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DanelerH
Profile Joined August 2016
96 Posts
August 30 2016 16:40 GMT
#681
On August 30 2016 13:03 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2016 12:30 DanelerH wrote:
That reminds me. Tumblewood, in addition to Palmar, you also suspected Koshi of being Mafia. Why are they suddenly under "null/don't care yet"?

it's a weak suspicion. mostly my reaction when someone slips into the town category in my mind and then I think "oh, maybe they could be scum" or "why am I townreading them"


One more question for you, then. Why are your reads on Scott so erratic?
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 30 2016 16:44 GMT
#682
On August 30 2016 23:21 Race Bannon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2016 07:02 Koshi wrote:
If anybody is interested. I don't think Tfrel has the balls to come out and claim scum. He was superscared last game as mafia. I would be VERY surprised if he turned that around so fast.

Almost 100% lock town tbh.


If anything I think people make a conscious habbit of rehashing their exact behavioral pattern from their towngames, as scum, in games where the same players are present. So I remember Koshi bringing up the exact same argument about me not having the balls to do whatever I did in my scumgame. Therefore this looks more like a manipulation designed specifically for me to get a meta townread on him, bearing in mind that we've interacted enough for him to catch and try to anchor my attention in this preconceived way.
The fact that he voiced and kept claiming suspicion against me, for no reason, speaks for this as well. Anyone who says I'm scummy looks very bad, but for some reason geript is getting more votes, despite Koshi being the scummier of the two from this perspective.

It wasnt.
I had a good night of sleep.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22073 Posts
August 30 2016 16:47 GMT
#683
On August 31 2016 01:37 DanelerH wrote:
Vivax, at the beginning of the game, Disformation and Trfel each made a joke about being confirmed Town and Mafia (respectively). For some reason, you felt the need to respond to these. Why is this?

Show nested quote +
On August 29 2016 06:00 Vivax wrote:
On August 29 2016 05:55 disformation wrote:
now that I am conf. town, you ppl can fight over who gets to carry me. <3


You're not confirmed town


Show nested quote +
On August 29 2016 06:02 Vivax wrote:
On August 29 2016 05:59 Trfel wrote:
Beentheredonethat is the worst cohost on TL.

I didn't think he would be cruel enough to make me mafia two games in a row


Fine you can get lynched don't think that your smugness will save you from saying stupid things.

##Vote Trfel


I can only talk in retrospect, but I replied to disfo cause he's not conf town for posting first, and I voted Trfel cause he claimed scum.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
August 30 2016 16:47 GMT
#684
On August 30 2016 23:10 Vivax wrote:
HF is very sheepable this game. Moreso than Palmar, even though he will hate me for saying this.

I never get who the hell Dan talks about when he says xym/xe, there is no player going by that name can you for the love of god use the actual names or do you have a chinese autocorrect turned on?

HF has done literally nothing worth noticing.
Computer says mafia
DanelerH
Profile Joined August 2016
96 Posts
August 30 2016 16:49 GMT
#685
On August 31 2016 01:47 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2016 01:37 DanelerH wrote:
Vivax, at the beginning of the game, Disformation and Trfel each made a joke about being confirmed Town and Mafia (respectively). For some reason, you felt the need to respond to these. Why is this?

On August 29 2016 06:00 Vivax wrote:
On August 29 2016 05:55 disformation wrote:
now that I am conf. town, you ppl can fight over who gets to carry me. <3


You're not confirmed town


On August 29 2016 06:02 Vivax wrote:
On August 29 2016 05:59 Trfel wrote:
Beentheredonethat is the worst cohost on TL.

I didn't think he would be cruel enough to make me mafia two games in a row


Fine you can get lynched don't think that your smugness will save you from saying stupid things.

##Vote Trfel


I can only talk in retrospect, but I replied to disfo cause he's not conf town for posting first, and I voted Trfel cause he claimed scum.


