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On August 29 2016 06:21 Koshi wrote: I will be playing superslow. Still banking all that mad respect from last game. also possibly mafia | ||
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On August 29 2016 06:30 disformation wrote: please enlighten me. for instantly disappearing after posting a 2 character post? Is that a meta thing for him? Ah fantastic. No, it's absolutely not a meta thing. You see, one of the most underrated difficult things to do in mafia is to "enter" the thread. Rels' entrance was, unlike just about everyone else on the frontpage, completely unattached to the game or to anything else going on in it. If he was in the thread at the time, he definitely had the time to read the like... 5? posts that had been posted, or at least stuck around to say one or two more things. But no, he came into the thread, because there is an inherent pressure on people to actually participate in threads, especially mafia feel like "I must post". Yet he clearly had no real will or intention to stay in the thread, as his silence since that one greeting proves. He is, of the people that posted early, by far the most likely to be mafia. | ||
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On August 29 2016 06:35 Tumblewood wrote: maybe palmar's mafia that's not what I said though | ||
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On August 29 2016 06:36 Tumblewood wrote: idk I feel like if you applied that read to every situation you'd lynch scum the same amount as normal. no, if YOU applied such a read to every situation that'd happen. We're not really playing the same cards, you and I. | ||
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On August 29 2016 06:46 Trfel wrote: Oh boy, disformation, I can't wait to see how you react if/when I actually push you  For you less meta-inclined people, Palmar and Vivax are very likely town ^^ at least if Trfel is mafia and ever flips I'm spewed confirmed town status. That's nice. | ||
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On August 29 2016 07:07 Race Bannon wrote: I hope the host provided the scumteam with the VT flavor, or this will be a concise town victory. pro tip before you do anything dumb, comparing pms to figure out alignments is generally modkillable and bannable. | ||
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On August 29 2016 07:29 Race Bannon wrote: Calling people morons is too. only when it's incorrect. | ||
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I don't think that changes Race's thought patter. Like, why would anyone make that "mistake" as any other role than vanilla town. Like there's basically 99% chance he read his role pm, figured that it would be hard for mafia to fake it and just rolled with it. The alternative scenario that he is mafia, figures that vanilla role pm might be weird, and instead of begging host for it (if he genuinely didn't know it was in the op) and decides to come up with this weird ruse hoping someone jumps it (like I'm doing now) and calls him town for it. It's just way too complicated. The simple solution is, Race Bannon is town. probably. (maybe). | ||
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On August 29 2016 07:35 Race Bannon wrote: I'm Kang ®§, the general. pls vig this man | ||
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On August 29 2016 18:40 Koshi wrote: And reading his filter it is still easily in range of scum Palmar. This is not true and you know it's not true. | ||
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Also, Rels still afk? wow such caught. | ||
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But you're meant to be like... not awful. Such is my burden, I must decide who is awful and who is mafia. I recommend you call me town because that's really helpful to me. | ||
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On August 29 2016 18:45 Palmar wrote: geript's two long posts are awful. He quotes a bunch of my posts and gives random commentary, then proceeds to make his conclusion some joke about marv. Also, Rels still afk? wow such caught. Like to elaborate further on the geript thing. It's of special notice that when he is posting, Rels is clearly running away with the vote, and as such, geript should be paying attention to that part of the game, yet all he says about my case is "i am not impressed" without giving any further reasoning about it. In his conclusion he states "Rels is useless as usual" or something like that, which is like the weakest possible stance you can take on the person currently up for lynch. Like I would've been fine if geript's criticism was actually explained, or thought out at all. His long posts really stick out as "I'm gonna quote a bunch of shit and add random commentary so it looks like I'm doing things". Essentially, despite the long form of his posts, what he has done is basically written a glorified list post that looks something like this: On August 29 2016 15:05 geript wrote: Town HF Koshi Vivax Leaning Town Trfel Null Palmar Scott Rels Scum Tumble RB disfo Not that lists aren't fine, they're often a good way to gauge where someone stands on a game, but meeeehhh~~~ Also, he completely disregarded my point on RB which I still think is an excellent point. So yeah. geript's entrance is shit. | ||
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On August 29 2016 18:51 disformation wrote: TBH I am surprisingly cool with "my" meta thing on palmar. And ofc I am willing to reevaluate as the game goes on. Need my waffelz! Nah seriously I'll call Palmar town. Does anyone have an opinion on HF? Cause I kinda dont and I am scared by that. he has about 24 hours to be super smart. If all he does is get into arguments he's mafia. like seriously, if I ever get killed this game and holyflare comes under suspicion. If you find yourself arguing complex logic with him you are GOING TO LOSE. Also it means he's mafia. Like his primary strategy as scum is to just argue people into the ground when they accuse him. | ||
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On August 29 2016 19:03 Koshi wrote: The RB conclusion I didn't agree with. He said in his WoT that RB was most likely town but could be spite lynched, and then in the end RB ended up being mafia anyway. Other than that I am pretty ok with geript atm. How do you not agree with that. Actually, better yet: Draw me up a scenario where RB is mafia and posts that comment. Explain his thought process. (was he aware of all role pms being in the OP? Did he plan the comment to get town cred, anticipating a reaction like mine?) Explain exactly what happened in his head as mafia that caused him to make that post, and I'll accept that he can be mafia. | ||
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Literally the tactic is, when he starts rant-arguing with people is to stick fingers in your ears, yell "can't hear you over the sound of how awesome Palmar is" and lynch him. | ||
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On August 29 2016 19:18 Race Bannon wrote:  I am the most polarizing element in the game, hijole! I should do something other than mimicking Slam. Out of curiosity, why did you talk about the vanilla role pm? Give us YOUR version of it. | ||
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Koshi's point on geript is by far the best thing we have in the thread. I'll re-explain it if required. | ||
