DYH makes no sense here otherwise.
On September 26 2016 03:50 Superbia wrote: I am so fucking confused as to why no one has called me mafia yet this game and now everyone is reacting like this.
???
Oh well.
Activity levels are low and there are better lynch targets than you, especially if your going to ramp up.
DH's tunnel onto Luna is very contrived with no follow through. Pair that with his questionable early posting and it feels like scum to me. Maybe he brings something to the table before deadline now, but it feels like he tunneled just long enough to get the spotlight on someone else then disappeared.
Luna made an anti-town play and has essentially shut down since coming under the displeasure of the thread, making him a very reasonable lynch and possible scum. I don't think making a meta read is in any way alignment indicative but I appear to be in the minority on that.
Jealous started with fluff, then stirred the pot, and finished by being super non-commital. Townies should be trusting there own judgement over that of people's whose alignments are uncertain. Also potentially scum.
So uh.
Read on DH is pre-flip association or what?
I don't think Luna and Dane are likely to be scum together, but taking there play individually I think either of them could be scum here. Is that what you meant?
I guess this explains the previous post somewhat, but he only makes the distinction when asked by Superbia? You would think that would be something you'd want to put in your post that is supposed to be informative to Superbia, and not only when probed further. In short, he threw out three scum reads he had never mentioned until then, then elaborated on it, but didn't mention he didn't think they were on a team together. That's careless at best; misleading seems more likely.
On September 26 2016 04:18 DoYouHas wrote: ##Vote: Luna
Kind of a shame, in my head he was going to come back strong today and I was going to be able to make a case for Dane over him. But every hour that goes by without him contributing makes it more and more likely he flips scum.
On September 25 2016 10:11 DoYouHas wrote: I am around Stutters. What are your thoughts on ptmc? I'll trade you for some on SEQ.
On September 25 2016 11:02 DoYouHas wrote:
On September 25 2016 10:56 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 25 2016 10:11 DoYouHas wrote: I am around Stutters. What are your thoughts on ptmc? I'll trade you for some on SEQ.
I don't think ptmc is a better lynch before SEQ gets to respond.
Voting me with his focus on Luna is super weird also.
SEQ does not bother me much at all. He reads like he jumped in with both feet and started rooting around. The line you bolded would be weak reasoning if he had actually gone after Xata or spread suspicion on him, but I don't think he did. He moves on pretty quickly and after talking about mafia in a pretty general sense (not unusual for someone new to forum mafia, especially with Jealous getting into it too) he seems to be scumhunting. You have picked a pretty early statement from him that does not, to me, hold the significance you are assigning it.
Calix is right. The sequence seems pretty forced. DYH said "I'll exchange your read on ptmc for my read on SEQ" when his read on SEQ is null. And it also looks like he was waiting of Stutters to go "OK what's your read on SEQ now ?"; but Stutters didn't, and DYH said it anyway. It looks like it was planned to appear to have a conversation.
Or maybe, just maybe, both of your assumptions are wrong here.
1. I wasn't providing a null read on SEQ 2. I was actually trying to have a conversation with someone I townread.
Stutters being the "someone I townread," which he did with "gut" in the first few hours of the game, which he never mentioned again. Also note that he still hasn't provided anything as he had promised at the start.
On September 26 2016 11:56 DoYouHas wrote: GRAH, I CAN'T MAKE IT STICK
For everything I don't like about you and think makes you scum: Your early fluff, non-committal, over-defensiveness, appeals to your noobieness, misrepresenting me, buddying Calix, looking at the proposal of multiple wagons from a mafia perspective instead of a town one (looking at it as a trap to be avoided instead of as an opportunity for better VCA) I can't seem to find the mafia actions in your play around the lynch. If I'm having trouble convincing myself of probably the most important part when I undoubtedly have my confirmation bias glasses on it probably isn't there. I was seeing your tonal shifts from casually attacking Luna to guarded consideration then back to casual attacking as very odd. But the thing I can't figure out if you are scum is why you would leave your vote on Luna and not Stutters before the wagon on Luna got rolling. This post:
On September 25 2016 17:17 Jealous wrote: I have to agree with Calix on the more anti-town part. [B]## Lunaticman just in case I don't make it back.