But was the latter neccessary? It seems like a bit of an excessive for a response to a joke.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 30 2016 16:49 GMT
#686
On August 31 2016 00:00 Vivax wrote:
Rels, TW, Scott seems like a decent, but very easy D1 guess. But it seems to be such a common opinion that there's no swag in adopting it.

Switching to TW now would mean that I admit defeat of my own case. And it can not be what must not be. Maybe on D2, but D2 will be full of wagon analysis from D1 that will change all the pieces.

I am sure the three scummers in this game have no thread presence, maybe disfo has some if he's mafia, but that's not a matter for D1. If Palmar is one of them he's in full bus mode on TW right now. TW even replied to Koshi's case "true, something something", which seems like he capitulated.

Palmar abandoned his push on geript in super lightning mode once it stopped gaining traction which I don't like at all.

So maybe there is a bit of swagger to be had still. Palmar, Tumblewood and...scott? Like Palmar didn't even spend a single post on the case on scott, maybe cause he felt like he didn't have to since it's still very much under the radar. But I feel like Palmar is mafia in this game, cause for the fact he's playing there's very little conviction behind his own arguments, and he sucked up to Koshi which is a nono for town Palmar.

I like this summary. Palmar/TW I can live with atm. Rels/Danel benched. Maybe RB?
I had a good night of sleep.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22073 Posts
August 30 2016 16:49 GMT
#687
On August 31 2016 01:49 DanelerH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2016 01:47 Vivax wrote:
On August 31 2016 01:37 DanelerH wrote:
Vivax, at the beginning of the game, Disformation and Trfel each made a joke about being confirmed Town and Mafia (respectively). For some reason, you felt the need to respond to these. Why is this?

On August 29 2016 06:00 Vivax wrote:
On August 29 2016 05:55 disformation wrote:
now that I am conf. town, you ppl can fight over who gets to carry me. <3


You're not confirmed town


On August 29 2016 06:02 Vivax wrote:
On August 29 2016 05:59 Trfel wrote:
Beentheredonethat is the worst cohost on TL.

I didn't think he would be cruel enough to make me mafia two games in a row


Fine you can get lynched don't think that your smugness will save you from saying stupid things.

##Vote Trfel


I can only talk in retrospect, but I replied to disfo cause he's not conf town for posting first, and I voted Trfel cause he claimed scum.


But was the latter neccessary? It seems like a bit of an excessive for a response to a joke.


Nothing is excessive at the beginning of a game. The other option was doing nothing.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
August 30 2016 16:52 GMT
#688
My body is not prepared to take on the combined stupidity of Vivax and Koshi, I must rest.
Computer says mafia
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22073 Posts
August 30 2016 16:54 GMT
#689
On August 31 2016 01:47 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2016 23:10 Vivax wrote:
HF is very sheepable this game. Moreso than Palmar, even though he will hate me for saying this.

I never get who the hell Dan talks about when he says xym/xe, there is no player going by that name can you for the love of god use the actual names or do you have a chinese autocorrect turned on?

HF has done literally nothing worth noticing.


Wrong. He is a strong proponent of the TW lynch, contrary to you even took notice and commented on the case on scott, pressured Danieler, and disagreed with your geript case. Overall he has been doing discussion that looks fruitful to me, while you seem to be very selective about the things you want to talk about or reply to.

HF 1 Palmar 0
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
August 30 2016 16:54 GMT
#690
On August 30 2016 23:21 Race Bannon wrote:

Show nested quote +
On August 29 2016 07:33 Palmar wrote:
also I'm a moron, this is on the thing.

I don't think that changes Race's thought patter.

Like, why would anyone make that "mistake" as any other role than vanilla town. Like there's basically 99% chance he read his role pm, figured that it would be hard for mafia to fake it and just rolled with it. The alternative scenario that he is mafia, figures that vanilla role pm might be weird, and instead of begging host for it (if he genuinely didn't know it was in the op) and decides to come up with this weird ruse hoping someone jumps it (like I'm doing now) and calls him town for it.