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On August 29 2016 14:45 geript wrote: Probably true, but I want to lynch him just for bringing it up. Notice the "probably true". He agrees with my logic (and it's perfect logic, my RB read is literlally the best thing in this thread). Geript actually agrees that objectively RB's thought process should lead people to conclude he is town. On August 29 2016 15:05 geript wrote: Overall: HF, Koshi and Vivax are probably town. I'll put them there for now at least. I think I'll put Ticktock up there too, but I feel a bit waffly about him. Palmar's in plammar limbo, if for no other reason than he hasn't convince Marv to play. Tumblewood, Race and Disinfo are probably scum; I'm tempted to throw Dane in there too but I kinda think he just doesn't know how to play. Trfel I'll figure out for sure when he makes an actual case, but I'd guess he's just bad town. Scott's sorta weird; like he seems to talk around issues; he's posting a bit more than I remember him usually posting. I sorta kinda like a bit of his stuff, but he avoids actual stuff and just seems to chip in to get other people to talk about stuff and that gives me the heebiejeebies. Rels is uselss as usual. and yet he somehow ends up in geript's scumlist. Which basically proves the point that I was trying to make that geript's random commentary is just that, completely random and has no relevance to what he's actually thinking. His summary does not match with his commentary, because he's disassociated from his reads, ie: they're not real because they're not real. He's mafia. This is actually a really, really good day 1 case guys. Get in line. | ||
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On August 29 2016 23:33 disformation wrote: still want rels to gtf into thread and play though. rels is currently 100% vigilante shot if we have one. | ||
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On August 30 2016 01:47 geript wrote: Pretty simple. I ignored the initial pm post. That's the type of shit that flat out ruins games one way or another. At the time he had a short filter with an exceptionally unusual scum pair (Koshi + someone iirc). I remember missing it initially but when TT and TW were talking, TT had this awful townread reasoning and TW made a short post on how he and Koshi couldn't be scum together. And it got me thinking about how Race could ever pair those two. It's such an odd pairing that it stuck in my mind. For the thread: That post (by TW) was made after RB posted his read, so it cannot (given a normal timeline) have influenced geript's concern about RB's pair. And that's if you even believe that throwing two people as possible mafia must mean you've also associated them enough to make sure they can be scum together. Hell geript even forgets who was the in the pair, and then remembers next line. We're going to have ourselves a dead geript for dinner. | ||
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On August 30 2016 03:49 Holyflare wrote: Also someone explain to me how geript is leading the votes? How have you not been paying attention to my posts? | ||
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On August 30 2016 04:27 Holyflare wrote: I didn't think they were very good at all so no. so you think it's completely irrelevant that geript disagrees with himself, and additionally you'd rather pick a fight with me? | ||
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On August 30 2016 05:37 Holyflare wrote: Enough talking about geript and tw, let's focus on you know, the rest of the game? Dane comes in and can only focuses on one person to vote (geript) but it's basically a sheep, returns and seems annoyed that they got called out and maintain that they are still voting geript when voti why? | ||
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On August 30 2016 05:43 Koshi wrote: Palmar, Vivax, TW My best guesses for mafia. jesus koshi | ||
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Do you sincerely believe I mafia? If so, why? | ||
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The fact you pointed our geript's inconsistency regarding his RB read means you're maybe town, or at least, I'm never going to lynch you today, so I'm just going to a happier place where I pretend you don't exist. That way I get to play the game without having to deal with you today! This may be the smartest thing I've done in a while. | ||
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On August 30 2016 06:07 Holyflare wrote: Because rels is afk and making a case on a two word post is bad and you know it. You could be sitting here all day and he could come back and be town and your mafia plan of distracting town to do absolutely nothing would be successful. Geript's inconsistency isn't really an inconsistency at all and what he says aligns with everything I was pretty much thinking so he's not likely to be mafia. Other people have done scummy stuff. This isn't rocket science and I certainly shouldn't have to explain it to you of all people wtf. uh... did I say anything about Rels? Because I don't think I said anything about Rels? You said people should stop talking about tw and geript, which I happen to think are excellent people to talk about. This post is really, really bad. HF is probably mafia too. | ||
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Partly because I admire the fact Koshi wrote a case that looks good and I want to support a good effort. Mostly though because he put me in "null/I don't care" category. | ||
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And Vivax should probably not be lynched almost solely the fact that he's actually playing the game, which he tends to avoid as mafia. But that's a shitty meta logic so don't count too much on it. | ||
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Just pretend that you're aware of the fact that Vivax is a self-righteous asshole, and read that sentence again. Voila. That sentence is objectively against town agenda, but it's also obviously so, which means Vivax was perfectly aware of how shit it was when he posted it. This means he either chose to act scummy as mafia, or he acted scummy as town because he didn't care. If anything I think the town scenario is more likely. that's not to say I'm going to 100% townread him, but I think we have better options today. + Show Spoiler + self-righteous assholes unite! | ||
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Which tends to be a rather large category for me. As a complete sidenote, the things I'm good at in mafia are day 1 scumhunting on one hand, and organizing/leading town on the other. The only reason I'm good at day 1 scumhunting is because I'm not too worried about townreading mafia on day 1. My entire strategy is to slowly remove people from the pool of candidates I want to lynch, and then hopefully there's proportionally more mafia left in the pool than in the game itself, increasing my chance of hitting one. For reference, I'm probably not lynching Koshi, TT, disfo, Vivax, RB today. Almost all of them for effort or me agreeing with things they say, except RB. | ||
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On August 30 2016 23:10 Vivax wrote: HF is very sheepable this game. Moreso than Palmar, even though he will hate me for saying this. I never get who the hell Dan talks about when he says xym/xe, there is no player going by that name can you for the love of god use the actual names or do you have a chinese autocorrect turned on? HF has done literally nothing worth noticing. | ||
