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Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
September 25 2016 18:35 GMT
#461
Catchinh up right now
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
September 25 2016 18:38 GMT
#462
Fuck me actually i dont think I'll have any time at all

I'm an ok lynch if u guys feel like it sry i thought i'd have more time to play but im kinda moving houses and uni begins tomorrow.

If not tho my top sr is DYH. His chain of questions few pages back really don't accomplish anything at all. It really looks like he's farming town points while doinh nothing.

On September 25 2016 10:16 DoYouHas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2016 10:15 Jealous wrote:
On September 25 2016 00:23 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 23:53 DanelerH wrote:
I am not liking Lunaticman right now. First of all, basically all Lunatic has done is posted a random Town read. Let's take a look at it:

On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote:
Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.

Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff.



Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it.

Stutters is so far the most obvious townie.

I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart.

This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything!

This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out.


Lunaticman just throws a random Town-read in the middle of a bunch of irrelevant information. Furthermore, xe doesn't give any reasoning for the Town-read. When asked about it, xe responded with this series of posts:

On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 17:32 Calix wrote:
Yo. I have a bit of time in the morning to pop in.

I actually don't mind the activity as much as I usually would because the posting isn't just a bunch of useless spam and it's much easier to catch up/ reread stuff.

On September 24 2016 11:46 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/

Interesting idea. What does this achieve?
Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^

Also hi there.
I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you.
I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night.


Just to pop in with my two cents on this matter. Meta is good for establishing what is NAI for a player. (e.g., how often they vote or if they talk in a particular way) but I agree that a lot of people, myself included at times, use it as a substitute for analysis.

I'm not familiar with many people here (I've only really played with Skynx/ Superbia/ Jealous before) and I'd like to keep it that way so that my analysis isn't skewed by some subjective interpretations of how XYZ played in a game like, 486973 years ago. Only exception is if it's a bad player who has pronounced differences between their town/ scum game that means they make themselves obvious or some shit. So if we could keep the "X is scum/ town due to meta" talk down to a minimum then that'll be lovely.

As far as initial impressions go, I town-lean Jealous (this is mainly because we were posting similar things at approximately the same time when we were questioning Stutters so he's more likely to be coming from the same mindset as myself)

Ambivalent on Daneler. I didn't like his entrance because he was using someone else's words to put forth his opinion and then commented on something that looks odd but his follow-up made sense.

Stutters has done some questionable things with his claims to want to generate discussion. These two posts struck me as strange:

On September 24 2016 08:26 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:21 Jealous wrote:
[quote]
I'm usually pro-PL but it's too early to make such a decision. We need to see how others are posting. It's odd that you suggest this so early.

This is how I get reactions (or saying something controversial then lurking and waiting for reactions, but you don't want that). Obviously I don't want to lynch a lurker though because I want to lynch Xata.


Here he says that he was reaction-testing. NAI by itself but the fact that he capitulated so quickly makes me skeptical. Scum are more likely to shy away from their actions in this manner compared to town (who would be more confident in their ability to defend themselves) because they don't want too much attention.

Stutters:
Calix:
You only got two responses before claiming it was a reaction-test?

My dear Watson, the game is afoot. That does seem kind of counterproductive in retrospect. I think this is the part though where you guys debate if I'm terrible, trying to come off as terrible while scum or part of some master play.


Here he notes that people are likely to discuss his posts. Again, totally normal thing to say by itself, but what I don't like is the fact that he notes most of the possibilities before anyone can actually talk about him...since this limits opportunities for discussion...which goes against his stated aim of getting reactions and thus starting conversation.

It's not a legit contradiction or anything but I'd like Stutters to flesh out his reasoning here.

On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote:
Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.

Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff.



Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it.

Stutters is so far the most obvious townie.

I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart.

This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything!

This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out.


What makes you think Stutters is the most townie player in the thread?

Are you claiming to be one of the dumb-sounding people?

Fourth part is just weird. It states the obvious ("mafia are informed and will try to look townie") but it does it in a hyperbolic manner. Where are you going here?

If you think mafia are leading the discussion then that implies that you suspect players and this is something you did not put down in favour of a town-read. Who could fall under this category of 'leading mafia' in your eyes, if anyone?


Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town.

Please explain


Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least.


On September 24 2016 20:49 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:27 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 17:32 Calix wrote:
Yo. I have a bit of time in the morning to pop in.

I actually don't mind the activity as much as I usually would because the posting isn't just a bunch of useless spam and it's much easier to catch up/ reread stuff.

[quote]

Just to pop in with my two cents on this matter. Meta is good for establishing what is NAI for a player. (e.g., how often they vote or if they talk in a particular way) but I agree that a lot of people, myself included at times, use it as a substitute for analysis.

I'm not familiar with many people here (I've only really played with Skynx/ Superbia/ Jealous before) and I'd like to keep it that way so that my analysis isn't skewed by some subjective interpretations of how XYZ played in a game like, 486973 years ago. Only exception is if it's a bad player who has pronounced differences between their town/ scum game that means they make themselves obvious or some shit. So if we could keep the "X is scum/ town due to meta" talk down to a minimum then that'll be lovely.

