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Trfel
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If Palmar is town and being mislynched by a Holyflare that he thinks is mafia, I'd expect him to do something about it. ##unvote ##vote Palmar Koshi, why did you change your read on Vivax to town? | ||
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 Part of me wants to lynch Holyflare because I'm being bad and can't find mafia, part of me wants to say that my townread on scott31337 was bad believe in the spreadsheet thing.... Or maybe just stick with Palmar. I guess just stick with Palmar. Because of that one Holyflare post where Palmar can be town and afk, but he can't be town with a scumread on Holyflare and afk. Need to head out now but I'll be back later. | ||
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. Shoudnt have signed up for the game.Saw Tumblewood flipped town . I'll catch up on the rest early Day 3. | ||
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Night 1, why did disformation die instead of Holyflare? Both of them claimed cop. Honestly I thought that neither of them were the cop, but of the two, I would have guessed that Holyflare's claim is more likely to be true. But disformation was shot and not Holyflare. Also note that while disformation is a good player, Holyflare is widely known as being one of the best on the site. Okay, so maybe it was just a really good read from mafia. Then why not kill Holyflare on Night 2? He's one of the only people still playing the game. And again, he's known as an amazing player and can pull town back from multiple LYLOs, and there's minimal pressure on him. Mafia should never leave him alive over a Vivax that made 3-ish posts all night phase and said he was AFKing on scott31337 or geript. So yeah. I'm not super caught up yet, I'll read things more carefully tonight, but it looks to me like Holyflare is pretty suspicious. | ||
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Holyflare is town, there is no way he is mafia this game. And I will sheep him. I still think that DanelerH is town. Most likely mafia are scott and Tictock IMO, I am really liking a scott lynch. I really do think that geript is town and Koshi is probably town so that leaves me at scott, Tictock, Palmar. But I'm not sold entirely on TT and Palmar yet. The reason I doubted scott was the emotional quitting post but he came back like nothing happened amd still dodged thr spreadsheet thing. So I will vote for him. | ||
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But in addition to setting up my apartment taking significantly longer than I thought, we also don't have internet here due to circumstances out of our control. And it'll be a few days until we can get that fixed, which isn't making it very easy to play mafia. I forget exactly what the arguments presented against me were. I think that Palmar said something about being "under the radar", which is actually a situation that I tried to avoid by claiming scum at the start of the game (in an attempt to draw attention and be able to interact with people enough before I left for college in case I was busier once college started). But whatever. I think that scott31337 said something about associations with Holyflare, and unflipped association is not a very good argument. I forget if he said anything else or not. I think I remember Tictock posting some big long thing with a bunch of quotes. I think that the main thing was that I didn't explain exactly everything that I was doing. If you will allow the use of meta to save time, if you look at my town play (maybe in the second half of my time at TL Mafia or so), you will see the same thing. I will tell people what they need to know, and no more. I'll make a case if I am confident in someone being mafia and persuasion is necessary, but otherwise there is little need. Lately I've been trying to add a bit more explanation to make it easier to read me. The point being, this is something that I do as town. Meta aside, Tictock picked on my vote switch D1. I thought that scott31337 and Tumblewood were both scummy, and went back and forth as to which one I wanted to lynch more. In the end, Tumblewood's seemingly not playing for townreads made me want to lynch scott31337 a bit more. As for Day 2, I still don't know for sure who the mafia is. I wish I did, but I don't. Tictock scott31337 Palmar Geript Koshi I think that the three mafia are in there. I think that scott31337 is by far the most likely mafia. Geript and Koshi feel very much like town to me but I should still check them again at some point. | ||
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That said his scum play is actually pretty decent. One big tell is that his activity and involvement increases when he needs to survive when he's mafia. And to me, that seems present in this game, both Day 1 after Tumblewood's push started, and with his latest series of posts and reads (after vanishing Night 1 while being suspected). To me, that activity pattern makes by far the most sense from mafia; were Tictock town, I would think that he'd want to follow up the lynch more, since his big suspect Tumblewood was still alive. Or explain himself for his strange vote switch away from the guy he was super confident was mafia. Or something. Vanishing for a while feels mafia-motivated. So I could definitely see Tictock as mafia this game, and I think he has a decent chance of being mafia, but there are a few things that give me pause. As for scott31337, he keeps coming back in and posting, but the amount of content (even quality aside) doesn't make sense to me. It doesn't feel like he plays to a conclusion in reads (to me, one example of this is say, you make a read on everyone, now it's natural for you to be done because you made a read on everyone); instead, he seems to leave at random times and when he's present, it's hard for me to see direction across his play. It also feels very mafia-motivated in timing, it feels like he is more involved when there is more pressure on him. So I'd rather lynch scott31337. Good night. | ||