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On August 30 2016 23:21 Race Bannon wrote: I could've said this as vt, pr, scum or sk.. I repeat, it was a wifom reaction test. No. Turn around, walk a few steps and stay put at maybe. a) I don't believe you. People don't make reaction tests that look like that. b) I have no idea why you're so adamantly arguing not being VT. Literally every single player in the game wants to be a VT. Blues want VT to avoid shots, reds want VT to avoid lynches and greens don't care one way or the other. I don't think it actually means much, it's just weird. | ||
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On August 31 2016 01:54 Vivax wrote: Wrong. He is a strong proponent of the TW lynch, contrary to you even took notice and commented on the case on scott, pressured Danieler, and disagreed with your geript case. Overall he has been doing discussion that looks fruitful to me, while you seem to be very selective about the things you want to talk about or reply to. HF 1 Palmar 0 No I just ignore most of the things you write. I'm pretty cool with talking about most other things. | ||
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On August 31 2016 01:57 DanelerH wrote: I have another question for you, Vivax. There are a couple of things off about this post. The intro of the post alone is odd, but you also seem to agree with the theory for no reason. Could you clarify these? It's irrelevant, he was just supporting a fairly nonsensical early game push by me because he knows the value of getting a game started. However, Vivax clearly lied about being fanboy of mine, he's the president of the palmar hate fanclub because he wants to be like me but he just aint. so lynch vivax because of LAL | ||
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On August 31 2016 01:57 Tumblewood wrote:  if this vote is still here by deadline Palmar is 100 million percent mafia Explain why this must be true. Also, how did you not have an opinion on me in the early game when I was probably one of the most prominent players during that phase of the game? | ||
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On August 31 2016 02:02 Tumblewood wrote: ok this is not the game where I go back to lynchbait meta look me in the eyes and tell me that an inconsistent read progression is a trait of my scum games and not my town games because this is what a) I used to get lynched for everyfuckingtime and b) is bad logic and untrue No, my primary reason for lynching you is the fact your list of people who you have opinion on were mostly lower content people and other players that were only tangentially involved with the game. You ignored me, geript (leading lynch at the time, I think), koshi, disfo etc, all players who either were talking a lot or being talked about a lot. Yet you had somehow managed to form an opinion on super background-y players like scott and daneler. It doesn't add up with someone genuinely reading the thread. | ||
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That also doesn't add up, because by that logic you should read small posts. The people with the largest amount of posts this game are disfo, koshi, trfel, palmar, holyflare (in that order). You only gave a comment on one of use. and not a single one of those people is in the top 5 list of "words per post". so yeah | ||
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On August 31 2016 02:03 Tumblewood wrote: because I don't try to read you because I'm usually wrong and paranoid. not until I see d1 flip at least I am literally one of the easiest people on TL mafia to read. I don't know since when the insanity that I'm somehow difficult to read started, but it's getting real old to be called mafia when I'm playing super townie. Like I decided this game "hey I'll be somewhat aggressive and try to push people to play correctly (build cases, sheep intelligently, work with logic)" and the result is baddies call me mafia because only mafia palmar can play this much like town hurr durr. | ||
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On August 31 2016 02:17 Tumblewood wrote: and why tf are you counting words per post anyway because we must bow down to our statistics gods | ||
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I think geript is a better lunch. There is a vey concise and simple point against him | ||
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On August 31 2016 05:47 Holyflare wrote: like the only thing that doesn't make me want to lynch tw right now is palmar and that's bad Actually Pálmar is usually good | ||
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I did not switch after he claimed blue, or if I did it was only because phone posting is slower. I switched, as stated, because of the two options left on the table I wanted to kill Rels over scott. | ||
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On August 31 2016 06:53 Holyflare wrote: basically palmar's vote was shit and I thought palmar was increasingly likely to be mafia but wanted the nks or w/e to clear it up or leave a death post to save me putting actual effort in and pushing him but then rels came and voted you soooooooooooo Good on you dropping all these knowledge bombs when they're irrelevant. | ||
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On August 31 2016 07:21 Trfel wrote: Palmar, why does someone claiming mean that you have to stick with the lynch? (ignoring time issues) You always, always lynch people who claim on day 1. The only exception is a completely open setup (ie: we know exactly what the setup is). The reason is that these people are up for lynch for a lynch for a good reason, they've acted scummy in some way. Rels was extremely unattached to this game. So if they randomly claim you have two options: a) wait for all the blues to claim/die (this usually happens around day 3-5?) to see if the claim fits the setup b) kill him instantly. If a mafia fake-claims on day 1, and town buys it, you've just reduced your chances of hitting red for the first 3-4 days of the game by a third. This is incredibly bad for town. The whole idea is really simple. If you're blue, don't get yourself lynched, play decently on day 1 and you'll be fine. If you've played badly enough to put yourself in the position where you might be lynched, that's your problem. | ||
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On August 31 2016 19:58 Holyflare wrote: And how is this irrelevant when it's literally what he asked? I just picked one of your posts at random to quote. The entire point is, why on earth didn't you say all these things BEFORE the lynch. The "I wanted to wait for nks" is the most bullshit excuse I've ever seen. | ||
