EPTOn August 26 2016 02:53 beentheredonethat wrote:
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On August 29 2016 05:55 disformation wrote: now that I am conf. town, you ppl can fight over who gets to carry me. <3 You're not confirmed town  | ||
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On August 29 2016 05:59 Trfel wrote: Beentheredonethat is the worst cohost on TL. I didn't think he would be cruel enough to make me mafia two games in a row  Fine you can get lynched don't think that your smugness will save you from saying stupid things. ##Vote Trfel | ||
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On August 29 2016 06:08 Trfel wrote: Disformation, I find it very odd that you felt the need to justify your earlier post after Vivax made an obviously joking statement. Please explain? I wasn't joking, he's just not conf town for posting first. Don't see why it's suspicious for him to reply to my post in an empty game either, is it Truffle? | ||
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On August 29 2016 06:21 Tumblewood wrote: gonna jump on the "talk about trfel" ship doesn't make a whole lot of sense that trfel would jokingly claim scum and then shift right into serious mode. well, maybe a little. I still don't like it. vivax is also probably town for getting pissed at that. I'm not pissed I think I'm just overeager. Please stop seeing my posts as emotionally driven by anger or something. <3 you all except geript cuz he makes me go ACTUALLY ape in a lot of games. At bolded: Why not? That's what I hinted at when attacking him for the joking, so he followed up by trying to find arguments. We need productivity not jokes followed by disappereances. Sane behaviour so far, not particularly alignment indicative, but if he just disappeared I'd have kept accusing him of being scummy. | ||
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On August 29 2016 06:31 Palmar wrote: ok is no one going to ask me how I came up with my theory? what is this? I was thinking about writing up how much I am a big fanboy of yours and mad respect and all and so I stand behind your Rels=scum theory. | ||
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On August 29 2016 06:49 Trfel wrote: Sorry Vivax, I'm still trying to figure this out. I'm not quite getting what you're saying. You're saying that if Tumblewood was actually interested in my alignment, and actually wanted to talk about me, then he would have discussed your post about me instead of just talking about Palmar's read on Rels? Or am I wrong? More or less. I think he was way more drawn to the Rels issue than to yours which he initially mentioned. But why would he? Does he just have fun antagonizing Palmar? Is he more protective of Rels for other reasons? | ||
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THE CASE AGAINST RELS ![[image loading]](https://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljrd6hpKLh1qe6qvlo1_1280.jpg)
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On August 29 2016 07:08 Koshi wrote: I saw it in obs qt. hahahahahaha dat wishful thinking. You're a real prick for saying you had a cool role when it was just yourself. It made me misjudge you. Palmar rigged the game. | ||
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Spoilered road to enlightenment. + Show Spoiler + I thought to myself "why are you wrong so many times on D1 Vivax?Why?". The answer is that mafia is a hard game, best played after carefully finding out how mafia plays in finished games. So I went ahead and read a bit of Who needs 72 hours anyway mafia with the Rels Grack and TUmble scum team. Rels entered the thread with a qt joke and talking about mechanics. Grack was the most interesting cause I found someone to compare him to in this game. Tumble was mostly lazily throwing around reads. So I'll go right ahead and tell you who our D1 lynch is. It's scott. What I noticed in Grack in the other game was that he tended to attach to a lot of issues simultaneously by posting semi contributive posts that tended to end with questions , then he would jump to other issues the actual townies were talking about without pursuing the previously happened discussion. He would also occasionally post jokish stuff. So if I had to make a summary of how mafia played: - no own agenda, just reacting to townies and their topics. - no committment to what he said. - liked opportunities to start talking about hogwash. - + one could go on about finding similarities. Anyway, let me proceed with formulating how all of this actually makes scott mafia. THE CASE ON SCOTT ![[image loading]](https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/51/56/c4/5156c4785945c90f11b36d97ed244d0c.jpg) ![[image loading]](https://media0.giphy.com/media/1VI11KXvGKZ8c/200_s.gif) On August 29 2016 06:08 scott31337 wrote: Woohoo! Let's do this. Hmmmm- would Trfel be this bold? Or a big bag of WIFOM? Question that doesn't show any own opinion and is left unattended for the rest of his posts. It was just the hot topic at the time so he drops it to appear invested. Random reactive question that seems irrelevant even to himself. Check. Simply mirrors what Koshi said in his next post. Apparently thinks I'm mafia with Trfel but so far he didn't even spell it out once. Low committment to his declared opinion. Check. On August 29 2016 06:26 scott31337 wrote: Palmar playing on a weekend is extremely suspicious. Random low seriousness post. Check. On August 29 2016 06:46 scott31337 wrote: So just for fun, I checked Rel's two last games as Mafia that are in the database -http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=494436&user=Rels&view=all http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=494873&user=Rels&view=all So one was Palmar's witch game where he comes in and starts talking about game setup crap for an entrance (well can't really do that here) and the other he starts just talking shit Rels doesn't enter games with any information, he usually just talks. This could be a good idea. Just for fun he checks Rels last two games. He comes to a completely different conclusion than Palmar. Bolded. "Wait, Rels actually just talks about unimportant stuff as mafia early".BUT "Palmar could have a good idea" even though what Palmar is saying is that Rels doesn't talk. Appeasing and weak opinion that isn't in line with his findings. Check. On August 29 2016 06:50 scott31337 wrote: He saw how townie you played in the last game, did he build a lot of respect from you of it, because I would think he would find easier targets, you know what I mean? I have trouble understanding this but I think what scott is saying here is that Trfel would find easier targets as mafia. Anyway this is his chance to get back to talk about Trfel's entrance but he doesn't take it even though he appeared to be interested into it earlier. Another reactionary post to (what I think) a townie said. Check. On August 29 2016 07:10 scott31337 wrote: This post doesn't make any sense. It's in the OP. Did you roll mafia again? Not "This post doesn't make any sense, you are mafia!", but "are you mafia again?". Hiding behind questions to not have to do anything even with a good reason to. Check. On August 29 2016 07:40 scott31337 wrote: Looks like you're not my buddy this game... How sad His buddy? How is HF even supposed to be his buddy. Scott doesn't have an own agenda HF could support. Check. On August 29 2016 11:01 scott31337 wrote: Umm, I think the game has been going decently well. Every body has posted at least once, and I started my spreadsheet and have notes for everybody.  Could you tell me more? Random question. On August 29 2016 11:14 scott31337 wrote: DanelerH Where are you located in the world if you don't mind me asking? Or more or less, what time zone? Useless question. On August 29 2016 11:26 scott31337 wrote: Awesome, I'm Pacific, and see a lot of the EU posts when I wake up - so wanted to know where you stood - more than half our players are from Europe/Iceland. COol, now he's talking about our timezones. He apparently thinks that knowing Danielers timezone he can get information about his alignment? On August 29 2016 11:33 scott31337 wrote: Do you have anything else to add? What do you think of Race Bannon's posts? Random questions. On August 29 2016 11:58 scott31337 wrote: Maybe the others have a point - you have a town on Vivax and a scumread on Rels - anything else? Random questions. Back to the earlier posts, don't you think he should have me and Trfel as scummy? Do you see anything of the sort in his later posts? Nope . Rest of his filter is short enough that you can go through it by yourself, but scott is mafiAAAAAAAA and we have to lynch him. Pls help me lynch him town  | ||
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Also not going to join any wagon EoD that isn't scott. If you think you can do better let's see you do it. | ||
