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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
August 29 2016 17:56 GMT
#437
tt is scum for being too constructive. compare tt in shin megami tensei to tt in this game; in shin megami tensei I remember him reacting to everything in an obviously constructive but not-really-natural way. in this game I feel the same way about him. brb finding the post I'm thinking about
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
August 29 2016 17:59 GMT
#438
hm I should have made this post yesterday when I saw this and remembered the post. maybe this was it?
On August 29 2016 12:01 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2016 11:54 DanelerH wrote:
but I'm still unfamiliar with everyone's playstyles.


To be honest sometimes being familiar with people can be as much a hindrance as a help.

I wouldn't place so much importance on it.

Besides sometimes half the fun is just in trying to figure out why this strange dude is posting like he is. Looking at you Race...

also the points/demerits shit. substitute for actually doing stuff. he's so polite though and my feels alarm is going off
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
August 29 2016 18:04 GMT
#440
intriguing tictock fiasco: makes this post
On February 16 2016 15:32 Tictock wrote:
Tumblewood
nooniansoong
The Shining
mderg
GlowingBear

These are the people who need to post more.

Rsoul is someone I have no idea how to read. Besides Outlaw have we played together before?

I might only know her via Co-hosting.

in a scum game, and makes a similar post this game. sources await whether this is a thing that happens in his town games.
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
August 29 2016 18:08 GMT
#441
yes. compared to newbie xxi, in which he is much more attack-y. definitely seeing more similarity to his scum meta and his town meta.
got 'em boys
next target: palmar or holyflare
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
August 29 2016 18:11 GMT
#443
On August 30 2016 03:10 Trfel wrote:
Holyflare, what do you think about Tumblewood's posts on Tictock? Especially since you said that you're also suspicious of Tictock.

actually next target trfel. or maybe I can save myself some time by asking whether trfel constantly asks "X, what do you think of Y?" as town/scum
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
August 29 2016 21:16 GMT
#515
On August 30 2016 05:27 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2016 03:11 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 30 2016 03:10 Trfel wrote:
Holyflare, what do you think about Tumblewood's posts on Tictock? Especially since you said that you're also suspicious of Tictock.

actually next target trfel. or maybe I can save myself some time by asking whether trfel constantly asks "X, what do you think of Y?" as town/scum

HF posts a giant case on him and 4 posts later he decides to not comment on HF or the case on him? Nha. I don't believe this is town TW with nothing to lose.

I come and go as I please thank you very much
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
August 29 2016 21:19 GMT
#516
seriously koshi you are absurdly tunneled. everything I do is scummy to you. you have literally ignored everything in the game that does not reaffirm your case on me. this is worse than I've ever seen you. usually it's at least not till d2 or you have multiple people or you notice that there are other people in the game
this is an intervention
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
August 29 2016 21:28 GMT
#518
I have a plan that is completely unrelated to everything else I've said
if you are rels, stop reading here

...

okay maybe this wasn't what I remember, but somewhere in this qt rels had a post (maybe it was this one)
RelsPerson was signed in when posted
07-21-2016
07:14 AM ET (US)
/m17 be convinced of waht you're saying
and I won't be lynched today no worries

maybe someone who is good can find this but it would be useful to look at how he planned on defending against his lynch D1 in 72hours. or we can just look at how he actually did it. if he remains afk I'll probably vote him in ~6 hours because how he reacts to pressure will be telling.
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
August 29 2016 21:34 GMT
#520
wowww did rb really vote koshi in the voting thread? if that doesn't change soon I will be very suspicious of rb. although for now I think this game is different from rb's other two scum games (newbie XX and idk some other game) that looked a lot like luna's town meta. maybe the metamorphosis to spambeast has changed rb's meta a lot though.
back to the koshi vote. if it's semi-serious it's bad
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
August 29 2016 21:37 GMT
#525
strangely I am legit considering koshi as mafia... on the other hand probably omgus
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
August 29 2016 21:37 GMT
#526
damn rels is playing now
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
August 29 2016 21:39 GMT
#528
On August 30 2016 06:34 Holyflare wrote:
Tumble, it's cool we'll do that. Focus on the people playing for now please? Perhaps expand on your tt read?

what if instead I condensed my tt read + Show Spoiler +
and for the record rels is playing now

towntock steps on toes
scumtock does not
tictock is currently not stepping on any toes
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
August 29 2016 21:57 GMT
#539
at this point tbh I don't know why anyone is still on rels. I think it's incredibly confident to say you have a solid read on someone from just their entrance post.
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
August 30 2016 00:26 GMT
#568
On August 30 2016 07:55 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2016 21:50 Vivax wrote:
Methinks we are all on a wrong track atm. We were until I found enlightenment.

