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On August 25 2016 13:08 DanelerH wrote:
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Would anyone happen to have any Day 1 advice? I'm rather new to the game and the games I've played have mostly consisted of newer players where the general consensus is to just skip Day 1. I disagree with this and want to learn more about what can be done. Here's my thoughts on Day 1. Though I haven't talked to anyone about this, so you should probably just ignore me 
To me, in some ways, making reads in mafia feels sort of like a pyramid. At the beginning, you have basically no information to work with, so your reads are terrible. As the game progresses, you have more and more information to work with, and as a result you reads become far more accurate. Basically, while at the end of the game, you might have cases that could fill a bookshelf (I don't recommend doing this), but at the start of the game all you might have is a read on someone based on which smiley they used at the end of their sentence 
The point is that yes, reads at the start of the game may not be very good. Maybe I'm scumreading someone based on their smiley choice (which granted is almost certainly pointless). But the important thing is that making the read is at least a read, rather than just joking about the weather. Then someone makes a read on me based on the read that I made. Sure, my read was basically a shot in the dark, but their read isn't based on a smiley, it's based on my read. So it's a bit more substantial. Then you can make a read on them based on that, etc. Even though you start out with nothing to work with, you get deeper and deeper reads. As there starts to be more thread direction and suspicion starts being pushed onto different people, you can start to get a much better idea of who is actually mafia.
This doesn't apply as much to players who use "tone reads", looking at specific phrasing and emotion more to make reads. Tone reads can be significantly more effective early on, since tone still exists even in posts that are unrelated to the game (even if a bit more unreliable, depending).
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Scott, play? I'll play if you play. And if this starts soon.
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On August 26 2016 04:22 beentheredonethat wrote:
How did I not see this Oo. Not sure if Templar trolled me for the edit. Thank you for pointing it out, I corrected it. It was there originally
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Beentheredonethat is the worst cohost on TL.
I didn't think he would be cruel enough to make me mafia two games in a row 
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Disformation, where does your name come from? If I remember correctly, it's not just a misspelling of "disinformation", right?
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Disformation, I find it very odd that you felt the need to justify your earlier post after Vivax made an obviously joking statement. Please explain?
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On August 29 2016 06:10 disformation wrote:
the thing that super confuses me about trfel:
his last game was palmars huge themed park. he was scum there alright, but btdt wasnt hosting in any fashion that game. and this game he is the main host not co-host?
Is this supposed to be some kind of joke and I am missing something here? Yes, I mis-typed, I meant to say "host" instead of "cohost". Doesn't change the fact that beentheredonethat is evil. His involvement (or lack thereof) with hosting the Palmar game has nothing to do with it.
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On August 29 2016 06:11 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 06:08 Trfel wrote:Disformation, I find it very odd that you felt the need to justify your earlier post after Vivax made an obviously joking statement. Please explain? Vivax was making a joke? Okay, joke was probably not the best word. Try "light-hearted comment" instead.
1. You posted at the start of the game that you were confirmed town. I am assuming here (correct me if I am wrong) that the reason that you are (supposedly) confirmed town is that you made the first post. I am also assuming (again, correct me if I am wrong) that everyone is aware that being confirmed town by virtue of having the first post in the game is a joke.
2. Vivax points out that you are not in fact confirmed town (and again, we're assuming that this is in fact a true statement).
3. You respond to Vivax here.
I'm interested in why you responded in the post mentioned in (3) above.
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On August 29 2016 06:18 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 06:12 Trfel wrote:On August 29 2016 06:10 disformation wrote:
the thing that super confuses me about trfel:
his last game was palmars huge themed park. he was scum there alright, but btdt wasnt hosting in any fashion that game. and this game he is the main host not co-host?
Is this supposed to be some kind of joke and I am missing something here? Yes, I mis-typed, I meant to say "host" instead of "cohost". Doesn't change the fact that beentheredonethat is evil. His involvement (or lack thereof) with hosting the Palmar game has nothing to do with it. Ah I think I understand now. You are not saying he is evil for having you rolled as scum two games in a row, but he is evil for having you rolled scum this game, after you already were scum in your last game? correct? Correct 
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On August 29 2016 06:20 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 06:18 Trfel wrote:On August 29 2016 06:11 disformation wrote:On August 29 2016 06:08 Trfel wrote:Disformation, I find it very odd that you felt the need to justify your earlier post after Vivax made an obviously joking statement. Please explain? Vivax was making a joke? Okay, joke was probably not the best word. Try "light-hearted comment" instead. 1. You posted at the start of the game that you were confirmed town. I am assuming here (correct me if I am wrong) that the reason that you are (supposedly) confirmed town is that you made the first post. I am also assuming (again, correct me if I am wrong) that everyone is aware that being confirmed town by virtue of having the first post in the game is a joke. 2. Vivax points out that you are not in fact confirmed town (and again, we're assuming that this is in fact a true statement). 3. You respond to Vivax here. I'm interested in why you responded in the post mentioned in (3) above. yes yes yes why not? So the reason you posted that is just because you feel that there's no reason not to?
Because to me, it seems like not only a pointless statement, but also averting attention by saying "Look, I did the same thing that someone else did! That's the explanation!" instead of speaking for yourself. It feels a bit out of place. Am I missing something?
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On August 29 2016 06:26 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 06:23 Trfel wrote:On August 29 2016 06:20 disformation wrote:On August 29 2016 06:18 Trfel wrote:On August 29 2016 06:11 disformation wrote:On August 29 2016 06:08 Trfel wrote:Disformation, I find it very odd that you felt the need to justify your earlier post after Vivax made an obviously joking statement. Please explain? Vivax was making a joke? Okay, joke was probably not the best word. Try "light-hearted comment" instead. 1. You posted at the start of the game that you were confirmed town. I am assuming here (correct me if I am wrong) that the reason that you are (supposedly) confirmed town is that you made the first post. I am also assuming (again, correct me if I am wrong) that everyone is aware that being confirmed town by virtue of having the first post in the game is a joke. 2. Vivax points out that you are not in fact confirmed town (and again, we're assuming that this is in fact a true statement). 3. You respond to Vivax here. I'm interested in why you responded in the post mentioned in (3) above. yes yes yes why not? So the reason you posted that is just because you feel that there's no reason not to? Because to me, it seems like not only a pointless statement, but also averting attention by saying "Look, I did the same thing that someone else did! That's the explanation!" instead of speaking for yourself. It feels a bit out of place. Am I missing something? averting attention away from what? Short answer: yourself
+ Show Spoiler [Long Answer] +It's one thing to say, "here are my thoughts". It's another to say, "here are someone else's thoughts, shown over here, and so I'm doing the same thing". This is made much greater in a game of mafia, because even though people don't know your alignment, they know that Damdred was town in that game and did it as town, so therefore the actions that you took are sensible for town.
Instead of simply ignoring it (which is perfectly valid) or providing an explanation that is your own words, and your own ideas, instead of someone else's.
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On August 29 2016 06:35 Tumblewood wrote:
maybe palmar's mafia Please explain?
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Oh boy, disformation, I can't wait to see how you react if/when I actually push you
For you less meta-inclined people, Palmar and Vivax are very likely town ^^
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On August 29 2016 06:42 Vivax wrote:
Tumble's attention shift from Trfel along with my post that went undiscussed (maybe I'm just boring or post too much stuff to reply to in detail?) to Rels being accused by Palmar is kinda interesting. It's like the Rels issue is more important for him than the Trfel one without visible reasoning. Sorry Vivax, I'm still trying to figure this out. I'm not quite getting what you're saying.
You're saying that if Tumblewood was actually interested in my alignment, and actually wanted to talk about me, then he would have discussed your post about me instead of just talking about Palmar's read on Rels? Or am I wrong?
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On August 29 2016 06:47 disformation wrote:
Yes Vivax much town. wow. Do you not agree about Palmar?
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On August 29 2016 06:55 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 06:49 Trfel wrote:On August 29 2016 06:42 Vivax wrote:
Tumble's attention shift from Trfel along with my post that went undiscussed (maybe I'm just boring or post too much stuff to reply to in detail?) to Rels being accused by Palmar is kinda interesting. It's like the Rels issue is more important for him than the Trfel one without visible reasoning. Sorry Vivax, I'm still trying to figure this out. I'm not quite getting what you're saying. You're saying that if Tumblewood was actually interested in my alignment, and actually wanted to talk about me, then he would have discussed your post about me instead of just talking about Palmar's read on Rels? Or am I wrong? More or less. I think he was way more drawn to the Rels issue than to yours which he initially mentioned. But why would he? Does he just have fun antagonizing Palmar? Is he more protective of Rels for other reasons? Okay, think I get what you're saying. Tumblewood, I'd appreciate an explanation
On August 29 2016 06:53 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 06:50 scott31337 wrote:On August 29 2016 06:44 disformation wrote:
Eh, what do you think of Trfel?
Am I going full OMGUS on a town here, cause he is pushing me over nothing, or is he scum pushing me over nothing?