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On August 29 2016 22:36 Tictock wrote: Your WoT made my eyes bleed. I gather you have some weirdly formed meta read on scott... I hate it. I should probably have good reasons why but I just don't buy the meta argument here. Honestly I kinda hate that most of the cases put out there so far are heavily meta based. I suppose I should have expected that given this player list. And you suck TT. It can't be a meta read cause I'm not judging him based on meta. What I did is much better: I analyzed a confirmed scum in a finished game and found out that scott's play is the one which has most things in common with how a mafia plays, so he's likely mafia. Carefully laid out. That case is science, bitch! If you won't read walls of text made by your suspect don't play this game thanks. | ||
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Apparently he agreed with disfo about me and Trfel being buds together or something but that line of thought is not pursued in the slightest afterwards. I'm just repeating myself I think so I'll keep sitting here until scott dies, I might just sheep Palmar or HF later but I'm not afraid of being the only vote on scott at EoD if I feel like it. So I dnu. Vote scott or gtfo for now. The case stands and so far I've only seen stronlgy subjective remarks to it that don't match my level of effort in making it in the slightest and will be dismissed as such. | ||
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It's already mafia indicative that he's still sitting on the Rels wagon when it lost steam. Townies all went looking for better stuff when they had more information available. Palmar gave potential mafia a very easy wagon to switch to, but a hard one to get away from without putting in effort. The remnants you're seeing on the Rels wagon are the fishlets who got stuck in the bait and don't have the muscle to break free. I'll bother about making a call on TT later cause until scott dies I'm in a strike. | ||
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On August 30 2016 06:55 scott31337 wrote: Who are the other mafia? When I flip town can we lynch you? Yes absolutely but it's not going to happen. I don't need to bother about other mafia cause it's much more effective to find one and stick to it. And so far I didn't see any convincing cases besides my own. Until you're dead I'll keep pestering you. I'm that convinced you're scum. | ||
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On August 30 2016 08:27 Tictock wrote: Oh I read your post, that's why my eyes were bleeding. Your "science" is even worse than what I originally thought you were doing. It reminds me of this...+ Show Spoiler + Basically you are making a meta read on another player and then applying it to Scott this game. I could probably do the exact same thing with someone who was town in another game. Nowhere in your case do you show how the stuff you quote are evidence of mafia mindset, you just label stuff as useless or random. It's more like you used the word meta to lazily talk down my case, which revolves around finding out what scum tends to do in the first part and then figuring out that it's what scott is doing in the second one. If that's the case then Palmar used meta as well by your definition when he posted his argument on Rels WHICH YOU SHEEPED(!). While Palmar said "mafia tends to have a hard time entering the thread -> Rels had a hard time entering the thread therefore mafia. I said: "mafia tends to ask random questions, not follow their own line of reasoning, has no own agenda etc. etc". -> scott does all this stuff therefore mafia. Differently from Palmar I posted Grack as example of a mafia playing exactly like that in another game. Cause that's what you call empiric evidence. Anyone can claim mafia tends to do certain things, but I went through the trouble of illustrating them to further cement my case. So by your own definition, Palmar applied meta to Rels which you followed blindly (which btw wasn't meta) but when I posted my argument (which btw wasn't meta) you antagonized it. So I think it's time to get working on your semantics and stop poking at all the wrong places for bad reasons. Mostly cause it WILL come back to bite you in the arse. | ||
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I just explained why you were misusing the word meta to shit on my case and now you're talking about Grack's play being the epitome mafia play. Go do something useful, you're just a shitty antagonizer that doesn't accomplish jack for a lynch. | ||
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You have two options to be useful: 1) Make a convincing case on why I'm mafia 2) Make a convincing case on why scott is town. Otherwise you're really just ruining the game for me. I don't want to put up with your shit. | ||
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I woke up in a good mood today spending about an hour reading 72 H and this game and trying to display in as much detail as possible how scott was playing like mafia, then some random arses pop in and start saying "tl dr but your case is shit". That'd be Koshi and you, HF at least kept it at the tl dr without being in the automatic setting of just taking a gigantic crap on someone who is actually trying to solve the game. People like that are gamekillers so step it up kiddo | ||
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I'm trying to meta TW now but I feel like I have a hard time doing it based on content. Only apparent thing so far is that as mafia he would come in every 3-4 hours on average and shoot a salvo of 4-5 posts. He feels much more present this game so idk. I am tempted to just not have a read on him, watch town mislynch on D1 (that'd be my best case cause then I wouldn't be the guy who was wrong + schadenfreude) and just be the baller who was on scott all along. | ||
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On August 30 2016 21:15 disformation wrote: ppl explaining their town reads on vivax might be cool. I townread him cause he's really invested in the game. | ||
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On August 29 2016 16:02 Trfel wrote: Bleh, you're right. Okay, so why do you think that Vivax is town then? On August 29 2016 16:05 Trfel wrote: But you posted that Vivax is town before he posted his case on Rels? On August 29 2016 16:08 disformation wrote: yes, cause I liked his early posts. now I am still thinking he is town for having made me laugh Currently doing a reread. Disfo I will laugh if Trfel caught you here, but I'll worry about it after scott died. | ||
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On August 30 2016 21:25 disformation wrote: I love how you are trying to discredit me before I even posted a case. afraid? I'm pointing out how Trfel picked up on something really smart to pick up on that might just have been you tripping on your own read. If that's your definition of discrediting, fine. For me it's a reason to townread Truffle and something to use against you later if I feel confident that you're mafia. | ||
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On August 30 2016 21:35 disformation wrote: yes, yes it is. the moment I point out that you made a post that is impossible to come from town you run to find the first thing you can find that is remotely shady on me. You wish it was remotely shady. It's the sort of subtle stuff that gives mafias away. "why this read?" "cause of post at 2" "you had read at 1.5" "Yes I townread him for post at 1 but post at 2 made me read him more like that" | ||
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He would say something like "cause Vivax is a stubborn goat that will post scummy shit if it suits his interests but has the grace of being insanely invested at the right times." Another thing for Palmar: On August 29 2016 10:39 geript wrote: This is the most interesting post so far. I'm surprised Palmar doesn't want to lynch Trfel; usually, he'd be more than happy to flip someone he doesn't think is town in hopes to confirm himself. I'm surprised Palmar didn't pick up on this. Suspicion light by geript just passing by, he even gave him a reason to talk about himself and Palmar should love to do that. What Palmar did instead was just try to get him lynched, I don't like that he ignores the stuff adressed at him though. | ||
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It's meta based and you should be the one knowing it best. Answering that question would give us a forecast of whether there's going to be a clinch between you and geript over your own meta, so far he seems to be the most interested guy into figuring out your alignment. Not answering it keeps up a status quo that would suit you if you feel lazy, and that's not so cool. | ||