Spoilered road to enlightenment.
+ Show Spoiler +

I thought to myself "why are you wrong so many times on D1 Vivax?Why?".
The answer is that mafia is a hard game, best played after carefully finding out how mafia plays in finished games.
So I went ahead and read a bit of Who needs 72 hours anyway mafia with the Rels Grack and TUmble scum team.

Rels entered the thread with a qt joke and talking about mechanics.
Grack was the most interesting cause I found someone to compare him to in this game.
Tumble was mostly lazily throwing around reads.

So I'll go right ahead and tell you who our D1 lynch is. It's scott.

What I noticed in Grack in the other game was that he tended to attach to a lot of issues simultaneously by posting semi contributive posts that tended to end with questions , then he would jump to other issues the actual townies were talking about without pursuing the previously happened discussion. He would also occasionally post jokish stuff.

So if I had to make a summary of how mafia played:

- no own agenda, just reacting to townies and their topics.
- no committment to what he said.
- liked opportunities to start talking about hogwash.
- + one could go on about finding similarities.

Anyway, let me proceed with formulating how all of this actually makes scott mafia.

THE CASE ON SCOTT


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On August 29 2016 06:08 scott31337 wrote:
Woohoo! Let's do this.

On August 29 2016 05:59 Trfel wrote:
Beentheredonethat is the worst cohost on TL.

I didn't think he would be cruel enough to make me mafia two games in a row


Hmmmm- would Trfel be this bold? Or a big bag of WIFOM?


Question that doesn't show any own opinion and is left unattended for the rest of his posts. It was just the hot topic at the time so he drops it to appear invested.

Random reactive question that seems irrelevant even to himself. Check.

On August 29 2016 06:24 scott31337 wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:21 Koshi wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:21 Tumblewood wrote:
gonna jump on the "talk about trfel" ship
doesn't make a whole lot of sense that trfel would jokingly claim scum and then shift right into serious mode. well, maybe a little. I still don't like it.
vivax is also probably town for getting pissed at that.

Or he is mafia with him!

2 found?


More of what I was thinking


Simply mirrors what Koshi said in his next post. Apparently thinks I'm mafia with Trfel but so far he didn't even spell it out once.

Low committment to his declared opinion. Check.

On August 29 2016 06:26 scott31337 wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:25 Palmar wrote:
1st page analysis suggests Rels is 100% mafia.


Palmar playing on a weekend is extremely suspicious.


Random low seriousness post. Check.

On August 29 2016 06:46 scott31337 wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:33 Palmar wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:30 disformation wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:29 Palmar wrote:
This is not a joke btw. Rels is probably mafia.

please enlighten me.
for instantly disappearing after posting a 2 character post? Is that a meta thing for him?

Ah fantastic.

No, it's absolutely not a meta thing.

You see, one of the most underrated difficult things to do in mafia is to "enter" the thread. Rels' entrance was, unlike just about everyone else on the frontpage, completely unattached to the game or to anything else going on in it. If he was in the thread at the time, he definitely had the time to read the like... 5? posts that had been posted, or at least stuck around to say one or two more things.

But no, he came into the thread, because there is an inherent pressure on people to actually participate in threads, especially mafia feel like "I must post". Yet he clearly had no real will or intention to stay in the thread, as his silence since that one greeting proves.

He is, of the people that posted early, by far the most likely to be mafia.


So just for fun, I checked Rel's two last games as Mafia that are in the database -http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=494436&user=Rels&view=all http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=494873&user=Rels&view=all

So one was Palmar's witch game where he comes in and starts talking about game setup crap for an entrance (well can't really do that here)
and the other he starts just talking shit

Rels doesn't enter games with any information, he usually just talks.