Would actually like some pressure on Rels, so he comes back and actually plays. He saw how townie you played in the last game, did he build a lot of respect from you of it, because I would think he would find easier targets, you know what I mean? when I entered the game last game a lot of ppl scum read me. E.g. Hats though I would very likely be scum. But your argument makes a lot of sense. Unless Trfel is breaking meta hardcore I don't think he would push me like this right of the bat. Disformation, last question for now, when you say "breaking meta", what are you referring to?
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On August 29 2016 07:01 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 07:00 Trfel wrote:On August 29 2016 06:55 Vivax wrote:On August 29 2016 06:49 Trfel wrote:On August 29 2016 06:42 Vivax wrote:
Tumble's attention shift from Trfel along with my post that went undiscussed (maybe I'm just boring or post too much stuff to reply to in detail?) to Rels being accused by Palmar is kinda interesting. It's like the Rels issue is more important for him than the Trfel one without visible reasoning. Sorry Vivax, I'm still trying to figure this out. I'm not quite getting what you're saying. You're saying that if Tumblewood was actually interested in my alignment, and actually wanted to talk about me, then he would have discussed your post about me instead of just talking about Palmar's read on Rels? Or am I wrong? More or less. I think he was way more drawn to the Rels issue than to yours which he initially mentioned. But why would he? Does he just have fun antagonizing Palmar? Is he more protective of Rels for other reasons? Okay, think I get what you're saying. Tumblewood, I'd appreciate an explanation On August 29 2016 06:53 disformation wrote:On August 29 2016 06:50 scott31337 wrote:On August 29 2016 06:44 disformation wrote:
Eh, what do you think of Trfel?
Am I going full OMGUS on a town here, cause he is pushing me over nothing, or is he scum pushing me over nothing?
Would actually like some pressure on Rels, so he comes back and actually plays. He saw how townie you played in the last game, did he build a lot of respect from you of it, because I would think he would find easier targets, you know what I mean? when I entered the game last game a lot of ppl scum read me. E.g. Hats though I would very likely be scum. But your argument makes a lot of sense. Unless Trfel is breaking meta hardcore I don't think he would push me like this right of the bat. Disformation, last question for now, when you say "breaking meta", what are you referring to? as scum you like to avoid spotlight very much. this game you basically are screaming for that. see your opener for example. Okay, thanks a bunch for answering my questions. I really appreciate it. Good night
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Wait, Koshi, I thought that you were joking about Tumblewood being mafia?
Assuming that you are actually suspicious of him, why?
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I get what you're saying (at least, I think, anyway). Thanks.
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On August 29 2016 08:45 Tictock wrote:
Still sus of Vivax too, he is playing to a higher degree than last I saw of him as scum but his contributions feel forced and possibly have agenda behind them. Tictock, why do you say that Vivax's contributions possibly have agenda behind them?
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@Tumblewood:On August 29 2016 06:42 Vivax wrote:
Tumble's attention shift from Trfel along with my post that went undiscussed (maybe I'm just boring or post too much stuff to reply to in detail?) to Rels being accused by Palmar is kinda interesting. It's like the Rels issue is more important for him than the Trfel one without visible reasoning. On August 29 2016 06:55 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 06:49 Trfel wrote:On August 29 2016 06:42 Vivax wrote:
Tumble's attention shift from Trfel along with my post that went undiscussed (maybe I'm just boring or post too much stuff to reply to in detail?) to Rels being accused by Palmar is kinda interesting. It's like the Rels issue is more important for him than the Trfel one without visible reasoning. Sorry Vivax, I'm still trying to figure this out. I'm not quite getting what you're saying. You're saying that if Tumblewood was actually interested in my alignment, and actually wanted to talk about me, then he would have discussed your post about me instead of just talking about Palmar's read on Rels? Or am I wrong? More or less. I think he was way more drawn to the Rels issue than to yours which he initially mentioned. But why would he? Does he just have fun antagonizing Palmar? Is he more protective of Rels for other reasons? Do you have any responses to these concerns?
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Hey, disformation, want to solve the game together?
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Geript, I'll read your stuff in more detail in a bit, but I'm not sure why you put Koshi as town. Help?
Same with Tictock, when I read your posts it seems like you have problems with Tictock's posts so far, but I don't see that listed in the summary.
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On August 29 2016 15:12 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 15:09 Trfel wrote:
Hey, disformation, want to solve the game together? would love to solve the game. My question wasn't exclusive to disformation, I assumed (wrongly) that he was the only one around. Geript (or anyone else), if you'd like to discuss as well, I would love to
Is there anyone in particular that you feel are interesting/worth discussing first?
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On August 29 2016 15:25 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 15:18 Trfel wrote:On August 29 2016 15:12 disformation wrote:On August 29 2016 15:09 Trfel wrote:
Hey, disformation, want to solve the game together? would love to solve the game. My question wasn't exclusive to disformation, I assumed (wrongly) that he was the only one around. Geript (or anyone else), if you'd like to discuss as well, I would love to Is there anyone in particular that you feel are interesting/worth discussing first? not rly tbh. xD should take a look at rb and danhel, ome to work and kinda skimmed that stuff. Okay, well I decided to start by rereading everything, but while that's going on, what do you think about Vivax?
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On August 29 2016 06:21 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 06:21 Tumblewood wrote:
gonna jump on the "talk about trfel" ship
doesn't make a whole lot of sense that trfel would jokingly claim scum and then shift right into serious mode. well, maybe a little. I still don't like it.
vivax is also probably town for getting pissed at that. Or he is mafia with him! 2 found? Also, someone help me out, which two people is Koshi referring to as being mafia in this post?
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Disformation, Holyflare and geript (iirc) have both brought up that they are quite suspicious of Vivax. Yet you don't seem to be suspicious of Holyflare and geript. What are your thoughts here?
*to clarify, I'm not trying to trap you in words, just genuinely curious
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Bleh, you're right. Okay, so why do you think that Vivax is town then?
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On August 29 2016 16:03 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 16:02 Trfel wrote:
Bleh, you're right. Okay, so why do you think that Vivax is town then? his case on Rels made me laugh. But you posted that Vivax is town before he posted his case on Rels?
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On August 29 2016 16:10 disformation wrote:
and with all these questions I am fairly surprised you don't ask me where the hell my incredible hard TR on TT comes from. Sure, why are you so confident that Tictock is town?
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I think I kind of like DanelerH. It feels like he is involved with the game and actually interested in looking into people's thinking behind their actions. Thoughts?
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Tumblewood
Tumblewood has made several reads this game but it doesn't feel like he cares about those reads at all. One big example of this is his Palmar read:On August 29 2016 06:35 Tumblewood wrote:
maybe palmar's mafia On August 29 2016 06:36 Tumblewood wrote:
idk I feel like if you applied that read to every situation you'd lynch scum the same amount as normal. Tumblewood feels a bit unsure and apathetic about Palmar's scumread of Rels, but still seems to think that Palmar may be mafia. Yet when I asked him for more about this read, he said no.
In addition, there is no continuity to his reads. It just doesn't seem like he cares about his reads at all.
Thoughts?
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Disformation, I have a terrible meta read that says that Tictock is mafia.
My terrible meta read is that when Tictock is mafia, he tends to cooperate with people and be a bit nicer to them. And when he's town, he can be a bit more abrasive and uses a harsher tone to voice his suspicions.
I think that this meta is semi-decent (but terrible because I am the one who said it), and I think that it points towards Tictock being mafia in this game. Do you agree with my interpretation of Tictock's meta, and if so, do you agree with my interpretation of Tictock's play this game with respect to this?
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On August 29 2016 16:50 disformation wrote:
On a side note: I am not sure I like geript not interacting with anyone and just dumping these post by post commentaries in thread.
Does feel totally different to geript when I last played with him.
But since that was a long while ago and I only played with geript once:
can the ppl who played with geript more often comment on that? I don't really count for "playing with geript often", but I agree that geript sharing reads and vanishing feels off-putting. However, geript isn't always the most involved as town (he tends to be at least decently involved iirc), and more importantly, it's a bit late in the US so it does make some sense for him to leave right after posting. I like that you noticed that, though, disformation.
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Sorry, disformation, I know I've asked you a ton of questions this game, but one more....
I'm honestly not really sure where you're at, even after reading your filter. Who are some of your strongest townreads and scumreads?
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On August 29 2016 15:05 geript wrote:
Overall:
HF, Koshi and Vivax are probably town. I'll put them there for now at least. I think I'll put Ticktock up there too, but I feel a bit waffly about him. Palmar's in plammar limbo, if for no other reason than he hasn't convince Marv to play. Tumblewood, Race and Disinfo are probably scum; I'm tempted to throw Dane in there too but I kinda think he just doesn't know how to play. Trfel I'll figure out for sure when he makes an actual case, but I'd guess he's just bad town. Scott's sorta weird; like he seems to talk around issues; he's posting a bit more than I remember him usually posting. I sorta kinda like a bit of his stuff, but he avoids actual stuff and just seems to chip in to get other people to talk about stuff and that gives me the heebiejeebies. Rels is uselss as usual. The important points in bold: Tictock as town, and Race Bannon as probably scum.