It's just way too complicated.

The simple solution is, Race Bannon is town. probably. (maybe).

I could've said this as vt, pr, scum or sk.. I repeat, it was a wifom reaction test.

Show nested quote +
On August 29 2016 07:33 Palmar wrote:
Like I'm not only fairly sure he's town, I'm fairly sure he's precisely vanilla town.

No. Turn around, walk a few steps and stay put at maybe.


a) I don't believe you. People don't make reaction tests that look like that.
b) I have no idea why you're so adamantly arguing not being VT. Literally every single player in the game wants to be a VT. Blues want VT to avoid shots, reds want VT to avoid lynches and greens don't care one way or the other. I don't think it actually means much, it's just weird.

Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
August 30 2016 16:55 GMT
#691
On August 31 2016 01:54 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2016 01:47 Palmar wrote:
On August 30 2016 23:10 Vivax wrote:
HF is very sheepable this game. Moreso than Palmar, even though he will hate me for saying this.

I never get who the hell Dan talks about when he says xym/xe, there is no player going by that name can you for the love of god use the actual names or do you have a chinese autocorrect turned on?

HF has done literally nothing worth noticing.


Wrong. He is a strong proponent of the TW lynch, contrary to you even took notice and commented on the case on scott, pressured Danieler, and disagreed with your geript case. Overall he has been doing discussion that looks fruitful to me, while you seem to be very selective about the things you want to talk about or reply to.

HF 1 Palmar 0

No I just ignore most of the things you write. I'm pretty cool with talking about most other things.
Computer says mafia
DanelerH
Profile Joined August 2016
96 Posts
August 30 2016 16:57 GMT
#692
On August 29 2016 06:32 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2016 06:31 Palmar wrote:
ok is no one going to ask me how I came up with my theory? what is this?


I was thinking about writing up how much I am a big fanboy of yours and mad respect and all and so I stand behind your Rels=scum theory.


I have another question for you, Vivax. There are a couple of things off about this post. The intro of the post alone is odd, but you also seem to agree with the theory for no reason. Could you clarify these?
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
August 30 2016 16:57 GMT
#693
On August 31 2016 01:40 DanelerH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2016 13:03 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 30 2016 12:30 DanelerH wrote:
That reminds me. Tumblewood, in addition to Palmar, you also suspected Koshi of being Mafia. Why are they suddenly under "null/don't care yet"?

it's a weak suspicion. mostly my reaction when someone slips into the town category in my mind and then I think "oh, maybe they could be scum" or "why am I townreading them"


One more question for you, then. Why are your reads on Scott so erratic?

mostly as a result of me changing my mind based on new information brought to light
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
August 30 2016 16:57 GMT
#694
(Wiki)
On August 30 2016 19:54 Palmar wrote:
Voting Tumblewood

Partly because I admire the fact Koshi wrote a case that looks good and I want to support a good effort.
Mostly though because he put me in "null/I don't care" category.

if this vote is still here by deadline Palmar is 100 million percent mafia
On August 30 2016 21:21 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2016 21:18 Vivax wrote:
On August 30 2016 21:15 disformation wrote:
ppl explaining their town reads on vivax might be cool.


I townread him cause he's really invested in the game.

that doesnt make anyone town.

*slow clap*
good times for all
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
August 30 2016 16:57 GMT
#695
On August 30 2016 23:21 Race Bannon wrote:
Rereading the thread now, I'm at #180; having fun.

As soon as I get bored I'll pause to post some reads. Expect awesomeness.

Ok, I've decided not to post the above, am writing this instead and plan to copy it and keep reading and adding. When I will eventually paste and post, it will look and feel like this giant snowball of scumbarelaying nightmare for scum. And then I'll vote scum, superlatively formatted.