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On August 31 2016 06:00 Race Bannon wrote: There's something I noticed about myself. I fucking hate it when the acting is so bad that I'm constantly being reminded of how it's a movie I'm watching. Either the acting, sometimes the casting irrevocably dooms that department entirely, or the camera keeps shaking stupidly erratic, especially when 3d, my word. Is it so hard to empathize with the viewer experience and just take Alejandro Inarritu's success as a hint? FFS, and the mobile phones.. the stupid kids with their availability issues. The same goes for people breaking the reading experience in forum mafia. When I'm hosting I'll totally modkill, and taste the full flavor of the subsequent bitch-fest and enjoy it to the fullest, when someone looses even a coherent sentence about anything other than game-relevant material, except material used for jokes or whatever. I vehemently denounce this entitlement of a player to think they can bring into this picture their real life persona, what they're doing or would like to do outside of this game.. who the fuck wants to see a player as anything other than the cog in the machinery. Random people .. evoking contexts like wht they eat, where they drive, dota and wow .. what? Why is this relevant to my experience? I am well advised to decide that scum could just as well lie about being unavailable and some such, so where's the fucking point of interluding the flow of relevant conversation, just to "announce" I'll want to play dota .. like "wrap this up people, I got somewhere to be". No you don't you piece of shit. You don't exist outside the context of this game, for anyone inside this game. .. For real. Sry, meant to play but had to get this off my chest. I saw this post yesterday and really wanted to reply to it. This, of course, has nothing to do with the game at hand. Your view, RB, of the game, is extremely puritan. I understand why you feel this way, but it is simply not how we've run TL Mafia for pretty much it's entire existence. Throughout the years, many of us have become good friends and we do stuff together outside of mafia. We play video games, hang out in voice chat and play voice mafia, or simply just talk. If I were playing with people I had never met, and perhaps that is the case for your, being a relative newcomer to this community, I would probably treat it the same. However, it becomes almost impossible to maintain the facade that we don't know each other after a certain point. It's of course important to note, that despite us saying these things, giving these little insights into our lives, none of us actually genuinely believe everything we say about our real lives. We blatantly admit to lying if it fits us, I think it was Holyflare who once took a picture of some boxes and pretended to be moving or something? I think that's maybe close to the line of what is acceptable, but it's a funny story when we look back. And some of the rhetoric is almost just politeness. I generally point out if I don't have a computer and am on the go with only my phone, because my posts are going to be shorter, less coherent and constructed, and will not include much formatting or quotes. Sometimes I say things for theatrical effect. "Fuck you guys, I'm playing dota", is less about playing dota and more of a dismissal to the thread. And sometimes real life is simply relevant. It's a well known fact that I have a family that I generally spend time with during the weekends, and thus I tend to play not too much on Saturdays and Sunday (hence scott's joke regarding me playing on a Sunday night). Another example of when real life is relevant is timing. Most deadlines fall on afternoon in US time, to accommodate to our large base of EU players. Thus it might be relevant if someone is unable to be around during the deadline, having other obligations. No one is going to give him a pass based on that, but that doesn't mean people can't let the thread know. (As a sidenote, I'm sure I saw someone read this post and take it as anything other than a rant about an issue not related to the game, and that is really bad). | ||
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On August 31 2016 20:07 Holyflare wrote: Because I don't really want to interact with you because you're annoying. And lynching you d1 for being shitty isn't always the best plan when I had actual cases on people? Didn't you kill Rels? And then you tried to blame me for it. In fact, if my vote on him was so shit, why didn't you remove yours? | ||
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a) Kill Rels b) Kill scott Of those two, I chose a). I actually stand by that choice, I don't really think Scott is scum | ||
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On August 31 2016 20:23 Holyflare wrote: Have you even read this game or are you just applying random statements to what you think happened? Your vote on geript was bad and made me hesitate. The real question at hand is why on God's earth did you vote rels when he was voting for the lynch YOU wanted?? AND you claim you didn't see him write he was blue?? My vote on geript wasn't bad, and hell, it turns out it was him who wants to "instalynch" RB for having a bit of a rant about game philosophy. Geript has objectively done things that should always make him mafia, most atrocious was him believing my conclusion about RB then making him scum anyway. And secondly, you know I NEVER rely on associative reads. I don't care if Rels is voting someone who has no chance of flipping day, regardless of that person or Rels' alignment. What I care about is lynching the people who sound and play most like mafia, and given the option, those were Rels and Scott. Even if Rels is voting for geript, what if I'm wrong about geript? What if it's a weird semi-bus for later credit? It's simply stupid to think this way, and I'm surprised you'd think I think this way. When I made the switch, I was unaware of Rels having claimed blue, but that would NOT have changed the outcome. In fact, if I had decided to stay on the off-train (geript), I would probably have switched anyway had I seen the blue claim. Because I do not believe last minute blue claims at all. I | ||
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I guess I'll have to do the "Palmar defends himself against the no brakes train to loseville" once again. | ||
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On August 31 2016 20:36 Holyflare wrote: How on earth is it stupid? You should always think that people thinking similar to you are extremely likely to be town. You didn't even really push geript at all, you've been a non entity this game despite actually posting in it. There's nothing association based about it at all. And most heinous of all is ignoring my case on tw but then voting tw later on from koshis case which was essentially a ctrl c of my case and then saying i did nothing. Don't believe you can think that ever. No way. ok hello holyflare would you like a banana? | ||
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On August 31 2016 21:22 Vivax wrote: Palmar just SKYROCKETED up my scumcharts. Thanks Palmar that's ok. we know, from experience, your scumchart is almost identical to the real scumchart, except reversed. so yay me! | ||
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holyflare because sitting on ass and doing nothing on day 1, then going ham during the night because that's the best way to play trfel because his RB post sounded like bullshit, but I'm not sure on this one lynch the other two, always. | ||
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On September 01 2016 00:34 disformation wrote: random tinfoil: why is vivax only going after easy targets? scott is know to get misslyched a ton (no offense) and geript has like no time to play. to be entirely fair vivax wants to lynch me. That's not really an easy target. And I don't think anyone is actually serious about lynching me other than Vivax and HF, but hf is mafia so that barely counts. | ||
