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ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
September 26 2016 14:56 GMT
#701
On September 26 2016 23:53 Stutters695 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2016 23:47 ptmc wrote:
On September 26 2016 23:47 Stutters695 wrote:
Just woke up. You guys aren't lynching me d2 lol.

why not?


1) I'm town

2) if I was scum and Luna said that, I would have slapped some rockets on and bussed him straight to the moon.

3) I don't get mislynched unless I'm straight afk essentially.


1) who's not?

2) Maybe you did?

3) So if we lynch you it is not a mislynch?
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
September 26 2016 14:57 GMT
#703
On September 26 2016 23:53 Superbia wrote:
I did the math and we should kill scott and giacomo (dyh).

Alternatively there could also be a mafia between Xat or Rels.


Any preference between Xat or Rels? If i had to pick between the two i would go for Xat.
Still not sold on Stutters? Do you see anyting towny in his filter?
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
September 26 2016 14:59 GMT
#705
On September 26 2016 23:57 Superbia wrote:
Oh wait. Skynx is also possibly not town. I had a reason as to why I call him not mafia but I forgot.

Anyway plenty of time and lynches to go so yeah.

Kill scott. Have DYH and Skynx fight it out gladiator style.

Keep an eye on Xat and the frenchman.


So basically my reads minus stutters. Care to elaborate why not him?
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
September 26 2016 15:07 GMT
#710
On September 27 2016 00:01 Stutters695 wrote:
Here's what's going to happen. I'm going to type some stuff up. Usually I would wait until EoD, but I work before then so I'll just throw it out. You guys will be like "wow, he does things and they make some sense, this dude is probably town." Just know you're cutting into my Overwatch time and that makes me sad.

I have 100% confidence I won't be lynched.


So you're not really worried about a night kill taking all your valuable insight to the grave?
All the people i know seem sadder while playing overwatch, but maybe you are an exception
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
September 26 2016 15:27 GMT
#717
On September 27 2016 00:20 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2016 23:47 ptmc wrote:
I went through the Lunatic trainwreck again and tried to objectively sum up what happend chronologically, open for "unbiased" read:

+ Show Spoiler +
Skynx calls Lunatics intro bad
Lunatic calls Stutters "so far the most obvious townie"
Already in the next post (1 hour later) Calix calls out Lunatic for his town-read
Skynx does not pick up on the read however, even though he quotes the post
Lunatic repeats his claim against Calix' push, but without any actual content
ptmc scum leans Lunatic for his town read
Rels wants Lunatic to explain his town read, but also likes Stutters for "weak reasons"
Lunatic doesn't want to explain his reasoning day 1
Rels is fine with leaving it at that, gives Lunatic a scum lean for it though
This triggers a short discussion between the two, not really yielding anything new
DanelerH pushes Stutters, gets called out by Xatalos
Xatalos town reads Stutters because he "gathers too much attention"
Rels agrees on Xatalos' push on DanelerH
Xatalos disregards Lunaticmans town read, Post 270: "Meh, I guess there isn't really much to talk about in their filters" (Their being Lunatic and Jealous)
DanelerH pushes Lunatic to give his reasons for the town read, does not accept "I'll tell you later"
Lunatic now calls Stutters a blue role, and says that "if he dies it is on you [DanelerH] and Rels"
Jealous thinks both Stutters and Lunatic are "dodgy"
DanelerH keeps on pushing Lunatic
Xatalos wants to "focus on more helpful topics" instead of elaborating Lunaticmans town read.
Xatalos then calls out DanelerH for his push on Lunatic
Rels asks Lunatic why he thinks Stutters is a blue role, since blue roles and scum can be hard to differentiate
Xatalos again wants to stop the discussion since blue roles are involved
DanelerH doubts the blue role claim, thinks Lunaticman is faking it to not have to give a reason for the town read
Rels agrees
Xatalos reacts with
On September 25 2016 01:47 Xatalos wrote:
I guess that's a possibility. Well, let's see.

Lunatic tries to explain his town read/blue role read with meta, and stutters high activity. "Of course he has a power role". He is surprised that it escalated.
Xatalos again says he is unsure that we should discuss the topic further, but would be fine with an elaboration on the meta-read part
Skynx accuses DanelerH of tunneling on Lunatic
Scott scumreads DanelerH, while completely ignoring Lunatic
Skynx now asks about Lunatics town read
ptmc continues his push on Lunatic, and agrees on DanelerH's assumption on the blue role claim
Xatalos explains his reasoning on his scumlean on DanelerH, says that he throws more weak suspicion on a very easy target without committing, and that he dislikes discussing blue roles D1
Skynx calls DanelerH's reasoning for his Lunatic push "absurd"
Xatalos says that there hasn't been much meat to DanelerH's suspicions, but says that him committing to the Lunatic push might become interesting
ptmc calls out Skynx's attack on DanelerH
Xatalos says that there are people that have the gift of immediately noticing if someone has a BPR, and that we should stop elaborating on it in the thread
After a short discussion, where I give my reasons why I think a push on Lunatic is a good thing,
Xatalos says that he maybe was too tunneled on DanelerH, agrees that Lunatics tr was odd and that he would like to see a reason for it
Lunatic calls me out because ptmc "missed" how Rels and DanelerH pushed him to say Stutters is a blue
Stutters shows up, tries to focus on SEQ. "No comment on the blue stuff, scum can try to figure it out on their own"
DYH shows up, no comment on Lunatic at all, wants thoughts on me for thoughts on SEQ
Jealous shows up, calls out Lunatic for "retarded" anti town post
DYH reacts to Jealous' push on Lunatic, asking if he thinks it is bad play or scum
Jealous thinks it is almost too blatant to be scum
DYH wants to know if Jealous would lynch for it
Discussion between DYH and Stutters about other people
Jealous does not feel like his scum read is strong enough to warrant a vote, wants to hear other peoples opinion first
SEQ shows up, wants lunatic to elaborate on his town read and thinks that DanelerH tunnels too hard on him.
Still ends up with a scum lean on only Lunatic.

