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Alright, I'm preoccupied for the next hour but I am concerned about a few things.
Koshi has been acting anti-town for this cycle. There are 3 theoretical reasons why.
Could he be (default or converted) mafia? Absolutely. Could he be default or converted third party? Absolutely.
Defaulting to him however is a cop-out as far as I'm concerned. There were and still are at least two other if not three other mafia that are just coasting right now. It could be any in the line of Kurumi, Luna, Fecalfeast, Stutters or Kitaman as I suspect is the active mafia. Kitaman as mafia plays a clean mafia game, which is quite easy to do when there are a shittonne of scummy/inactive townies. And mafia like those are very hard to put together a good case against.
I've mentioned several points about a Kita/Stutters team and ignoring anyone but Koshi is a red flag.
Stutters says just now he's "been following along" but provides zero in the way of reads or suggestions.
Stutters also ignored disformation's post.
sicklucker - Stutter's role PM, could have been true AND HE STILL IS LIKELY MAFIA.
The only thing I have had to work with with Trfel's filter to some extent and I tried already parallelign that to Kita's earlier reads.
Vivax kill points to a range of Kita/Rels/FF/SL.
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My vote at this point in time is for Damdred and Stutters.
I agree that Koshi is anti-town, but people aren't considering the why.
If someone wants to explain why Koshi was mafia BEFORE his behaviour changed drastically that's fine. But that's a different argument.
I'll be back in one hour.
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On August 26 2016 04:46 Rels wrote:
This doesn't even make sense. Town is most likely in lylo or close to it. Everything ive done has been against playing my wincon if I was scum. I tried to find scum, I tried to find as much scummy people I could and grt them killed, instead of hiding behind them. I hold the door even though we all know what happens to who hold the door.
So sicklucker. Shoot me only if you promise to get lynched afterwise
Hey Rels. Why are you more and more townsiding? If you are 3p survivor it would make sense you would mafia side the more the game goes on.
Like I said. Nothing in this game matters.
But I like you to answer this question 
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On August 26 2016 04:59 Half the Sky wrote:
My vote at this point in time is for Damdred and Stutters.
I agree that Koshi is anti-town, but people aren't considering the why.
If someone wants to explain why Koshi was mafia BEFORE his behaviour changed drastically that's fine. But that's a different argument.
I'll be back in one hour.
Sigh
After the prplhz death I took a long hard look at you but other than the shit flinging between you two I don't really disagree with most of the stuff you've said and your latest and greatest reads are about in line with mine as well.
I'm going off the assumption Koshi is 3p, if not we need to have a long conversation after this game about what it means to play to win vs play to secondary objectives bc there have been a frustrating amount of townies who have essentially said fuck winning and tried for secondary objectives.
Take stutters for example, playing blatantly anti town in hopes of getting vigi'd so that you can then kill more people upon death is NOT optimal town play. Stutters if you somehow flip town I hope you understand that even in a game like this, increasing random KP is almost never ever in the town's best interest. It is on the other hand great scum play as it would increase team kp. It would also go along with the trend we've seen/had people claim of nontown aligned players having after death mechanics.
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On August 26 2016 05:08 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2016 04:59 Half the Sky wrote:
My vote at this point in time is for Damdred and Stutters.
I agree that Koshi is anti-town, but people aren't considering the why.
If someone wants to explain why Koshi was mafia BEFORE his behaviour changed drastically that's fine. But that's a different argument.
I'll be back in one hour. Sigh After the prplhz death I took a long hard look at you but other than the shit flinging between you two I don't really disagree with most of the stuff you've said and your latest and greatest reads are about in line with mine as well. I'm going off the assumption Koshi is 3p, if not we need to have a long conversation after this game about what it means to play to win vs play to secondary objectives bc there have been a frustrating amount of townies who have essentially said fuck winning and tried for secondary objectives. Take stutters for example, playing blatantly anti town in hopes of getting vigi'd so that you can then kill more people upon death is NOT optimal town play. Stutters if you somehow flip town I hope you understand that even in a game like this, increasing random KP is almost never ever in the town's best interest. It is on the other hand great scum play as it would increase team kp. It would also go along with the trend we've seen/had people claim of nontown aligned players having after death mechanics.
This is why I killed Shapelog and Chez. It's a travesty to be honest, I mean if the mafia somehow manage to look more town than actual town people I don't know why people even sign up for these games. I'm getting tired of it.
I just hope Koshi will pull through even though he killed disformation <3.
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On August 26 2016 05:12 Lunaticman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2016 05:08 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On August 26 2016 04:59 Half the Sky wrote:
My vote at this point in time is for Damdred and Stutters.
I agree that Koshi is anti-town, but people aren't considering the why.
If someone wants to explain why Koshi was mafia BEFORE his behaviour changed drastically that's fine. But that's a different argument.