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On September 01 2016 00:23 Vivax wrote: The worst I found is this. Geript goes WTF on TW, then ends up calling TT's reason to TR somebody terrible. No mention of TW at all here. His comment wasn't as WTF as it looks to be, it's rather ignored to jump to what TT said. Yet geript somehow ends up putting TW as mafia. Later asks somebody to give him a summary for why TW is mafia when he's already supposed to have his own. Can't find any besides an earlier mention of minus points for TW refusing to explain Palmar suspicion. Main point still is that geript had TW as scum for unclear reasons earlier, which he completely forgot around EoD when he wasted his vote on Danieler when he could have at least lynched scott for giving him the heebiejeebies. This here is a very similar (and very valid) point to the one I made on day 1 regarding geript's RB read. The concept is exactly the same: geript doesn't have any kind of internal consistency in his reads. I'm fine with people changing their minds, but this isn't as much changing his mind as it is just him saying random stuff at random times. | ||
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On August 30 2016 05:37 Holyflare wrote: Enough talking about geript and tw, let's focus on you know, the rest of the game? Dane comes in and can only focuses on one person to vote (geript) but it's basically a sheep, returns and seems annoyed that they got called out and maintain that they are still voting geript when voti This is still one of the worst posts in the game. Just for the record. | ||
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On August 30 2016 04:57 Holyflare wrote: When it comes down to it and I read your posts I see a lot of geript saying smart things that I agree with (your case on rels is totally subpar and he is useless) and the RB thing isn't particularly alignment indicative (I know for sure I've tried to abuse this as mafia before and it's been abused against me). He also agrees with my reads and smart towny people do that. As far as contradiction I don't particularly see much. HF's tiny brain doesn't see particularly much contradiction in the contradiction. | ||
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On September 01 2016 02:19 Holyflare wrote: And palmar your "worst post in the game" is bull shit because it was in reference to the 2 people ariund rehashing the same reads amd ignoring my posts I love fried chicken. | ||
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On September 01 2016 03:26 Trfel wrote: I feel really stupid making a case on the person who is now dead, and didn't even read their role PM. Good job to me. Tbf I literally townread him for reading his role pm, which he didn't | ||
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On September 01 2016 04:39 Holyflare wrote: Also palmar really saying I did nothing during the cycle yet basically sheeped my case is hilariously mafia. Sometimes I like to pretend I'm a princess | ||
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On September 01 2016 05:10 scott31337 wrote: Amen Koshi - The only part I disagree with (but I still think HF is town) is he can post a butt load as mafia too, are you referring to "content" and quality, and not just aruging/spamming,right? Do you not disagree with the part where he calls two townies mafia? Aka his entire post? | ||
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geript hasn't really tried to get anything done this game. he just exists, he is just there, he doesn't really push or do anything. also remember that holyflare will argue you into the ground. It's best to talk about irrelevant things to him while voting him. | ||
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On September 01 2016 22:14 Holyflare wrote: He got caught slipping and afkd to play wow is my guess? to be fair this expension is starting out really good | ||
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On September 01 2016 23:50 Vivax wrote: Mostly though we need to get rid of Palmars smugness so he can't hide behind it to have an excuse not to post. I'm only a humble man | ||
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On September 02 2016 00:17 Vivax wrote: Given the choice I will lynch scott first, but right now we have better chances of getting a wagon going if we start voting Palmar. Everything I write on scott gets ignored anyway but scott is not mafia All this insight! Am I not the greatest? | ||
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On September 02 2016 01:30 DanelerH wrote: I dislike doing that, though. I want to make sure my posts say what I want them to say so I can properly get my point across. That's right, don't take mafia advice | ||
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On September 02 2016 05:58 Koshi wrote: Pfff. I am sad that the people who should show activity aren't doing it. Palmar. Tfrel. TW. Maybe even Scott. Come on. I have made my case. I fine with this house burning down around me. | ||
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We're all perfectly aware of it being insane, but it's fun and it tangentially makes a tiny bit of sense and it feeds our starving paranoia. So we roll with it! | ||
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I don't have the energy to argue against the train of stupidity that's coming after me. so instead I'll just share what I think is relevant in this game and you guys can then either listen to me now, or you can listen to me later. Koshi: Almost definitely town. He is, in his own bad way, trying to get the game solved. Also, it's literally his town meta to think I'm mafia and be wrong about it. He's also not just tunneling one thing (for example he's not just tunneling me, he's actually doing other stuff). I liked his case on TW at the time on day 1, although I don't really think TW is mafia but I might be wrong on that. He also gets a massive towncredit for pointing out geript's inconsistency during day 1. Vivax: Essentially the same as Koshi, effort and stubbornness rating is through the roof compared to what I'd expect of mafia Vivax. He's also being a paranoid baddie which is something he excels at. He has also pointed out inconsistencies (specifically one by geript, I think) that was really good. Trfel: To me, he's been completely under the radar this game. I might try to open his filter and read it before the evening, but so far I've essentially ignored most of his posts, which is often a good indication that someone is mafia (I tend to ignore mafia because their posts are usually bland and boring). Scott: I liked one post by him on day 1 so weakest townread ever? I don't really know, another person I have less formed opinion on. geript: Once again, he's almost lock mafia. His posting has been repeatedly proven to be out of touch with his own reality, and he's basically happy to sit back and let things happen. Holyflare Another basically lock mafia. I'm almost more sure on him than geript. The main problem is that he barely cared during day 1, no matter how much he wants to make it look like he had a hand in the TW push. Then he came in late, helped with some shenanigans that to me made little sense (why didn't he try to shennie onto geript instead?). But even then he was light on actual content. Then during the night he starts hammering me for literally something he made up (trying to paint me bad for the Rels thing). there is 0% chance holyflare actually thinks what he says he's thinking. He's also quite a bit better at scumhunting than Koshi and Vivax and thus should know better than to think I'm mafia. TW I don't know much about his posting today, but I sort of agreed with koshi's initial case, but he didn't sound like mafia when we were talking in the thread. So while I'm not gonna go overboard with it, I think he's more likely to be town. Danieler No idea, not really read his filter much. I think I liked something he said, but I can't remember what or why. Like I don't have him in my mental "these people are scum" group. Tictock Not really read up on him again. I basically gave him a townread when he posted the gif-reads on day 1 and I've not bothered with him since. Maybe it's time, but I think there's much higher mafia chance people. | ||
