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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22370 Posts
August 30 2016 00:20 GMT
#565
TT you aren't even able to respond to the majority of the points I make , but only to post something completely different to dodge your arguments being stomped into the ground so pls go do something else for now instead of putting up strawman after strawman.

I just explained why you were misusing the word meta to shit on my case and now you're talking about Grack's play being the epitome mafia play. Go do something useful, you're just a shitty antagonizer that doesn't accomplish jack for a lynch.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22370 Posts
August 30 2016 00:22 GMT
#566
Like all you're literally doing is defending scott for no reason and getting on my nerves all game.

You have two options to be useful:

1) Make a convincing case on why I'm mafia
2) Make a convincing case on why scott is town.

Otherwise you're really just ruining the game for me. I don't want to put up with your shit.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22370 Posts
August 30 2016 00:36 GMT
#573
I just think you post a lot of derailing hogwash that won't convince anyone to either vote me or not vote scott. But sadly I don't think that it necessarily makes you mafia.

I woke up in a good mood today spending about an hour reading 72 H and this game and trying to display in as much detail as possible how scott was playing like mafia, then some random arses pop in and start saying "tl dr but your case is shit". That'd be Koshi and you, HF at least kept it at the tl dr without being in the automatic setting of just taking a gigantic crap on someone who is actually trying to solve the game.

People like that are gamekillers so step it up kiddo
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22370 Posts
August 30 2016 11:58 GMT
#631
I like TT better now his later posts are pleasant to read which is nice so I can stop being salty. I still think he can be mafia but for now I have a reason not to further talk about him.

I'm trying to meta TW now but I feel like I have a hard time doing it based on content. Only apparent thing so far is that as mafia he would come in every 3-4 hours on average and shoot a salvo of 4-5 posts.

He feels much more present this game so idk. I am tempted to just not have a read on him, watch town mislynch on D1 (that'd be my best case cause then I wouldn't be the guy who was wrong + schadenfreude) and just be the baller who was on scott all along.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22370 Posts
August 30 2016 12:18 GMT
#635
On August 30 2016 21:15 disformation wrote:
ppl explaining their town reads on vivax might be cool.


I townread him cause he's really invested in the game.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22370 Posts
August 30 2016 12:23 GMT
#637
On August 29 2016 16:02 Trfel wrote:
Bleh, you're right. Okay, so why do you think that Vivax is town then?


On August 29 2016 16:03 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2016 16:02 Trfel wrote:
Bleh, you're right. Okay, so why do you think that Vivax is town then?

his case on Rels made me laugh.


On August 29 2016 16:05 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2016 16:03 disformation wrote:
On August 29 2016 16:02 Trfel wrote:
Bleh, you're right. Okay, so why do you think that Vivax is town then?

his case on Rels made me laugh.
But you posted that Vivax is town before he posted his case on Rels?


On August 29 2016 16:08 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2016 16:05 Trfel wrote:
On August 29 2016 16:03 disformation wrote:
On August 29 2016 16:02 Trfel wrote:
Bleh, you're right. Okay, so why do you think that Vivax is town then?

his case on Rels made me laugh.
But you posted that Vivax is town before he posted his case on Rels?

yes, cause I liked his early posts.
now I am still thinking he is town for having made me laugh


Currently doing a reread. Disfo I will laugh if Trfel caught you here, but I'll worry about it after scott died.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22370 Posts
August 30 2016 12:28 GMT
#641
On August 30 2016 21:25 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2016 21:23 Vivax wrote:
On August 29 2016 16:02 Trfel wrote:
Bleh, you're right. Okay, so why do you think that Vivax is town then?


On August 29 2016 16:03 disformation wrote:
On August 29 2016 16:02 Trfel wrote:
Bleh, you're right. Okay, so why do you think that Vivax is town then?

his case on Rels made me laugh.


On August 29 2016 16:05 Trfel wrote:
On August 29 2016 16:03 disformation wrote:
On August 29 2016 16:02 Trfel wrote:
Bleh, you're right. Okay, so why do you think that Vivax is town then?

his case on Rels made me laugh.
But you posted that Vivax is town before he posted his case on Rels?


On August 29 2016 16:08 disformation wrote:
On August 29 2016 16:05 Trfel wrote:
On August 29 2016 16:03 disformation wrote:
On August 29 2016 16:02 Trfel wrote:
Bleh, you're right. Okay, so why do you think that Vivax is town then?

his case on Rels made me laugh.
But you posted that Vivax is town before he posted his case on Rels?

yes, cause I liked his early posts.
now I am still thinking he is town for having made me laugh


Currently doing a reread. Disfo I will laugh if Trfel caught you here, but I'll worry about it after scott died.

I love how you are trying to discredit me before I even posted a case. afraid?


I'm pointing out how Trfel picked up on something really smart to pick up on that might just have been you tripping on your own read.

