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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
August 31 2016 08:01 GMT
#988
On August 31 2016 16:58 Race Bannon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2016 16:29 Trfel wrote:
Race Bannon
(...)
So, I don't think that any of his arguments make sense this whole game.

I don't think you think that.
Glad to see that as soon as I scumread you, you appear It's like magic!

Do you have any further comments on my case?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
August 31 2016 08:14 GMT
#990
On August 31 2016 17:03 Race Bannon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2016 17:01 Trfel wrote:
On August 31 2016 16:58 Race Bannon wrote:
On August 31 2016 16:29 Trfel wrote:
Race Bannon
(...)
So, I don't think that any of his arguments make sense this whole game.

I don't think you think that.
Glad to see that as soon as I scumread you, you appear It's like magic!

Do you have any further comments on my case?

Yes, and I though I made myself clear. I'd like you to elaborate on my arguments. AMA
In the following spoiler are my attempts to understand your reads.
+ Show Spoiler +
"This. I expect scum to slip when they're being questioned about a post, as opposed to during the initial post. In this case I think Vivax gave himself away when he failed to censor out the wording which indicates a conspiratorial approach to this conversation. He says "other reasons", as if fostering an air of mystery around the faction which he is a part of, whereas town would ask "is he more protective of Rels because of mafia reasons"."

I really, really don't understand why this is significant, in the slightest. "Other reasons" implies that one possibility is the subject being mafia.

"If anything I think people make a conscious habbit of rehashing their exact behavioral pattern from their towngames, as scum, in games where the same players are present. So I remember Koshi bringing up the exact same argument about me not having the balls to do whatever I did in my scumgame. Therefore this looks more like a manipulation designed specifically for me to get a meta townread on him, bearing in mind that we've interacted enough for him to catch and try to anchor my attention in this preconceived way."

Allow me to restate: Koshi did something last game when he was town. Because he did the same thing in this game, I think that he's mafia doing this specifically aimed to fool me.

So, what ever prevents Koshi from being town and just thinking the same way he did last game, since he was town last game?!!!?!?!!? This doesn't make him mafia in the slightest.

"It boils down to this: how can he warrant using vivax's alignment to incriminate Tumble here, hmm? Even if it's sort of a transition to disformation, that's not important. He's basically scumclaiming for both him and vivax."

Except that's not what Koshi said at all. Koshi said that Tumblewood is mafia because of the way that Tumblewood said "Vivax is town" at the end of his post. Koshi said absolutely nothing about Vivax's alignment, so it has nothing to do with what you are saying.


My turn

So, since you were scumreading scott31337 early on, how could you be so sure that Vivax is mafia, since he posted the biggest case on scott31337?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
August 31 2016 08:23 GMT
#993
On August 31 2016 17:22 Holyflare wrote:
Wait wtf is race slam?
Haha, Pretty sure Alakaslam is just posting because he feels like it XD

Help me Holyflare, why is Tumblewood town? I'm pretty unsure about him right now. And what about Race Bannon?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
August 31 2016 08:31 GMT
#998
On August 31 2016 17:30 Race Bannon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2016 17:14 Trfel wrote:
My turn

So, since you were scumreading scott31337 early on, how could you be so sure that Vivax is mafia, since he posted the biggest case on scott31337?

Read case, ask if no comprende
I don't get it, that's why I'm asking

You go so far as to say that it was too early to make a good case on scott31337. So, okay, why were you scumreading scott31337???
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
August 31 2016 08:39 GMT
#1000
On August 31 2016 17:32 Race Bannon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2016 17:31 Trfel wrote:
On August 31 2016 17:30 Race Bannon wrote:
On August 31 2016 17:14 Trfel wrote:
My turn

So, since you were scumreading scott31337 early on, how could you be so sure that Vivax is mafia, since he posted the biggest case on scott31337?

Read case, ask if no comprende
I don't get it, that's why I'm asking

You go so far as to say that it was too early to make a good case on scott31337. So, okay, why were you scumreading scott31337???