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On September 02 2016 21:17 Vivax wrote: Geript scumreading me is almost too bad to be scum, for Koshi it's the usual tinfoil he has on me, he just can't accept me being town ever. Fairly standard stuff. I stand by my case (Palmar, TW, scott). If this shitty martir-y Palmar flips town I don't know if I can save this game the next day. I'm not martyr-ing. I'm just playing wow. You really need to wake up and smell the coffee man. | ||
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Why did your shennies target Rels? | ||
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Even then what really sticks out to me is the drastic increase in cares after the flip, when it should've almost been the opposite. | ||
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On September 03 2016 00:43 Holyflare wrote: Also because i felt bad for lynching him so upped my effort and the tt inconsistencies drove me on like a puzzle wanting to be solved. When have I ever been lazy after a lynch? I don't remember that precise meta, but it's not a meta thing. It's just a normal "it makes sense for townies to care during later part of the day and care less during the night" kind of thing. I actually do remember arguing with you for an entire n1 before so who knows. | ||
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On September 03 2016 00:42 Holyflare wrote: Because I'm out at work from 6 to 7 every day and despite what you say that isn't true. I'm only posting at work recently because i have a doctor note saying i can't type so doing admin The 2nd question. Why Rels? | ||
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On September 03 2016 00:46 Koshi wrote: I disagree. Mafia tends to fuck off during the night as well. Night is Night. Massive effort during the night is a lot of the times town driven. Yes, sure. What I'm saying is that normally town effort is like: early day: 70% - late day: 100% - night 90% while mafia is more like early day: 60% - late day: 800% - night 30% Of course super simplified, but you get the point and I pose that HF had something of an anomaly in both ways early day: 50% - late day: 60% - night 100% Which is just weird. I know it isn't even normal mafia. It just feels wrong. Why did he go ham on me after a flip? Why was his first argument for calling me mafia a vote in which I joined a wagon created by him, and even explained why I did so? | ||
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On September 03 2016 00:51 Koshi wrote: Cuz you pissed him off calling him mafia while you called me town for something he also did. And you can't blame him for Rels because TW went for the emotion play and Rels made people angry so we swapped. I blame Rels for Rels. I'm not blaming him, per se, I just want to hear him explain why. I voted Rels. It's not like I started thinking he wasn't doing things AFTER the lynch. He could have tried to lynch me instead right? | ||
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On September 02 2016 07:24 Vivax wrote: TT probs chose to prioritize WoW, geript has a tough job. Tumble and Palmar tho I can see being afk cuz mafia and demoralized by being incessantly pushed. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/iiymtlR.gif) yeah there is no "demotivated" mafia this game with all the blues dead. Mafia is expecting to win this game, 100%. If they don't, they're bad. | ||
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I wanna know why. Maybe it's in his filter, I but I cba checking, and I just wanna hear him explain it. | ||
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On September 03 2016 01:31 Vivax wrote: I got one really tough question for Palmar: Why isn't geript voting for you? Tmi or maybe im terrrible | ||
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On September 03 2016 01:19 Trfel wrote: Caught up with the thread. I really don't know what to do  Part of me wants to lynch Holyflare because I'm being bad and can't find mafia, part of me wants to say that my townread on scott31337 was bad believe in the spreadsheet thing.... Or maybe just stick with Palmar. I guess just stick with Palmar. Because of that one Holyflare post where Palmar can be town and afk, but he can't be town with a scumread on Holyflare and afk. Need to head out now but I'll be back later. This is literally just an excuse for voting me | ||
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On September 03 2016 06:45 DanelerH wrote: The person I want to look into right now is Geript. Day 1 was the only time Geript was suspicious of Tumblewood. As the game progressed to Night 1, the list xe gave for most likely being Mafia consisted of Tictock, Palmar, Scott, Race, and myself. + Show Spoiler + Admittedly, quite some time has passed since then, but Geript never claimed suspicion on Tumblewood after the fact. Let's go over changes Geript made to the list: Near the end of Day 2, the two xe was most suspicious of were Vivax and myself. + Show Spoiler + On September 03 2016 03:42 geript wrote: If rather lynch vivax or Dane. Shortly afterwards, xe stated that Palmar was most likely Town: + Show Spoiler + Assuming there were no other changes to the list, it would probably look something like this: Vivax DanelerH Tictock Scott Despite all of this, Geript voted for Tumblewood. Xe didn't give any reasoning or even a post (except for in the voting thread). Geript, why is this? Hi, welcome to the real world | ||
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On September 03 2016 07:17 Holyflare wrote: Plz reas tivktok honest to god hf: are you scum? I promise to only lynch your teammates and not you if you are. | ||
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On September 03 2016 07:32 Holyflare wrote: NO HOW CAN TOU EVEN THINL THAT YOU TOOL LOKE ANYBE PAYING ATTENTION NNOWS I'M TOSNE ASOLY tijtok vorrd scott with me AND IM HIS ONYSXYIM READ I'm almost tempted to just take that at face value because fuck ti | ||