SEQ is now the first vote on Lunatic

Jealous says his vote is between Lunatic and Stutters
Scott returns, quotes Lunatics posts that were written well before scott went away. Now he says that he could lynch for them. Reassesses Stutters as well, arrives at "Wouldn't lynch today"
Scott is worried that noone town reads or defends Lunatic
Stutters again asks about SEQ
Calix reappears, calls out Lunatic for his aggressive reactions, but thinks he is more anti-town than pro-scum
Calix also calls out DanelerH for his weak case
Calix is sceptical of a correct lynch between DanelerH and Lunatic
Jealous agrees on the "more anti town part" but sticks his vote on lunatic anyway

This vote was only posted in the discussion thread, not in the voting thread btw.

Calix reevaluates her Lunatic case, finds it a better lynch, votes on him
Lunatic shows up with another weak defense (there never is a mafia lynch day 1)
Scott has SEQ at just under null, asks Lunatic who he wants to lynch
Xatalos has Lunatic as a lynch candidate
Lunatic fluffs some more
Xatalos and Jealous call him out for it, Xatalos votes Lunatic
Rels returns, still pushes Lunatic for his tr
Skynx feels like Lunatic is just misinformed town
Xatalos questions this logic
Rels votes Lunatic
Skynx claims little time to play, feels like DYH is the best lynch and votes him
Superbia thinks his presence might not be needed after realizing lunatic is being lynched
DYH says DanelerH's tunnle onto Luna is contrived, Luna has made an anti town play and shut down, it feels like DYH doesn't like the lynch
DYH thinks that Luna and Dane are not scum together, but either of them could be scum
Rels doesn't agree with Skynx' assessment of DYH
Superbia wants to kill scott, but thinks Lunatic is a fine lynch as well
DYH votes Lunatic
On September 26 2016 04:18 DoYouHas wrote:
##Vote: Luna

Kind of a shame, in my head he was going to come back strong today and I was going to be able to make a case for Dane over him. But every hour that goes by without him contributing makes it more and more likely he flips scum.

Next post, scott votes Lunatic
On September 26 2016 04:18 scott31337 wrote:
Allright, so I even asked Luna who he wanted to lynch and didn't even say. He had two wordy posts that didn't have any content. There's a couple other people trying to push other lynches now too - so I feel more confident voting for him.

Rels and Stutters ask superbia why he dislikes scott
DanelerH now votes Lunatic with a reads list post
Calix doesn't like the new additions to the train on Lunatic
Rels dislikes DanelerH's reads list (most boring ever)
Xatalos also asks why superbia dislikes scott
Superbia doesn't like his two scumreads with no followup and his forced vote on luna
A lot of discussion happens, that is not relevant to this train (imo)
ptmc returns and moves his vote from stutters to lunatic
Stutters votes Lunatic so he doesn't forget while at work



And my comments for it, marked in red stuff i think is scummy, in green things i think is towny (obviously in the light of the successful lynch) with some comments centered where i needed to say some more

+ Show Spoiler +
Skynx calls Lunatics intro bad
Lunatic calls Stutters "so far the most obvious townie"
Already in the next post (1 hour later) Calix calls out Lunatic for his town-read
Skynx does not pick up on the read however, even though he quotes the post

this is maybe not red, but at least weird


Lunatic repeats his claim against Calix' push, but without any actual content
ptmc scum leans Lunatic for his town read
Rels wants Lunatic to explain his town read, but also likes Stutters for "weak reasons"
Lunatic doesn't want to explain his reasoning day 1
Rels is fine with leaving it at that, gives Lunatic a scum lean for it though
This triggers a short discussion between the two, not really yielding anything new
DanelerH pushes Stutters, gets called out by Xatalos
Xatalos town reads Stutters because he "gathers too much attention"
Rels agrees on Xatalos' push on DanelerH
Xatalos disregards Lunaticmans town read, Post 270: "Meh, I guess there isn't really much to talk about in their filters" (Their being Lunatic and Jealous)

again, at least weird, since it had obviously already sparked discussion


DanelerH pushes Lunatic to give his reasons for the town read, does not accept "I'll tell you later"
Lunatic now calls Stutters a blue role, and says that "if he dies it is on you [DanelerH] and Rels"
Jealous thinks both Stutters and Lunatic are "dodgy"
DanelerH keeps on pushing Lunatic
Xatalos wants to "focus on more helpful topics" instead of elaborating Lunaticmans town read.
Xatalos then calls out DanelerH for his push on Lunatic


I guess this is Lunatics blue role claim on stutters working out as intended?


Rels asks Lunatic why he thinks Stutters is a blue role, since blue roles and scum can be hard to differentiate
Xatalos again wants to stop the discussion since blue roles are involved
DanelerH doubts the blue role claim, thinks Lunaticman is faking it to not have to give a reason for the town read
Rels agrees

Xatalos reacts with
On September 25 2016 01:47 Xatalos wrote:
I guess that's a possibility. Well, let's see.

Lunatic tries to explain his town read/blue role read with meta, and stutters high activity. "Of course he has a power role". He is surprised that it escalated.
Xatalos again says he is unsure that we should discuss the topic further, but would be fine with an elaboration on the meta-read part
Skynx accuses DanelerH of tunneling on Lunatic
Scott scumreads DanelerH, while completely ignoring Lunatic

Skynx now asks about Lunatics town read
ptmc continues his push on Lunatic, and agrees on DanelerH's assumption on the blue role claim
Xatalos explains his reasoning on his scumlean on DanelerH, says that he throws more weak suspicion on a very easy target without committing, and that he dislikes discussing blue roles D1
Skynx calls DanelerH's reasoning for his Lunatic push "absurd"
Xatalos says that there hasn't been much meat to DanelerH's suspicions, but says that him committing to the Lunatic push might become interesting
ptmc calls out Skynx's attack on DanelerH
Xatalos says that there are people that have the gift of immediately noticing if someone has a BPR, and that we should stop elaborating on it in the thread
After a short discussion, where ptmc gives his reasons why he thinks a push on Lunatic is a good thing,
Xatalos says that he maybe was too tunneled on DanelerH, agrees that Lunatics tr was odd and that he would like to see a reason for it
Lunatic calls ptmc out because he "missed" how Rels and DanelerH pushed him to say Stutters is a blue
Stutters shows up, tries to focus on SEQ. "No comment on the blue stuff, scum can try to figure it out on their own"
DYH shows up, no comment on Lunatic at all, wants thoughts on me for thoughts on SEQ

Jealous shows up, calls out Lunatic for "retarded" anti town post
DYH reacts to Jealous' push on Lunatic, asking if he thinks it is bad play or scum
Jealous thinks it is almost too blatant to be scum
DYH wants to know if Jealous would lynch for it

Mafia feeling out the waters if it is bussing time?