This could be a good idea.



Just for fun he checks Rels last two games.

He comes to a completely different conclusion than Palmar. Bolded.
"Wait, Rels actually just talks about unimportant stuff as mafia early".BUT
"Palmar could have a good idea" even though what Palmar is saying is that Rels doesn't talk.

Appeasing and weak opinion that isn't in line with his findings. Check.

On August 29 2016 06:50 scott31337 wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:44 disformation wrote:
Eh, what do you think of Trfel?
Am I going full OMGUS on a town here, cause he is pushing me over nothing, or is he scum pushing me over nothing?

Would actually like some pressure on Rels, so he comes back and actually plays.


He saw how townie you played in the last game, did he build a lot of respect from you of it, because I would think he would find easier targets, you know what I mean?


I have trouble understanding this but I think what scott is saying here is that Trfel would find easier targets as mafia. Anyway this is his chance to get back to talk about Trfel's entrance but he doesn't take it even though he appeared to be interested into it earlier.

Another reactionary post to (what I think) a townie said. Check.

On August 29 2016 07:10 scott31337 wrote:
On August 29 2016 07:07 Race Bannon wrote:
I hope the host provided the scumteam with the VT flavor, or this will be a concise town victory.


This post doesn't make any sense. It's in the OP.

Did you roll mafia again?


Not "This post doesn't make any sense, you are mafia!", but "are you mafia again?". Hiding behind questions to not have to do anything even with a good reason to. Check.

On August 29 2016 07:40 scott31337 wrote:
On August 29 2016 07:38 Holyflare wrote:
##vote disformation


Looks like you're not my buddy this game... How sad


His buddy? How is HF even supposed to be his buddy. Scott doesn't have an own agenda HF could support. Check.

On August 29 2016 11:01 scott31337 wrote:
On August 29 2016 10:59 Tumblewood wrote:
wow this is a bad game even by my low standards. can someone carry me


Umm, I think the game has been going decently well. Every body has posted at least once, and I started my spreadsheet and have notes for everybody.

Could you tell me more?


Random question.

On August 29 2016 11:14 scott31337 wrote:
DanelerH Where are you located in the world if you don't mind me asking? Or more or less, what time zone?


Useless question.

On August 29 2016 11:26 scott31337 wrote:
Awesome, I'm Pacific, and see a lot of the EU posts when I wake up - so wanted to know where you stood - more than half our players are from Europe/Iceland.


COol, now he's talking about our timezones. He apparently thinks that knowing Danielers timezone he can get information about his alignment?

On August 29 2016 11:33 scott31337 wrote:
Do you have anything else to add? What do you think of Race Bannon's posts?


Random questions.

On August 29 2016 11:58 scott31337 wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:47 disformation wrote:
Yes Vivax much town. wow.


Maybe the others have a point - you have a town on Vivax and a scumread on Rels - anything else?


Random questions.

Back to the earlier posts, don't you think he should have me and Trfel as scummy? Do you see anything of the sort in his later posts? Nope .

Rest of his filter is short enough that you can go through it by yourself, but scott is mafiAAAAAAAA and we have to lynch him. Pls help me lynch him town

This is a really good case

ty for getting me to actually read it. it is a pretty good case
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
August 30 2016 00:28 GMT
#569
On August 30 2016 08:34 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2016 02:59 Tumblewood wrote:
hm I should have made this post yesterday when I saw this and remembered the post. maybe this was it?
On August 29 2016 12:01 Tictock wrote:
On August 29 2016 11:54 DanelerH wrote:
but I'm still unfamiliar with everyone's playstyles.


To be honest sometimes being familiar with people can be as much a hindrance as a help.

I wouldn't place so much importance on it.

Besides sometimes half the fun is just in trying to figure out why this strange dude is posting like he is. Looking at you Race...

also the points/demerits shit. substitute for actually doing stuff. he's so polite though and my feels alarm is going off


Since this is the 2nd person to accuse me of being mafia for "being too nice" does this mean everyone thinks I'm an asshole as town?

deference is a good word for what I see
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
August 30 2016 00:37 GMT
#574
On August 30 2016 08:49 DanelerH wrote:
Tumblewood, do you mind clarifying something for me?