Here is what geript says about Tictock:
+ Show Spoiler +On August 29 2016 14:45 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 08:06 Tictock wrote:On August 29 2016 06:22 Vivax wrote:
I see good will from Trfel here but it's not going to catch a mafia disfo. So far both of them posted null stuff, with Trfel's scumclaim being posted to look like he wanted to draw attention, but since he's posting in sluggish tempo I'm not sure he wanted to actually draw attention but the opposite. But I don't want to crash his party if he thinks he's achieving something.
Also, salut Rels! This strikes me as the most interesting post thus far. Basically a long winded way of saying he has no idea what Trfel is doing. I agree with the first sentance but the rest is calling out Trfel for something, then saying he doesn't want to push Trfel for it. Mild scum lean for casting shade on Trfel but not wanting to look like a bad guy while doing it. I like picking up on the Vivax post and bringing it back up. Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 08:45 Tictock wrote:On August 29 2016 08:18 Koshi wrote:
Now that Palmar plays I will just let him do his thing and lynch him D3 if we don't lynch mafia. eztactics and 100% foolproof. Hey, that was my plan! Now I feel like I should come up with something more original... but thankfully I'm pretty lazy. For now I think I'll add my weight to the Rels train kus a little pressure on him sounds like a good way to start the game. Still sus of Vivax too, he is playing to a higher degree than last I saw of him as scum but his contributions feel forced and possibly have agenda behind them. Pretty sure Trfel and Dis are both town. That is all. ## Vote: Rels This is really left field and I don't understand where it's coming from. TT explain. On August 29 2016 15:05 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 09:17 Tictock wrote:A couple of Vivax's posts don't mesh with how I'm seeing the game at all. Ehh I think I need context. On August 29 2016 06:42 Vivax wrote:
Tumble's attention shift from Trfel along with my post that went undiscussed (maybe I'm just boring or post too much stuff to reply to in detail?) to Rels being accused by Palmar is kinda interesting. It's like the Rels issue is more important for him than the Trfel one without visible reasoning. Here he is basically saying that Tumble reacting to Palmar's thing with Rels is an "attention shift" like there is possible association between Rels and Tumble. While Vivax's own opinion of Rels is basically "Palmar is a cool guy, and makes a good point about Rels" I kinda see Vivax doing exactly what he is accusing Tumble of doing here, shifting some attention from people discussing Rels onto Tumble. I guess there's a logic to this, but it really doesn't add up. On August 29 2016 15:05 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 10:44 Tumblewood wrote:On August 29 2016 08:36 Tictock wrote:On August 29 2016 08:04 Tumblewood wrote:On August 29 2016 07:14 Race Bannon wrote:
Tumblewood, Koshi. for me. waitwaitwait hold on all Koshi does is talk about himself and then quote a post and call me mafia and we're scumbuddies? no way I was tempted to call you scum as well before this post. Willing to townlean you for this though. thank you, I was proud of that read Wait, WTF???? This:
Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 08:36 Tictock wrote:On August 29 2016 08:04 Tumblewood wrote:On August 29 2016 07:14 Race Bannon wrote:
Tumblewood, Koshi. for me. waitwaitwait hold on all Koshi does is talk about himself and then quote a post and call me mafia and we're scumbuddies? no way I was tempted to call you scum as well before this post. Willing to townlean you for this though.
This is a reason to townread someone? That's a pretty fucking terrible reason to think anyone's town.
And here is what geript says about Race Bannon:
+ Show Spoiler +On August 29 2016 14:45 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 07:29 Palmar wrote:
Although just thinking that makes him like super likely to be town. Which kinda sucks, because it's a super "cheap" townread, but there is almost no way Race Bannon makes that post as mafia. Probably true, but I want to lynch him just for bringing it up. On August 29 2016 15:05 geript wrote:This is really fucking weird pair to be scumreading.
I kind of get geript's scumread of Race Bannon, but it feels very weak, especially after he agreed with Palmar's reason to townread him, and yet geript puts it the same as his strongest scumreads. And I really, really don't understand how geript has these thoughts about Tictock's play but ends in a town read on him anyway. Geript's comments here (particularly on Tictock) don't seem to match the end read.
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So I think I am at.....
Town
Palmar - Meta
Vivax? - Meta I like the way he dove in, most notably the read on Tumblewood. Though I don't like that he stopped doing stuff at roughly the same time that disformation and I called him town. That might have simply been bedtime in his part of Europe though.
Town Lean
scott31337 - He's doing stuff. Normally scott31337 doesn't do stuff. That generally isn't a meta that you break for the first time as mafia.
DanelerH?
disformation? - I'm allowed to waffle on waffle boy.
Maybe Mafia Ish?
Tictock?
Rels?
Tumblewood
Not really that sure on the rest to be honest. I really don't like geript's thing on Tictock, but the rest of it is sensible, even if not great; I don't feel super confident pursuing this yet.
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Koshi, what do you think of geript?
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I think I'm going to bed. Good night, thanks for humoring my questions.
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On August 29 2016 17:55 disformation wrote:I actually took a look at the meta read NM used to figure out scum!palmar in star wars the mafia awaken and then compared palmars filter from that game to the one he has here. using that as a basis I too think Palmar is playing to his town meta this game. I find the meta read you posted interesting, and it's partially correct That said, I'm not as confident on Palmar as I generally am, which annoys me a little bit.On August 29 2016 18:54 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 18:51 disformation wrote:
TBH I am surprisingly cool with "my" meta thing on palmar.
And ofc I am willing to reevaluate as the game goes on. Need my waffelz!
Nah seriously I'll call Palmar town.
Does anyone have an opinion on HF? Cause I kinda dont and I am scared by that. I really liked that extra dimension read he had on TW. Showed he is thinking about the game and not pretending to think about the game. atm one of the most townie people. Koshi, I find it very funny that you keep insisting that this game is within the range of Palmar's mafia play but say that Holyflare is super towny after a handful of posts. Do you not have a high opinion of Holyflare's scum play, or is there an extra nuance to this read?
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Holyflare, how strongly do you feel about disformation being mafia?
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Holyflare, what do you think about Tumblewood's posts on Tictock? Especially since you said that you're also suspicious of Tictock.
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On August 30 2016 03:49 Holyflare wrote:
Also someone explain to me how geript is leading the votes? Because his wall of text posts don't seem to match some of the reads he ends at in the conclusion.
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Tictock, why are you more willing to lynch geript than Rels? Is it just the inconsistencies between his posts and the conclusion, or is there something else?
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On August 30 2016 12:29 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2016 12:18 Trfel wrote:
Tictock, why are you more willing to lynch geript than Rels? Is it just the inconsistencies between his posts and the conclusion, or is there something else? It is partially just feels, on the surface the both just did the same thing but Rels string of thoughts flowed better into his conclusions. Geript has the inconsistencies but also did little to focus on his scum reads or any reads infact, compare to Rels who put down a decent bit about each of his scum reads. I find this interesting because to me, Rels and geript were similar in some ways, but Rels was far more reactive in only addressing the thread sentiment, being open to lynch all the main suspects, and not having any original thought. On the contrary, geript felt more willing to share original thoughts, even if they didn't make as much sense.
I am having a bit of trouble believing that you can actually think this . Help?
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DanelerH, have you had a chance to look through the whole game yet, or are there still people you haven't looked at?
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Hey, so if anyone has any questions or wants to talk about anything, let me know. Otherwise, Tictock, I asked you a question in post #583, if you're not going to answer it I'd at least appreciate it if you would just say that?
I'll be reading some stuff.
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On August 30 2016 15:53 Tictock wrote:
Fair warning though, I'm unlikely to be very responsive for the next few hours.
Wait!!! Can I get like five minutes to pester you with several more annoying questions?
First of which being, when you townread Tumblewood for the Koshi/Race Bannon/Tumblewood associative read thing (can link it if you need), what was it about Tumblewood's post that makes you say that it's more of a town mindset? Because I'm really not sure what you're getting at.
As to who I want to lynch... working on it. But for now I'm thinking not you, if that helps
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@Tictock, might as well ask all of my questions now.
Early on, you said that you thought that both I and disformation were town. Why did you say this?
Why did you move Holyflare from "null" into "don't lynch"?
And I know that this question seems dumb, but if you wouldn't mind explaining a bit more of what it is about Vivax's passion over the scott31337 lynch that makes you townread him? Like, why can't he be mafia that is strongly pushing scott31337?