Discussion between DYH and Stutters about other people
Jealous does not feel like his scum read is strong enough to warrant a vote, wants to hear other peoples opinion first
SEQ shows up, wants lunatic to elaborate on his town read and thinks that DanelerH tunnels too hard on him.
Still ends up with a scum lean on only Lunatic.

SEQ is now the first vote on Lunatic

Jealous says his vote is between Lunatic and Stutters
Scott returns, quotes Lunatics posts that were written well before scott went away. Now he says that he could lynch for them. Reassesses Stutters as well, arrives at "Wouldn't lynch today"

This looks so much like bussing, especially with him ignoring those posts previously


Scott is worried that noone town reads or defends Lunatic
Stutters again asks about SEQ

still no word on lunatic except the earlier "no comment"


Calix reappears, calls out Lunatic for his aggressive reactions, but thinks he is more anti-town than pro-scum
Calix also calls out DanelerH for his weak case
Calix is sceptical of a correct lynch between DanelerH and Lunatic
Jealous agrees on the "more anti town part" but sticks his vote on lunatic anyway

This vote was only posted in the discussion thread, not in the voting thread btw.

Calix reevaluates her Lunatic case, finds it a better lynch, votes on him
Lunatic shows up with another weak defense (there never is a mafia lynch day 1)
Scott has SEQ at just under null, asks Lunatic who he wants to lynch

Xatalos has Lunatic as a lynch candidate

Lunatic fluffs some more
Xatalos and Jealous call him out for it, Xatalos votes Lunatic
Rels returns, still pushes Lunatic for his tr
Skynx feels like Lunatic is just misinformed town
Xatalos questions this logic
Rels votes Lunatic
Skynx claims little time to play, feels like DYH is the best lynch and votes him
Superbia thinks his presence might not be needed after realizing lunatic is being lynched
DYH says DanelerH's tunnle onto Luna is contrived, Luna has made an anti town play and shut down, it feels like DYH doesn't like the lynch
DYH thinks that Luna and Dane are not scum together, but either of them could be scum
Rels doesn't agree with Skynx' assessment of DYH
Superbia wants to kill scott, but thinks Lunatic is a fine lynch as well
DYH votes Lunatic

i will not give green "points" from here on for voting lunatic, since the train has reached critical mass already


On September 26 2016 04:18 DoYouHas wrote:
##Vote: Luna

Kind of a shame, in my head he was going to come back strong today and I was going to be able to make a case for Dane over him. But every hour that goes by without him contributing makes it more and more likely he flips scum.

Next post, scott votes Lunatic
On September 26 2016 04:18 scott31337 wrote:
Allright, so I even asked Luna who he wanted to lynch and didn't even say. He had two wordy posts that didn't have any content. There's a couple other people trying to push other lynches now too - so I feel more confident voting for him.



Rels and Stutters ask superbia why he dislikes scott
DanelerH now votes Lunatic with a reads list post
Calix doesn't like the new additions to the train on Lunatic
Rels dislikes DanelerH's reads list (most boring ever)
Xatalos also asks why superbia dislikes scott
Superbia doesn't like scotts two scumreads with no followup and his forced vote on luna
A lot of discussion happens, that is not relevant to this train (imo)
ptmc returns and moves his vote from stutters to lunatic
Stutters votes Lunatic so he doesn't forget while at work


Take home message says scott had access to very bad posts by Lunatic way before he goes afk, but choses to ignore them. Only when the train has become unstoppable for mafia he "revisits" them and now they are strong enough to lynch for.

Other reads from the Lunaticman-Lynch:
solid town:
DanelerH
Calix

town lean:
Jealous
Rels
SEQ
superbia (for actually noticing scott)

inconsistent:
Xatalos
Skynx

scum leans (lynch all day err'day)
Scott, stutters, dyh

This is quite impressive p: in particular this made me reread Jealous post where he called Lunatic's post retarded. It's very true that it's a strong word to use on your teammate so it is a town indicator for Jealous.
Stutters is still 99% town because of how Lunatic treated him. And Superbia did like nothing this game yet, if scott is scum I agree that he's a unlikely partner but until that happens he's not town. Other than that, this list is pretty good


Even if scott is not scum, i still think superbia deserves some credit for giving a well based scumread. I'm not sold on the Stutters Lunatic interaction. Do you have anything else that makes him town? He has a weird, unbased SEQ-read crush, and his (non-)interaction with Lunaticman was just odd D1.
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
September 26 2016 15:30 GMT
#719
On September 27 2016 00:27 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2016 00:23 Jealous wrote:
On September 26 2016 17:06 Rels wrote:
On September 26 2016 13:30 Jealous wrote:
@Scott: Interesting. I agree with quite a few of those reads. Acott, maybe you could explain what you were thinking in your vote post better? It looked pretty damn scummy in retrospect, don't you agree?

Now I'm wondering how to make sense of the DHY read. Here are the options:

A. They are both scum and Scott is bussing. Sadly, I don't see this as being very likely because it hasn't been that long since Calix's post so he wouldn't know if it overwhelmingly convinced town to the point where he would have to bus. OR MAYBE THAT'S WHAT HE WANTS US TO THINK! WIFOM. I also find this unlikely because the numbers would be horrendous for Scott going onwards, and there is no way he would be allowed to live to the final day. The only thing Scott would have going for him is if he is the GF and therefore if there is an investigator, they will become useless for the remainder of the game and Scott might get town cred for bussing that can't be factually revoked.

B. Scott is scum, DHY is town. I think this one is self-explanatory. Scott jumps on the train early on and is doing so out of self-defense. Chances are he would still be lynched next day with a green flip on DHY, but maybe he is hoping he could weasel his way out? This would effectively leave Scott in no better a position than in A., and I find it hard to believe he has balls of this size. Perhaps he is banking on his ally pulling through; that they are someone who is highly trusted right now.

C. Scott is town, DHY is scum. Again, pretty self-explanatory. Scott genuinely feels DHY is scum/is doing it to stay alive. Can't glean much from this perspective , seems logically possible.

D. They are both town. Similar mindset to C, except the outcome is worse for town. Seems less likely than C but I might be tunneling and thus want to believe at least one of them must be scum.