It doesn't fit or is significantly more clever than I am.
Damn, damn, damn. I hate having no scum reads. I really do need to get to bed though. See you all with the daypost.
This takes him a whole hour and he calls me all sorts of terrible but still can't make a case. This means he is town/null-reading everyone in the game, was pushing a lynch/scumread since his first few posts D1 that he himself can't support and had given no concrete evidence on at all until he was forced to draw some out. That is simply foolish, and scummy in my book.
These are his last two posts, nearly a day ago. And frankly, I don't think they are very good. Although I think Rels post did have some stuff I didn't agree with, and DYH pointed them out, the rest of it was pretty weak. He doesn't make much sense in some parts nor does he substantiate much of his argument about why DH or I were scummy, which he references a few times. His earlier posts on the subject were, as you can see above, were weak as well, so it's not like he could reference some strong analysis from before.
Overall, I think DYH is scum. I don't think neither Xata nor skynx are worth a vote right now, but I will definitely look into them more in detail. There are still some fishy things I don't like about Xata and Skynx doesn't seem to be paying much attention to the game in certain posts of his, which I don't like but can't necessarily say is scummy until I see them side-by-side in analysis.
So yea, I voted DYH.
He acknowledges that DYH is someone that pretty much everyone agrees is scummy, yet he thinks that it's a good use of his time to make a massive case against him and hop on the train because 'he doesn't have that many votes on him'. Keep in mind that DYH is the leading train at this point with the Xatalos/ Skynx thing being supported by almost nobody save for each other and Stutters having a few supporters. That is it. The Stutters train was not even a thing for most of the day.
He references a fair number of arguments used by other players (TT, myself, etc) and the points he added aren't anything massively incriminating in retrospect. My point? It makes me wonder why Jealous felt the need to devote a large amount of his time to a case on someone that he was already scum-reading given that he largely rehashes the arguments of other players and this is all on a player that he's already given opinions on. That's not a case of bad priorities, that's posting for the hell of it.
If you want an example of not-scummy points he raised, look no further than him criticising DYH for going "Lunatic, Jealous, DanelerH are my scum-reads" because "that team makes no sense". This is all fine and dandy...if we were talking about a post made on Day 4. That's not the case though; he's talking about reads made early on Day 1. Most players do not consider associative tells that early on in the game because the goal is to lynch a scum. Until then, you have no concrete information to base associative reads from so criticising DYH for that is nit-picky and doesn't add anything to the argument.
[B]On September 29 2016 06:40 Jealous wrote: I'm starting to WIFOM over the fact that DYH showed up just before EoD when the train is on him. Like, would a scum normally do this? I don't think I would lol. The reason it's WIFOM is because maybe he is trying to make people doubt his scumminess last second and shenanie? I'm locked in but I'll feel a little bad about it if he flips town ):
As you can see, he is showing some doubt over DYH flipping scum. That's all fine, nothing to see there, but his reasoning is absolutely insane.
tl;dr:
- DYH showed up when he got voted - Scum wouldn't bother to turn up because scum!Jealous would not bother
As Rels said earlier, this is a piss-poor reason to start doubting a scum-read when a) scum 100% would want to defend themselves so that they...don't get lynched and b) time-zones/ RL commitments can also influence if someone arrives at EOD.
That's not a strong enough explanation to make anyone doubt themselves about a read, especially after the case that Jealous made where he concluded 'scum'. The mere act of posting at EOD when you are being voted has jack shit to do with your alignment.
Furthermore, he wasn't interested in switching wagons from DYH so I see no logical or emotional motivation for this sudden doubt. Thus I'm concluding that he's full of shit. That post had him stretching so hard for an excuse to distance from the ML that he sprained a muscle.
I don't think this makes Jealous scum. If you're scum why just not vote DYH without giving any reason and live happily ever after
On September 29 2016 06:48 Jealous wrote: I petition that if DYH is scum, and Stutters doesn't vote, that the game ends here and we get all the trophies.