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On August 29 2016 16:34 Trfel wrote: Tumblewood Tumblewood has made several reads this game but it doesn't feel like he cares about those reads at all. One big example of this is his Palmar read:Tumblewood feels a bit unsure and apathetic about Palmar's scumread of Rels, but still seems to think that Palmar may be mafia. Yet when I asked him for more about this read, he said no. In addition, there is no continuity to his reads. It just doesn't seem like he cares about his reads at all. Thoughts? Also don't understand why he's not joining the TW wagon having posted this earlier. Shouldn't he be like, remembering what he posted here and happy to jump on TW and digging this up again? | ||
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On August 30 2016 00:50 DanelerH wrote: Rels certainly seems suspicious for having ony said "yo", then disappearing, but I don't think we have enough information to lynch him. I'm more interested in Geript right now. Other than the posts in the spoiler below, his strange reads are pretty much all he's said. It would be one thing if they were ordered by person, then gives an alignment after each one, but they're ordered by timestamp, which makes them seem a lot less coherent. As Palmar pointed out, there is also a pretty blatant contradiction in his read on Race Bannon. Because of this, I think I'm going to vote for Geript, as well. + Show Spoiler + On August 29 2016 10:39 geript wrote: This is the most interesting post so far. I'm surprised Palmar doesn't want to lynch Trfel; usually, he'd be more than happy to flip someone he doesn't think is town in hopes to confirm himself. On August 29 2016 10:54 geript wrote: I do, but I'm at work. You'll get them later tonight. ##vote Geript This post reads a lot like the type of post mafia makes to join a wagon. Mostly cause he overemphasizes the importance of Rels saying yo then disappearing. When I made the "case" on Rels I wasn't even that serious, I was just trying to push Palmar's argument forward with a bit of fun. The placement of mentioning that is also odd, don't ask me why, I just think it doesn't belong in a post that's supposed to be his entry ticket to the geript wagon. He mentions it right before finding some own lazy reasons to join the geript wagon that seem overexplanatory when Palmar gave him a reason just a few posts before. You only tend to do that stuff when you're afraid of looking scummy for andwagoning too easily. | ||
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I never get who the hell Dan talks about when he says xym/xe, there is no player going by that name can you for the love of god use the actual names or do you have a chinese autocorrect turned on? | ||
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What irritates me about Trfel is the extremely diplomatic and orderly tone he has but I can't remember that not being his town play. So just something that seems scummy to me but actually isn't. Given that the only options he has are scott and tumble and he chose scott he's going to be my friend this day. The flips will tell. On August 30 2016 23:36 Race Bannon wrote: It's a tone read, and easily mistakable for semantic nitpicking. But there is substance behind it, in terms of everything coming together in a way that exposes Vivax as a dirty little scumfuck. I like this post. If you gonna call me mafia at least call me a dirty little scumfuck, or a conspiring backstabber. Just don't randomly shit on my posts. You are absolutely right that I left Tumble's relationship towards Rels open to interpretation, I thought that if they aren't mafia together, they could still be an internet couple, or business partners. Who knows! | ||
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Switching to TW now would mean that I admit defeat of my own case. And it can not be what must not be. Maybe on D2, but D2 will be full of wagon analysis from D1 that will change all the pieces. I am sure the three scummers in this game have no thread presence, maybe disfo has some if he's mafia, but that's not a matter for D1. If Palmar is one of them he's in full bus mode on TW right now. TW even replied to Koshi's case "true, something something", which seems like he capitulated. Palmar abandoned his push on geript in super lightning mode once it stopped gaining traction which I don't like at all. So maybe there is a bit of swagger to be had still. Palmar, Tumblewood and...scott? Like Palmar didn't even spend a single post on the case on scott, maybe cause he felt like he didn't have to since it's still very much under the radar. But I feel like Palmar is mafia in this game, cause for the fact he's playing there's very little conviction behind his own arguments, and he sucked up to Koshi which is a nono for town Palmar. | ||
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On August 30 2016 23:57 Race Bannon wrote: It would make sense for you to say that, if your case was good. Do you believe your case was good? I'm asking because I believe that scumhunting is about forcing scum into a corner where they have to lie, and hope that I can tell when that happens. Absolutely I believe my case was good, I also believe the arguments on TW are good. I am just too proud to admit it and switch my vote, which won't be necessary cause I'm fairly sure mafia is getting trashed. | ||
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On August 29 2016 06:35 Tumblewood wrote: maybe palmar's mafia On August 29 2016 06:26 scott31337 wrote: Palmar playing on a weekend is extremely suspicious. I just had a little flashback. These posts were so early in the game and so out of line with what everybody else was thinking, that it makes me believe they were soft bussing Palmar like newbs. Geript posted something similar later but concluded with having no clue still, so not quite the same category (phew) | ||
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On August 31 2016 00:17 disformation wrote: Can you fetch me that post? Cause to me it looks more like: On August 30 2016 13:01 Tumblewood wrote: that's a good thought to have, but it was just an idea that popped into my head for no good reason. I think I saw Palmar trying to get cheeky but what does that even mean. I no longer think Palmar is mafia ah tru I am known for being erratic as scum and clear as town | ||
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On August 31 2016 01:37 DanelerH wrote: Vivax, at the beginning of the game, Disformation and Trfel each made a joke about being confirmed Town and Mafia (respectively). For some reason, you felt the need to respond to these. Why is this? I can only talk in retrospect, but I replied to disfo cause he's not conf town for posting first, and I voted Trfel cause he claimed scum. | ||
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On August 31 2016 01:49 DanelerH wrote: But was the latter neccessary? It seems like a bit of an excessive for a response to a joke. Nothing is excessive at the beginning of a game. The other option was doing nothing. | ||
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On August 31 2016 01:47 Palmar wrote: HF has done literally nothing worth noticing. Wrong. He is a strong proponent of the TW lynch, contrary to you even took notice and commented on the case on scott, pressured Danieler, and disagreed with your geript case. Overall he has been doing discussion that looks fruitful to me, while you seem to be very selective about the things you want to talk about or reply to. HF 1 Palmar 0 | ||
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On August 31 2016 01:55 Palmar wrote: No I just ignore most of the things you write. I'm pretty cool with talking about most other things. I hope you're ok with the shrinking fanbase then. | ||
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On August 31 2016 02:10 Tumblewood wrote: thought process: is Palmar doing something cheeky and pushing someone early d1? maybe maybe Palmar's mafia WOWO IT WAS THAT EASY ALL ALONG and in case you haven't noticed I've disowned that read. and it's less important than you make it out to be. I make that kind of comment all the time, sort of. But why did you say it. Even if it was just a maybe. I'm not saying you had Palmar as lock mafia, I'm asking why it even crossed your mind. | ||
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On August 31 2016 02:12 Palmar wrote: That also doesn't add up, because by that logic you should read small posts. The people with the largest amount of posts this game are disfo, koshi, trfel, palmar, holyflare (in that order). You only gave a comment on one of use. and not a single one of those people is in the top 5 list of "words per post". so yeah That'd be me and TT | ||
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Do a words per post on tumble in storm 3 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/505463-tl-mafia-lxxiv-storm-mafia-3 and in this game and shit bricks, thanks. | ||