I definitely like Scott's post-accusation post better than DHY's, but DHY spent his remaining free time trying to create a case on me so didn't have time to do anything else I'm guessing. I'd like to hear what DHY comes back with in terms of reads so I can get a more solid opinion. I'd also like to see more detailed filter analysis from Scott on at least his scum reads and perhaps his soft town reads.

Sigh, it's hard for me to pick which option is the most likely. If I knew more about Scott as a player (whether he has the gumption to continue playing in options A or B). What does everyone else think?

I really, really don't understand your way of thinking. If scott is scum he's gonna push a mislynch. Why are you dismissing B) just because "scum!scott would have some balls to push a mislynch on DYH" ? If scott is scum and DYH town, he is merely pushing the easiest mislynch available, not making a big play!

That's more or less what I said. The reason it might have come off as me describing a big play is because I feel that if he succeeds in getting the lynch on a town DYH, Scott is next on the chopping block, after which we'd presumably have only 1 scum left. The reason I didn't find it likely is because it seems like an unwinnable scenario and I wasn't sure if Scott would go for it.

This doesn't make sense if you think about it. If scott is scum and DYH is town, scott easiest path to survival right now is aiming for a DYH ML. It doesn't matter that it leaves him in a worse position D3 - it's better than dying D2.


I guess Jealous would rather play more passive as mafia, rather than spearheading the ML. But i see nothing AI either way, more indicative of your playstyles.
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
September 26 2016 15:35 GMT
#722
I don't even think he really dismisses it, just for him (an his playstyle) it feels suboptimal.
Anyway, i have to go now. Probably won't be back before the nightkill, so see you tomorrow!
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
September 26 2016 20:36 GMT
#759
Apparently everyone likes stutters. Well, we have two pretty clear lynches ahead of us, so no biggie. Let's see what he comes up with in the meantime.
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
September 26 2016 20:37 GMT
#760
On September 27 2016 03:37 Stutters695 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2016 03:11 Skynx wrote:
Both Scott and Jeal look alright to me why ppl wanna lynch them?

One of the bussers is prolly one of the highly townread pace controllers aka Xata/Rels/Calix.

I might have some time in evening.


I'm almost positive Calix isn't scum. After the early responses and just solid logic/play, I can't see it. Easily my strongest town read.

Unless the plan was to bus from the start, it's also very unlikely Rels is scum since he could have just ignored Luna's read on me.

Xata I'm not as confident on but I've got a town feeling about him. Admittedly, I haven't finished my reread (stopped at pg 20) but even what I remember from after that point seemed pretty solid.

Jealous is about the same as Xata for me right now.

Scott DYH DanelerH ptmc likely has a scum among them, which I need to look into more.

Early inclination is Scott/Dan especially.


Where do you see the problem with Dan?
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
September 26 2016 20:53 GMT
#766
On September 27 2016 05:44 Skynx wrote:
I read Calix filter, pretty sure he's town almost 100% of the time with the actualy game solving mentality throughout.

Scott and Super I'm ok with tr'ing based on the tone. Like the all natural and genuine tone is there for majority of their posts while I'm not getting the same for some people. Man who was it someone told me Scott never ever busses as scum anyone can relate?





how is tone the best thing you have for reading scott? Superbia maybe because he wasn't around, but scott has done several weird things to get such a free pass from you.
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
September 27 2016 07:45 GMT
#795
if you're in a hurry, post 695 should give you almost anything you need for now
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
September 27 2016 08:02 GMT
#796
On September 27 2016 09:22 DoYouHas wrote:
Response to Rels:

#1. I actually had 3 people I thought were likely scum D1. I also gave 4 town reads. I can't really respond to you saying everyone one of my reads is scummy since I don't know what that means.

I currently have no scum reads. I think I was wrong on Jealous and I'm not going to just jump to another person until I reassess the game. This just is what it is. I don't think it is scummy to realize a flaw in your own case, in fact I think it shows that I wasn't just trying to attack Jealous, I genuinely thought he was scum.


But apparently for no other reason than him attacking Lunatic, which after the flip is kind of hard to sell?


For claiming to know my meta you have a strange way of repeating history. In the exact game you reference you come after me for having low volume, for not liking the way I voted, and for not having scum reads, all around D1 and N1. Sound familiar? The case that caught HtS came AFTER a reassessment of the game and AFTER being attacked by yourself and others for not having scumreads. You paint me as a mover and shaker that gets shit done but forget that I really wasn't until I gained a mound of town cred for my role in getting HtS lynched. It is eerie how similar this early game dynamic between us is.

#2. "DYH baited a conversation" sounds so devious. As if I was luring Stutters into some big mistake. Which was what exactly? Talking to me? Talking about ptmc? I phrased it the way I did because why the hell not. I don't have a plan or a scheme or a reason outside of wanting to hear what he thought of ptmc and doing so before disagreeing with him about SEQ. Which is exactly what happened. I don't know where you are getting, "Stutters didn't take the bait". He gave me 2 solid thoughts on ptmc. Just because they were brief and my thoughts on SEQ weren't doesn't change that.

i don't care about either side on these points


#3. Me in respect to the Luna lynch is the only decent point you make here. I didn't think providing a town read on Stutters without a reason made him scum. After all, I had done the exact same thing and everyone focusing on Luna completely ignored it. I was actually thinking he was town, even after the power role crap even though it was anti-town. It was far from a confident read, but that was the way I was leaning. It wasn't until he had shut down for a goodly length of time that I started accepting him as a good lynch target. With him actually flipping scum my hesitancy in pursuing him and voting him doesn't look good, fair enough.


so, you agree that a case against you makes sense


However, here is where your argument is just bad. I did not like the play of Dane and Jealous, I thought their play was scummy. Their suspicions happened to be on Luna.

I don't agree that they "happened to be" on Luna. They called him out for playing weird, and his play just got weirder from it. And why would you focus on only Dane and Jealous, when literally the whole thread except for you, scott and stutters (and superbia) was pressuring Lunatic?


I thought Luna's play was anti-town and it was his lack of activity that pushed him into scummy territory. I wasn't putting forth my guess for the complete scum team, I was putting forth the people who looked scummy enough to me that I would want to lynch them, without drawing on pre-flip association.
-

Every way you characterize me as scum is undercut by something else you don't like.