I will get the trophies and you will be jealous
Your vote is on Skynx hahahahaha
Oh yeah.... Gotta change that I guess
So what was your reason sr'ing DYH again? It should be quite something to deviate you from your course of eliminating your top sr target mr Skynx.
It truly did not matter what I voted at that point in time. I just switched to DYH after Jealous mentioned that I wouldn't be getting any glory from the lynch since I wasn't even voting for him. Sadly it was in vain :/
Meh. I think there's just seriously something I'm missing here.
On September 29 2016 22:17 Calix wrote: So I decided to look back through the posts leading up to the ML and I think Jealous has the most questionable sequence with regards to his DYH read.
On September 28 2016 08:31 Jealous wrote: It seems like people have mostly vocally agreed on DYH with a few exceptions, but I don't see the votes on him. I'll construct my case on him then, just so that it's out there. I was going to revisit Stutters but I see DYH as priority right now. Working.
On September 24 2016 11:26 DoYouHas wrote: I think I like you as well Stutters. Good on ya.
- I'll try to get into something beyond these gut reads tomorrow, hopefully when a few more people have posted. As is I'm pretty happy with tonight. 3/5 for my town pile and 2 I need to think about and watch. Gnight.
Promises more substance tomorrow, let's see if he delivers.
On September 25 2016 10:11 DoYouHas wrote: I am around Stutters. What are your thoughts on ptmc? I'll trade you for some on SEQ.
He's been gone for almost 24 hours and comes back with this. For reference, Stutters was making a case on SEQ and told people to go look at SEQ filter. DYH is basically saying "okay, I'll do what you suggest to check out your scumread and work with you, but only if you give me your thoughts on ptmc, about whom I haven't said a word yet." I don't know if this is very townie behavior. Why wouldn't he just give his thoughts on SEQ and then ask about ptmc?
Interesting post from Xata on this, prior to DoYouHas' return:
On September 25 2016 06:50 Xatalos wrote: DoYouHas did make quite a bit of posts earlier btw.
6 posts, only 4 of which were during the game, and none of which had substance besides 3 gut reads. Is this really worth commenting on? Is this really "quite a bit?" Hmm.
On September 25 2016 00:23 Lunaticman wrote: The game is 4 pages long day one, take a chill pill. I dare to say I have done more than half the players in the game and in my experience you never hit mafia day one. It is much better to build a town circle.
Also Stutters is in all likelyhood a blue role. And if he dies it is on you and Rels.
Am I crazy for thinking this is an anti town post? Making Stutters out to be blue role with no nuance is downright retarded.
It is absolutely anti-town. Do you think it is bad play or scum?
On September 25 2016 10:53 DoYouHas wrote: So is it bad enough that you would want to lynch him or do you currently have a stronger scum read on someone else currently?
On September 25 2016 11:09 DoYouHas wrote: @Jealous, are you in and out? Why is it taking you this long to respond to me?
As Tictock pointed out, DYH seems to be pressuring me more than Lunatic despite (at least superficially) agreeing with me that Lunatic is playing anti-town. In fact, DYH hadn't said a word about Lunatic at all up until this point. Surely he saw the post? Why ignore Lunatic? Why jump on me?
On September 26 2016 03:43 Superbia wrote: I need a champion.
You have Giacomo! (so long as you are leading against DH, Luna, or Jealous)
So he throws Luna into the mix now that Luna has drawn attention but dilutes it by throwing two other names in there, neither of which he had mentioned until now. The only person he had really said anything of substance about until here is SEQ, besides his gutreads at the start of the game. (Also, he didn't really contribute anything in over 27 hours, despite promising to do so). This is his first time calling any of the three scum, and does it in a way that provides no substance whatsoever.
On September 26 2016 03:50 Superbia wrote: I am so fucking confused as to why no one has called me mafia yet this game and now everyone is reacting like this.
???
Oh well.
Activity levels are low and there are better lynch targets than you, especially if your going to ramp up.
DH's tunnel onto Luna is very contrived with no follow through. Pair that with his questionable early posting and it feels like scum to me. Maybe he brings something to the table before deadline now, but it feels like he tunneled just long enough to get the spotlight on someone else then disappeared.