I'll be back in one hour. Sigh After the prplhz death I took a long hard look at you but other than the shit flinging between you two I don't really disagree with most of the stuff you've said and your latest and greatest reads are about in line with mine as well. I'm going off the assumption Koshi is 3p, if not we need to have a long conversation after this game about what it means to play to win vs play to secondary objectives bc there have been a frustrating amount of townies who have essentially said fuck winning and tried for secondary objectives. Take stutters for example, playing blatantly anti town in hopes of getting vigi'd so that you can then kill more people upon death is NOT optimal town play. Stutters if you somehow flip town I hope you understand that even in a game like this, increasing random KP is almost never ever in the town's best interest. It is on the other hand great scum play as it would increase team kp. It would also go along with the trend we've seen/had people claim of nontown aligned players having after death mechanics. This is why I killed Shapelog and Chez. It's a travesty to be honest, I mean if the mafia somehow manage to look more town than actual town people I don't know why people even sign up for these games. I'm getting tired of it. I just hope Koshi will pull through even though he killed disformation <3.
I will. But you won't like it. It is a bit of a travesty.
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I would be so down with someone slinging a nuke at koshi just out of spite so he can't win whatever his 3p wincon is but I have a depressing feeling he's immune.
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On August 26 2016 05:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I would be so down with someone slinging a nuke at koshi just out of spite so he can't win whatever his 3p wincon is but I have a depressing feeling he's immune.
The only thing I am immune to is losing.
I really don't understand why you people believe Rels is 3p. So funny.
Shall I claim 3p survivor?
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I kid I kid.
Rels totes town. Good survivor player.
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And if Damdred could explain why he made up the most obvious lie in ages that would be great as well. Because that shit also made 0 sense.
Endgame if needed.
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Well probably soon that is.
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On August 26 2016 02:27 Stutters695 wrote:
Damdred and Koshi seem like the correct play here
On August 26 2016 02:33 kitaman27 wrote:
damdred and koshi are the only two people worth considering here.
The "only" two Kitaman?
What about Rels (from your end) whom you've been all over, all game?
You realise we're dealing with a 5-player mafia team? Who are the rest?
And what else about that Trfel filter? Where did it lead you?
If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then...
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On August 26 2016 05:23 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2016 05:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I would be so down with someone slinging a nuke at koshi just out of spite so he can't win whatever his 3p wincon is but I have a depressing feeling he's immune.
The only thing I am immune to is losing. I really don't understand why you people believe Rels is 3p. So funny. Shall I claim 3p survivor?
I'm just treating this as a scum claim at this point.
Next game I have a gun in I'm shooting you N1 regardless of alignment out of spite.
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On August 26 2016 05:33 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2016 02:27 Stutters695 wrote:
Damdred and Koshi seem like the correct play here Show nested quote +On August 26 2016 02:33 kitaman27 wrote:
damdred and koshi are the only two people worth considering here. The "only" two Kitaman? What about Rels (from your end) whom you've been all over, all game? You realise we're dealing with a 5-player mafia team? Who are the rest? And what else about that Trfel filter? Where did it lead you? If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then...
You wanna switch to stutters?
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MZ, I have voted Damdred already, unless you are saying Stutters is more probable than Damdred.
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On August 26 2016 05:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2016 05:23 Koshi wrote:On August 26 2016 05:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I would be so down with someone slinging a nuke at koshi just out of spite so he can't win whatever his 3p wincon is but I have a depressing feeling he's immune.
The only thing I am immune to is losing. I really don't understand why you people believe Rels is 3p. So funny. Shall I claim 3p survivor? I'm just treating this as a scum claim at this point. Next game I have a gun in I'm shooting you N1 regardless of alignment out of spite.
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On August 26 2016 05:34 Half the Sky wrote:
MZ, I have voted Damdred already, unless you are saying Stutters is more probable than Damdred.
I mean between damdred and stutters I dislike stutter's play + claim more but we only have a few hours left so maybe it's fruitless
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But I think they are both scum.
My mafia team: kitaman/Trfel/Damdred/Stutters/+1 (Rels???????)
That's where I am now.
Koshi is probably not mafia for two reasons: he voted Damdred right after me and BEFORE his claim and second his post re: Rels just now.
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On August 26 2016 05:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2016 05:33 Half the Sky wrote:On August 26 2016 02:27 Stutters695 wrote:
Damdred and Koshi seem like the correct play here On August 26 2016 02:33 kitaman27 wrote:
damdred and koshi are the only two people worth considering here. The "only" two Kitaman? What about Rels (from your end) whom you've been all over, all game? You realise we're dealing with a 5-player mafia team? Who are the rest? And what else about that Trfel filter? Where did it lead you? If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then... You wanna switch to stutters?
nha let's vote the guy who claimed mafia and everybody voted.
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