I don't want to analyse Luna but I engage Jealous on the topic. I 'defend' Luna by putting Dane and Jealous in my lynch list, but do nothing to move the lynch. I 'bus' Luna but in no way set myself up to look good on the flip.

I feel like the bus was too quick for mafia to react with a decent bus anyway.

I suppose I could be scum even with all of that from your perspective,

Yes
but I would be the most half-measure, lackluster scum ever, failing to take advantage of anything. I would really hope you would realize I'm better than that.

so far i see very little good from you. Easily leaning towards the half-measure scum.

Lastly, this isn't my scum meta. As scum I lurk, I position myself to look good the vast majority of the time, and I'm addicted to being right.

I don't care about this.

Show us you're towny instead of defending your play from D1!
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
September 27 2016 08:12 GMT
#797
On September 27 2016 00:18 Stutters695 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2016 00:07 ptmc wrote:
On September 27 2016 00:01 Stutters695 wrote:
Here's what's going to happen. I'm going to type some stuff up. Usually I would wait until EoD, but I work before then so I'll just throw it out. You guys will be like "wow, he does things and they make some sense, this dude is probably town." Just know you're cutting into my Overwatch time and that makes me sad.

I have 100% confidence I won't be lynched.


So you're not really worried about a night kill taking all your valuable insight to the grave?
All the people i know seem sadder while playing overwatch, but maybe you are an exception


That's a negative Ghost Rider. I meant EoN, not EoD.


After this potential scum slip, which i will ignore, this is his "wow, he does things and they make some sense, this dude is probably town." post:

On September 27 2016 03:37 Stutters695 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2016 03:11 Skynx wrote:
Both Scott and Jeal look alright to me why ppl wanna lynch them?

One of the bussers is prolly one of the highly townread pace controllers aka Xata/Rels/Calix.

I might have some time in evening.


I'm almost positive Calix isn't scum. After the early responses and just solid logic/play, I can't see it. Easily my strongest town read.

Unless the plan was to bus from the start, it's also very unlikely Rels is scum since he could have just ignored Luna's read on me.

Xata I'm not as confident on but I've got a town feeling about him. Admittedly, I haven't finished my reread (stopped at pg 20) but even what I remember from after that point seemed pretty solid.

Jealous is about the same as Xata for me right now.

Scott DYH DanelerH ptmc likely has a scum among them, which I need to look into more.

Early inclination is Scott/Dan especially.


No. Just no. Everything apart from Calix and Rels doesn't even have reasoning!
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
September 27 2016 08:15 GMT
#798
On September 27 2016 01:33 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2016 23:47 ptmc wrote:
I went through the Lunatic trainwreck again and tried to objectively sum up what happend chronologically, open for "unbiased" read:

+ Show Spoiler +
Skynx calls Lunatics intro bad
Lunatic calls Stutters "so far the most obvious townie"
Already in the next post (1 hour later) Calix calls out Lunatic for his town-read
Skynx does not pick up on the read however, even though he quotes the post
Lunatic repeats his claim against Calix' push, but without any actual content
ptmc scum leans Lunatic for his town read
Rels wants Lunatic to explain his town read, but also likes Stutters for "weak reasons"
Lunatic doesn't want to explain his reasoning day 1
Rels is fine with leaving it at that, gives Lunatic a scum lean for it though
This triggers a short discussion between the two, not really yielding anything new
DanelerH pushes Stutters, gets called out by Xatalos
Xatalos town reads Stutters because he "gathers too much attention"
Rels agrees on Xatalos' push on DanelerH
Xatalos disregards Lunaticmans town read, Post 270: "Meh, I guess there isn't really much to talk about in their filters" (Their being Lunatic and Jealous)
DanelerH pushes Lunatic to give his reasons for the town read, does not accept "I'll tell you later"
Lunatic now calls Stutters a blue role, and says that "if he dies it is on you [DanelerH] and Rels"
Jealous thinks both Stutters and Lunatic are "dodgy"
DanelerH keeps on pushing Lunatic
Xatalos wants to "focus on more helpful topics" instead of elaborating Lunaticmans town read.
Xatalos then calls out DanelerH for his push on Lunatic
Rels asks Lunatic why he thinks Stutters is a blue role, since blue roles and scum can be hard to differentiate
Xatalos again wants to stop the discussion since blue roles are involved
DanelerH doubts the blue role claim, thinks Lunaticman is faking it to not have to give a reason for the town read
Rels agrees
Xatalos reacts with
On September 25 2016 01:47 Xatalos wrote:
I guess that's a possibility. Well, let's see.

Lunatic tries to explain his town read/blue role read with meta, and stutters high activity. "Of course he has a power role". He is surprised that it escalated.
Xatalos again says he is unsure that we should discuss the topic further, but would be fine with an elaboration on the meta-read part
Skynx accuses DanelerH of tunneling on Lunatic
Scott scumreads DanelerH, while completely ignoring Lunatic
Skynx now asks about Lunatics town read
ptmc continues his push on Lunatic, and agrees on DanelerH's assumption on the blue role claim
Xatalos explains his reasoning on his scumlean on DanelerH, says that he throws more weak suspicion on a very easy target without committing, and that he dislikes discussing blue roles D1
Skynx calls DanelerH's reasoning for his Lunatic push "absurd"
Xatalos says that there hasn't been much meat to DanelerH's suspicions, but says that him committing to the Lunatic push might become interesting
ptmc calls out Skynx's attack on DanelerH
Xatalos says that there are people that have the gift of immediately noticing if someone has a BPR, and that we should stop elaborating on it in the thread
After a short discussion, where I give my reasons why I think a push on Lunatic is a good thing,
Xatalos says that he maybe was too tunneled on DanelerH, agrees that Lunatics tr was odd and that he would like to see a reason for it
Lunatic calls me out because ptmc "missed" how Rels and DanelerH pushed him to say Stutters is a blue
Stutters shows up, tries to focus on SEQ. "No comment on the blue stuff, scum can try to figure it out on their own"
DYH shows up, no comment on Lunatic at all, wants thoughts on me for thoughts on SEQ
Jealous shows up, calls out Lunatic for "retarded" anti town post
DYH reacts to Jealous' push on Lunatic, asking if he thinks it is bad play or scum
Jealous thinks it is almost too blatant to be scum
DYH wants to know if Jealous would lynch for it
Discussion between DYH and Stutters about other people
Jealous does not feel like his scum read is strong enough to warrant a vote, wants to hear other peoples opinion first
SEQ shows up, wants lunatic to elaborate on his town read and thinks that DanelerH tunnels too hard on him.
Still ends up with a scum lean on only Lunatic.