Fuck scott, you're asking why I was sure of Vivax, and it's rigt there in the case.
I've already said why I don't think that makes sense, but okay, it's not worth arguing about.

In your scumread of Vivax, are you not considering the rest of his play? For instance, the push he's made for quite a while, and is by far the thing he's been most involved with? If you don't agree with this push, then presumably you disagree with the reasons that Vivax provided. In which case, I'd like to know the reasons that you were scumreading scott31337 for early on, and they'd better be different from the ones that Vivax posted.

I'm tired, so good night.

+ Show Spoiler +
Race Bannon seems to be genuinely annoyed though, which feels much more like a town mindset than a mafia mindset sigh... Everything he does seems so mafia, but maybe he's somehow town anyway...
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
August 31 2016 18:26 GMT
#1112
I feel really stupid making a case on the person who is now dead, and didn't even read their role PM. Good job to me.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
August 31 2016 18:37 GMT
#1114
On the bright side, since Rels died, there's a 25% chance that Race Bannon flips mafia, not a 22% chance
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
August 31 2016 21:16 GMT
#1150
Vivax, why is Koshi town?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
August 31 2016 22:03 GMT
#1155
On September 01 2016 06:30 Vivax wrote:
you were semi afk, tumble only defended himself, palmar pushed for geript. all within mafia behaciour boumdaries.

and koshi is town cause gut feeling. is he your suspect trfel?

on phone btw
I don't know about Koshi yet, I'm hoping to perform the amazing feat of reading his filter today. I personally don't have much reason to townread him (or that much reason to scumread him) without reading his filter, but I know that a lot of people are very confident that Koshi is town, and I'm not sure why. Activity certainly is a possible argument, but I was under the impression that Koshi is also quite active as mafia, so I don't know.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
September 01 2016 00:32 GMT
#1165
The thing I really don't like about Koshi, is why is he so confident about scott31337 being town?

I looked through Koshi's filter, and I didn't see any reasons that he gave that scott31337 is town. Koshi said that he built a town case on scott31337, so I missed it (please link?), but I'm not seeing anything.

I also saw where Koshi said that he doesn't think that scott31337 is mafia but he really could be. Since then, scott31337 has not done anything worth townreading him for (in my opinion anyway), but Koshi's become far more confident in scott31337 being town, for seemingly no reason. If anything, the vote count analysis makes scott31337 look scummier IMO, not townier.

So this really confuses me.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
September 01 2016 05:23 GMT
#1188
Hi. I'll talk.

It is my last night before going to college though, so I'm not fully present.

I think that you are mafia. We can talk about that if you want, or I can temporarily ignore that read. The fact that you're complaining about having no one to talk to makes me doubt the scumread a little bit though.

I think Tumblewood and Tictock may be mafia. Still need to filter geript, Vivax, Holyflare, Koshi. And Palmar. Think HF, V, maybe K are town, other two idk. Getting more suspicious of geript, he feels more outside and not leading, but could be wrong. I hope to read all of their filters tonight but might run out of time.

But I'd rather know, where are you at? Where's your reads and content?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
September 01 2016 05:31 GMT
#1190
And yeah, I don't think I want to lynch DanelerH, ever . Seems way too honest.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
September 01 2016 05:59 GMT
#1194
We are not allowed to no lynch and two mislynches loses us the game.

Scott, I don't get why its so upsetting to lose the cop. It's unfortunate and it happened, but that obviously wasn't what Vivax was trying to do. Yes the game is hard but it can still be solved
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
September 01 2016 06:20 GMT
#1201
On September 01 2016 15:12 scott31337 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2016 14:59 Trfel wrote:
We are not allowed to no lynch and two mislynches loses us the game.

Scott, I don't get why its so upsetting to lose the cop. It's unfortunate and it happened, but that obviously wasn't what Vivax was trying to do. Yes the game is hard but it can still be solved


Why do you see it wasn't what he was trying to do?

My opinion is he was trying to upset and press people (and if he's mafia and know he's town) press people and piss them off. Dis lost it.