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On September 03 2016 23:35 DanelerH wrote: I made a post on it earlier: + Show Spoiler + On September 01 2016 07:48 DanelerH wrote: If anyone can back up the bold portion, please do so. I don't know how accurate this is. Regardless, the italicized portion made me check Palmar's filter again and I found out that Koshi is correct about this. Palmar went from: Rels: + Show Spoiler + On August 29 2016 06:33 Palmar wrote: Ah fantastic. No, it's absolutely not a meta thing. You see, one of the most underrated difficult things to do in mafia is to "enter" the thread. Rels' entrance was, unlike just about everyone else on the frontpage, completely unattached to the game or to anything else going on in it. If he was in the thread at the time, he definitely had the time to read the like... 5? posts that had been posted, or at least stuck around to say one or two more things. But no, he came into the thread, because there is an inherent pressure on people to actually participate in threads, especially mafia feel like "I must post". Yet he clearly had no real will or intention to stay in the thread, as his silence since that one greeting proves. He is, of the people that posted early, by far the most likely to be mafia. Palmar didn't give xyr theory on Rels until asked for it. Prior to this, xe only said "Rels is Mafia." On August 29 2016 06:31 Palmar wrote: ok is no one going to ask me how I came up with my theory? what is this? Geript: + Show Spoiler + On August 29 2016 19:00 Palmar wrote: Like to elaborate further on the geript thing. It's of special notice that when he is posting, Rels is clearly running away with the vote, and as such, geript should be paying attention to that part of the game, yet all he says about my case is "i am not impressed" without giving any further reasoning about it. In his conclusion he states "Rels is useless as usual" or something like that, which is like the weakest possible stance you can take on the person currently up for lynch. Like I would've been fine if geript's criticism was actually explained, or thought out at all. His long posts really stick out as "I'm gonna quote a bunch of shit and add random commentary so it looks like I'm doing things". Essentially, despite the long form of his posts, what he has done is basically written a glorified list post that looks something like this: Not that lists aren't fine, they're often a good way to gauge where someone stands on a game, but meeeehhh~~~ Also, he completely disregarded my point on RB which I still think is an excellent point. So yeah. geript's entrance is shit. Tumblewood: + Show Spoiler + On August 30 2016 19:54 Palmar wrote: Voting Tumblewood Partly because I admire the fact Koshi wrote a case that looks good and I want to support a good effort. Mostly though because he put me in "null/I don't care" category. Palmar wasn't the only one suspicious of Tumblewood. Holyflare was suspicous of Tumblewood a long time before this. Despite each of them making a case on the same person, Palmar made the following post: On August 31 2016 01:47 Palmar wrote: HF has done literally nothing worth noticing. Geript (again): + Show Spoiler + On August 31 2016 05:44 Palmar wrote: I am only going to be on phone tonight but for what it's worth I didn't think tw sounded like mafia when we talked today. It's not a strong read nor am I going to hard defend him (don't wanna look like an idiot if he flips mafia) but yeah I think geript is a better lunch. There is a vey concise and simple point against him Rels (again): + Show Spoiler + On August 31 2016 05:59 Palmar wrote: I awitched rather kill Rels than scott This was only 15 minutes later and allegedly wasn't because Blue claim from Rels. On August 31 2016 07:19 Palmar wrote: yeah I don't have to argue this right now so I'm not going to. I did not switch after he claimed blue, or if I did it was only because phone posting is slower. I switched, as stated, because of the two options left on the table I wanted to kill Rels over scott. If Palmar is Mafia, I think it's safe to say that Geript and Tumblewood probably aren't. While I still haven't heard anything new about the bold portion, the italicized portion is still correct. In the part where I'm looking into the italicized portion, I also noted several things, which are also still correct and I believe they hold water. Tumblewood and Geript being Town also falls in line with my hypothesis at the end. The bold portition is sometimes right, but usually when I'm proven right. For some reason this town insists on lynching people I'm not trying to lynch so there's that. The italicized portion is untrue, I 100% am the #1 proponent of lynching hf, and while vivax and koshi have made excellent points on geript, that's also my lynch. But whatever. | ||
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If I die my reads are similar to my big read post. HF is maybe slightly less likely to be mafia, Trfel slightly more and DanielerH slightly more. Geript is still lock mafia. | ||
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I generally completely miss one mafia in a normal mini sized game. It's not a rule, but I do tend to overvalue early townreads. | ||
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On September 05 2016 17:29 Holyflare wrote: Also geript why are you voting off wagons on dane and not trying to force people to consolidate? I'm getting the annoying feeling that palmar was actually right. Been right since day 1. There is no lynch that makes more sense than geript. He's barely done the minimum to stay alive this game. Does anyone remember a push by geript? A post where he tries to passionately make the case that someone should be lynched. He doesn't even look like he cares right now. All he does is sit back and quietly point out various things, and while I like the fact that he doesn't think I'm mafia, there's a distinct possibility that's just tmi and bullshit read. Also, I know we have to consolidate, but I'm not lynching scott. Sure, there's a tiny chance I'm wrong, but there is no way, no way I'm making him the lylo lynch. | ||
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On September 05 2016 18:27 Koshi wrote: This happened to me as well. Then liquiddota happened and for some reason that site is not blocked. there's liquidhearth too | ||
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On September 04 2016 18:01 scott31337 wrote: + Show Spoiler [Mafia that NEVER vote for each other] + Day 1: Final Vote Count Votes:
Day 2: Vote Count #3 Votes:
I so want this to be true, but tbh there is probably left field mafia somewhere. HF seems to at least somewhat care about the game. Daneler or Koshi is a very real possibility. Koshi hasn't really done much since day 1, but meh. | ||
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On September 05 2016 19:59 Koshi wrote: + Show Spoiler + Koshi hasn't done anything D2 xcept push and lynch his preferred lynch TW. Sure Palmar. Sure. gtfo ##vote Palmar Well your lynch was wrong, wasn't it? How about we try it my way now, ok? Did I have any vested interest in objecting to TW's lynch? | ||
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I don't know. I know you're bad and I know your badness really, really shines through in lylo, but if you're town you gotta be less bad for just a bit. | ||
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He has twice shown massive inconsistencies in his own reads. He has done almost nothing to move the game in whatever direction he wants to take it. He only comments on the game occasionally, and usually with little impact. | ||
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So either he's mafia, or the most apathetic townie in history. I'm rolling the dice with scum. | ||
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On September 05 2016 21:37 Koshi wrote: + Show Spoiler + The fact that I did nothing on D2 is a lie. I probably did the most during D2 xcept maybe Vivax. The fact that we lynched town is true. But has nothing to do with that I did nothing. One might argue that I did nothing valuable. But not that I did nothing. Get your facts straight. Lynch all liars. I am not pushing any lynch D3. HF had his lynch D1 Koshi had his lynch D2 random guy x can have his lynch D3. ok thanks I call being random guy x. now vote geript with me. | ||