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On August 31 2016 20:19 Palmar wrote: Like my vote was there for a very simple reason, that I gave immediately. To me it looked as if I was presented with two options a) Kill Rels b) Kill scott Of those two, I chose a). I actually stand by that choice, I don't really think Scott is scum On September 02 2016 01:37 Palmar wrote: but scott is not mafia All this insight! Am I not the greatest? On September 03 2016 00:03 Palmar wrote: Scott: I liked one post by him on day 1 so weakest townread ever? I don't really know, another person I have less formed opinion on. On September 04 2016 20:53 Palmar wrote: The only actual reason given towards any read on scott31337 is that Palmar liked one (unspecified) post by him on Day 1. There is no other explanation whatsoever.There's like 1% chance Scott is mafia everyone talking about lynching him in the night should be looked at Palmar still hasn't been doing very much. He thinks that Holyflare is mafia, but he still has done very little about it this whole game. He hasn't been passionate about his pushes at all (example being Day 1 where he scumreads geript very strongly, enough to point back at that continually later in the game, but then votes for Tumblewood to make Koshi happy instead of lynching his strong scumread). I could definitely lynch Palmar. | ||
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On September 06 2016 02:26 Holyflare wrote: I guess there's a chance that I'm wrong, but to me the difference is the caring. When Palmar doesn't do anything as town, he also doesn't try to make it look like he's doing anything, he isn't serious and just jokes around. Here, Palmar's not doing anything but is still playing the game in a serious, normal fashion. Add this to soft-pushing you the whole time, and that's what I think.I don't see how palmar not doing anything is different from town palmar though I have that problem with him every game unfortunately. He goes on one rampage push (geript) and then fooks off to oblivion of nk death. | ||
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On September 05 2016 09:01 Holyflare wrote: This is about what I was going to say about Tictock, except I'm not as certain as Holyflare is.Ok, also we can't split our votes today, we actually need to consolidate otherwise we could just flat out lose to last minute switches. If you think trfel is actually mafia then convince me. I didn't think he really was at all and all his lists were pretty much identical to mine day 1 (hence why I never said anything about him). I find it hard to reason that ticktock suddenly starts scum reading him after using trfel as an example to scum read me on day 2 for trfl's analytical approach vs my not doing anything approach. Suddenly trfl hasn't done anything and was instead wishy washy? I don't buy it. I also absolutely hate all of Scott's reads (lets be real I'm talking about myself) which are entirely and purely associative based on an unflipped player (trfl), ticktock was also happy to just plonk his afk vote on scott yesterday and then fook off. Scott also just posted multiple vote counts with coloured names that lept to a really strange conclusion and suddenly ticktock is all aboard riding with him when he basically spent an entire cycle SCUM reading me for doing the same thing. I think ticktock is very likely mafia since he's jumping on all of these opportune things and being incredibly inconsistent and writing all these narratives. I'm gonna try and make a nice formatted post with evidence and quotes but you guys better play. I can't carry you forever, 100% dead if I get it right today. Tictock's read on scott31337 feels very weird throughout the game. Initially, he was townreading scott31337 for being carefree and active. Then, when he read his filter Day 1, he decided that scott31337 hadn't actually been contributing to the game, and provided several reasons why scott31337 could be mafia, but said he still didn't want to lynch him. Then after the lynch, he gave several more reasons why scott31337 is mafia and put him at mafia in his list post. Only to townread him because he didn't think that scott31337 would make a push like this as mafia. So, scott31337's push: vote for Trfel quite a long time after his activity dropped to barely above the one post per 24 hour limit. Who said that he was moving into college and was busy. Who was already being suspected by Palmar and Koshi. That's not a hard lynch. And the constant soft-push on Holyflare is pretty ridiculous. Since his list post, he's only said suspicious things about Holyflare, but generally just arguing with Holyflare, instead of discussing his scumread on Holyflare with other people. And Day 3, throughout, he's seemed very fine with ignoring Holyflare, even though he keeps thinking that Holyflare is suspicious. | ||
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So yeah. I still haven't had a chance to read Koshi's filter, so maybe he's mafia, but everyone else is townreading him for meta. Maybe geript is mafia, but I do think that he's town. So I'll guess that all three mafia are in scott31337, Tictock, Palmar, and Koshi, with Koshi being the less likely of the four, but still possible. | ||
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I did not expect moving into college to be anywhere near as time consuming as it was, and I could not have forseen not having internet in our room. But I simply don't have the activity or the time to effectively play a mafia game, and I'm sorry that everyone else has to deal with it. You deserve better. I was wrong on Tumblewood, I was wrong on Race Bannon, I might be wrong on some more as well. I was right on Rels, though, so at least that's something. But criticizing my play for lack of effort is simply false. I was the first one to point out inconsistencies in geript's first big posts. I pointed out the Race Bannon read inconsistency. No one noticed my post. I first brought up the Tictock meta point that Tumblewood later raised. I've been providing reads with examples and explanations throughout the game. I've provided analysis of scott31337, Palmar, and Tictock. I've shared suspicious points, provided a two-sided analysis, and invited discussion with the suspect and the rest of the thread. But no one cares to respond or comment. And I'm being scumread and lynched for completely nonsense reasons, but no one cares either. The people lynching me seem to not care whatsoever that the other people are lynching me for nonsense reasons, but instead only care that I'm being lynched. Have a good day. | ||
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Will you vote Tictock with Holyflare and I? | ||
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Our frisbee game ended much earlier than I expected. I don't really like a geript lynch but I like it a bit more than a Trfel lynch. | ||
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Geript's not even voting to save himself. And I know it's not because the counterwagon is mafia. | ||
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