As far as initial impressions go, I town-lean Jealous (this is mainly because we were posting similar things at approximately the same time when we were questioning Stutters so he's more likely to be coming from the same mindset as myself)

Ambivalent on Daneler. I didn't like his entrance because he was using someone else's words to put forth his opinion and then commented on something that looks odd but his follow-up made sense.

Stutters has done some questionable things with his claims to want to generate discussion. These two posts struck me as strange:

[quote]

Here he says that he was reaction-testing. NAI by itself but the fact that he capitulated so quickly makes me skeptical. Scum are more likely to shy away from their actions in this manner compared to town (who would be more confident in their ability to defend themselves) because they don't want too much attention.

[quote]

Here he notes that people are likely to discuss his posts. Again, totally normal thing to say by itself, but what I don't like is the fact that he notes most of the possibilities before anyone can actually talk about him...since this limits opportunities for discussion...which goes against his stated aim of getting reactions and thus starting conversation.

It's not a legit contradiction or anything but I'd like Stutters to flesh out his reasoning here.

[quote]

What makes you think Stutters is the most townie player in the thread?

Are you claiming to be one of the dumb-sounding people?

Fourth part is just weird. It states the obvious ("mafia are informed and will try to look townie") but it does it in a hyperbolic manner. Where are you going here?

If you think mafia are leading the discussion then that implies that you suspect players and this is something you did not put down in favour of a town-read. Who could fall under this category of 'leading mafia' in your eyes, if anyone?


Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town.

Please explain


Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least.

I'll remember that. This "I promise I have ghood reasons" comes more often from scum than from town though.


That is just speculation and if you were town you wouldn't force me to say why I have a town read.


On September 24 2016 21:20 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:51 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:49 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:27 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:
[quote]
Please explain


Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least.

I'll remember that. This "I promise I have ghood reasons" comes more often from scum than from town though.


That is just speculation and if you were town you wouldn't force me to say why I have a town read.

Why woudln't I do such a thing ?
So apparently you think I'm scum ?


No I didn't say that you are scum I just find it suspect why I have to tell you why I town read him even though I don't want to yet.



There is no reason not to give your reasoning for a Town-read. I want to know why you think Shutters is Town and I will not accept "I'll tell you later" as an answer.


The game is 4 pages long day one, take a chill pill. I dare to say I have done more than half the players in the game and in my experience you never hit mafia day one. It is much better to build a town circle.

Also Stutters is in all likelyhood a blue role. And if he dies it is on you and Rels.

Am I crazy for thinking this is an anti town post? Making Stutters out to be blue role with no nuance is downright retarded.


It is absolutely anti-town. Do you think it is bad play or scum?


On September 25 2016 10:53 DoYouHas wrote:
So is it bad enough that you would want to lynch him or do you currently have a stronger scum read on someone else currently?


I mean these supposed to make it look like he's pressuring Jealous for explanations but he sort of responds and nothing from DYH regarding his stance on Luna.

Then he switches to SEQ, stating bunch of thoughts which actually doesn't say anything.

On September 25 2016 11:02 DoYouHas wrote:
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On September 25 2016 10:56 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 25 2016 10:11 DoYouHas wrote:
I am around Stutters. What are your thoughts on ptmc? I'll trade you for some on SEQ.

I don't think ptmc is a better lynch before SEQ gets to respond.

Voting me with his focus on Luna is super weird also.


SEQ does not bother me much at all. He reads like he jumped in with both feet and started rooting around. The line you bolded would be weak reasoning if he had actually gone after Xata or spread suspicion on him, but I don't think he did. He moves on pretty quickly and after talking about mafia in a pretty general sense (not unusual for someone new to forum mafia, especially with Jealous getting into it too) he seems to be scumhunting. You have picked a pretty early statement from him that does not, to me, hold the significance you are assigning it.


Like there is not a final verdict, he says he doesnt bother him then bunch of thoughts filling the air and thats it.

On September 25 2016 11:35 DoYouHas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2016 11:29 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 25 2016 11:02 DoYouHas wrote:
On September 25 2016 10:56 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 25 2016 10:11 DoYouHas wrote:
I am around Stutters. What are your thoughts on ptmc? I'll trade you for some on SEQ.

I don't think ptmc is a better lynch before SEQ gets to respond.

Voting me with his focus on Luna is super weird also.


SEQ does not bother me much at all. He reads like he jumped in with both feet and started rooting around. The line you bolded would be weak reasoning if he had actually gone after Xata or spread suspicion on him, but I don't think he did. He moves on pretty quickly and after talking about mafia in a pretty general sense (not unusual for someone new to forum mafia, especially with Jealous getting into it too) he seems to be scumhunting. You have picked a pretty early statement from him that does not, to me, hold the significance you are assigning it.

All of his statements are from around that time. Not to mention the apologetic/cautious nature. Just kind of screams first time scum to me.

I want to see what you are seeing. I think you are likely town. Can you walk me through it like I'm an idiot? Where is his apologetic/cautious nature evident?


This is kinda more evident of all tho, when he pushes Jealous for avoiding answering questions and he himself disappeara after this kind of questioning.