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On September 06 2016 00:59 scott31337 wrote: I hear ya. I think he's #3. What do you think of Trfel though? What about what TT posted on him? Trfel could easily be mafia, in fact he is kinda likely to be one just from weird reverse-logic. For every player except for Trfel (and geript) I can think of at least one reason they might be town. For Daneler is that he's at least somewhat ballsy for a newbie, and for HF it's the fact that he at least seems to care about the game. For koshi it's the fact that he's reading attentively enough to notice geript's bullshit RB read on day 1. The list goes on. I don't have any such "hey at least Trfel is doing X" things for him. That doesn't mean he must be mafia, but yeah, he's been thoroughly unimpressive this game. If I was to call a team now it'd probably be like geript/trfel/hf or geript/trfel/danielerh. However, I'm just a lot more certain on geript. He is very, very easily my preferred lynch. I genuinely think you should be looking at what geript has been doing over the past two cycles, which is essentially nothing. He's barely even trying to conceal that he's not playing the game. | ||
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On September 06 2016 01:01 scott31337 wrote: IE I'd rather have you vote for Trfel but I'm willing to change my vote if I cannot convince you to switch yours instead. There is a good reason for us to disagree on the preferred lynch right now. But we must consolidate, one way or the other, before the deadline. | ||
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On August 29 2016 19:00 Palmar wrote: Like to elaborate further on the geript thing. It's of special notice that when he is posting, Rels is clearly running away with the vote, and as such, geript should be paying attention to that part of the game, yet all he says about my case is "i am not impressed" without giving any further reasoning about it. In his conclusion he states "Rels is useless as usual" or something like that, which is like the weakest possible stance you can take on the person currently up for lynch. Like I would've been fine if geript's criticism was actually explained, or thought out at all. His long posts really stick out as "I'm gonna quote a bunch of shit and add random commentary so it looks like I'm doing things". Essentially, despite the long form of his posts, what he has done is basically written a glorified list post that looks something like this: Not that lists aren't fine, they're often a good way to gauge where someone stands on a game, but meeeehhh~~~ Also, he completely disregarded my point on RB which I still think is an excellent point. So yeah. geript's entrance is shit. On August 29 2016 23:21 Palmar wrote: The point is, geript was generally "suspicious" or at least "meh" on most of the things I posted (which is incidentally a very weak stance to take) and then he does this: Notice the "probably true". He agrees with my logic (and it's perfect logic, my RB read is literlally the best thing in this thread). Geript actually agrees that objectively RB's thought process should lead people to conclude he is town. and yet he somehow ends up in geript's scumlist. Which basically proves the point that I was trying to make that geript's random commentary is just that, completely random and has no relevance to what he's actually thinking. His summary does not match with his commentary, because he's disassociated from his reads, ie: they're not real because they're not real. He's mafia. This is actually a really, really good day 1 case guys. Get in line. On September 01 2016 01:12 Palmar wrote: This here is a very similar (and very valid) point to the one I made on day 1 regarding geript's RB read. The concept is exactly the same: geript doesn't have any kind of internal consistency in his reads. I'm fine with people changing their minds, but this isn't as much changing his mind as it is just him saying random stuff at random times. On September 05 2016 20:29 Palmar wrote: I'm voting geript. He has twice shown massive inconsistencies in his own reads. He has done almost nothing to move the game in whatever direction he wants to take it. He only comments on the game occasionally, and usually with little impact. | ||
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On September 06 2016 01:10 Trfel wrote: Is now a good time to say that I am leaving a bit more than two hours before the deadline and might not make it back in time? If the vote is close I'm sure you'll find a way to be back at XX:59 | ||
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also too many people agreeing with me on geript is scary. although of course maybe I'm still right and mafia is just getting on the wagon. If geript flips mafia that does NOT mean everyone on his wagon now is town. HF and DH have basically haven't given a shit about my geript read until today. | ||
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On September 06 2016 05:48 Trfel wrote: Holyflare is there any way that you could be persuaded to lynch scott31337 or Tictock instead? Or anyone else? Neither of those two are on on the table as far as I'm concerned. | ||
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On September 06 2016 05:54 Koshi wrote: I am here. sec You should probably post more | ||
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On September 06 2016 05:57 Trfel wrote: Okay, I guess I'll just hope that you guys are right and I am wrong then. Fortunately, betting against myself tends to be a pretty good strategy. this post has convinced me you're the mafia. I'm switching to trfel | ||
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On September 06 2016 05:59 Holyflare wrote: That doesn't even make sense koshi. does it have to? | ||
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On September 06 2016 06:07 beentheredonethat wrote: So according to the rules, this game is over :D. But I'm actually not a 100% sure. It's 3-3 after night, so it's over. Right? There are no protective roles left, so mafia will submit a free kill, bringing it to 3-3 which is a mafia win, so yes, mafia wins. | ||
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On September 06 2016 06:08 Tictock wrote: Yea, it's over. You can make an endgame post now. Who was mafia? probably trfel/hf/danieler | ||
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On September 07 2016 09:58 geript wrote: I try to do vote counts near 24 hours out, 18 hours out, 12, hours out, 6 hours out, 3 hours out, 2 hours out, 1 hour out, 30 minutes out, and 15 minutes out. This will basically cover any swings in votes, but more may be necessary dependent on how swingy things become. This is, like most other things, up to the host. I personally prefer to try and avoid too many votecounts, especially near the deadline. It's not my problem people want to be shit and switch votes at the last minute. I generally try to do one every 12-ish hours, so 3 votecounts throughout the day. Although, I don't feel very strongly about this so if my co-hosts feel like posting votecounts I'm fine with that. But I personally disapprove of doing regular votecounts near the deadline. | ||
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