SEQ is now the first vote on Lunatic

Jealous says his vote is between Lunatic and Stutters
Scott returns, quotes Lunatics posts that were written well before scott went away. Now he says that he could lynch for them. Reassesses Stutters as well, arrives at "Wouldn't lynch today"
Scott is worried that noone town reads or defends Lunatic
Stutters again asks about SEQ
Calix reappears, calls out Lunatic for his aggressive reactions, but thinks he is more anti-town than pro-scum
Calix also calls out DanelerH for his weak case
Calix is sceptical of a correct lynch between DanelerH and Lunatic
Jealous agrees on the "more anti town part" but sticks his vote on lunatic anyway

This vote was only posted in the discussion thread, not in the voting thread btw.

Calix reevaluates her Lunatic case, finds it a better lynch, votes on him
Lunatic shows up with another weak defense (there never is a mafia lynch day 1)
Scott has SEQ at just under null, asks Lunatic who he wants to lynch
Xatalos has Lunatic as a lynch candidate
Lunatic fluffs some more
Xatalos and Jealous call him out for it, Xatalos votes Lunatic
Rels returns, still pushes Lunatic for his tr
Skynx feels like Lunatic is just misinformed town
Xatalos questions this logic
Rels votes Lunatic
Skynx claims little time to play, feels like DYH is the best lynch and votes him
Superbia thinks his presence might not be needed after realizing lunatic is being lynched
DYH says DanelerH's tunnle onto Luna is contrived, Luna has made an anti town play and shut down, it feels like DYH doesn't like the lynch
DYH thinks that Luna and Dane are not scum together, but either of them could be scum
Rels doesn't agree with Skynx' assessment of DYH
Superbia wants to kill scott, but thinks Lunatic is a fine lynch as well
DYH votes Lunatic
On September 26 2016 04:18 DoYouHas wrote:
##Vote: Luna

Kind of a shame, in my head he was going to come back strong today and I was going to be able to make a case for Dane over him. But every hour that goes by without him contributing makes it more and more likely he flips scum.

Next post, scott votes Lunatic
On September 26 2016 04:18 scott31337 wrote:
Allright, so I even asked Luna who he wanted to lynch and didn't even say. He had two wordy posts that didn't have any content. There's a couple other people trying to push other lynches now too - so I feel more confident voting for him.

Rels and Stutters ask superbia why he dislikes scott
DanelerH now votes Lunatic with a reads list post
Calix doesn't like the new additions to the train on Lunatic
Rels dislikes DanelerH's reads list (most boring ever)
Xatalos also asks why superbia dislikes scott
Superbia doesn't like his two scumreads with no followup and his forced vote on luna
A lot of discussion happens, that is not relevant to this train (imo)
ptmc returns and moves his vote from stutters to lunatic
Stutters votes Lunatic so he doesn't forget while at work



And my comments for it, marked in red stuff i think is scummy, in green things i think is towny (obviously in the light of the successful lynch) with some comments centered where i needed to say some more

+ Show Spoiler +
Skynx calls Lunatics intro bad
Lunatic calls Stutters "so far the most obvious townie"
Already in the next post (1 hour later) Calix calls out Lunatic for his town-read
Skynx does not pick up on the read however, even though he quotes the post

this is maybe not red, but at least weird


Lunatic repeats his claim against Calix' push, but without any actual content
ptmc scum leans Lunatic for his town read
Rels wants Lunatic to explain his town read, but also likes Stutters for "weak reasons"
Lunatic doesn't want to explain his reasoning day 1
Rels is fine with leaving it at that, gives Lunatic a scum lean for it though
This triggers a short discussion between the two, not really yielding anything new
DanelerH pushes Stutters, gets called out by Xatalos
Xatalos town reads Stutters because he "gathers too much attention"
Rels agrees on Xatalos' push on DanelerH
Xatalos disregards Lunaticmans town read, Post 270: "Meh, I guess there isn't really much to talk about in their filters" (Their being Lunatic and Jealous)

again, at least weird, since it had obviously already sparked discussion


DanelerH pushes Lunatic to give his reasons for the town read, does not accept "I'll tell you later"
Lunatic now calls Stutters a blue role, and says that "if he dies it is on you [DanelerH] and Rels"
Jealous thinks both Stutters and Lunatic are "dodgy"
DanelerH keeps on pushing Lunatic
Xatalos wants to "focus on more helpful topics" instead of elaborating Lunaticmans town read.
Xatalos then calls out DanelerH for his push on Lunatic


I guess this is Lunatics blue role claim on stutters working out as intended?


Rels asks Lunatic why he thinks Stutters is a blue role, since blue roles and scum can be hard to differentiate
Xatalos again wants to stop the discussion since blue roles are involved
DanelerH doubts the blue role claim, thinks Lunaticman is faking it to not have to give a reason for the town read
Rels agrees

Xatalos reacts with
On September 25 2016 01:47 Xatalos wrote:
I guess that's a possibility. Well, let's see.

Lunatic tries to explain his town read/blue role read with meta, and stutters high activity. "Of course he has a power role". He is surprised that it escalated.
Xatalos again says he is unsure that we should discuss the topic further, but would be fine with an elaboration on the meta-read part
Skynx accuses DanelerH of tunneling on Lunatic
Scott scumreads DanelerH, while completely ignoring Lunatic

Skynx now asks about Lunatics town read
ptmc continues his push on Lunatic, and agrees on DanelerH's assumption on the blue role claim
Xatalos explains his reasoning on his scumlean on DanelerH, says that he throws more weak suspicion on a very easy target without committing, and that he dislikes discussing blue roles D1
Skynx calls DanelerH's reasoning for his Lunatic push "absurd"
Xatalos says that there hasn't been much meat to DanelerH's suspicions, but says that him committing to the Lunatic push might become interesting
ptmc calls out Skynx's attack on DanelerH
Xatalos says that there are people that have the gift of immediately noticing if someone has a BPR, and that we should stop elaborating on it in the thread
After a short discussion, where ptmc gives his reasons why he thinks a push on Lunatic is a good thing,
Xatalos says that he maybe was too tunneled on DanelerH, agrees that Lunatics tr was odd and that he would like to see a reason for it
Lunatic calls ptmc out because he "missed" how Rels and DanelerH pushed him to say Stutters is a blue
Stutters shows up, tries to focus on SEQ. "No comment on the blue stuff, scum can try to figure it out on their own"
DYH shows up, no comment on Lunatic at all, wants thoughts on me for thoughts on SEQ

Jealous shows up, calls out Lunatic for "retarded" anti town post
DYH reacts to Jealous' push on Lunatic, asking if he thinks it is bad play or scum
Jealous thinks it is almost too blatant to be scum
DYH wants to know if Jealous would lynch for it

Mafia feeling out the waters if it is bussing time?