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On August 31 2016 02:27 Tumblewood wrote: oh my god did my meta change in my last 8 town games? spectacular. it turns out I made less posts that were bigger back in early spring Idk you posted differently in storm, more concise, less reactive. It was one of the games in which I was 1 of the few to TR you correctly. But I'm not going to do a post per post analysis cause apparently we have a tl;dr playerbase in this game. | ||
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On August 31 2016 03:23 DanelerH wrote: This seems like an odd list. I don't recall you ever saying anything about Geript being suspcious. Nope he disagreed with Palmar about geript | ||
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On August 31 2016 07:10 Holyflare wrote: I'm just really confused by Scott tbh, who posted the better than vivax case on him? Clearly nobody. I claim all scott credit with Trfel being close second mvp. Idk why you have a beef with TT btw. Seemed fairly ok with his posting so far, except that I couldn't fathom why he'd come into the game scumreading me, but on the other hand he was the first to spell it out like he did so seems a bit ballsy for him to do it as mafia. | ||
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I'd have been way more happy with a TW lynch cause a lot of people had beef with him and now we're going to spend another day talking that slot to death. | ||
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On August 31 2016 07:28 Holyflare wrote: ego aside (actually no, it's almost entirely ego driven) he's done some weird shit where he basically ignores what I say even though I made a case on the person he voted(????????) TW but sheeped Koshi's one and then said I've done basically nothing while in fact he should have been sharing my reads etc etc then there's his vote on geript that he's stuck to the entire day and won't change it even though it's quite literally terrible and then he called me mafia at one point and fucked off and never followed it up when the last game where I was actually mafia and he was town he decided to push me and I got lynched he's basically a flaccid penis palmar instead of a raging hard on of justice I endorse this case. His "push" on geript is very flaccid. | ||
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On August 31 2016 07:39 geript wrote: I'm off Saturday and sunday, but sunday is my D+D day; I'm not sure if we're playing though b/c labor day weekend. If you don't like what I'm posting, then lynch me or quit bitching about it. It's not that I don't like it, it just feels like you're holding back knowing that it's kinda hard to push through your own opinion, which is perfectly fine, but also lacks some of the "geript" feeling I'm used to where you aggressively make way for your reads. | ||
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On August 31 2016 20:19 Palmar wrote: Like my vote was there for a very simple reason, that I gave immediately. To me it looked as if I was presented with two options a) Kill Rels b) Kill scott Of those two, I chose a). I actually stand by that choice, I don't really think Scott is scum On August 31 2016 20:29 Palmar wrote: My vote on geript wasn't bad, and hell, it turns out it was him who wants to "instalynch" RB for having a bit of a rant about game philosophy. Geript has objectively done things that should always make him mafia, most atrocious was him believing my conclusion about RB then making him scum anyway. And secondly, you know I NEVER rely on associative reads. I don't care if Rels is voting someone who has no chance of flipping day, regardless of that person or Rels' alignment. What I care about is lynching the people who sound and play most like mafia, and given the option, those were Rels and Scott. Even if Rels is voting for geript, what if I'm wrong about geript? What if it's a weird semi-bus for later credit? It's simply stupid to think this way, and I'm surprised you'd think I think this way. When I made the switch, I was unaware of Rels having claimed blue, but that would NOT have changed the outcome. In fact, if I had decided to stay on the off-train (geript), I would probably have switched anyway had I seen the blue claim. Because I do not believe last minute blue claims at all. I ^^ | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Nah the main reason is that he's giving a shit about defending himself and posts a lot of fluff. But would be funny if the quoted stuff was some kind of slip. | ||
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So instead of spending all your energy into talking about yourself, emphasizing how much you love yourself, you will have to listen to me posting analysis of geript's posts and give opinions of them. What I'm offering is that I might help you get geript lynched if I find anything of interest, if you refuse I can just keep calling you full of shit cause you don't want others to contribute to lynching him. | ||
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On August 29 2016 15:05 geript wrote: -snip- Wait, WTF???? This: This is a reason to townread someone? That's a pretty fucking terrible reason to think anyone's town. That said: This is really fucking weird pair to be scumreading. -snip- HF, Koshi and Vivax are probably town. I'll put them there for now at least. I think I'll put Ticktock up there too, but I feel a bit waffly about him. Palmar's in plammar limbo, if for no other reason than he hasn't convince Marv to play. Tumblewood, Race and Disinfo are probably scum; I'm tempted to throw Dane in there too but I kinda think he just doesn't know how to play. Trfel I'll figure out for sure when he makes an actual case, but I'd guess he's just bad town. Scott's sorta weird; like he seems to talk around issues; he's posting a bit more than I remember him usually posting. I sorta kinda like a bit of his stuff, but he avoids actual stuff and just seems to chip in to get other people to talk about stuff and that gives me the heebiejeebies. Rels is uselss as usual. On August 31 2016 05:37 geript wrote: I'm giving meds in between reading, can you give me like a point by point on why you think he's scum. so I can think about it while I filter him. The worst I found is this. Geript goes WTF on TW, then ends up calling TT's reason to TR somebody terrible. No mention of TW at all here. His comment wasn't as WTF as it looks to be, it's rather ignored to jump to what TT said. Yet geript somehow ends up putting TW as mafia. Later asks somebody to give him a summary for why TW is mafia when he's already supposed to have his own. Can't find any besides an earlier mention of minus points for TW refusing to explain Palmar suspicion. Main point still is that geript had TW as scum for unclear reasons earlier, which he completely forgot around EoD when he wasted his vote on Danieler when he could have at least lynched scott for giving him the heebiejeebies. | ||
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On September 01 2016 00:29 disformation wrote: his last stance on tw b4 the lynch was: his last stance on tw was this: I do not like him throwing his vote at dane, when it was 5-4 between scott and tw. I also do not like you misrepresenting him super hard, when he only is on 2 pages on filter and this stuff is super easy to see. Ad geript quote 1: Why is he making everything dependent on what others wrote about TW if he scumread him all by himself earlier?Shouldn't he have a hard on on TW already? Ad geript quote 2: What's telling you that he's talking about TW in a post in which he's clearly talking about TW? | ||
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Ad geript quote 2: What's telling you that he's talking about TW in a post in which he's clearly talking about Danieler. | ||
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On September 01 2016 00:31 Tumblewood wrote: Palmar is acting unusually for him, but that's not necessarily mafia. not quite sure how to feel about it; I'm used to wagon of justice Palmar and all I get this game is normal player Palmar. and the no brakes train to loseville sounds like it fits pretty well with my playstyle. This post is a whole lot of nothing. What did you hope to accomplish posting this? - Palmar weird but doesn't mean anything to you. - Ends with martir-y "boo I suck" sentence. | ||
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On September 01 2016 00:49 disformation wrote: I am not disagreeing with the fact that his vote on dane is super bleh. but you are ignoring some stuff geript posted, aka cherry picking Yes I'm picking stuff that would be an argument for him being scum. If you think there's other stuff that makes him town then feel free to present it, but apparently you're just as clueless as I am about his read on TW, so your argument is nil. It's not cherrypicking when I look for scummy stuff in people's filters. What are you doing disfo? | ||