Luna made an anti-town play and has essentially shut down since coming under the displeasure of the thread, making him a very reasonable lynch and possible scum. I don't think making a meta read is in any way alignment indicative but I appear to be in the minority on that.
Jealous started with fluff, then stirred the pot, and finished by being super non-commital. Townies should be trusting there own judgement over that of people's whose alignments are uncertain. Also potentially scum.
Here he elaborates, imaginably because he is trying to get Superbia to sheep him. Doesn't like DH for scumreading Luna, despite also saying Luna is "possible scum," and then puts me in the same group again. Note, I was against Luna at the time as well. How would that team of 3 ever make sense? Both I and DH go for a bus halfway through D1 when there were only a handful of pages and posts, after telling Lunatic to post like an idiot? That's a stretch, and DYH makes no sense here otherwise.
On September 26 2016 03:50 Superbia wrote: I am so fucking confused as to why no one has called me mafia yet this game and now everyone is reacting like this.
???
Oh well.
Activity levels are low and there are better lynch targets than you, especially if your going to ramp up.
DH's tunnel onto Luna is very contrived with no follow through. Pair that with his questionable early posting and it feels like scum to me. Maybe he brings something to the table before deadline now, but it feels like he tunneled just long enough to get the spotlight on someone else then disappeared.
Luna made an anti-town play and has essentially shut down since coming under the displeasure of the thread, making him a very reasonable lynch and possible scum. I don't think making a meta read is in any way alignment indicative but I appear to be in the minority on that.
Jealous started with fluff, then stirred the pot, and finished by being super non-commital. Townies should be trusting there own judgement over that of people's whose alignments are uncertain. Also potentially scum.
So uh.
Read on DH is pre-flip association or what?
I don't think Luna and Dane are likely to be scum together, but taking there play individually I think either of them could be scum here. Is that what you meant?
I guess this explains the previous post somewhat, but he only makes the distinction when asked by Superbia? You would think that would be something you'd want to put in your post that is supposed to be informative to Superbia, and not only when probed further. In short, he threw out three scum reads he had never mentioned until then, then elaborated on it, but didn't mention he didn't think they were on a team together. That's careless at best; misleading seems more likely.
On September 26 2016 04:18 DoYouHas wrote: ##Vote: Luna
Kind of a shame, in my head he was going to come back strong today and I was going to be able to make a case for Dane over him. But every hour that goes by without him contributing makes it more and more likely he flips scum.
On September 25 2016 10:11 DoYouHas wrote: I am around Stutters. What are your thoughts on ptmc? I'll trade you for some on SEQ.
On September 25 2016 11:02 DoYouHas wrote:
On September 25 2016 10:56 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 25 2016 10:11 DoYouHas wrote: I am around Stutters. What are your thoughts on ptmc? I'll trade you for some on SEQ.
I don't think ptmc is a better lynch before SEQ gets to respond.
Voting me with his focus on Luna is super weird also.
SEQ does not bother me much at all. He reads like he jumped in with both feet and started rooting around. The line you bolded would be weak reasoning if he had actually gone after Xata or spread suspicion on him, but I don't think he did. He moves on pretty quickly and after talking about mafia in a pretty general sense (not unusual for someone new to forum mafia, especially with Jealous getting into it too) he seems to be scumhunting. You have picked a pretty early statement from him that does not, to me, hold the significance you are assigning it.
Calix is right. The sequence seems pretty forced. DYH said "I'll exchange your read on ptmc for my read on SEQ" when his read on SEQ is null. And it also looks like he was waiting of Stutters to go "OK what's your read on SEQ now ?"; but Stutters didn't, and DYH said it anyway. It looks like it was planned to appear to have a conversation.
Or maybe, just maybe, both of your assumptions are wrong here.
1. I wasn't providing a null read on SEQ 2. I was actually trying to have a conversation with someone I townread.
Stutters being the "someone I townread," which he did with "gut" in the first few hours of the game, which he never mentioned again. Also note that he still hasn't provided anything as he had promised at the start.