Discussion between DYH and Stutters about other people
Jealous does not feel like his scum read is strong enough to warrant a vote, wants to hear other peoples opinion first
SEQ shows up, wants lunatic to elaborate on his town read and thinks that DanelerH tunnels too hard on him.
Still ends up with a scum lean on only Lunatic.

SEQ is now the first vote on Lunatic

Jealous says his vote is between Lunatic and Stutters
Scott returns, quotes Lunatics posts that were written well before scott went away. Now he says that he could lynch for them. Reassesses Stutters as well, arrives at "Wouldn't lynch today"

This looks so much like bussing, especially with him ignoring those posts previously


Scott is worried that noone town reads or defends Lunatic
Stutters again asks about SEQ

still no word on lunatic except the earlier "no comment"


Calix reappears, calls out Lunatic for his aggressive reactions, but thinks he is more anti-town than pro-scum
Calix also calls out DanelerH for his weak case
Calix is sceptical of a correct lynch between DanelerH and Lunatic
Jealous agrees on the "more anti town part" but sticks his vote on lunatic anyway

This vote was only posted in the discussion thread, not in the voting thread btw.

Calix reevaluates her Lunatic case, finds it a better lynch, votes on him
Lunatic shows up with another weak defense (there never is a mafia lynch day 1)
Scott has SEQ at just under null, asks Lunatic who he wants to lynch

Xatalos has Lunatic as a lynch candidate

Lunatic fluffs some more
Xatalos and Jealous call him out for it, Xatalos votes Lunatic
Rels returns, still pushes Lunatic for his tr
Skynx feels like Lunatic is just misinformed town
Xatalos questions this logic
Rels votes Lunatic
Skynx claims little time to play, feels like DYH is the best lynch and votes him
Superbia thinks his presence might not be needed after realizing lunatic is being lynched
DYH says DanelerH's tunnle onto Luna is contrived, Luna has made an anti town play and shut down, it feels like DYH doesn't like the lynch
DYH thinks that Luna and Dane are not scum together, but either of them could be scum
Rels doesn't agree with Skynx' assessment of DYH
Superbia wants to kill scott, but thinks Lunatic is a fine lynch as well
DYH votes Lunatic

i will not give green "points" from here on for voting lunatic, since the train has reached critical mass already


On September 26 2016 04:18 DoYouHas wrote:
##Vote: Luna

Kind of a shame, in my head he was going to come back strong today and I was going to be able to make a case for Dane over him. But every hour that goes by without him contributing makes it more and more likely he flips scum.

Next post, scott votes Lunatic
On September 26 2016 04:18 scott31337 wrote:
Allright, so I even asked Luna who he wanted to lynch and didn't even say. He had two wordy posts that didn't have any content. There's a couple other people trying to push other lynches now too - so I feel more confident voting for him.



Rels and Stutters ask superbia why he dislikes scott
DanelerH now votes Lunatic with a reads list post
Calix doesn't like the new additions to the train on Lunatic
Rels dislikes DanelerH's reads list (most boring ever)
Xatalos also asks why superbia dislikes scott
Superbia doesn't like scotts two scumreads with no followup and his forced vote on luna
A lot of discussion happens, that is not relevant to this train (imo)
ptmc returns and moves his vote from stutters to lunatic
Stutters votes Lunatic so he doesn't forget while at work


Take home message says scott had access to very bad posts by Lunatic way before he goes afk, but choses to ignore them. Only when the train has become unstoppable for mafia he "revisits" them and now they are strong enough to lynch for.

Other reads from the Lunaticman-Lynch:
solid town:
DanelerH
Calix

town lean:
Jealous
Rels
SEQ
superbia (for actually noticing scott)

inconsistent:
Xatalos
Skynx

scum leans (lynch all day err'day)
Scott, stutters, dyh


That's a nice list of the events. I think it's pretty accurate. Didn't at least see anything glaringly wrong. Well, not really sure why me being against discussing blue roles is in red there, but *shrug*, I can live with that.

Hm. Not entirely sure why Skynx is on the same level as me based on that list?

I guess it's fair to say that DanelerH looks quite a bit better than before and scott/DYH worse. Hm, I agree that Stutters' reactions to Lunatic are oddly distant, but wouldn't put him on the same level especially considering Lunatic's posts about Stutters.


It just strikes me as odd that you "fell" for Lunatics "he's a blue role, lets stop talking about it" defense.
You think skynx should be more towny or more scummy?
And if we disregard Lunatics post on Stutters, since it is basically pure WIFOM?
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
September 27 2016 08:35 GMT
#799
On September 27 2016 06:35 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2016 06:29 Skynx wrote:
On September 27 2016 06:19 Calix wrote:
If you think that mafia would find it impossible to push Lunatic like SEQ did (will check in a moment) then what stops him from being in your god-tier town bracket?

On September 25 2016 11:56 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:
On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote:
Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.

Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff.



Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it.

Stutters is so far the most obvious townie.

I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart.

This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything!

This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out.

Thanks for the read though not sure how you arrived on that conclusion on the obvious townie part of Stutters, would like some elaboration please.
but the rest of the post feels like it is filled with filler. Don't get the point of it.

This is the first post him pushing Lunatic, like only few hours into game.

On September 25 2016 12:30 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:
On September 25 2016 01:51 Lunaticman wrote:
Im going to concert so the TLDR, is tone/meta/activity. Stutters has shown more intrest and activity in the first day than recent games combined.

Of course he has a power role, and from context I dont think he is mafia.

I am kind of suprised by how this escelated from a simple townread. It feels like someone doesnt want to build a town circle and jerk peoples chain instead.