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Do you see any other reason for me posting the most at night looking outside of the scumreads I claimed to have earlier other than to look at stuff from different angles? All I could do is rehash how scott is mafia (which btw I still think is likely), pointing out how his wagon was clearly not one of the wagons mafia wanted to pursue, a flipped townie being on it further cementing this version. Yet I'm here diving geript's filter. Then you appear, tell me that it's cherrypicking and misrepresenting, but clearly have no better argument on reading geript, make a mistake in the process (mistaking danieler for TW), admit that geript's read on TW needs clarification, proving all your points to be wrong. Prompted to explain why geript is town (you think I'm misrepresenting him right?) you just repeat how I'm mafia and run away with the tail between your legs and an excuse to not further engage in discussion and explain things. Maybe you are mafia after all. | ||
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Tell Palmar about it too while you're at it, he's the guy he wants to lynch, and whom you are calling an easy mislynch for no reason. | ||
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I can't look for easy mislynches on someone who you claimed isn't necessarily a mislynch. Moral of the story: You're full of shit disfo | ||
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Let's just hope he's not actually cop. | ||
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My money is on the claim being fake anyways. | ||
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Boring, afk Koshi, bad Koshi. I was thinking about trying to summon you. | ||
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On September 01 2016 02:13 Koshi wrote: I have been here the entire day. Your take on solving the game? I'm genuinely interested. Or are you saving it for post-night | ||
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On September 01 2016 09:22 Holyflare wrote: Genuinely interested in this vivax please enlighten me. Also little things like this throw me off. Maybe it's just me but I never pay attention to how many extra lynches we have. Also Scott now is the time, my body is ready, enlighten us with your spreadsheet plz. It's more like I talked towards Palmar about it cause he never replies to what I write. For which I will gladly lynch him given the chance (besides that I think he's mafia). My stance on geript is that I found inconsistencies, but so did I about scott and sometimes townies are inconsistent too. I've pushed enough people over an incosistency to watch them flip town to my dismay. For scott I posted an entire wall of text that seems to me like textbook mafia play comparing him to an actual mafia, for geript I didn't. I simply found the part that looked like it didn't make sense to me. For scott I have a much more confident opinion cause I feel like I didn't find a single argument, but savoured his entire filter enough to let me believe he's mafia. I'm still in the TW/Palmar/scott world, where geript MIGHT be mafia instead of Palmar. But I'm not going anywhere before we lynch scott. | ||
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On September 01 2016 09:32 Trfel wrote: The thing I really don't like about Koshi, is why is he so confident about scott31337 being town? I looked through Koshi's filter, and I didn't see any reasons that he gave that scott31337 is town. Koshi said that he built a town case on scott31337, so I missed it (please link?), but I'm not seeing anything. I also saw where Koshi said that he doesn't think that scott31337 is mafia but he really could be. Since then, scott31337 has not done anything worth townreading him for (in my opinion anyway), but Koshi's become far more confident in scott31337 being town, for seemingly no reason. If anything, the vote count analysis makes scott31337 look scummier IMO, not townier. So this really confuses me. You're just the hero I deserved. The shitty part about this game is that if you start making inquiries about people who suspect you, they start calling you a discreditor or dismiss all you write as omgus (disfo being the best example). I even admit to suspecting people who throw scum at me almost instinctively, which is why my play is the weakest when a lot of people suspect me. It just creates too many distractions for me to handle. Sure I could just not give a fuck and do it anyway but I've learned that it mostly hurts my already not very popular opinions. So while I do my scott thing you do this Koshi thing and we're gucci. Hope you enjoyed this post of self-awareness. Scum surely can learn something from it when it comes to tilting me. | ||
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1. He was afraid of looking badly switching to Rels. 2. Being mafia with tumble, he was hoping on harvesting some cred later after TW would flip. "oh look hes the only guy on mafia at EoD" Either way, scott is a top tier lynch. | ||
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He votes scott briefly right after townreading him and geript (to save himself), and when EVERYONE ELSE already switched to Rels, he switches with them. Who does he switch with? With his scumreads Koshi and HF from that time. It's such a bad looking play that I'd have vigged him given the chance but since it wasn't really a standard situation I don't feel like I can be very confident using this. On September 01 2016 09:57 Holyflare wrote: Lol why do you think i force people to call me town? It's so I can concentrate and not get distracted. Hence mafia palmar trying to tilt me into an argument to fit his "meta" crap post he posted earlier about me. Basically the people that are mafia this game are the ones that are just calling me mafia-ish with no real conviction and leaving the door open for later (ticktock) and the guy with no real conviction to lynch anyone and calls me mafia for what reason exactly? which is not normal (palmar) +probably scott but maybe not but probably Idk geript had a point when he said that it looks like TT is having fun playing the game. And I don't quite see him being the first person to call me mafia. If you really only go by that logic you're admitting to being fully omgus driven. | ||
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Koshi even spelled it out pretty well, why Palmar is mafia. Additionally, the soft bus from TW and scott and the fact that Palmar seems to ignore everything they do even though he voted TW earlier (and it was too late for it to be a Palmar troll-vote) seals the deal for me. With this I think I'll peace out, every time I'm here I'm feeling like I'm talking to a wall with exception of HF. In the earlier days threads resonated like crazy *mumble mumble* | ||
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Pondering how to start off productively into this new day. 1. Koshi scumreading me irritates me but I don't think that summing up reason why I'm not scum will help much here. He's as much a granite head as I am. 2. Scott found a reason to TR me for one post and blames me for the cop playing badly. His summary of reasons for me being mafia that doesn't just involve one post would be useful. His spreadsheet too, it seems to be a well kept secret. 3. I believe geript is busy AF. I also agree with him pointing out that we tend to bash heads as town, as I pointed out D1. I'm perfectly happy with this being one of the games where we don't. BUT, the thing I pointed out from the night is something he apparently missed and I'd like that answered. It seems so far back that by now this wouldn't be my only strategy to read him, I can probably go for a read encompassing larger portions of his filter. One thing at a time, tho. @ GERIPT + Show Spoiler + On September 01 2016 00:23 Vivax wrote: The worst I found is this. Geript goes WTF on TW, then ends up calling TT's reason to TR somebody terrible. No mention of TW at all here. His comment wasn't as WTF as it looks to be, it's rather ignored to jump to what TT said. Yet geript somehow ends up putting TW as mafia. Later asks somebody to give him a summary for why TW is mafia when he's already supposed to have his own. Can't find any besides an earlier mention of minus points for TW refusing to explain Palmar suspicion. Main point still is that geript had TW as scum for unclear reasons earlier, which he completely forgot around EoD when he wasted his vote on Danieler when he could have at least lynched scott for giving him the heebiejeebies. 4. Good time to redive scott and draw comparisons to other scummers. 5. Tumble dropped off massively, looks worse by the hour activity wise, and his night post was just terrible. 6. Palmar + TW wagons are tempting but why does it always have to be the guys I didn't write a massive case on? BLergh. Off to reading. | ||