On September 26 2016 11:56 DoYouHas wrote: GRAH, I CAN'T MAKE IT STICK
For everything I don't like about you and think makes you scum: Your early fluff, non-committal, over-defensiveness, appeals to your noobieness, misrepresenting me, buddying Calix, looking at the proposal of multiple wagons from a mafia perspective instead of a town one (looking at it as a trap to be avoided instead of as an opportunity for better VCA) I can't seem to find the mafia actions in your play around the lynch. If I'm having trouble convincing myself of probably the most important part when I undoubtedly have my confirmation bias glasses on it probably isn't there. I was seeing your tonal shifts from casually attacking Luna to guarded consideration then back to casual attacking as very odd. But the thing I can't figure out if you are scum is why you would leave your vote on Luna and not Stutters before the wagon on Luna got rolling. This post:
On September 25 2016 17:17 Jealous wrote: I have to agree with Calix on the more anti-town part. ## Lunaticman just in case I don't make it back.
It doesn't fit or is significantly more clever than I am.
Damn, damn, damn. I hate having no scum reads. I really do need to get to bed though. See you all with the daypost.
This takes him a whole hour and he calls me all sorts of terrible but still can't make a case. This means he is town/null-reading everyone in the game, was pushing a lynch/scumread since his first few posts D1 that he himself can't support and had given no concrete evidence on at all until he was forced to draw some out. That is simply foolish, and scummy in my book.
These are his last two posts, nearly a day ago. And frankly, I don't think they are very good. Although I think Rels post did have some stuff I didn't agree with, and DYH pointed them out, the rest of it was pretty weak. He doesn't make much sense in some parts nor does he substantiate much of his argument about why DH or I were scummy, which he references a few times. His earlier posts on the subject were, as you can see above, were weak as well, so it's not like he could reference some strong analysis from before.
Overall, I think DYH is scum. I don't think neither Xata nor skynx are worth a vote right now, but I will definitely look into them more in detail. There are still some fishy things I don't like about Xata and Skynx doesn't seem to be paying much attention to the game in certain posts of his, which I don't like but can't necessarily say is scummy until I see them side-by-side in analysis.
So yea, I voted DYH.
He acknowledges that DYH is someone that pretty much everyone agrees is scummy, yet he thinks that it's a good use of his time to make a massive case against him and hop on the train because 'he doesn't have that many votes on him'. Keep in mind that DYH is the leading train at this point with the Xatalos/ Skynx thing being supported by almost nobody save for each other and Stutters having a few supporters. That is it. The Stutters train was not even a thing for most of the day.
He references a fair number of arguments used by other players (TT, myself, etc) and the points he added aren't anything massively incriminating in retrospect. My point? It makes me wonder why Jealous felt the need to devote a large amount of his time to a case on someone that he was already scum-reading given that he largely rehashes the arguments of other players and this is all on a player that he's already given opinions on. That's not a case of bad priorities, that's posting for the hell of it.
If you want an example of not-scummy points he raised, look no further than him criticising DYH for going "Lunatic, Jealous, DanelerH are my scum-reads" because "that team makes no sense". This is all fine and dandy...if we were talking about a post made on Day 4. That's not the case though; he's talking about reads made early on Day 1. Most players do not consider associative tells that early on in the game because the goal is to lynch a scum. Until then, you have no concrete information to base associative reads from so criticising DYH for that is nit-picky and doesn't add anything to the argument.
This is also one of the worst EOD posts:
On September 29 2016 06:40 Jealous wrote: I'm starting to WIFOM over the fact that DYH showed up just before EoD when the train is on him. Like, would a scum normally do this? I don't think I would lol. The reason it's WIFOM is because maybe he is trying to make people doubt his scumminess last second and shenanie? I'm locked in but I'll feel a little bad about it if he flips town ):
As you can see, he is showing some doubt over DYH flipping scum. That's all fine, nothing to see there, but his reasoning is absolutely insane.
tl;dr:
- DYH showed up when he got voted - Scum wouldn't bother to turn up because scum!Jealous would not bother
As Rels said earlier, this is a piss-poor reason to start doubting a scum-read when a) scum 100% would want to defend themselves so that they...don't get lynched and b) time-zones/ RL commitments can also influence if someone arrives at EOD.