& what is wrong with jerking people's chain approach exactly???

On September 25 2016 12:41 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:
On September 25 2016 07:50 Lunaticman wrote:
You clearly didnt read the whole thing ptmc because I got pressured into saying Stutters was a blue read by rels and Da.

They called me scum for it and I saw no positive outcome in hiding the information since he could br killed by being a townread player anyway. No matter how you spin it you can make anyone look scummy.

Im going to sleep now and Im putting my vote on Da so I dont miss it.

Confused here. How does one get pressured into a blue read? Your read is your read, f*ck everyone else's opinion unless you are unsure. ^_^ (though I may have interpreted this part, oopsie if I did)
also note: just because you do scummy things, you shouldn't change your actions/thoughts for other people, playing to someone else's ways is going to make you look a hellava scummier player by being unsure of your playstyle.


He continues on like this until Lunatic does the blue read and all that jazz. He literally forces a mistake from mafia by sheer pressure.

You're right he should be top tier actually but i dunno some stuff in my mind prevented that. I'm actually so fkin tired.


While I agree that he is likely town, I think you're giving him too much credit here. He wasn't the only person pushing Lunatic in the manner that you described above - this leads me to conclude that SEQ was part of the collective pressure on Lunatic, not that SEQ was the sole player who was pressuring Lunatic prior to the TPR post.

Tired, huh? All I have to do to relate is to read your posts But I'd like a more fleshed-out read if we're both still alive in like 20 fucking minutes, lol.


He very much was part of the collective pressure. Although he was the first to vote, the questioning of Lunatic started with
Calix
Me
Rels
DanelerH
Skynx
Jealous
and then SEQ, in chronological order. Maybe enough for a quick bus? Dunno.
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
September 28 2016 08:47 GMT
#859
On September 28 2016 15:12 scott31337 wrote:
So these quiet Europeans are some bullshit.
+ Show Spoiler [notes] +

1) Calix - Who are your two scum reads - you were never quiet your last game here, wtf?
3) DanelerH - Actually been here today a bit, but answer as well - who are your two scum reads?
4) ptmc - Who are your two scum reads? - you seem to be pushing Stutters or want more information on him, what do you think?
5) Jealous - announced
6) SoulEaterQUEEN Tictock -announced
Veterans
1) Stutters695 - Two scum reads -asked already, "I'll be back"
2) Rels - two scum reads
3) Skynx - announced
4) Xatalos - announced
5) DoYouHas - flailing
6) Superbia - dead
7) scott31337 - town

Calix - Who are your two scum reads - you were never quiet until you were dead last game, what has changed?

DanelerH - Actually been here today a bit, but answer as well - What do you think of Stutters? Who are your two scum reads?

ptmc - Who are your two scum reads?

Stutters695 - Two scum reads -asked already, "I'll be back" - waiting for response.

Rels - Who are your two scum reads?


I'm not able to reduce them to only two (How could I?). So far I have seen nothing to change my reads from 8 pages ago: Stutters, DYH and yourself as the worst bunch, Xat and Skynx as backups.
I don't even care too much which one of the bad trio we start with atm, will have to decide with what happens in these last couple of hours.
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
September 28 2016 08:49 GMT
#860
On September 28 2016 08:02 Stutters695 wrote:
So I managed to sleep at 13 hours. I'm at work now, can try to field some questions if anyone would like but I'll be back in full after I get off (6-7hrs from now)


I hope you did something productive in the two hours you have been off work now?
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
September 28 2016 10:40 GMT
#874
On September 28 2016 18:42 Calix wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
I don't relate to a lot of the associative logic that's being used. Probably a site meta difference because scum on my site are more prone to low-key pushing their scum buddies to distance themselves before making some weird-ass defenses of them later on so it's really jarring to see people (like myself, Skynx, TT, etc) get town-read with the first point as a large contributing factor to that town-read. Is it really that rare for scum buddies to question each other?

Both the Skynx case (by Xatalos) and the Xatalos associations case (by Skynx) were absolute crap and were reliant on confirmation bias to support a pre-existing point. They just consisted of some throwaway comments which may possibly indicate scum/ scum interactions but maybe not and it was painful to read. Of those posts, TT made the best point when he said that Xatalos was being a hedge master with regards to Lunatic and talking too much and saying too little. Could just be how he talks (if anyone who's played with him before could chip in with their thoughts there then that would be good) but if I find the time then I'm going to see if his tone changed over the game. If it did then that's incriminating as hell.

Skynx' reaction to Xatalos was the most riled up I've seen him and that was in response to him being attacked. It stands out to me because of the departure from his more resigned "lynch me" attitude near the D1 EOD to someone who is defending themselves more vigorously.

@Skynx, what changed for you here?

Right now I think DYH is the best lynch. He's still not scum-hunting and whatever he's preparing had better be good and a lot of his defense was WIFOM (I wouldn't do X as scum) and meta analysis (which I don't understand nor do I care to because meta is shit). It's funny because he's spent more time on talking about himself over anyone else and that self-involvement is not something that comes from town.

Yeah, this can die.

Stutters is also scummy. Something I've noticed with him is that he is always promising to do certain things ("I'll have this big post ready before EON/ EOD" being just one example) but has followed through on almost none of them and I have not seen a RL reason for him not doing that or any explanation at all. He just drops it. It's like he says that to get people off his back because nobody wants to waste someone's time when they've promised to do XYZ.
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@Scott, I've just started university and I just got a new job, so I only get an hour or so to myself on most days.

Above two are the players I think are the most likely scum atm. I think Scott is also a possibility and TT's points make me want to re-visit my Xatalos read too. Also going to look at Jealous, Skynx too just because they have been less active so I need to remind myself of what they've done this game.


Finally someone also sees the scumminess in him. I was starting to think i was insane

On September 28 2016 18:51 Rels wrote:
I want to respond to your Stutters thing but I'm leaving for lunch. I'll do it after that because to me he's either confirmed town or scum depending on how this game develops, unless I misread something


Please do. there are definitely cases where I can see him being town in the future, but I don't feel like the overarching tr he is getting atm is warranted.
ptmc
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Finland306 Posts
September 28 2016 15:13 GMT
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## Vote Stutters695
ptmc
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Finland306 Posts
September 29 2016 06:05 GMT
#1051
So stutters is modkilled at EON?
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