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In comparison this game he started in a very very awful manner. His questions at the beginning of this game are just scummy as shit, as I pointed out earlier. They lack direction, they leave everything open to interpretation, they don't actually seem to want an answer back. It's literally just mindless question spam at the beginning to look like he's contributing, with the "Palmar is extremely suspicious" BS post. Then his post where he checks Rels meta "just for fun" that ends up concluding that mafia Rels talks about something that doesn't give information but yet he concludes that Palmar's case could be a good idea when he's literally stating that Rels as mafia wouldn't post anything at all. Read my D1 case jesus. I can go on and on and on about scott but I don't trust this town enough to even want to read it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/508622-newbie-mafia-xxi?user=scott31337&view=all http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/511961-newbie-student-mafia-xxii?user=scott31337&view=all His 2 town games, for you but especially for me when I want to take a look at them again. Reminder that his game start is super scummy this game, but not solely based on these. On August 29 2016 06:08 scott31337 wrote: Woohoo! Let's do this. Hmmmm- would Trfel be this bold? Or a big bag of WIFOM? On August 29 2016 06:46 scott31337 wrote: So just for fun, I checked Rel's two last games as Mafia that are in the database -http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=494436&user=Rels&view=all http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=494873&user=Rels&view=all So one was Palmar's witch game where he comes in and starts talking about game setup crap for an entrance (well can't really do that here) and the other he starts just talking shit Rels doesn't enter games with any information, he usually just talks. This could be a good idea. On August 29 2016 07:10 scott31337 wrote: This post doesn't make any sense. It's in the OP. Did you roll mafia again? | ||
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On August 31 2016 03:12 scott31337 wrote: Townie: Palmar Trfel Koshi Disformation Wouldn't Lynch today: Danelerh Holyflare Race Bannon Stil unsure: TicTock WTF: Vivax Would lynch: Tumblewood Rels Geript You might also notice he was one of the two calling Palmar weird and suspicious for posting on a weekend but ends up putting him in the townie category in his list here. At the very least we should expect a null Palmar here. Calling BS on this one there is no explanation for scott townreading Palmar when his entire earlier posts pointed to the contrary. | ||
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On September 01 2016 23:49 Tumblewood wrote: welp I've been blindsided by extreme busyness thankfully the new posts are slim, but I probably won't be able to catch up till the second half of D2 was the Hf CC on disfo real or just a figment of my imagination? Very real, what is it to you? | ||
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On September 02 2016 00:15 Holyflare wrote: How come you want palmar over your wagon of purity and definitely scott is mafia wagon of justice vivax? Given the choice I will lynch scott first, but right now we have better chances of getting a wagon going if we start voting Palmar. Everything I write on scott gets ignored anyway | ||
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On September 02 2016 00:39 DanelerH wrote: I have no qualms with lynching Palmar, however I thought I would look into some other people that are currently under suspicion. One of these people is Tictock. In xyr filter, I found something very interesting: + Show Spoiler + On August 29 2016 23:58 Tictock wrote: That was kinda fun, and I feel like it might be time for one of these. Town: Palmar - + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/wuFfOtI.jpg) Trfel - + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Z5RF49W.jpg) disformation - + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/amPqJz9.jpg) Possibly Town: Tumblewood - + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/8NB8iwA.gif) DanelerH - + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ASLNuJb.jpg) scott31337 - + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ds4FbOS.jpg) No offense Scott... Race Bannon: Race Bannon - + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/9zNmFKi.png) Null: Koshi - + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/KzR44Rn.png) Holyflare - + Show Spoiler + I had a hard time with this one, take it with a fair bit of salt. Geript - + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/9BM8F5z.jpg) Rels - + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/7ZDzspE.gif) Scum lean: Vivax - + Show Spoiler + Seems Trfel is right, I am being too nice and trusting this game. Notice how Rels is listed under "Null," but Vivax is listed under "Scum lean." The reason why this is odd is because it doesn't match with Tictock's vote: + Show Spoiler + On August 29 2016 08:45 Tictock wrote: Hey, that was my plan! Now I feel like I should come up with something more original... but thankfully I'm pretty lazy. For now I think I'll add my weight to the Rels train kus a little pressure on him sounds like a good way to start the game. Still sus of Vivax too, he is playing to a higher degree than last I saw of him as scum but his contributions feel forced and possibly have agenda behind them. Pretty sure Trfel and Dis are both town. That is all. ## Vote: Rels If you look at the timestamps in each of these, you'll see that the Rels vote was on before being suspicious of Vivax. Yes, Tictock was an early supporter of the Rels lynch, but it's strange that xe never changed the vote to Vivax. You can probably find that sort of argument for half the game. Did I truly believe Rels was mafia when I voted for him? No, so I should be but this game is about getting situations going that people have to react to, and which the game is failing miserably to do. Either the players are afk or they're simply soloplaying like HF pointed out. TT might as well have voted Rels to just get the wagon going which was a pretty admirable thing to do in this context. So no, it's not scummy. Vote Palmar if you want to help town. And give us a read on scott/read my posts pls. | ||
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On September 02 2016 02:06 DanelerH wrote: I'm fairly suspicious of Scott. In addition to the posts Vivax pointed out here, I still find the read on Geript strange: + Show Spoiler + On August 31 2016 03:12 scott31337 wrote: Townie: Palmar Trfel Koshi Disformation Wouldn't Lynch today: Danelerh Holyflare Race Bannon Stil unsure: TicTock WTF: Vivax Would lynch: Tumblewood Rels Geript One of the strange things about this is Scott had previously stated that xe disagreed with the Geript case: + Show Spoiler + On August 30 2016 05:47 scott31337 wrote: I wasn't a fan of this either - I didn't like the geript case all that much to be honest. He seems a bit scared to post, you know what I mean? I'm down for lynching Tumble as well - Rels WTF you at?!? Granted, Scott clarified it, but it's still strange that xe didn't say anything about Geript between the above two posts: + Show Spoiler + On August 31 2016 04:03 scott31337 wrote: It has to do with this posting I read yesterday - he did his "scroll through and point out" thing - but I have no idea where he stands of who he wants to lynch. I don't want to quote everything, but there's three townreads (HF, vivax, Koshi) and he likes your read progression - does he Scumread RB? Like I have no clue besides a few town reads where he stands. He'd be at the bottom of the three I listed. What it doesn't clear up, though, is that xe never said anything about Tumblewood being suspicious, either (something that Trfel mentioned earlier). In fact, I may just be missing it, but I can't seem to find anything about Scott saying Tumblewood is suspicious. The last thing about Scott is the spreadsheet. More specifically, what happened when xe was asked for it. Scott was asked to post the spreadsheet xe has for this game (which xe mentioned xe has), but hasn't even acknowledged request, depsite having been online afterwards. Trfel's doesn't mention anything about scott's suspicion of TW that you're linking to, and why is it relevant? Did you see scott voting TW without ever talking about him? Elaborate please. | ||
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On September 02 2016 06:14 Palmar wrote: I have made my case. I fine with this house burning down around me. Which is 1 of the reasons you aren't town | ||
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On September 02 2016 20:08 Koshi wrote: wikipedia says there are 1826 billionaires in the world. And I just have shaken ones hand and had dinner with him. Granted. I am just a simple accountant in a "small" firm in his worldwide imperium but hey, kinda fun. You will never wash your hand again | ||