Yeh my top lynch target i guess, all of this above feels like activity for sake of activity to me.

Thats best i can do from phone guys, sory for being afk so far this game
Hopefully i can pick it up later on.

"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
September 25 2016 18:42 GMT
#463
Okay. All done.

Who's ready to trust me on the basis of nothing and follow my reads to the end of earth (or day)?
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
September 25 2016 18:43 GMT
#464
I need a champion.
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
September 25 2016 18:45 GMT
#465
Though I don't have any reads yet. I need a patient champion.
Minimal effort.
DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
September 25 2016 18:45 GMT
#466
On September 26 2016 03:43 Superbia wrote:
I need a champion.


You have Giacomo! (so long as you are leading against DH, Luna, or Jealous)
Guts? Determination? $5?
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
September 25 2016 18:46 GMT
#467
On September 26 2016 03:45 DoYouHas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2016 03:43 Superbia wrote:
I need a champion.


You have Giacomo! (so long as you are leading against DH, Luna, or Jealous)


Yeh I'd prefer a town champ though.
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
September 25 2016 18:48 GMT
#468
Who has some info for me on Xat's meta?
Minimal effort.
DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
September 25 2016 18:48 GMT
#469
On September 26 2016 03:46 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2016 03:45 DoYouHas wrote:
On September 26 2016 03:43 Superbia wrote:
I need a champion.


You have Giacomo! (so long as you are leading against DH, Luna, or Jealous)


Yeh I'd prefer a town champ though.


Yowch
Guts? Determination? $5?
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
September 25 2016 18:49 GMT
#470
On September 26 2016 03:46 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2016 03:45 DoYouHas wrote:
On September 26 2016 03:43 Superbia wrote:
I need a champion.


You have Giacomo! (so long as you are leading against DH, Luna, or Jealous)


Yeh I'd prefer a town champ though.

I've got you fam.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
September 25 2016 18:49 GMT
#471
Hmm I had Xat as mafia yesterday after skimming for 45seconds. But maybe town.
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
September 25 2016 18:50 GMT
#472
I am so fucking confused as to why no one has called me mafia yet this game and now everyone is reacting like this.

???

Oh well.
Minimal effort.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
September 25 2016 18:51 GMT
#473
Hiiii Skynx I can totally relate to uni stuff.

Also I agree on DYH not doing stuff. I read his filter and there is like literally nothing in there but some town-reads and lts of questions withoyt him saying anything himself. I'll try to find post numbers now but I feel like he could be scum who is coasting
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
September 25 2016 18:51 GMT
#474
It's probably because I'm handsome (or fabulous).
Minimal effort.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
September 25 2016 18:52 GMT
#475
lol why would anyone even talk about you when you hadn't said anything an said you'd be busy on Sunday? Legit thought you were getting replaced or modkilled.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
September 25 2016 18:53 GMT
#476
On September 26 2016 03:52 Calix wrote:
lol why would anyone even talk about you when you hadn't said anything an said you'd be busy on Sunday? Legit thought you were getting replaced or modkilled.


Because last time I said I would try to lurk through d1 I was literally unable to.
Minimal effort.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
September 25 2016 18:55 GMT
#477
On September 26 2016 03:53 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2016 03:52 Calix wrote:
lol why would anyone even talk about you when you hadn't said anything an said you'd be busy on Sunday? Legit thought you were getting replaced or modkilled.


Because last time I said I would try to lurk through d1 I was literally unable to.


You never know. Well keep us updated with your thoughts and stuff. Have you said about the Lunatic lynch yet?
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
September 25 2016 18:56 GMT
#478
On September 26 2016 03:55 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2016 03:53 Superbia wrote:
On September 26 2016 03:52 Calix wrote:
lol why would anyone even talk about you when you hadn't said anything an said you'd be busy on Sunday? Legit thought you were getting replaced or modkilled.


Because last time I said I would try to lurk through d1 I was literally unable to.


You never know. Well keep us updated with your thoughts and stuff. Have you said about the Lunatic lynch yet?


Nope. Didn't even know. :D
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
September 25 2016 18:58 GMT
#479
My presence may not be needed. Hmm.
Minimal effort.
DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
September 25 2016 18:58 GMT
#480
On September 26 2016 03:50 Superbia wrote:
I am so fucking confused as to why no one has called me mafia yet this game and now everyone is reacting like this.

???

Oh well.


Activity levels are low and there are better lynch targets than you, especially if your going to ramp up.

DH's tunnel onto Luna is very contrived with no follow through. Pair that with his questionable early posting and it feels like scum to me. Maybe he brings something to the table before deadline now, but it feels like he tunneled just long enough to get the spotlight on someone else then disappeared.

Luna made an anti-town play and has essentially shut down since coming under the displeasure of the thread, making him a very reasonable lynch and possible scum. I don't think making a meta read is in any way alignment indicative but I appear to be in the minority on that.

Jealous started with fluff, then stirred the pot, and finished by being super non-commital. Townies should be trusting there own judgement over that of people's whose alignments are uncertain. Also potentially scum.
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