If that's your definition of discrediting, fine. For me it's a reason to townread Truffle and something to use against you later if I feel confident that you're mafia.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22370 Posts
August 30 2016 12:40 GMT
#644
On August 30 2016 21:35 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2016 21:28 Vivax wrote:
On August 30 2016 21:25 disformation wrote:
On August 30 2016 21:23 Vivax wrote:
On August 29 2016 16:02 Trfel wrote:
Bleh, you're right. Okay, so why do you think that Vivax is town then?


On August 29 2016 16:03 disformation wrote:
On August 29 2016 16:02 Trfel wrote:
Bleh, you're right. Okay, so why do you think that Vivax is town then?

his case on Rels made me laugh.


On August 29 2016 16:05 Trfel wrote:
On August 29 2016 16:03 disformation wrote:
On August 29 2016 16:02 Trfel wrote:
Bleh, you're right. Okay, so why do you think that Vivax is town then?

his case on Rels made me laugh.
But you posted that Vivax is town before he posted his case on Rels?


On August 29 2016 16:08 disformation wrote:
On August 29 2016 16:05 Trfel wrote:
On August 29 2016 16:03 disformation wrote:
On August 29 2016 16:02 Trfel wrote:
Bleh, you're right. Okay, so why do you think that Vivax is town then?

his case on Rels made me laugh.
But you posted that Vivax is town before he posted his case on Rels?

yes, cause I liked his early posts.
now I am still thinking he is town for having made me laugh


Currently doing a reread. Disfo I will laugh if Trfel caught you here, but I'll worry about it after scott died.

I love how you are trying to discredit me before I even posted a case. afraid?


I'm pointing out how Trfel picked up on something really smart to pick up on that might just have been you tripping on your own read.

If that's your definition of discrediting, fine. For me it's a reason to townread Truffle and something to use against you later if I feel confident that you're mafia.

yes, yes it is. the moment I point out that you made a post that is impossible to come from town you run to find the first thing you can find that is remotely shady on me.


You wish it was remotely shady. It's the sort of subtle stuff that gives mafias away.

"why this read?"
"cause of post at 2"
"you had read at 1.5"
"Yes I townread him for post at 1 but post at 2 made me read him more like that"
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22370 Posts
August 30 2016 12:42 GMT
#645
Rayn caught me like that in titanic, Palmar should remember
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22370 Posts
August 30 2016 12:59 GMT
#650
In earlier games I had marv answering these concerns when he wasn't lynching my ass on D1.

He would say something like "cause Vivax is a stubborn goat that will post scummy shit if it suits his interests but has the grace of being insanely invested at the right times."

Another thing for Palmar:

On August 29 2016 10:39 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2016 06:54 Palmar wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:46 Trfel wrote:
Oh boy, disformation, I can't wait to see how you react if/when I actually push you

For you less meta-inclined people, Palmar and Vivax are very likely town ^^

at least if Trfel is mafia and ever flips I'm spewed confirmed town status. That's nice.

This is the most interesting post so far. I'm surprised Palmar doesn't want to lynch Trfel; usually, he'd be more than happy to flip someone he doesn't think is town in hopes to confirm himself.


I'm surprised Palmar didn't pick up on this. Suspicion light by geript just passing by, he even gave him a reason to talk about himself and Palmar should love to do that.

What Palmar did instead was just try to get him lynched, I don't like that he ignores the stuff adressed at him though.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22370 Posts
August 30 2016 13:07 GMT
#652
So is it true you'd flip Trfel in this case just to confirm yourself as town or not?
It's meta based and you should be the one knowing it best.

Answering that question would give us a forecast of whether there's going to be a clinch between you and geript over your own meta, so far he seems to be the most interested guy into figuring out your alignment.

Not answering it keeps up a status quo that would suit you if you feel lazy, and that's not so cool.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22370 Posts
August 30 2016 13:27 GMT
#654
Retracting the TR on Trfel. While his pickup on the disfo oddity seemed good it happened during a spree of questions that makes it appear less original than I thought it was.

On August 29 2016 16:34 Trfel wrote:
Tumblewood

Tumblewood has made several reads this game but it doesn't feel like he cares about those reads at all. One big example of this is his Palmar read:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2016 06:35 Tumblewood wrote:
maybe palmar's mafia
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2016 06:36 Tumblewood wrote:
idk I feel like if you applied that read to every situation you'd lynch scum the same amount as normal.
Tumblewood feels a bit unsure and apathetic about Palmar's scumread of Rels, but still seems to think that Palmar may be mafia. Yet when I asked him for more about this read, he said no.

In addition, there is no continuity to his reads. It just doesn't seem like he cares about his reads at all.

Thoughts?