Thanks
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On August 30 2016 16:01 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2016 12:34 Trfel wrote:On August 30 2016 12:29 Tictock wrote:On August 30 2016 12:18 Trfel wrote:
Tictock, why are you more willing to lynch geript than Rels? Is it just the inconsistencies between his posts and the conclusion, or is there something else? It is partially just feels, on the surface the both just did the same thing but Rels string of thoughts flowed better into his conclusions. Geript has the inconsistencies but also did little to focus on his scum reads or any reads infact, compare to Rels who put down a decent bit about each of his scum reads. I find this interesting because to me, Rels and geript were similar in some ways, but Rels was far more reactive in only addressing the thread sentiment, being open to lynch all the main suspects, and not having any original thought. On the contrary, geript felt more willing to share original thoughts, even if they didn't make as much sense. I am having a bit of trouble believing that you can actually think this . Help? You think I'm scum ? The way I see it, the people you are suspicious of exactly match the thread sentiment, and you haven't provided any original thought.
Do you think that I am incorrectly perceiving things? And if not, why shouldn't I think that you are scum?
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And Tictock, one more thing.....
In this post, where you vote for Tumblewood, when did you decide that you were going to vote for Tumblewood?
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Okay Rels, one more question. You said that you want to lynch one of four people, and then voted for scott31337. Why did you choose scott31337, and how much do you care about lynching him versus the other people on the list?
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On August 30 2016 16:30 Rels wrote:
Alright I'm leaving Paris, as said I will be driving all day so see you later! Have a good day, thanks for answering my questions.
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On August 30 2016 16:44 disformation wrote:
Damn. Just missed Rels.
Well... @Trfel: you are asking a lot of questions, were you able to reach some conclusions from the answers etc? I think I'm wanting to lynch scott31337. I think that Tictock has been providing a sensible approach to the game and some original thought, and that's enough to override my stupid meta read anyway, because I'm bad at meta when it's not about Palmar.
My reasons to think that scott31337 were town basically came down to that I wouldn't think he would want to play the game if he was mafia. But that's pretty dumb. Looking at his play with that aside, he looks like mafia I'll explain more in the near future.
I still kind of want to lynch Tumblewood, but he's really carefree, and that's giving me a bit of doubt. I did a brief meta check on the 72 hours game, and he seemed less carefree and more intentional (he was mafia in that game). And his meta read on Tictock is actually a decent read. For the moment, I think I prefer scott31337.
Still working on you and geript, but I don't really think I want to lynch either of you?
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Geript, if you're still around, I'd really like to know why you are townreading Tictock.
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Okay, so not sure what geript's up to, but I'm going to bed. I'm not sure about geript, but I'll look at him more tomorrow.
I want to lynch scott31337. He's been decently active, present, and conversational, but his reads don't go anywhere, it doesn't seem like he's been solving the game. This has been said before, I'll try to state it in a simple and clear way.
He started by checking meta on Rels and comparing that to his opening in this game, and voted for Rels. Then he said that Race Bannon could be mafia for his post about PMs. Then he said that "maybe the others have a point" about disformation not having many reads, implying that he's getting a bit suspicious of disformation. Then he says that Palmar's townread on Race Bannon makes sense, but Race Bannon is still in his mafia pool. Then he says he's down for lynching Tumblewood as well.
Then he votes for Tumblewood, with no explanation.
And he still hasn't even said why he thinks Tumblewood is scum. Scott31337 has zero continuity to his reads at all. It doesn't look like he's actually trying to figure out the best lynch but rather saying whatever sounds towny in that instant.
##vote scott31337
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On August 30 2016 18:08 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2016 17:17 Trfel wrote:
He started by checking meta on Rels and comparing that to his opening in this game, and voted for Rels. Then he said that Race Bannon could be mafia for his post about PMs. Then he said that "maybe the others have a point" about disformation not having many reads, implying that he's getting a bit suspicious of disformation. Then he says that Palmar's townread on Race Bannon makes sense, but Race Bannon is still in his mafia pool. Then he says he's down for lynching Tumblewood as well.
Then he votes for Tumblewood, with no explanation.
##vote scott31337 What in all this makes him mafia over town playing the game? The part that you removed from the post? Where The above summary of scott31337's play shows no follow through on his reads. Example: If I call Player A scum, and then go on talking about a bunch of other things and never talk about Player A any more, am I actually serious about Player A being scum? And when he finally votes for Tumblewood without saying anything at all, ever, about Tumblewood.... it doesn't seem like he's actually interested in lynching Tumblewood, but just hiding on the biggest wagon.
On August 30 2016 22:27 Vivax wrote:Retracting the TR on Trfel. While his pickup on the disfo oddity seemed good it happened during a spree of questions that makes it appear less original than I thought it was. Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 16:34 Trfel wrote:TumblewoodTumblewood has made several reads this game but it doesn't feel like he cares about those reads at all. One big example of this is his Palmar read: On August 29 2016 06:35 Tumblewood wrote:
maybe palmar's mafia On August 29 2016 06:36 Tumblewood wrote:
idk I feel like if you applied that read to every situation you'd lynch scum the same amount as normal. Tumblewood feels a bit unsure and apathetic about Palmar's scumread of Rels, but still seems to think that Palmar may be mafia. Yet when I asked him for more about this read, he said no. In addition, there is no continuity to his reads. It just doesn't seem like he cares about his reads at all. Thoughts? Also don't understand why he's not joining the TW wagon having posted this earlier. Shouldn't he be like, remembering what he posted here and happy to jump on TW and digging this up again? After that, Tumblewood posted his read on Tictock. And I thought about Tumblewood's previous posting more. I don't like Tumblewood all that much, but I'd rather lynch scott31337, I think
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I could maybe lynch DanelerH, though. It's just very hard to see him approaching this game from a town mindset. I cannot figure out how he's going about solving the game, the direction of his filter seems to be more just random. The biggest example of that being his latest series of posts, where after voting for geript yesterday, he talks about some random, disconnected stuff today, of no relevance to the lynch.
The only problem is that I could maybe see him being town and not posting many of his actual thoughts, to the point that the progression in what he has posted makes no sense.
That said, the point that Holyflare made on him makes a lot of sense, and his response doesn't seem very interested in figuring out people's alignments.
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On August 31 2016 04:20 Trfel wrote:
I could maybe lynch DanelerH, though. It's just very hard to see him approaching this game from a town mindset. I cannot figure out how he's going about solving the game, the direction of his filter seems to be more just random. The biggest example of that being his latest series of posts, where after voting for geript yesterday, he talks about some random, disconnected stuff today, of no relevance to the lynch.
The only problem is that I could maybe see him being town and not posting many of his actual thoughts, to the point that the progression in what he has posted makes no sense.
That said, the point that Holyflare made on him makes a lot of sense, and his response doesn't seem very interested in figuring out people's alignments. Not as sure about lynching DanelerH any more, just realized that I missed one of his posts. And his last post seemed much more relevant.
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Hi Tumblewood
Why do you want to lynch scott31337 instead of Tictock?
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On August 31 2016 05:16 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 02:15 Palmar wrote:
fuck it TW actually sounds kind of like town. I'm going back to geript. What about his responses make you think he's town? Honestly at this point I feel like he just came back and started defending himself, but really has nothing to add. Hell the fact that he's coping out and voting Scott here and totally dropping the push on me really makes me want to lynch him. Yeah, I know....
Bleh, okay.
##unvote
##vote Tumblewood
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On August 31 2016 05:22 Holyflare wrote:
I'm also not caught uo properly did anything change? Don't think so.
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On August 31 2016 02:07 Tumblewood wrote:
you have all these great cases on scott too, right in front of your eyes. and you ignore them for the bs on me. I'm voting scott btw if you want to join me Tumblewood, what happened here?
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I think that scott31337 is a better lynch than Tumblewood. There are some reasons that Tumblewood doesn't look that great, but I don't think that parts of his play make much sense for him to be mafia.
Waiting for the last second to flail around, I don't really like I'm not sure that Tumblewood is town. I'm not super torn up if he's lynched. But there are several things that make me doubt. And scott31337 is a decent chance at being mafia.
I don't think that DanelerH is a good lynch.
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I'd rather not lynch Rels, I think.
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On August 31 2016 06:11 disformation wrote:game starts off on a great note I see. Rels what the fuck happened man, you used to be super good at the game? Rels played a decent game.
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On August 31 2016 06:23 Holyflare wrote:
I just can't wrap my head around why Scott would be here but not vote to save himself unless he's with the last two but that's super duper associative and bad buttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I see two possible explanations?
Either he just honestly had no idea what was going on and was too confused to do anything / didn't think quickly enough? Which is possible as either alignment?
Or, he's mafia and saw the vote count at 6-4 and didn't want to look worse by being on the wagon that flips town.
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And that's a very, very interesting point on Tictock.
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On August 31 2016 06:34 Holyflare wrote:
I think I'm just going to scum read every single person that doesn't put me in their town list. Be warned. Okay, you can be town
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On August 31 2016 07:10 Holyflare wrote:
I'm just really confused by Scott tbh, who posted the better than vivax case on him? The short case on scott31337 was written by me.
I'm here-ish, and I'll analyze stuff tonight, but I kinda feel like I need a bit of a break. I'm in agreement with most of the stuff you're saying now though, even though the Tictock point annoys me because I was really starting to think that he was town.