Show nested quote +
On August 29 2016 06:36 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:35 Trfel wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:35 Tumblewood wrote:
maybe palmar's mafia
Please explain?

nah no thanks


Why did you refuse to elaborate on Palmar being Mafia?


that was all I had to say
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
August 30 2016 00:39 GMT
#575
town
vivax
daneler

also probably town
hf

scummy
tt
scott?

null/don't care yet
most people
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
August 30 2016 04:01 GMT
#585
On August 30 2016 09:44 DanelerH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2016 09:37 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 30 2016 08:49 DanelerH wrote:
Tumblewood, do you mind clarifying something for me?

On August 29 2016 06:36 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:35 Trfel wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:35 Tumblewood wrote:
maybe palmar's mafia
Please explain?

nah no thanks


Why did you refuse to elaborate on Palmar being Mafia?


that was all I had to say


Isn't that odd, though? Normally, if you want someone to see your point of view, you need to give a reason. Why wouldn't you give one?

that's a good thought to have, but it was just an idea that popped into my head for no good reason. I think I saw Palmar trying to get cheeky but what does that even mean. I no longer think Palmar is mafia
On August 30 2016 12:07 Tictock wrote:

Tumblewood:


Here is another read I'm totally flipping on. Tumblewood's read progression doesn't make any sense to me.
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 29 2016 11:45 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2016 11:13 Tictock wrote:
On August 29 2016 11:01 scott31337 wrote:
On August 29 2016 10:59 Tumblewood wrote:
wow this is a bad game even by my low standards. can someone carry me


Umm, I think the game has been going decently well. Every body has posted at least once, and I started my spreadsheet and have notes for everybody.

Could you tell me more?


I hadn't noticed that everyone had posted.

Points to you for paying attention.

why is that a townlean

...

OH SHIT
tinfoil here, Scott is scum and intentionally dropping that he he's using a spreadsheet for town cred
or not, maybe

tinfoil's scott as scum

+ Show Spoiler +
On August 29 2016 14:38 Tumblewood wrote:
meh I like scott now

On August 29 2016 14:38 Tumblewood wrote:
new scott > afk scott
and is also probably town


now likes scott for not being afk, also implies he wasn't joking about scott possibly being scum
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 30 2016 03:08 Tumblewood wrote:
yes. compared to newbie xxi, in which he is much more attack-y. definitely seeing more similarity to his scum meta and his town meta.
got 'em boys
next target: palmar or holyflare

Starts scum reading me though he got lazy in building his meta, suggests palmar or holyflare are his next suspects.

+ Show Spoiler +
On August 30 2016 09:39 Tumblewood wrote:
town
vivax
daneler

also probably town
hf

scummy
tt
scott?

null/don't care yet
most people


Suddenly Scott is scummy again, HF is town despite no new mentions, and apparently doesn't care about Palmar.

I'm tempted to go off on a tinfoil here, but I'll try to hold off because it's fairly associative. There is definitely something weird going on with Tumble though, I thought maybe he was just being lazy town but it's looking worse.

Definitely feels like a good lynch.

##Vote: Tumblewood
ah tru I am known for being erratic as scum and clear as town
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
August 30 2016 04:03 GMT
#586
On August 30 2016 12:30 DanelerH wrote:
That reminds me. Tumblewood, in addition to Palmar, you also suspected Koshi of being Mafia. Why are they suddenly under "null/don't care yet"?

it's a weak suspicion. mostly my reaction when someone slips into the town category in my mind and then I think "oh, maybe they could be scum" or "why am I townreading them"
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
August 30 2016 16:57 GMT
#693
On August 31 2016 01:40 DanelerH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2016 13:03 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 30 2016 12:30 DanelerH wrote:
That reminds me. Tumblewood, in addition to Palmar, you also suspected Koshi of being Mafia. Why are they suddenly under "null/don't care yet"?

it's a weak suspicion. mostly my reaction when someone slips into the town category in my mind and then I think "oh, maybe they could be scum" or "why am I townreading them"


One more question for you, then. Why are your reads on Scott so erratic?

mostly as a result of me changing my mind based on new information brought to light
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