That's not a strong enough explanation to make anyone doubt themselves about a read, especially after the case that Jealous made where he concluded 'scum'. The mere act of posting at EOD when you are being voted has jack shit to do with your alignment.
Furthermore, he wasn't interested in switching wagons from DYH so I see no logical or emotional motivation for this sudden doubt. Thus I'm concluding that he's full of shit. That post had him stretching so hard for an excuse to distance from the ML that he sprained a muscle.
I don't think this makes Jealous scum. If you're scum why just not vote DYH without giving any reason and live happily ever after
On September 29 2016 06:24 Calix wrote: Actually I have one question. DYH, who are you going to vote for and why? Don't spend ages on answering this, lol.
##Vote: Scott
I've been thinking about Superbia's kill. There are 4 reasons I can think of for it.
1. Medic dodge. 2. Town is off track, didn't want a fresh vet voice changing things 3. Superbia is on right track 4. WIFOM salad
#1 is obviously the case. With their RB gone they aren't going to target Calix (most townread person N1). #2 is iffy. Obviously taking out a fresh voice in Superbia accomplishes this, but he isn't heavily townread and he has stated repeatedly that he was going to be lazy this game. #3 is the most likely case. After losing your RB the first night you can't risk someone with correct suspicions putting you down 0-2. Most common reason to kill someone, also makes the most sense from the mafia perspective this game. #4 is very unlikely. There are too many people who have established themselves decently as town, too many people more productive than Superbia.
##Vote DHY
???
There you go guys, 3 manners of voting on an already happening lynch. Suit yourselves.
Anyways, process of elimination & Lunatic interactions have left me with Skynx/scott as the most probable scumteam now. Anything you have to say about that? Would be especially interesting to hear your current Skynx/Jealous/Tictock reads.
And I still don't see the case for stutters besides his subpar activity/play. I guess I might have to elaborate on my other reason a bit later if need be.
Something feels wrong though. Like can it really be something as easy as Skynx/scott?
I think I'll be reading Rels filter for the time being. Be back a bit later.
I think Skynx guy is quite town, same with TT and Jeal.
Scott I'll re-read soon, possibly 2mox.
Gut feels?
Nah reasons are actually there in my filter, along with progressing lists and all you know.
I'm starting to think Jeal/Scott are always tvs. Will try to expand on this later on. Xata didn't got any better but I think we're past the point where I'm ready to call him top scum anymore based on his shitty push on me. Not much can be said about ptmc, boy was offski on weekend as he said. The way he went about saying "well, I'm just gona vote stutters and enjoy my weekend off" just tingling me to give him more town points. Dan has fallen off the face of earth.
This is the point where everyone should re-read Calix I think. Got early town reads D1, never got pressured again. I didn't necessarily liked his Jealous push earlier and yesterday he spent mostly moaning about me n Xata being childish. Most importantly however, he's the top townread of everyone but he never bothers to give "these are my final thoughts in case i get nk'd". He could've been saved last night but he was around eod and never bothered to give reads. He just rather posted random stuff that has nothing to do with anything critical.
On October 02 2016 07:25 Calix wrote: TT, why do you call Stutters' alignment disappointing?
From your filter, you only seemed to start scum-reading him at EOD when he turned up. Before that you were saying "He's done XYZ but I think he has a good chance of being town/ my gut tells me he is town" so you'll need to walk me through that one.
Like this is such a filler post 20 mins to nk flip. If you're a top town read, give out reads. Anyway, ppl please read his filter. I'll do so as well and give thoughts later on.
On October 04 2016 03:45 Xatalos wrote: How is Doc+Vet OP though? I think Doc+Cop is more powerful for example. Cop can claim and live forever etc.
But the problem is if it's just Vet+Cop. Then Cop claiming would be stupid.
Man what a pointless post stop these please.
Vet can claim cuz it will just confirm us one name while not costing anything else while mafia now has to worry about a doctor in that setup, they can't straightup kill vet if he claims. Meanwhile if someone is cop, risking your claim on a 50/50 coinflip is borderline stupid, only vet should claim here.