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On August 31 2016 07:13 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 07:10 Holyflare wrote:
I'm just really confused by Scott tbh, who posted the better than vivax case on him? Clearly nobody. I claim all scott credit with Trfel being close second mvp. Idk why you have a beef with TT btw. Seemed fairly ok with his posting so far, except that I couldn't fathom why he'd come into the game scumreading me, but on the other hand he was the first to spell it out like he did so seems a bit ballsy for him to do it as mafia. Did you see that Tictock switched his vote to Rels after Rels claimed blue?
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On August 31 2016 06:00 Palmar wrote:
This has like 1% chance of working but we're sticking with it because he claimed Palmar, why does someone claiming mean that you have to stick with the lynch? (ignoring time issues)
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And Holyflare, I'm a bit lost, could you summarize why Palmar is mafia?
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On August 31 2016 06:25 disformation wrote:
I kinda think ppl pilling onto TW kinda steadily all day and suddenly _ALL_ switching with little resistance esp after the claim means TW is town?
As in both wagons were town. Hey disformation, when you wake up, I'm having trouble understanding this wagon analysis. Is it to do with how the Tumblewood wagon built? Because I would think that if a bunch of people switch off of a wagon quickly, it's more likely for that wagon to be on mafia, right?
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Race Bannon
1) Says he won't lynch Koshi for taking a side on the role PM issue, then wants to lynch Koshi
+ Show Spoiler +On August 29 2016 19:44 Race Bannon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 19:23 Palmar wrote:On August 29 2016 19:18 Race Bannon wrote: I am the most polarizing element in the game, hijole! I should do something other than mimicking Slam. Out of curiosity, why did you talk about the vanilla role pm? Give us YOUR version of it. A wifom reaction test. Not sure about the reactions though. I wouldn't want to lynch the people who took sides on my alignment bearing in mind what I've said just yet. Palmar and disfo on one side, and geript, Koshi on the other, I'd like to keep at least until day 3. Also, I will address the elephant in the room once more, and say that the PM flavor =/= OP flavor. Therefore I am nonplussed about Trfel, scott and Palmar explicitly claiming it not be so, while others at least circumvented commenting directly on this issue, and wound up discussing my alignment instead .. which could be a sign of scum probing for information following the scare that the game might be breakable. On August 31 2016 05:21 Race Bannon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 05:18 disformation wrote:On August 31 2016 05:16 Tictock wrote:On August 31 2016 02:15 Palmar wrote:
fuck it TW actually sounds kind of like town. I'm going back to geript. What about his responses make you think he's town? Honestly at this point I feel like he just came back and started defending himself, but really has nothing to add. Hell the fact that he's coping out and voting Scott here and totally dropping the push on me really makes me want to lynch him. his vote is still on geript. he will have to vote scott for survival which is perfectly nai. Who except Trfel and Vivax made a case against scott? Can yoube persuaded to help nudge along a Koshi or Vivax choochoo?
2) Race Bannon scumread scott31337, but then scumread Vivax and dismissed the arguments to scumread scott31337
+ Show Spoiler +On August 30 2016 06:31 Race Bannon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2016 06:25 scott31337 wrote:On August 30 2016 06:08 Race Bannon wrote:On August 30 2016 06:04 Koshi wrote:On August 30 2016 06:03 Palmar wrote:On August 30 2016 05:43 Koshi wrote:
Palmar, Vivax, TW
My best guesses for mafia. jesus koshi God Koshi. You should know. Ok, I've had it with the references to that game. vote: Koshi Best case all game..../s You're damn right about that. The one on you is better. ![[image loading]](http://38.media.tumblr.com/2008633368ec7a3457be866b659fadf7/tumblr_ni8wvz71Tf1rtbl5vo1_500.gif) Mine is only close second. On August 30 2016 17:20 Race Bannon wrote:
Trfel scott scumbuds But then: On August 31 2016 00:08 Race Bannon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 00:02 Vivax wrote:On August 30 2016 23:57 Race Bannon wrote:On August 30 2016 23:45 Vivax wrote:
I like this post. If you gonna call me mafia at least call me a dirty little scumfuck, or a conspiring backstabber. Just don't randomly shit on my posts.
It would make sense for you to say that, if your case was good. Do you believe your case was good? I'm asking because I believe that scumhunting is about forcing scum into a corner where they have to lie, and hope that I can tell when that happens. Absolutely I believe my case was good, I also believe the arguments on TW are good. I am just too proud to admit it and switch my vote, which won't be necessary cause I'm fairly sure mafia is getting trashed. 1. It was fairly early and scott hasn't posted enough for a good case.
3) What geript said about Race Bannon doing nothing relevant to the lynch, then posting exactly at the deadline with nothing relevant, and then vanishing
So, I don't think that any of his arguments make sense this whole game. But imagining for a moment that he is town, and he actually believes what he is saying. 40 minutes from the deadline, he's super confident that Vivax is mafia because he scumslipped, and that Koshi is mafia with him because he scumslipped a read that depends on Vivax's alignment. And he believes this almost 100%. And town's voting for this random guy Tumblewood, who Race Bannon didn't care about enough to mention.On August 31 2016 05:21 Race Bannon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 05:18 disformation wrote:On August 31 2016 05:16 Tictock wrote:On August 31 2016 02:15 Palmar wrote:
fuck it TW actually sounds kind of like town. I'm going back to geript. What about his responses make you think he's town? Honestly at this point I feel like he just came back and started defending himself, but really has nothing to add. Hell the fact that he's coping out and voting Scott here and totally dropping the push on me really makes me want to lynch him. his vote is still on geript. he will have to vote scott for survival which is perfectly nai. Who except Trfel and Vivax made a case against scott? Can yoube persuaded to help nudge along a Koshi or Vivax choochoo? So he posts this, 39 minutes until end of day. Which makes sense. If he is convinced that Koshi and Vivax are mafia, he should want to lynch them instead of Tumblewood, who he presumably doesn't think is mafia.
What doesn't make sense is that from here he vanishes until the deadline. Let's still assume that he is town. He comes back and sees Rels being lynched, and no one paying attention to his scumreads on Vivax and Koshi. He ought to be mad at everyone for not paying attention and mislynching the vigilante. Or maybe he would be frustrated at whatever it was that prevented him from being able to play in this crucial time to get his own lynch. But what he actually posts:
On August 31 2016 06:00 Race Bannon wrote:
There's something I noticed about myself. I fucking hate it when the acting is so bad that I'm constantly being reminded of how it's a movie I'm watching. Either the acting, sometimes the casting irrevocably dooms that department entirely, or the camera keeps shaking stupidly erratic, especially when 3d, my word. Is it so hard to empathize with the viewer experience and just take Alejandro Inarritu's success as a hint? FFS, and the mobile phones.. the stupid kids with their availability issues.
The same goes for people breaking the reading experience in forum mafia. When I'm hosting I'll totally modkill, and taste the full flavor of the subsequent bitch-fest and enjoy it to the fullest, when someone looses even a coherent sentence about anything other than game-relevant material, except material used for jokes or whatever.
I vehemently denounce this entitlement of a player to think they can bring into this picture their real life persona, what they're doing or would like to do outside of this game.. who the fuck wants to see a player as anything other than the cog in the machinery. Random people .. evoking contexts like wht they eat, where they drive, dota and wow .. what? Why is this relevant to my experience? I am well advised to decide that scum could just as well lie about being unavailable and some such, so where's the fucking point of interluding the flow of relevant conversation, just to "announce" I'll want to play dota .. like "wrap this up people, I got somewhere to be". No you don't you piece of shit. You don't exist outside the context of this game, for anyone inside this game. .. For real.
Sry, meant to play but had to get this off my chest. Complaining about people talking about things outside of the game and having excuses for not being active? Really? After he was just gone and uninvolved for the 39 minutes leading up to the lynch?
There is zero reason for this to ever be in a town mindset.
Conclusion: Race Bannon is very likely mafia.
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Tictock
Tictock's end of day looks really bad. He makes a lot of posts talking about how much he wants to lynch Tumblewood and how scummy he thinks Tumblewood is:
+ Show Spoiler [Examples] +On August 31 2016 05:16 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 02:15 Palmar wrote:
fuck it TW actually sounds kind of like town. I'm going back to geript. What about his responses make you think he's town? Honestly at this point I feel like he just came back and started defending himself, but really has nothing to add. Hell the fact that he's coping out and voting Scott here and totally dropping the push on me really makes me want to lynch him. On August 31 2016 05:36 Tictock wrote:
I'm pretty happy to be lynching Tumble honestly.
Nothing he's posted in the past few hours says anything, and he's mostly just whining about how he's not really playing his scum meta.
I get the scumreads on Dane but I feel like he's much more a roll of the die than Tumble who is like 95% likely to flip mafia here imo. Like I get why some of his posts are triggering alarms but I feel like he is putting in effort.