Show nested quote +
On August 29 2016 06:55 Vivax wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:49 Trfel wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:42 Vivax wrote:
Tumble's attention shift from Trfel along with my post that went undiscussed (maybe I'm just boring or post too much stuff to reply to in detail?) to Rels being accused by Palmar is kinda interesting. It's like the Rels issue is more important for him than the Trfel one without visible reasoning.
Sorry Vivax, I'm still trying to figure this out. I'm not quite getting what you're saying.

You're saying that if Tumblewood was actually interested in my alignment, and actually wanted to talk about me, then he would have discussed your post about me instead of just talking about Palmar's read on Rels? Or am I wrong?


More or less. I think he was way more drawn to the Rels issue than to yours which he initially mentioned. But why would he? Does he just have fun antagonizing Palmar? Is he more protective of Rels for other reasons?


This. I expect scum to slip when they're being questioned about a post, as opposed to during the initial post. In this case I think Vivax gave himself away when he failed to censor out the wording which indicates a conspiratorial approach to this conversation. He says "other reasons", as if fostering an air of mystery around the faction which he is a part of, whereas town would ask "is he more protective of Rels because of mafia reasons".

##vote: Vivax

Show nested quote +
On August 29 2016 06:56 Palmar wrote:
I declare this game to be a case game. This means that if you want someone to get lynched, you post a case. Don't just talk in stupid circles and spam for ages, make a case, summarize your points and make it concise.


If Vivax's initial platform for the case on scott (what grack did as scum in 72h) has merit, then I'm entitled to compare Palmar's post with Rels' (also endgaming scum), where he said they should never make use of the quicklynch mechanic. It's in the ballpark of trying to establish an early authoritatively presence in terms of agenda. But frankly I don't think it has merit, for one because I believe Vivax is scum. Meta is very unreliable as base for a case, but in this case it's not even the meta of the suspect, rather some random meta from a recent game; so that's double trouble.

Furthermore I'd expect a disciplined townie, which I think Vivax is judging by how he kept his cool during LightningStrike's vulgar, verbal assault on him in Onegu I game, I expect him to let the case speak for itself, instead of showing aggressive bullying tactics, to promote its apparent quality, I believe for the sake of looking townie because emotions are townread more often than not. And again, I feel like he grounded his case on someone else's meta, so objectively speaking it's not going to fly as a real case.

Show nested quote +
On August 29 2016 07:02 Koshi wrote:
If anybody is interested. I don't think Tfrel has the balls to come out and claim scum. He was superscared last game as mafia. I would be VERY surprised if he turned that around so fast.

Almost 100% lock town tbh.


If anything I think people make a conscious habbit of rehashing their exact behavioral pattern from their towngames, as scum, in games where the same players are present. So I remember Koshi bringing up the exact same argument about me not having the balls to do whatever I did in my scumgame. Therefore this looks more like a manipulation designed specifically for me to get a meta townread on him, bearing in mind that we've interacted enough for him to catch and try to anchor my attention in this preconceived way.
The fact that he voiced and kept claiming suspicion against me, for no reason, speaks for this as well. Anyone who says I'm scummy looks very bad, but for some reason geript is getting more votes, despite Koshi being the scummier of the two from this perspective.

The thing about geript is .. to use Koshi's attempt at alignment indication .. would scum geript say he agrees with Palmar and then scumread me like a boss anyway? I think not, and lynching geript today could mean lynching a valuable, methodical asset to town, and one of the biggest threats to scum domination. Do not! I repeat, no lyncherinho geript today.. pl0x

Show nested quote +
On August 29 2016 07:33 Palmar wrote:
also I'm a moron, this is on the thing.

I don't think that changes Race's thought patter.

Like, why would anyone make that "mistake" as any other role than vanilla town. Like there's basically 99% chance he read his role pm, figured that it would be hard for mafia to fake it and just rolled with it. The alternative scenario that he is mafia, figures that vanilla role pm might be weird, and instead of begging host for it (if he genuinely didn't know it was in the op) and decides to come up with this weird ruse hoping someone jumps it (like I'm doing now) and calls him town for it.