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On September 02 2016 13:59 geript wrote: Like unless I'm the only town not voting, I actually expect that most of us are town. TT/TW is a quite possible team. I don't have any good reason for thinking Palmar's town, but I just can't vote for him. He's doing stuff that's way outside of what I usually see even from him. He's not one to give up after trying as scum; but he will say "fuck this game" as town. I really don't know what direction I want to go this game, but I know what direction I don't want to go. I'm assuming that Palmar (or me) will probably be lynched today (me for this post itself), but I really don't care. If Palmar flips scum then fuck it I'll just sheep vote and admit to playing terrible. I'm not seeing it. Game feels to dead to have the scum team entirely inactive (or mostly so) now or at any time. I'm voting feels this game. I think it's Vivax/Dane +1. The third is IDK, almost anyone but I'm guessing one of TT/TW. Part of it is the Vivax/Disinfo bs that happened last night. Part of it is that Vivax is far less active than it feels like he is. Part of it is the Artanis read that he's missed making cases on a variety of people and not because they've already died. Part of it is that his cases he doesn't even terribly hold onto; it's like he could give no fucks about pushing and forwarding his own shit in a game with 3 people who (Palmar, HF, Koshi) who he generally in some way seeks the approval of. Dane because he's the most unnewbie newbie I've ever seen. He's forceful without being confident. He gives polarized reads that go nowhere and lacks uncertainty about anything. I don't feel like I can make a compelling argument for you guys to join me. But everyone else who's town knows that this game feels wrong somehow. Despite there being cases, points aren't really being discussed. It's almost like "Who's Line" where everything's made up and the points don't matter. But this is a Star Wars game. Search your feelings. I don't think we're on the right track; you don't think we're on the right track. Goddamn this post sure I feel misrepresented as fuck. How do my reads not go anywhere did you even read how the Palmar wagon started today? I was asking people to get on Palmar (cause guess what, scott remains in the limbo for 90 % of the game like D1). What about the disfo stuff? How am I not the most active player with HF? How am I not giving fucks about pushing and forwarding when it's what I've been doing all of D2? What is this shit you're writing up here geript? | ||
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Palmar even reads and replies to my posts now, what has happened, I wonder. Scott still didn't post his famous spreadsheet that at the very least convinced Koshi (iirc) to TR him, yet nobody wants to lynch him besides my heroic minority, must be cuz he's town, right, right? Anyway officially around starting from now. Palmar trying to suck up to me after being smugfaced all game long is acknowledged. His scott read is lazy and bad. And he plays WoW? Really? Will try to make future posts sound less cocky and possibly offensive, but seriously fuck this game. | ||
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On September 03 2016 01:19 Trfel wrote: Caught up with the thread. I really don't know what to do Part of me wants to lynch Holyflare because I'm being bad and can't find mafia, part of me wants to say that my townread on scott31337 was bad believe in the spreadsheet thing.... Or maybe just stick with Palmar. I guess just stick with Palmar. Because of that one Holyflare post where Palmar can be town and afk, but he can't be town with a scumread on Holyflare and afk. Need to head out now but I'll be back later. Remember the wagon on scott yesterday? Imo the purest wagon we had all game long. Super low traction on that one and I suspect only townies being on it. But you guys don't want to lynch scott for which I'll bitch post game. | ||
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On September 03 2016 01:54 Koshi wrote: I think we should lynch TW. Reasons stated previously. Sure, start marketing that lynch. I worked to help get the Palmar wagon up, now you work to get yours up. If you manage to get a wagon going on scott, I'll instaswitch. If it's on tumble, I'll think about it. Reminder that probably only town voted scott D1 while mafia was switching around Rels/geript/TW (unless you think Daneler and Trfel are mafia?) | ||
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On September 03 2016 03:42 geript wrote: If rather lynch vivax or Dane. No you need to make a call on Palmar and stop pussyfooting around his alignment. | ||
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On September 03 2016 00:03 Palmar wrote: geript: Once again, he's almost lock mafia. His posting has been repeatedly proven to be out of touch with his own reality, and he's basically happy to sit back and let things happen. This description fits like a glove on Palmar as well. D1 he was happy to follow the Rels shenannies not caring much that it was HF leading them. This day he hasn't been doing much besides posting the list this is from without trying to direct town to anyone in particular. Why am I thinking this but not geript whom he's pushing with this? | ||
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On September 03 2016 03:50 Holyflare wrote: How the fuck can people not be voting scott? Jesus christ. The. Spreadsheet. Isn't. Real. We argue cause we care. This is the time to get committment out of people and you should know it. The next key thing to do is to confront the vote wasters about their votes to realize where the 3 mafia want to place themselves. Anyone wasting their vote without posting cases on the person they're voting will be subject to shenannies. | ||
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Lol tmi do you think he's preferring to bus instead of lynching you in the event you're town? Anyway I've erased all my assumptions and am currently doing a reread of the game. I have 2 hours to be awesome. And yes Palmar you're terrible let's hope you're not town. You know the saying, if you get lynched it's on you. @ Koshi I'm currently digging through Trfels database games to compare his scumclaim here to one he did earlier.. when he was town. Cuz it does puzzle me that he jumped right into serious mode, when I look at it again. I'm on a shitty 400 € notebook running linux that needs 1 minute to refresh a page thanks to all these shitty ads overloading it with information, so if you want to help it would be appreciated. | ||
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On March 19 2015 08:03 Trfel wrote: ![[image loading]](http://fullyillustrated.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/fully-illustrated-devil.jpg) There are people in this town who seek to destroy your hopes and dreams. By day, they manipulate and coerce you into doing their bidding. By night, they silently approach your homes and then kill you without mercy. Only a cruel, stone-cold, heartless person could live in this manner. We are the mafia. You cannot win. If you have a power role, please state it here, and you might be killed less painfully. On March 19 2015 08:04 Trfel wrote: Wow, you guys are fast..... I never miss the first post when I actually try for it. I guess I've got to step up my game. On March 19 2015 08:14 Trfel wrote: Palmar, I was at band practice for three hours before the start of the game. I had five minutes to type that up. Give me a break. On March 19 2015 08:51 Trfel wrote: Rsoultin is probably town. On March 19 2015 08:58 Trfel wrote: Well, I already claimed mafia, so I'm probably going to lurk for a while. I'll come back when you guys get on the right track to make sure I can get townies lynched. Have fun. Compared to the followup here: On August 29 2016 05:59 Trfel wrote: Beentheredonethat is the worst cohost on TL. I didn't think he would be cruel enough to make me mafia two games in a row On August 29 2016 06:08 Trfel wrote: Disformation, I find it very odd that you felt the need to justify your earlier post after Vivax made an obviously joking statement. Please explain? Reads entirely different! In Carol he kept the trolling up, here he jumped immediately into a bit of an awkward reading questioning of disfo after I voted him for the mafia claim. Opinions? Might be indicative of something but it's entirely meta based so I don't feel like making a call right now. | ||
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On August 29 2016 06:21 Tumblewood wrote: gonna jump on the "talk about trfel" ship doesn't make a whole lot of sense that trfel would jokingly claim scum and then shift right into serious mode. well, maybe a little. I still don't like it. vivax is also probably town for getting pissed at that. Cause he doesn't bring up the argument later on. He never actually scumreads Trfel for it. The only slightly indicative post for him scumreading Trfel later on is this one. Where it seems like he "forgot" to scumread Trfel then was like " oh shit I forgot to include my earlier suspect". On August 30 2016 03:08 Tumblewood wrote: yes. compared to newbie xxi, in which he is much more attack-y. definitely seeing more similarity to his scum meta and his town meta. got 'em boys next target: palmar or holyflare On August 30 2016 03:11 Tumblewood wrote: actually next target trfel. or maybe I can save myself some time by asking whether trfel constantly asks "X, what do you think of Y?" as town/scum Additionally, the post where he calls out Trfel for shifting into serious mode reads like TMI a lot. Why? Cause he immediately assumed that the I was getting pissed at Trfel doing the shift, not at Trfel claiming scum, and used it as a reason to TR me when it actually wasn't a valid one. | ||