Scott is still a tough one for me this game. Palmar flip-flopping from geript to Tumble and then back to Geript is worth raising an eyebrow or two at, but is not something I care to dig into right now. On August 31 2016 05:41 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 05:40 Tumblewood wrote:
honestly I really want to lynch Koshi right now
or maybe hf
circa 20 minutes from now it should strike everyone as really weird that my wagon formed so easily and didn't budge even when things changed Nothing has changed, expect more and more people realizing you rolled mafia this game. On August 31 2016 05:43 Tictock wrote:
Deadline is so close... I think I'm going back to Legion.
I want Tumble to be the lynch today, so plz no last min shenannies. Dane is a worse lynch than Tumble.
But he switches to Rels anyway.On August 31 2016 06:41 Tictock wrote:
I hate myself for caving to pressure.
Sorry Rels. And he blames it on caving into pressure. Given how much he talked about wanting to lynch Tumblewood and not shenanigan, even after Rels posted all of his most scummy stuff at EoD, this is the most plausible explanation if Tictock is indeed town. But it still doesn't seem very solid at all.
Other than this End of Day stuff I kind of like Tictock's play? So I'm not sure what to make of this yet.
I know that unflipped associations are really stupid, but if scott31337 is mafia, Tictock's play looks far more suspicious. Here's the vote count before Tictock's vote switch:On August 31 2016 05:58 beentheredonethat wrote:Day 1: Vote Count #7
Votes: - Rels (4) -
Palmar, Vivax, scott31337, disformation, Koshi, Tictock, Holyflare, disformation, Koshi, Tumblewood
- Trfel (0) -
disformation
- disformation (0) -
Holyflare, Koshi, geript
- Tumblewood (2) -
Koshi, Koshi, Holyflare, scott31337, Tictock, Palmar, disformation, disformation, Trfel
- Koshi (0) -
DanelerH
- geript (1) -
Palmar, disformation, DanelerH, Palmar, Tumblewood
- scott31337 (4) - Vivax, Rels,
Trfel, DanelerH, Trfel, Tumblewood
- TicTock (0) -
Tumblewood
- Vivax (1) -
disformation, Race Bannon
- DanelerH (1) - geript
Not voting: - Currently, scott31337 is set to be lynched. Tictock's vote was really important in sealing the lynch as Rels, instead of scott31337. He could maybe have predicted Palmar switching votes to Rels, but relying on other people to switch would be a huge risk. So if scott31337 flips mafia, Tictock looks a lot worse. Even if scott31337 flips town, his End of Day makes me a bit suspicious about him.
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On August 31 2016 16:58 Race Bannon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 16:29 Trfel wrote:
Race Bannon
(...)
So, I don't think that any of his arguments make sense this whole game. I don't think you think that. Glad to see that as soon as I scumread you, you appear It's like magic!
Do you have any further comments on my case?
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On August 31 2016 17:03 Race Bannon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 17:01 Trfel wrote:On August 31 2016 16:58 Race Bannon wrote:On August 31 2016 16:29 Trfel wrote:
Race Bannon
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So, I don't think that any of his arguments make sense this whole game. I don't think you think that. Glad to see that as soon as I scumread you, you appear It's like magic! Do you have any further comments on my case? Yes, and I though I made myself clear. I'd like you to elaborate on my arguments. AMA In the following spoiler are my attempts to understand your reads.
+ Show Spoiler +"This. I expect scum to slip when they're being questioned about a post, as opposed to during the initial post. In this case I think Vivax gave himself away when he failed to censor out the wording which indicates a conspiratorial approach to this conversation. He says "other reasons", as if fostering an air of mystery around the faction which he is a part of, whereas town would ask "is he more protective of Rels because of mafia reasons"."
I really, really don't understand why this is significant, in the slightest. "Other reasons" implies that one possibility is the subject being mafia.
"If anything I think people make a conscious habbit of rehashing their exact behavioral pattern from their towngames, as scum, in games where the same players are present. So I remember Koshi bringing up the exact same argument about me not having the balls to do whatever I did in my scumgame. Therefore this looks more like a manipulation designed specifically for me to get a meta townread on him, bearing in mind that we've interacted enough for him to catch and try to anchor my attention in this preconceived way."
Allow me to restate: Koshi did something last game when he was town. Because he did the same thing in this game, I think that he's mafia doing this specifically aimed to fool me.
So, what ever prevents Koshi from being town and just thinking the same way he did last game, since he was town last game?!!!?!?!!? This doesn't make him mafia in the slightest.
"It boils down to this: how can he warrant using vivax's alignment to incriminate Tumble here, hmm? Even if it's sort of a transition to disformation, that's not important. He's basically scumclaiming for both him and vivax."
Except that's not what Koshi said at all. Koshi said that Tumblewood is mafia because of the way that Tumblewood said "Vivax is town" at the end of his post. Koshi said absolutely nothing about Vivax's alignment, so it has nothing to do with what you are saying.
My turn
So, since you were scumreading scott31337 early on, how could you be so sure that Vivax is mafia, since he posted the biggest case on scott31337?
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On August 31 2016 17:22 Holyflare wrote:
Wait wtf is race slam? Haha, Pretty sure Alakaslam is just posting because he feels like it XD
Help me Holyflare, why is Tumblewood town? I'm pretty unsure about him right now. And what about Race Bannon?
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On August 31 2016 17:30 Race Bannon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 17:14 Trfel wrote:My turn So, since you were scumreading scott31337 early on, how could you be so sure that Vivax is mafia, since he posted the biggest case on scott31337? Read case, ask if no comprende I don't get it, that's why I'm asking
You go so far as to say that it was too early to make a good case on scott31337. So, okay, why were you scumreading scott31337???
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On August 31 2016 17:32 Race Bannon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 17:31 Trfel wrote:On August 31 2016 17:30 Race Bannon wrote:On August 31 2016 17:14 Trfel wrote:My turn So, since you were scumreading scott31337 early on, how could you be so sure that Vivax is mafia, since he posted the biggest case on scott31337? Read case, ask if no comprende I don't get it, that's why I'm asking You go so far as to say that it was too early to make a good case on scott31337. So, okay, why were you scumreading scott31337??? Fuck scott, you're asking why I was sure of Vivax, and it's rigt there in the case. I've already said why I don't think that makes sense, but okay, it's not worth arguing about.
In your scumread of Vivax, are you not considering the rest of his play? For instance, the push he's made for quite a while, and is by far the thing he's been most involved with? If you don't agree with this push, then presumably you disagree with the reasons that Vivax provided. In which case, I'd like to know the reasons that you were scumreading scott31337 for early on, and they'd better be different from the ones that Vivax posted.
I'm tired, so good night.
+ Show Spoiler +Race Bannon seems to be genuinely annoyed though, which feels much more like a town mindset than a mafia mindset sigh... Everything he does seems so mafia, but maybe he's somehow town anyway...
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I feel really stupid making a case on the person who is now dead, and didn't even read their role PM. Good job to me.
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On the bright side, since Rels died, there's a 25% chance that Race Bannon flips mafia, not a 22% chance
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Vivax, why is Koshi town?
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On September 01 2016 06:30 Vivax wrote:
you were semi afk, tumble only defended himself, palmar pushed for geript. all within mafia behaciour boumdaries.
and koshi is town cause gut feeling. is he your suspect trfel?
on phone btw I don't know about Koshi yet, I'm hoping to perform the amazing feat of reading his filter today. I personally don't have much reason to townread him (or that much reason to scumread him) without reading his filter, but I know that a lot of people are very confident that Koshi is town, and I'm not sure why. Activity certainly is a possible argument, but I was under the impression that Koshi is also quite active as mafia, so I don't know.
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The thing I really don't like about Koshi, is why is he so confident about scott31337 being town?
I looked through Koshi's filter, and I didn't see any reasons that he gave that scott31337 is town. Koshi said that he built a town case on scott31337, so I missed it (please link?), but I'm not seeing anything.
I also saw where Koshi said that he doesn't think that scott31337 is mafia but he really could be. Since then, scott31337 has not done anything worth townreading him for (in my opinion anyway), but Koshi's become far more confident in scott31337 being town, for seemingly no reason. If anything, the vote count analysis makes scott31337 look scummier IMO, not townier.
So this really confuses me.
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Hi. I'll talk.
It is my last night before going to college though, so I'm not fully present.
I think that you are mafia. We can talk about that if you want, or I can temporarily ignore that read. The fact that you're complaining about having no one to talk to makes me doubt the scumread a little bit though.
I think Tumblewood and Tictock may be mafia. Still need to filter geript, Vivax, Holyflare, Koshi. And Palmar. Think HF, V, maybe K are town, other two idk. Getting more suspicious of geript, he feels more outside and not leading, but could be wrong. I hope to read all of their filters tonight but might run out of time.
But I'd rather know, where are you at? Where's your reads and content?
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And yeah, I don't think I want to lynch DanelerH, ever . Seems way too honest.
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We are not allowed to no lynch and two mislynches loses us the game.