It's just way too complicated.

The simple solution is, Race Bannon is town. probably. (maybe).

I could've said this as vt, pr, scum or sk.. I repeat, it was a wifom reaction test.

Show nested quote +
On August 29 2016 07:33 Palmar wrote:
Like I'm not only fairly sure he's town, I'm fairly sure he's precisely vanilla town.

No. Turn around, walk a few steps and stay put at maybe.

Show nested quote +
On August 29 2016 08:00 Koshi wrote:
Tumble has the "Vivax is town" mafia addendum.
Disformation has the "oh wait it is probably breaking meta" mafia addendum

This is my Koshi & Vivax are scum addendum.

Don't lynch disfo, Holyflare, geript today.


Interesting perspective - but do you think if Vivax and Koshi were a team he would reply to Vivax's "case" on me like he did? It just seems really complicated and unneeded. I do not think they are the same alignment.
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
August 30 2016 16:59 GMT
#696
On August 31 2016 01:57 DanelerH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2016 06:32 Vivax wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:31 Palmar wrote:
ok is no one going to ask me how I came up with my theory? what is this?


I was thinking about writing up how much I am a big fanboy of yours and mad respect and all and so I stand behind your Rels=scum theory.


I have another question for you, Vivax. There are a couple of things off about this post. The intro of the post alone is odd, but you also seem to agree with the theory for no reason. Could you clarify these?

It's irrelevant, he was just supporting a fairly nonsensical early game push by me because he knows the value of getting a game started.

However, Vivax clearly lied about being fanboy of mine, he's the president of the palmar hate fanclub because he wants to be like me but he just aint. so lynch vivax because of LAL
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
August 30 2016 17:01 GMT
#697
On August 31 2016 01:57 Tumblewood wrote:
(Wiki)
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2016 19:54 Palmar wrote:
Voting Tumblewood

Partly because I admire the fact Koshi wrote a case that looks good and I want to support a good effort.
Mostly though because he put me in "null/I don't care" category.

if this vote is still here by deadline Palmar is 100 million percent mafia


Explain why this must be true. Also, how did you not have an opinion on me in the early game when I was probably one of the most prominent players during that phase of the game?
Computer says mafia
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
August 30 2016 17:02 GMT
#698
ok this is not the game where I go back to lynchbait meta
look me in the eyes and tell me that an inconsistent read progression is a trait of my scum games and not my town games
because this is what a) I used to get lynched for everyfuckingtime and b) is bad logic and untrue
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
August 30 2016 17:03 GMT
#699
On August 31 2016 02:01 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2016 01:57 Tumblewood wrote:
(Wiki)
On August 30 2016 19:54 Palmar wrote:
Voting Tumblewood

Partly because I admire the fact Koshi wrote a case that looks good and I want to support a good effort.
Mostly though because he put me in "null/I don't care" category.

if this vote is still here by deadline Palmar is 100 million percent mafia


Explain why this must be true. Also, how did you not have an opinion on me in the early game when I was probably one of the most prominent players during that phase of the game?

because I don't try to read you because I'm usually wrong and paranoid. not until I see d1 flip at least
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
August 30 2016 17:04 GMT
#700
On August 31 2016 02:03 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2016 02:01 Palmar wrote:
On August 31 2016 01:57 Tumblewood wrote:
(Wiki)
On August 30 2016 19:54 Palmar wrote:
Voting Tumblewood

Partly because I admire the fact Koshi wrote a case that looks good and I want to support a good effort.
Mostly though because he put me in "null/I don't care" category.

if this vote is still here by deadline Palmar is 100 million percent mafia


Explain why this must be true. Also, how did you not have an opinion on me in the early game when I was probably one of the most prominent players during that phase of the game?

because I don't try to read you because I'm usually wrong and paranoid. not until I see d1 flip at least
hm but in this case d1 flip is in my role pm
also joke vote at deadline = no bueno
good times for all
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