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scott31337
United States2979 Posts
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Stutters695
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Calix
3379 Posts
 Can't quote anything right now so I'll use post numbers if I want to make a point. ptmc, I'm not sure if you're still scum-reading SoulQueen but RVS is NAI, although it's not something that people on this site engage in. It's something that some other mafia sites do to start the game off. My site often does this to 'generate discussion' - it's not effective but people do it anyway. So if that's the only reason you're scum-reading SoulQueen then you should really reconsider, lol. The only questionable thing is them voting for Stutters when he was being suspected a bit and that means nothing until we know what Stutters is. | ||
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Calix
3379 Posts
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Calix
3379 Posts
??? #278 is a generic defense with the "makes sense from scum perspective but also from town" from DanelerH. His case on Lunatic is also pretty bad. (he made one town-read and refuses to explain it - this is more indicative of stubbornness/ stupidity because all you get out of doing that is drawing a stupid amount of attention to yourself) Daneler made that post after Rels questioned Lunatic. I'm noticing a pattern of Daneler accusing people after someone else has (first with Stutters and then with Lunatic) so I suspect a bandwagoner on the loose here given he's done it twice now. Overall, I am still undecided on Daneler. Not because he has done nothing AI whatsoever but every time I think he's town, he does something sketchy and vice versa so I don't even fucking know what to make of him. Right now, Lunatic's more anti-town than pro-scum imo because I don't see scum motivation for saying "this suspected person is my top town-read but you can go fuck yourself if you ask why". It doesn't give a good defense of Stutters. (scum/ scum) It's a pitiful attempt at white-knighting if I've ever seen one. (scum/ town) There was no reason for him to even make that comment in the first place so the "he's making up an excuse" explanation doesn't mesh well with me. If these two are still the main suspects then I'm skeptical of the odds of lynching correctly today. | ||
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Jealous
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Jealous
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Jealous
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Calix
3379 Posts
Anyway, he says he's one of the more productive players - if that's productive then this game is a spam-fest. He also claims he's building a town circle which I have yet to see on both points. (his weird-ass town-read on Stutters doesn't count) I recall him saying he was going to investigate the first few posters or something - has he followed up on that? With regards to TPR-hunting, again, that's anti-town because scum would just post their TPR-reads into their private chat. It's also insanely retarded to do as town and if Lunatic thought that Stutters was blue then he should have just defended Stutters using his posts to avoid this. I have no idea what he was trying to achieve there but I guarantee that the execution was terrible. This read is shit because a lot of his actions require a crapload of WIFOM to decipher. His mindset doesn't make any bloody sense to me and I don't see a coherent explanation for his actions for town or scum, so I'd like to clear that up. This reasoning is similar with Daneler to an extent as I am finding him difficult to place. However he is less disruptive to the chat compared to Lunatic. | ||
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Calix
3379 Posts
Scott, I'm pretty sure I explained my initial Jealous town-read as a mind-meld kind of thing. It was extremely weak and his floppy play is making me move him down to null. I've seen people use 'try-hard' as a scum tell and I don't follow - how is this scum-indicative and not personality-indicative? I agree with Xatalos to an extent about Daneler. His entrance was terrible and his cases have a) followed other people's suspicions and b) have been lacking and pointing out things that aren't scum-indicative at all. He also comes across as timid but that could just be because he's new so I'll just note that down for future reference. I like that Xatalos was questioning Skynx about his Daneler read instead of just accepting it because Skynx agrees with him on a suspect or something. #340 just shows that Lunatic fares poorly under pressure. He's all about that hyperbole. (he was LITERALLY PRESSURED into revealing his TPR-read after he was...called scum guise) As it stands, this dude is just going to be a detriment to town regardless of alignment given how many of his posts are fucking retarded for anyone to make. (horrible reactions to pressure + random town-read that he won't explain before calling a town-read a TPR for example) He's going to create too much WIFOM about "dumb town or dumb scum" to be worth the risk. I don't usually like policy-lynches but with this level of activity, keeping around someone who is being disruptive is a poor move. I am not going to cry over a Daneler/ Stutters lynch either. Daneler is the ultimate null read for me so seeing him flip would be useful and Stutters just ignored my accusation against him (which confirms the accusations via silence) and I didn't see anything in my catch-up that made me reconsider my read of | ||
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Calix
3379 Posts
Consider my vote on Lunatic. Not gonna lie, it's hard to form any decent read on anyone this round. Will try to fit in some time to filter-dive but can't guarantee anything. | ||
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Lunaticman
Sweden1097 Posts