Scott, I don't get why its so upsetting to lose the cop. It's unfortunate and it happened, but that obviously wasn't what Vivax was trying to do. Yes the game is hard but it can still be solved
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On September 01 2016 15:12 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2016 14:59 Trfel wrote:
We are not allowed to no lynch and two mislynches loses us the game.
Scott, I don't get why its so upsetting to lose the cop. It's unfortunate and it happened, but that obviously wasn't what Vivax was trying to do. Yes the game is hard but it can still be solved Why do you see it wasn't what he was trying to do? My opinion is he was trying to upset and press people (and if he's mafia and know he's town) press people and piss them off. Dis lost it. Like I said, I don't give a fuck anymore. I think you're a prodding town. I'm sorry that the game is this frustrating, it's really not meant to be
I'm back on my computer now and will try to read some filters and stuff. But maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to take a break...
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Actually, I just remembered this.
Makes me wonder about Vivax....... Checking some things.
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On September 01 2016 15:24 Trfel wrote:Actually, I just remembered this. Makes me wonder about Vivax....... Checking some things. No, Vivax's scumread onto Palmar is a lot more original than I remembered. It does feel off that Vivax isn't tinfoiling everything like crazy, but he's actually doing things and driving the game forward. The sudden switch to scumreading disformation shows some elements of the old tinfoily town Vivax, maybe, too.
I guess I still think Vivax is town.
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On September 01 2016 16:22 geript wrote:
I could've sworn it was one of those two who mate a post close to:
(Answering "why did you town read him)
"Because he correctly meta read me". But for the life of me I can't find it. That was disformation.
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On September 01 2016 16:35 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2016 16:31 Trfel wrote:On September 01 2016 16:22 geript wrote:
I could've sworn it was one of those two who mate a post close to:
(Answering "why did you town read him)
"Because he correctly meta read me". But for the life of me I can't find it. That was disformation. You think Dane is town right? Correct. Do you have a read on him other than bad?
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Well, I have to wake up in three hours, so that's it for me. I tried to do some lazy POE stuff but it didn't end up with anything eye-opening.
In short, I really like DanelerH because in addition to his play feeling honest and open (example that he said he didn't think we could play at night), it doesn't feel like he's playing for survival or for townreads, but rather actually thinking about the game. One example of this is his early scumread on Koshi, another is not caving in to Holyflare's pressure and looking at disformation.
I'm actually not as sure on scott31337 being mafia, his latest series of posts felt more towny due to the emotions. And geript's play has started to feel more and more like I'd expect from him as town; not so much the immediately solving the game part, but the thought process.
On the other hand, Tumblewood and Tictock feel worse and worse to me. Tumblewood still hasn't done anything really other than that Tictock read, and he hasn't felt very involved at all, or motivated to play the game other than that one burst of activity to survive the lynch. For Tictock, his End of Day seemed really bad, and there was some other stuff which I'm forgetting because I'm too tired, but I dunno. I guess I kind of forgot why I thought he was mafia, I'll have to look at him again later.
Still haven't looked at Palmar at all.... And a bit paranoid of Vivax and maybe maaaaaybe Koshi.
Voting for Tumblewood.
Good night.
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On September 01 2016 17:02 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2016 16:39 Trfel wrote:On September 01 2016 16:35 geript wrote:On September 01 2016 16:31 Trfel wrote:On September 01 2016 16:22 geript wrote:
I could've sworn it was one of those two who mate a post close to:
(Answering "why did you town read him)
"Because he correctly meta read me". But for the life of me I can't find it. That was disformation. You think Dane is town right? Correct. Do you have a read on him other than bad? Sorry I'm bad at answering directly, but I really like my point about him being so "black and white." Like usually newer players have a big lack of confidence. The make these wish you washy posts that meander in bad ways. But his posts feel so rigid. Like he spends time to structure them. And that's what bugs me. Because usually newer town players even when coached don't feel that way. I guess we have different opinions about newer players, then. I want to say that I'm right and you're wrong, but I respect your opinion a lot and you've also spent plenty of time coaching newbies and analyzing newbie games.
I feel like some newbies do appear as very constructed and rigid, like I thought it was decently common? But I'll take a closer look at your point later.
Good night.
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Which two? Tictock and Tumblewood?
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Palmar feels especially uncaring today. Even worse than before.
If Palmar is town and being mislynched by a Holyflare that he thinks is mafia, I'd expect him to do something about it.
##unvote
##vote Palmar
Koshi, why did you change your read on Vivax to town?
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Caught up with the thread. I really don't know what to do
Part of me wants to lynch Holyflare because I'm being bad and can't find mafia, part of me wants to say that my townread on scott31337 was bad believe in the spreadsheet thing....
Or maybe just stick with Palmar. I guess just stick with Palmar. Because of that one Holyflare post where Palmar can be town and afk, but he can't be town with a scumread on Holyflare and afk.
Need to head out now but I'll be back later.
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Don't have time but am sheeping.
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I'm sorry, I'm so much busier than I expected . Shoudnt have signed up for the game.
Saw Tumblewood flipped town . I'll catch up on the rest early Day 3.
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Okay, so I'm going to get a lot of hate for this. But I think I'll use night kill association to say that Holyflare is likely mafia.
Night 1, why did disformation die instead of Holyflare? Both of them claimed cop. Honestly I thought that neither of them were the cop, but of the two, I would have guessed that Holyflare's claim is more likely to be true. But disformation was shot and not Holyflare. Also note that while disformation is a good player, Holyflare is widely known as being one of the best on the site.
Okay, so maybe it was just a really good read from mafia. Then why not kill Holyflare on Night 2? He's one of the only people still playing the game. And again, he's known as an amazing player and can pull town back from multiple LYLOs, and there's minimal pressure on him. Mafia should never leave him alive over a Vivax that made 3-ish posts all night phase and said he was AFKing on scott31337 or geript.
So yeah. I'm not super caught up yet, I'll read things more carefully tonight, but it looks to me like Holyflare is pretty suspicious.
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Read/skimmed the thread. So now I actually know a little bit about what happened.
Holyflare is town, there is no way he is mafia this game. And I will sheep him.
I still think that DanelerH is town. Most likely mafia are scott and Tictock IMO, I am really liking a scott lynch. I really do think that geript is town and Koshi is probably town so that leaves me at scott, Tictock, Palmar.
But I'm not sold entirely on TT and Palmar yet. The reason I doubted scott was the emotional quitting post but he came back like nothing happened amd still dodged thr spreadsheet thing. So I will vote for him.
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So, I hate to be that guy with all of the excuses.
But in addition to setting up my apartment taking significantly longer than I thought, we also don't have internet here due to circumstances out of our control. And it'll be a few days until we can get that fixed, which isn't making it very easy to play mafia.
I forget exactly what the arguments presented against me were. I think that Palmar said something about being "under the radar", which is actually a situation that I tried to avoid by claiming scum at the start of the game (in an attempt to draw attention and be able to interact with people enough before I left for college in case I was busier once college started). But whatever. I think that scott31337 said something about associations with Holyflare, and unflipped association is not a very good argument. I forget if he said anything else or not.
I think I remember Tictock posting some big long thing with a bunch of quotes. I think that the main thing was that I didn't explain exactly everything that I was doing. If you will allow the use of meta to save time, if you look at my town play (maybe in the second half of my time at TL Mafia or so), you will see the same thing. I will tell people what they need to know, and no more. I'll make a case if I am confident in someone being mafia and persuasion is necessary, but otherwise there is little need. Lately I've been trying to add a bit more explanation to make it easier to read me. The point being, this is something that I do as town.
Meta aside, Tictock picked on my vote switch D1. I thought that scott31337 and Tumblewood were both scummy, and went back and forth as to which one I wanted to lynch more. In the end, Tumblewood's seemingly not playing for townreads made me want to lynch scott31337 a bit more. As for Day 2, I still don't know for sure who the mafia is. I wish I did, but I don't.
Tictock
scott31337
Palmar
Geript
Koshi
I think that the three mafia are in there. I think that scott31337 is by far the most likely mafia. Geript and Koshi feel very much like town to me but I should still check them again at some point.
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The main point of hesitation that I have about Tictock is that he scumread Holyflare once and has voiced suspicion of him at other times. To me, Tictock's mafia play tends to be reactive and under the radar; I don't feel like he's a player who wants to take the forefront as mafia. And his Day 1 (up until the last two minutes) seemed solid.
That said his scum play is actually pretty decent. One big tell is that his activity and involvement increases when he needs to survive when he's mafia. And to me, that seems present in this game, both Day 1 after Tumblewood's push started, and with his latest series of posts and reads (after vanishing Night 1 while being suspected). To me, that activity pattern makes by far the most sense from mafia; were Tictock town, I would think that he'd want to follow up the lynch more, since his big suspect Tumblewood was still alive. Or explain himself for his strange vote switch away from the guy he was super confident was mafia. Or something. Vanishing for a while feels mafia-motivated.