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His attention shift from Trfel to Rels which I noticed D1 makes perfect sense thinking of it now, just in reverse as I originally thought. He wasn't more interested into talking about Rels cause Rels was mafia with him, but cause he wanted attention to shift away from Trfel. He noticed his scumbuddy Trfel was doing scummy shit. Called it out first thanks to TMI, but as soon as Palmar was starting to crap on Rels for his entrance, he took the chance to not talk about Trfel whom he just called out for doing scummy shit. Maybe I'm just tunneled but the theory sounds really sexy. | ||
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On August 29 2016 14:45 geript wrote: I actually like this post. I don't agree with it, but there's thought behind it. I like Trfel picking up on this post. I like picking up on the Vivax post and bringing it back up. Why is he liking both posts from Trfel and TT even though their relation to my post is completely different? Trfel only asks questions about it, TT calls me scum for it. It's like geript has no own opinion on my post at all, he should at least know if he's agreeing or disagreeing with TT, and normally he should be disagreeing cause he liked my observation. Why does he keep throwing suspicion at Trfel in these long posts but never seems to care about Trfel? You will also notice how geript opens with having Trfel as scum (it appears that way) and while he heads down writing his post finding this one thing above as the only reason to possibly think Trfel is town, he more and more keeps putting him as bad town. But why, actually? He starts his post mentioning stuff that looks mafia about Trfel, why does he have to conclude he's bad town and talk so much about it every time in his initial posts. And by now Trfel for him is like forgotten, it should be one of the guys he's looking for in the + 1 after me and Daneler. | ||
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TWs flip will hopefully prove me right. | ||
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On August 29 2016 06:21 Tumblewood wrote: gonna jump on the "talk about trfel" ship doesn't make a whole lot of sense that trfel would jokingly claim scum and then shift right into serious mode. well, maybe a little. I still don't like it. vivax is also probably town for getting pissed at that. On August 30 2016 09:39 Tumblewood wrote: town vivax daneler also probably town hf scummy tt scott? null/don't care yet most people Then this post. What happened to Trfel in between that you forgot about him after making a point that, looking back, was probably excellent? | ||
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On September 03 2016 05:19 Tumblewood wrote: "excellent" I have learned my lesson on trying to read people based on their first ten posts. Even after I have shown you how he claimed scum in a game where he was town and proceeded in an entirely different manner in his followup posts? | ||
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On September 03 2016 05:19 Tumblewood wrote: "excellent" I have learned my lesson on trying to read people based on their first ten posts. And this post is so bad it's like midgame you decided that all you thought earlier was just plain wrong cause early? This doesn't happen,period. Just an excuse for your Trfel read getting buried cause it was inconvenient for you. You should have had a read on Trfel back then, what happened to it? | ||
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On August 29 2016 15:05 geript wrote: I guess there's a logic to this, but it really doesn't add up. I really don't get why scott chooses this to take the banner up on. It's like random and crappy. Wait, WTF???? This: This is a reason to townread someone? That's a pretty fucking terrible reason to think anyone's town. That said: This is really fucking weird pair to be scumreading. This dude is probably just not good at mafia. Overall: HF, Koshi and Vivax are probably town. I'll put them there for now at least. I think I'll put Ticktock up there too, but I feel a bit waffly about him. Palmar's in plammar limbo, if for no other reason than he hasn't convince Marv to play. Tumblewood, Race and Disinfo are probably scum; I'm tempted to throw Dane in there too but I kinda think he just doesn't know how to play. Trfel I'll figure out for sure when he makes an actual case, but I'd guess he's just bad town. Scott's sorta weird; like he seems to talk around issues; he's posting a bit more than I remember him usually posting. I sorta kinda like a bit of his stuff, but he avoids actual stuff and just seems to chip in to get other people to talk about stuff and that gives me the heebiejeebies. Rels is uselss as usual. On August 31 2016 05:24 geript wrote: I've been thinking about Palmar a lot while doing other things. I'm really tempted to case him but then when I organize my thoughts it comes down to little stuff that I don't like. I just don't feel in any way confident about reading him. Like the best reasons to call him scum is basically how differently he reads me in comparison to you and Koshi and his not wanting to lynch Trfel to potentially confirm himself as town. The first is ok, the second is like a Palmar wifom game. TBH, I'm most interested in lynching Dane right now. I don't hate the TW stuff, but it doesn't make me very hard. You didn't cast a single vote on TW after having him as scum in your earlier posts. Later on he even stopped making you hard. But you sure look like you were dodging his wagon purely based on your votes. Do you have an explanation for this? | ||
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Nobody hates you HF, you're just drunk. | ||
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Kinda want game to end already. My reads are all wonky now that 1 piece was wrong. Can't deal with low volume towns. | ||
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On August 29 2016 08:18 Koshi wrote: Now that Palmar plays I will just let him do his thing and lynch him D3 if we don't lynch mafia. eztactics and 100% foolproof. Yes pls. lurking. Nice selfie HF legit 19th century beard you just don't look as drunk as I expected. You are acknowledged. I still don't think TT is mafia just for voting with you. | ||
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On September 06 2016 06:05 Palmar wrote: Man HF, we should've lynched Trfel, sorry I'm bad. Palmar scott TT right? Couldn't fail to notice your and tts votes saving scott while I was puzzling in obs. | ||
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On September 06 2016 06:17 geript wrote: I'm never trusting my reads on any of those 3 again. I'm just going to tunnel the hell out of them so that they can hate the game as much as I hated this one. Bruh you need to play on holidays you have more potential than that. We could have been a good team this game, for a change. @ disfo "what are you doing" referred to mostly you trying to argue I was mafia when I thought it was obvious it wasn't the case, so it was veiled criticism of you pushing me, not of your overall play. My scum play is really weak, I felt sort of improved in my last scum game but still, it lacks flexibility and activity. Go read a few of my scum games when you don't feel sure about me. @ Damdred Thx for the <3 friend, we southerners need to stick together @ game in general In games like these I really regret games not being more IML. Might host/cohost one myself. Only problem is people posting after hammers which is hard to mod, but it really makes the game more interesting and fast. @ Host Really appreciate the effort going into hosting here., it was super smooth. I'm just going to be honest, I don't read all of the flavour you write, but I hope you had fun writing it up. | ||
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On September 07 2016 03:12 Koshi wrote: Victory dinner while watching Narcos season 2. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.gyazo.com/9bef86ac542f52f04a57f5a520571134.jpg) So good. PS: it's this but my picture taking skills are low + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.onskookboek.be/mosselen-koken-in-bier.jpg) Yummy. Cooked in white wine french style? | ||
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