You know what, Calix/ptmc would make so much sense cuz I based my 100% tr on ptmc D2 on immediate Luna push and Calix warned me not to trust it. Double insta bus D1?
On October 04 2016 04:16 Skynx wrote: You know what, Calix/ptmc would make so much sense cuz I based my 100% tr on ptmc D2 on immediate Luna push and Calix warned me not to trust it. Double insta bus D1?
I mean hey if we are considering one epic buss, sure why not 2?
Though tbh look at the interaction between Dane and Lunatic. I saw that sometime during the night and it doesn't really read like scum talking to scum.
How do you feel, or what are your thought about Xata atm? I'm starting to find myself considering him town.
I'm willing to pass on Xata for now. He might be gone full lynchbait mode if mafia but I'm not considering that for the time being.
On October 04 2016 04:16 Skynx wrote: You know what, Calix/ptmc would make so much sense cuz I based my 100% tr on ptmc D2 on immediate Luna push and Calix warned me not to trust it. Double insta bus D1?
I mean hey if we are considering one epic buss, sure why not 2?
Though tbh look at the interaction between Dane and Lunatic. I saw that sometime during the night and it doesn't really read like scum talking to scum.
How do you feel, or what are your thought about Xata atm? I'm starting to find myself considering him town.
Sorry smoking too much I guess, and I completly misread this post.
I really have a hard time seeing ptmc as scum. Unless he lied about this being his first game or something, I mean you remember your first game here as scum don'tcha skynx? ^.^
Oi sush you, you guys were nearly getting rolled by an all 1st timer scumteam if Moosy didn't hit the miracle copcheck ^^
On October 04 2016 04:16 Skynx wrote: You know what, Calix/ptmc would make so much sense cuz I based my 100% tr on ptmc D2 on immediate Luna push and Calix warned me not to trust it. Double insta bus D1?
Ignore this bit lol I messed up ptmc with SEQ and TT is 100% town.
On October 04 2016 04:52 Tictock wrote: Also lets shift a bit and talk about Jealous.
What do you make of him?
Jealous is a wierd one. You remember him in that game he nailed rest of us straightup after the check. He was kind of a driving force in the game with so much confidence behind reads, constant lists and new updates on thoughts. This game he's lacking all that valuable assets that he was as a town.
Some people have very distinct style of play that you can build up on when they do something that doesn't make sense from your pow. Jealous' entire game is just sooo standard I mean if he's scum I'd never nail it.
On October 04 2016 06:19 Calix wrote: I don't like bussing, lol. I maintain that it's an inferior strategy and definitely not something I often do as scum.
Losing RB D1 is tough :/ Mostly big credit to SEQ here who nailed Luna on the instant. Bussing is debatable here, altho it was a solid choice imo. Sometimes teams run D1 bussing all the way to the victory straightup. You guys both got solid towncred from it and it wasn't linkable to you getting scumread at all.
As the game progresses people are gona wonder why their top townread are not getting nk'd Calix so yeah as disfo mentioned last wills are so important when you are highly tr'd Xata I think you did great to amend for that push on me and got some credit for townly tone, if you bussed Calix today i think I'd never lynch you.
ptmc, SEQ and TT did fantastic in general. Super was quite town. Jealous was a bit slacking I guess Has and Stutters were avoidable but they didn't do enough to defend so oh well. I never got to read Scott and Dan in the end
Jealous greencheck was a bit sad but it kinda just ended up me getting away with bit of laziness tbh
Rels Profile PM Joined August 2008 France8927 Posts 17 minutes ago #742 On September 27 2016 03:11 Skynx wrote: Both Scott and Jeal look alright to me why ppl wanna lynch them?
One of the bussers is prolly one of the highly townread pace controllers aka Xata/Rels/Calix.
I might have some time in evening.
This is an awful post. What happened to your DYH super scumread ? If you wanna counter poeple scumread on scott / Jeal read them and counter them. Xata in not really a pace controller. He even was against me and Dan questionning Lunatic at the beginning of the game. If one of Calix / I were scum this lynch would never had happened.
EPT