So I could definitely see Tictock as mafia this game, and I think he has a decent chance of being mafia, but there are a few things that give me pause.
As for scott31337, he keeps coming back in and posting, but the amount of content (even quality aside) doesn't make sense to me. It doesn't feel like he plays to a conclusion in reads (to me, one example of this is say, you make a read on everyone, now it's natural for you to be done because you made a read on everyone); instead, he seems to leave at random times and when he's present, it's hard for me to see direction across his play. It also feels very mafia-motivated in timing, it feels like he is more involved when there is more pressure on him.
So I'd rather lynch scott31337.
Good night.
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Is now a good time to say that I am leaving a bit more than two hours before the deadline and might not make it back in time?
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On August 31 2016 20:19 Palmar wrote:
Like my vote was there for a very simple reason, that I gave immediately. To me it looked as if I was presented with two options
a) Kill Rels
b) Kill scott
Of those two, I chose a). I actually stand by that choice, I don't really think Scott is scum On September 02 2016 01:37 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2016 00:17 Vivax wrote:On September 02 2016 00:15 Holyflare wrote:
How come you want palmar over your wagon of purity and definitely scott is mafia wagon of justice vivax? Given the choice I will lynch scott first, but right now we have better chances of getting a wagon going if we start voting Palmar. Everything I write on scott gets ignored anyway but scott is not mafia All this insight! Am I not the greatest? On September 03 2016 00:03 Palmar wrote:
Scott: I liked one post by him on day 1 so weakest townread ever? I don't really know, another person I have less formed opinion on. On September 04 2016 20:53 Palmar wrote:
There's like 1% chance Scott is mafia everyone talking about lynching him in the night should be looked at The only actual reason given towards any read on scott31337 is that Palmar liked one (unspecified) post by him on Day 1. There is no other explanation whatsoever.
Palmar still hasn't been doing very much. He thinks that Holyflare is mafia, but he still has done very little about it this whole game. He hasn't been passionate about his pushes at all (example being Day 1 where he scumreads geript very strongly, enough to point back at that continually later in the game, but then votes for Tumblewood to make Koshi happy instead of lynching his strong scumread).
I could definitely lynch Palmar.
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So, Palmar, can you explain your reads on scott31337 in the posts that I quoted, then, please? And by "no, not happening, find someone else", do you mean that we're not lynching scott31337, or not lynching you?
On September 06 2016 02:26 Holyflare wrote:
I don't see how palmar not doing anything is different from town palmar though I have that problem with him every game unfortunately. He goes on one rampage push (geript) and then fooks off to oblivion of nk death. I guess there's a chance that I'm wrong, but to me the difference is the caring. When Palmar doesn't do anything as town, he also doesn't try to make it look like he's doing anything, he isn't serious and just jokes around. Here, Palmar's not doing anything but is still playing the game in a serious, normal fashion. Add this to soft-pushing you the whole time, and that's what I think.
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On September 05 2016 09:01 Holyflare wrote:
Ok, also we can't split our votes today, we actually need to consolidate otherwise we could just flat out lose to last minute switches. If you think trfel is actually mafia then convince me. I didn't think he really was at all and all his lists were pretty much identical to mine day 1 (hence why I never said anything about him).
I find it hard to reason that ticktock suddenly starts scum reading him after using trfel as an example to scum read me on day 2 for trfl's analytical approach vs my not doing anything approach. Suddenly trfl hasn't done anything and was instead wishy washy? I don't buy it.
I also absolutely hate all of Scott's reads (lets be real I'm talking about myself) which are entirely and purely associative based on an unflipped player (trfl), ticktock was also happy to just plonk his afk vote on scott yesterday and then fook off. Scott also just posted multiple vote counts with coloured names that lept to a really strange conclusion and suddenly ticktock is all aboard riding with him when he basically spent an entire cycle SCUM reading me for doing the same thing.
I think ticktock is very likely mafia since he's jumping on all of these opportune things and being incredibly inconsistent and writing all these narratives.
I'm gonna try and make a nice formatted post with evidence and quotes but you guys better play. I can't carry you forever, 100% dead if I get it right today. This is about what I was going to say about Tictock, except I'm not as certain as Holyflare is.
Tictock's read on scott31337 feels very weird throughout the game. Initially, he was townreading scott31337 for being carefree and active. Then, when he read his filter Day 1, he decided that scott31337 hadn't actually been contributing to the game, and provided several reasons why scott31337 could be mafia, but said he still didn't want to lynch him. Then after the lynch, he gave several more reasons why scott31337 is mafia and put him at mafia in his list post. Only to townread him because he didn't think that scott31337 would make a push like this as mafia.
So, scott31337's push: vote for Trfel quite a long time after his activity dropped to barely above the one post per 24 hour limit. Who said that he was moving into college and was busy. Who was already being suspected by Palmar and Koshi. That's not a hard lynch.
And the constant soft-push on Holyflare is pretty ridiculous. Since his list post, he's only said suspicious things about Holyflare, but generally just arguing with Holyflare, instead of discussing his scumread on Holyflare with other people. And Day 3, throughout, he's seemed very fine with ignoring Holyflare, even though he keeps thinking that Holyflare is suspicious.
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So, assuming that I am right and the mafia team is scott31337, Tictock, and Palmar, with DanelerH on scott31337 and no guarantee that he returns to play, and geript on DanelerH and refusing to move his vote, and Koshi on me, the game is over.
So yeah. I still haven't had a chance to read Koshi's filter, so maybe he's mafia, but everyone else is townreading him for meta. Maybe geript is mafia, but I do think that he's town. So I'll guess that all three mafia are in scott31337, Tictock, Palmar, and Koshi, with Koshi being the less likely of the four, but still possible.
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Yeah, like I said, I'm sorry for my poor activity. I should not have signed up for this game.
I did not expect moving into college to be anywhere near as time consuming as it was, and I could not have forseen not having internet in our room. But I simply don't have the activity or the time to effectively play a mafia game, and I'm sorry that everyone else has to deal with it. You deserve better.
I was wrong on Tumblewood, I was wrong on Race Bannon, I might be wrong on some more as well. I was right on Rels, though, so at least that's something.
But criticizing my play for lack of effort is simply false. I was the first one to point out inconsistencies in geript's first big posts. I pointed out the Race Bannon read inconsistency. No one noticed my post. I first brought up the Tictock meta point that Tumblewood later raised. I've been providing reads with examples and explanations throughout the game.
I've provided analysis of scott31337, Palmar, and Tictock. I've shared suspicious points, provided a two-sided analysis, and invited discussion with the suspect and the rest of the thread. But no one cares to respond or comment.
And I'm being scumread and lynched for completely nonsense reasons, but no one cares either. The people lynching me seem to not care whatsoever that the other people are lynching me for nonsense reasons, but instead only care that I'm being lynched.
Have a good day.
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Geript I strongly believe that DanelerH is town.
Will you vote Tictock with Holyflare and I?
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Leaving now. Vote for Tictock
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Geript, I'm sorry if you are town
Our frisbee game ended much earlier than I expected.
I don't really like a geript lynch but I like it a bit more than a Trfel lynch.
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Holyflare is there any way that you could be persuaded to lynch scott31337 or Tictock instead? Or anyone else?
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If geript and DanelerH are here and willing I would switch to Tictock.
Geript's not even voting to save himself. And I know it's not because the counterwagon is mafia.
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On September 06 2016 05:52 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2016 05:51 Trfel wrote:
If geript and DanelerH are here and willing I would switch to Tictock.
Geript's not even voting to save himself. And I know it's not because the counterwagon is mafia. Tell me why we would switch off geript? Geript hasn't felt very involved at choosing lynches and influential in the game. But that aside, he's provided a ton of posts that show that he is thinking about the game. He's been referencing meta in a very geript-y way*, he's been talking about his thought process openly and honestly, and he's not voting to save himself here.
*Geript as town uses unique meta reads on players that can be scary accurate. I remember this from the Fullmetal game where he was town and destroyed the mafia team (including me). I see some of those same reads here. I honestly don't know if he does it as mafia but it's an integral part of his thought process here, so it makes him look more like town.
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Okay, I guess I'll just hope that you guys are right and I am wrong then.
Fortunately, betting against myself tends to be a pretty good strategy.
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On September 06 2016 06:02 beentheredonethat wrote:
geript, a brave pilot (VT), has been lynched. Wrong flip.....
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On September 06 2016 06:03 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2016 06:02 beentheredonethat wrote:
geript, a brave pilot (VT), has been lynched. Wrong flip..... Nvm I'm an idiot, carry on
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On September 06 2016 06:05 beentheredonethat wrote:
I don't think I fucked up? You were right, my bad.
I've been a little off today.
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Yes the game is over. Mafia wins.
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Meh. Well played by mafia.
I really am sorry about Day 2 and Day 3, much of town's error is my fault for afk lynching Day 2 and not being able to clear myself Day 3.
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I deserve it for not sticking with night kill analysis
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