Also don't understand why he's not joining the TW wagon having posted this earlier. Shouldn't he be like, remembering what he posted here and happy to jump on TW and digging this up again?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22370 Posts
August 30 2016 13:54 GMT
#656
Fair warning this will be one of the games where I change reads often I feel it. So I'm going to step on a lot of toes, and I might seem all over the place. But at the end of the day I should have a clear idea of where to look.

On August 30 2016 00:50 DanelerH wrote:
Rels certainly seems suspicious for having ony said "yo", then disappearing, but I don't think we have enough information to lynch him. I'm more interested in Geript right now. Other than the posts in the spoiler below, his strange reads are pretty much all he's said. It would be one thing if they were ordered by person, then gives an alignment after each one, but they're ordered by timestamp, which makes them seem a lot less coherent. As Palmar pointed out, there is also a pretty blatant contradiction in his read on Race Bannon. Because of this, I think I'm going to vote for Geript, as well.

+ Show Spoiler +

On August 29 2016 10:39 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2016 06:54 Palmar wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:46 Trfel wrote:
Oh boy, disformation, I can't wait to see how you react if/when I actually push you

For you less meta-inclined people, Palmar and Vivax are very likely town ^^

at least if Trfel is mafia and ever flips I'm spewed confirmed town status. That's nice.

This is the most interesting post so far. I'm surprised Palmar doesn't want to lynch Trfel; usually, he'd be more than happy to flip someone he doesn't think is town in hopes to confirm himself.


On August 29 2016 10:54 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2016 10:51 scott31337 wrote:
On August 29 2016 10:39 geript wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:54 Palmar wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:46 Trfel wrote:
Oh boy, disformation, I can't wait to see how you react if/when I actually push you

For you less meta-inclined people, Palmar and Vivax are very likely town ^^

at least if Trfel is mafia and ever flips I'm spewed confirmed town status. That's nice.

This is the most interesting post so far. I'm surprised Palmar doesn't want to lynch Trfel; usually, he'd be more than happy to flip someone he doesn't think is town in hopes to confirm himself.


[image loading]

I do, but I'm at work. You'll get them later tonight.



##vote Geript


This post reads a lot like the type of post mafia makes to join a wagon. Mostly cause he overemphasizes the importance of Rels saying yo then disappearing. When I made the "case" on Rels I wasn't even that serious, I was just trying to push Palmar's argument forward with a bit of fun. The placement of mentioning that is also odd, don't ask me why, I just think it doesn't belong in a post that's supposed to be his entry ticket to the geript wagon.

He mentions it right before finding some own lazy reasons to join the geript wagon that seem overexplanatory when Palmar gave him a reason just a few posts before.

You only tend to do that stuff when you're afraid of looking scummy for andwagoning too easily.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22370 Posts
August 30 2016 14:10 GMT
#659
HF is very sheepable this game. Moreso than Palmar, even though he will hate me for saying this.

I never get who the hell Dan talks about when he says xym/xe, there is no player going by that name can you for the love of god use the actual names or do you have a chinese autocorrect turned on?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22370 Posts
August 30 2016 14:45 GMT
#667
Trfel posted pretty good reasons to scumread scott, I could use him putting that into relation to what he said about Tumble earlier. Dunno, maybe he just thinks my case is good, which he absolutely should. Scott is still skating by with some weird vote analysis only he understands.

What irritates me about Trfel is the extremely diplomatic and orderly tone he has but I can't remember that not being his town play. So just something that seems scummy to me but actually isn't. Given that the only options he has are scott and tumble and he chose scott he's going to be my friend this day.

The flips will tell.

On August 30 2016 23:36 Race Bannon wrote:
It's a tone read, and easily mistakable for semantic nitpicking. But there is substance behind it, in terms of everything coming together in a way that exposes Vivax as a dirty little scumfuck.


I like this post. If you gonna call me mafia at least call me a dirty little scumfuck, or a conspiring backstabber. Just don't randomly shit on my posts.

You are absolutely right that I left Tumble's relationship towards Rels open to interpretation, I thought that if they aren't mafia together, they could still be an internet couple, or business partners. Who knows!
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22370 Posts
August 30 2016 15:00 GMT
#669
Rels, TW, Scott seems like a decent, but very easy D1 guess. But it seems to be such a common opinion that there's no swag in adopting it.

Switching to TW now would mean that I admit defeat of my own case. And it can not be what must not be. Maybe on D2, but D2 will be full of wagon analysis from D1 that will change all the pieces.

I am sure the three scummers in this game have no thread presence, maybe disfo has some if he's mafia, but that's not a matter for D1. If Palmar is one of them he's in full bus mode on TW right now. TW even replied to Koshi's case "true, something something", which seems like he capitulated.

Palmar abandoned his push on geript in super lightning mode once it stopped gaining traction which I don't like at all.