This game is just full of paragraf knights. I told you why I didnt want to say my SINGLE read and I got forced. Saying I wasnt forced is a lie. And when I do say why Im a coward, so either way Im scum. And that dosent even make sense. It is also intresting to see that town once again town reads the people with most posts as town. Remember that mafia always sound smater and better because they know who is mafia and are working with perfect information. Lastly I yet to see a day one lynch of a mafia player so anything that happens day one usually is just speculation. My time is precious this weekend the little spare time I have not working is spent defending myself. I dont really have time to do what I want which is identify townies and lookig for mafia in the top posters day one. A good example is my last normal game in which I found the gf day one and was unsuccessful in lynching him 3 days in a row because the mafia undermined me constantly. | ||
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scott31337
United States2979 Posts
On September 25 2016 16:24 Stutters695 wrote: He didn't quote it, he said something like the post above this is good. What are your thoughts on SEQ? Okay On September 24 2016 11:46 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote: Interesting idea. What does this achieve? Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^ Also hi there. I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you. I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night. This is a pretty bad first post, as been quoted and noted earlier. On September 24 2016 14:02 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote: I liked that last bit you wrote in the post. I feel the same way but I tend to be impulsive and pressurize my way into getting reads as a natural reaction when I begin playing through RVS which has lead to some results in getting activity in the game which is nice. I still have yet to see the point in the RVS in general but noticed the lack of presence of it so far here. Would like to hear the views of how you perceive RVS/what kinds of points given. This may not lead to alignment indicative posts, but gives me an understanding of where people's heads are at this point in the game. That being said, I like how confident tone in that post, it could be from a very well seasoned player, but normally see caution amongst scum at the beginning, so I am definitely light town reading Jealous based on the #233, I also like how there is consistency on the behaviour reasoning for the post I questioned which again feels like they are not frabricating a reasoning. Please note, my reads tend to have a dynamic flow as the game state changes so take it with a grain of salt. There's a few things that bug me about this post (besides his failure to quote, which is one) It's so pronouny it's a bit difficult to know who he's even talking about - especially if you get into another day and do a filter re-read. The second would be the "Please note, my reads tend to have a dynamic flow as the game state changes so take it with a grain of salt." which in theory any one would do. It gives me weird vibes. On September 25 2016 13:07 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote: Okay so here's my thoughts on what I have read up on so far: town leans on Xalador (gave my reasons earlier) pmtc (the discussion and decoding Danaler's alignment with Xalador felt incredibly nature/smooth + points on scum hunting) Calix (earlier interactions = bit blurry on reasoning though other than criticism on stutter just nice impression since it gave me stuff to work with to get out of gross RVS) small town lean on Danaler (gave my reasoning earlier = based on tunnelling on Lunar) DoYouHas (analysis on myself I guess? kinda a weak reasoning) Unsure on Jealous (confident tone which felt townie to me, abuses newb card in #366 rubs me the wrong way. Good point by Rels that alarms go off on the lack of scum hunting) Stutters (still need more on current game state thoughts) Slight Scum read Lunar (commented on how I didn't like how he gave into the pressure by players, shakey confidence, but didn't like the filler jab I pointed out in #357 and #359 - don't like meta tells to be that conceret) the rest, nothing really stood out in my backreading. Although I disagree with a bit of this list - SEQ is providing a list here. (IE Jealous & Rels) Xatalos is a really spammy player but nothing has set me off on him or anything yet. Stutters, I feel it's a little OMGUS with a couple good and a few bad posts, to be honest. Just under null is where I'd put SEQ. | ||
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scott31337
United States2979 Posts
On September 25 2016 18:23 Lunaticman wrote: I wonder how not wanting to state a read because it will reveal a blue role is equal towards being mafia. The reason for not saying anything is because that is based o information town dont want mafia to know. This game is just full of paragraf knights. I told you why I didnt want to say my SINGLE read and I got forced. Saying I wasnt forced is a lie. And when I do say why Im a coward, so either way Im scum. And that dosent even make sense. It is also intresting to see that town once again town reads the people with most posts as town. Remember that mafia always sound smater and better because they know who is mafia and are working with perfect information. Lastly I yet to see a day one lynch of a mafia player so anything that happens day one usually is just speculation. My time is precious this weekend the little spare time I have not working is spent defending myself. I dont really have time to do what I want which is identify townies and lookig for mafia in the top posters day one. A good example is my last normal game in which I found the gf day one and was unsuccessful in lynching him 3 days in a row because the mafia undermined me constantly. So who do you want to lynch? | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On September 25 2016 17:20 Calix wrote: Actually Lunatic looks like a better lynch with how he's reacting to the pitiful amount of pressure he's getting and aside