Show nested quote +
On September 01 2016 06:03 Vivax wrote:
Outstanding blue performance xD


Like I said, I don't give a fuck anymore. I think you're a prodding town.
I'm sorry that the game is this frustrating, it's really not meant to be

I'm back on my computer now and will try to read some filters and stuff. But maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to take a break...
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
September 01 2016 06:24 GMT
#1202
Actually, I just remembered this.

Makes me wonder about Vivax....... Checking some things.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
September 01 2016 06:36 GMT
#1203
On September 01 2016 15:24 Trfel wrote:
Actually, I just remembered this.

Makes me wonder about Vivax....... Checking some things.
No, Vivax's scumread onto Palmar is a lot more original than I remembered. It does feel off that Vivax isn't tinfoiling everything like crazy, but he's actually doing things and driving the game forward. The sudden switch to scumreading disformation shows some elements of the old tinfoily town Vivax, maybe, too.

I guess I still think Vivax is town.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
September 01 2016 07:31 GMT
#1207
On September 01 2016 16:22 geript wrote:
I could've sworn it was one of those two who mate a post close to:
(Answering "why did you town read him)
"Because he correctly meta read me". But for the life of me I can't find it.
That was disformation.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
September 01 2016 07:39 GMT
#1209
On September 01 2016 16:35 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2016 16:31 Trfel wrote:
On September 01 2016 16:22 geript wrote:
I could've sworn it was one of those two who mate a post close to:
(Answering "why did you town read him)
"Because he correctly meta read me". But for the life of me I can't find it.
That was disformation.

You think Dane is town right?
Correct. Do you have a read on him other than bad?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
September 01 2016 08:06 GMT
#1213
Well, I have to wake up in three hours, so that's it for me. I tried to do some lazy POE stuff but it didn't end up with anything eye-opening.

In short, I really like DanelerH because in addition to his play feeling honest and open (example that he said he didn't think we could play at night), it doesn't feel like he's playing for survival or for townreads, but rather actually thinking about the game. One example of this is his early scumread on Koshi, another is not caving in to Holyflare's pressure and looking at disformation.

I'm actually not as sure on scott31337 being mafia, his latest series of posts felt more towny due to the emotions. And geript's play has started to feel more and more like I'd expect from him as town; not so much the immediately solving the game part, but the thought process.

On the other hand, Tumblewood and Tictock feel worse and worse to me. Tumblewood still hasn't done anything really other than that Tictock read, and he hasn't felt very involved at all, or motivated to play the game other than that one burst of activity to survive the lynch. For Tictock, his End of Day seemed really bad, and there was some other stuff which I'm forgetting because I'm too tired, but I dunno. I guess I kind of forgot why I thought he was mafia, I'll have to look at him again later.

Still haven't looked at Palmar at all.... And a bit paranoid of Vivax and maybe maaaaaybe Koshi.

Voting for Tumblewood.

Good night.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
September 01 2016 08:10 GMT
#1214
On September 01 2016 17:02 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2016 16:39 Trfel wrote:
On September 01 2016 16:35 geript wrote:
On September 01 2016 16:31 Trfel wrote:
On September 01 2016 16:22 geript wrote:
I could've sworn it was one of those two who mate a post close to:
(Answering "why did you town read him)
"Because he correctly meta read me". But for the life of me I can't find it.
That was disformation.

You think Dane is town right?
Correct. Do you have a read on him other than bad?

Sorry I'm bad at answering directly, but I really like my point about him being so "black and white." Like usually newer players have a big lack of confidence. The make these wish you washy posts that meander in bad ways. But his posts feel so rigid. Like he spends time to structure them. And that's what bugs me. Because usually newer town players even when coached don't feel that way.
I guess we have different opinions about newer players, then. I want to say that I'm right and you're wrong, but I respect your opinion a lot and you've also spent plenty of time coaching newbies and analyzing newbie games.

I feel like some newbies do appear as very constructed and rigid, like I thought it was decently common? But I'll take a closer look at your point later.

Good night.
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