So maybe there is a bit of swagger to be had still. Palmar, Tumblewood and...scott? Like Palmar didn't even spend a single post on the case on scott, maybe cause he felt like he didn't have to since it's still very much under the radar. But I feel like Palmar is mafia in this game, cause for the fact he's playing there's very little conviction behind his own arguments, and he sucked up to Koshi which is a nono for town Palmar.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22370 Posts
August 30 2016 15:02 GMT
#670
On August 30 2016 23:57 Race Bannon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2016 23:45 Vivax wrote:
I like this post. If you gonna call me mafia at least call me a dirty little scumfuck, or a conspiring backstabber. Just don't randomly shit on my posts.

It would make sense for you to say that, if your case was good. Do you believe your case was good?

I'm asking because I believe that scumhunting is about forcing scum into a corner where they have to lie, and hope that I can tell when that happens.


Absolutely I believe my case was good, I also believe the arguments on TW are good. I am just too proud to admit it and switch my vote, which won't be necessary cause I'm fairly sure mafia is getting trashed.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22370 Posts
August 30 2016 15:07 GMT
#672
On August 29 2016 06:35 Tumblewood wrote:
maybe palmar's mafia


On August 29 2016 06:26 scott31337 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2016 06:25 Palmar wrote:
1st page analysis suggests Rels is 100% mafia.


Palmar playing on a weekend is extremely suspicious.


I just had a little flashback.

These posts were so early in the game and so out of line with what everybody else was thinking, that it makes me believe they were soft bussing Palmar like newbs.

Geript posted something similar later but concluded with having no clue still, so not quite the same category (phew)
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22370 Posts
August 30 2016 15:10 GMT
#674
I am perfectly happy with the scum triangle scott, TW, Palmar. You read it here first!
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22370 Posts
August 30 2016 15:18 GMT
#677
On August 31 2016 00:17 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2016 00:00 Vivax wrote:
[...]
TW even replied to Koshi's case "true, something something", which seems like he capitulated.
[...]

Can you fetch me that post? Cause to me it looks more like:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2016 08:05 Tumblewood wrote:
btw Koshi your read sucks



On August 30 2016 13:01 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2016 09:44 DanelerH wrote:
On August 30 2016 09:37 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 30 2016 08:49 DanelerH wrote:
Tumblewood, do you mind clarifying something for me?

On August 29 2016 06:36 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:35 Trfel wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:35 Tumblewood wrote:
maybe palmar's mafia
Please explain?

nah no thanks


Why did you refuse to elaborate on Palmar being Mafia?


that was all I had to say


Isn't that odd, though? Normally, if you want someone to see your point of view, you need to give a reason. Why wouldn't you give one?

that's a good thought to have, but it was just an idea that popped into my head for no good reason. I think I saw Palmar trying to get cheeky but what does that even mean. I no longer think Palmar is mafia
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2016 12:07 Tictock wrote:

Tumblewood:


Here is another read I'm totally flipping on. Tumblewood's read progression doesn't make any sense to me.
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 29 2016 11:45 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2016 11:13 Tictock wrote:
On August 29 2016 11:01 scott31337 wrote:
On August 29 2016 10:59 Tumblewood wrote:
wow this is a bad game even by my low standards. can someone carry me


Umm, I think the game has been going decently well. Every body has posted at least once, and I started my spreadsheet and have notes for everybody.

Could you tell me more?


I hadn't noticed that everyone had posted.

Points to you for paying attention.

why is that a townlean

...

OH SHIT
tinfoil here, Scott is scum and intentionally dropping that he he's using a spreadsheet for town cred
or not, maybe

tinfoil's scott as scum

+ Show Spoiler +
On August 29 2016 14:38 Tumblewood wrote:
meh I like scott now

On August 29 2016 14:38 Tumblewood wrote:
new scott > afk scott
and is also probably town


now likes scott for not being afk, also implies he wasn't joking about scott possibly being scum
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 30 2016 03:08 Tumblewood wrote:
yes. compared to newbie xxi, in which he is much more attack-y. definitely seeing more similarity to his scum meta and his town meta.
got 'em boys
next target: palmar or holyflare

Starts scum reading me though he got lazy in building his meta, suggests palmar or holyflare are his next suspects.

+ Show Spoiler +
On August 30 2016 09:39 Tumblewood wrote:
town
vivax
daneler

also probably town
hf

scummy
tt
scott?

null/don't care yet
most people


Suddenly Scott is scummy again, HF is town despite no new mentions, and apparently doesn't care about Palmar.

I'm tempted to go off on a tinfoil here, but I'll try to hold off because it's fairly associative. There is definitely something weird going on with Tumble though, I thought maybe he was just being lazy town but it's looking worse.

Definitely feels like a good lynch.

##Vote: Tumblewood
ah tru I am known for being erratic as scum and clear as town

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