from "over-reacts to pressure and is making bad posts out of frustration" I'm confused as to why he's acting like this in the first place. I haven't seen anything explicitly townie from him either. Anyway, he says he's one of the more productive players - if that's productive then this game is a spam-fest. He also claims he's building a town circle which I have yet to see on both points. (his weird-ass town-read on Stutters doesn't count) I recall him saying he was going to investigate the first few posters or something - has he followed up on that? With regards to TPR-hunting, again, that's anti-town because scum would just post their TPR-reads into their private chat. It's also insanely retarded to do as town and if Lunatic thought that Stutters was blue then he should have just defended Stutters using his posts to avoid this. I have no idea what he was trying to achieve there but I guarantee that the execution was terrible. This read is shit because a lot of his actions require a crapload of WIFOM to decipher. His mindset doesn't make any bloody sense to me and I don't see a coherent explanation for his actions for town or scum, so I'd like to clear that up. This reasoning is similar with Daneler to an extent as I am finding him difficult to place. However he is less disruptive to the chat compared to Lunatic. Yeah, that whole situation seems pretty stupid from any perspective. No reason to out a blue read in any form as town (even in the form of a non-reasoned strong town read -> pretty obviously a blue read), but no reason to start talking about that as scum either (just putting negative attention on himself for no reason). I guess it was some panic decision under pressure. Maybe leaning scum after all because why would he panic so much as town under a little pressure? Hmmm. Well, let's say he would be a lynch candidate, definitely over Stutter. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On September 25 2016 18:32 scott31337 wrote: Okay This is a pretty bad first post, as been quoted and noted earlier. There's a few things that bug me about this post (besides his failure to quote, which is one) It's so pronouny it's a bit difficult to know who he's even talking about - especially if you get into another day and do a filter re-read. The second would be the "Please note, my reads tend to have a dynamic flow as the game state changes so take it with a grain of salt." which in theory any one would do. It gives me weird vibes. Although I disagree with a bit of this list - SEQ is providing a list here. (IE Jealous & Rels) Xatalos is a really spammy player but nothing has set me off on him or anything yet. Stutters, I feel it's a little OMGUS with a couple good and a few bad posts, to be honest. Just under null is where I'd put SEQ. Can't disagree  | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On September 25 2016 18:23 Lunaticman wrote: I wonder how not wanting to state a read because it will reveal a blue role is equal towards being mafia. The reason for not saying anything is because that is based o information town dont want mafia to know. This game is just full of paragraf knights. I told you why I didnt want to say my SINGLE read and I got forced. Saying I wasnt forced is a lie. And when I do say why Im a coward, so either way Im scum. And that dosent even make sense. It is also intresting to see that town once again town reads the people with most posts as town. Remember that mafia always sound smater and better because they know who is mafia and are working with perfect information. Lastly I yet to see a day one lynch of a mafia player so anything that happens day one usually is just speculation. My time is precious this weekend the little spare time I have not working is spent defending myself. I dont really have time to do what I want which is identify townies and lookig for mafia in the top posters day one. A good example is my last normal game in which I found the gf day one and was unsuccessful in lynching him 3 days in a row because the mafia undermined me constantly. But why did you say that Stutter was a strong town read in the first place without any reasoning? Isn't that the same as claiming that he's potentially a blue in your opinion (from scum perspective)? Granted, it could also be a complicated meta reason or something, but having a blue read is often the reason if someone doesn't want to say his reasons for a read. And then why reveal the blue read so quickly anyway under a bit of pressure? It's just... pretty much a disastrous chain of events, especially if you're town and correct. It's also disastrous if you're scum, so... Just why? | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
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Lunaticman
Sweden1097 Posts
On September 25 2016 21:10 Xatalos wrote: But why did you say that Stutter was a strong town read in the first place without any reasoning? Isn't that the same as claiming that he's potentially a blue in your opinion (from scum perspective)? Granted, it could also be a complicated meta reason or something, but having a blue read is often the reason if someone doesn't want to say his reasons for a read. And then why reveal the blue read so quickly anyway under a bit of pressure? It's just... pretty much a disastrous chain of events, especially if you're town and correct. It's also disastrous if you're scum, so... Just why? So you don't have hunches? I'm just saying nothing that has been said today has been nothing but speculation and you are accusing me of not giving reasons? God ok I'll play your game: Stutters is town because I have a meta read on him. Satisified? "No, how can you know that?" "Because I played with him before" "Really explain!" On and on this goes. the TL mafia community really has a hard time dealing with people playing emotionally rather than using logic. I'm probably not going to respond to anything related to my first town read anymore. It feels like beating a dead horse. | ||
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