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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7468 Posts
August 20 2016 21:28 GMT
#2721
On August 21 2016 06:24 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2016 06:21 Chezinu wrote:
On August 21 2016 04:24 Koshi wrote:
On August 21 2016 04:02 Lunaticman wrote:
Sorry been away playing board games:

I can make a choice:


1: Five year plan:
Boosts the economy of the soviet union, increasing the wealth of all it's inhabitants

2: Prepare for an invasion:
Modernize the Soviet Army. This will allow the USSR to invade another region in later phases

3: KGB
Poison any player in the game with radioactive materials. That player will then die at the end of day 3.

4. Nuclear time
Launch a nuclear missile at any player.

We could use 3 if we have a cure to pressure somebody. IN THEORY I would be able to remove the poison during D3. However, this is not confirmed but it would somehow be possible due to a spell I have.


Can you cure me? I've been living in the USSR with tons of explosions everywhere... WHAT IF I R INFECTED!!!!!

OH WAIT! The zombies can't touch me!!! I are radioactives!! which is totes anti-zombie. Well, zombie are leaving now... so cures would be the cools!!!


What do you know about Ilya Ivanov?


oh geez... uh... he was in Africa for a while doing some nasty stuff with some monkeys.. after failing, we tried impregnating women with some monkey stuff... but the people didn't want him to do it in the hospital... there was no consent. The people killed him.. Did this stuff really happen? I doubt he kept any records of his crimes.
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
August 20 2016 21:28 GMT
#2722
On August 21 2016 06:26 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2016 06:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On August 21 2016 06:00 Trfel wrote:
On August 21 2016 05:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On August 21 2016 05:25 Trfel wrote:
On August 21 2016 05:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On August 21 2016 05:17 Trfel wrote:
Artanis, why do you think I am mafia?

You're a lot more useful when you're town. You've barely been around and your first scumread on me was thinking I was disformation. Since then, it feels like you've just decided to call me scum anyway. I don't see any real evolution in your reads and no conviction behind anything you're doing.

A small side thing was the usage of XD in the QT's which is something I think you're likely to use.
Here's the thing I don't understand. You are a lot more useful when you are town than in this game. And you've already presented reasons that (I assume) you consider valid to explain this. Why is this a valid reason?

There is really no motivation for me to play the game when I have no ability to do anything. I've been sharing suspicious people who should be dealt with, but I can't do anything about it myself, and I don't even know who has KP or alignment checks.

I need to eat lunch, be back in a bit.

I have been very useful since I've been suspected. This has happened in plenty of other games in which I am town; I'm commonly considered for the Day 1 or Day 2 lynch, then this cycle where I get upset/annoyed and spout out a bunch of content happens and I'm mostly treated as confirmed town for the rest of the game. You've been suspected the entire game, and haven't done anything despite that. There's a lynch up and you're still not doing anything.
I really don't understand how you can think this.

I'm very happy with the targets getting lynched. Are you not? Should I not be?

Why should I be doing anything else?

You mentioned Tumblewood. In your reads he's the top person in both lists, yet you're not expanding on him at all. Your list is very long but there appears to be no hierarchy in them. You're not working to find out which are the most likely to be scum between them, or if you have, you haven't made that clear at all. Who do you want to lynch the most, and who do you think isn't actually scum? What are you doing to discern the alignments of the people in your list?

Answer: Nothing.
On August 21 2016 06:04 Koshi wrote:
On August 21 2016 05:13 Half the Sky wrote:
This is what the votes look like now with 1h45 left.

Europe:
IAMP (6): disformation, HTS, Koshi, MZ, Artanis, Dandel Ion, disformation, Artanis, HTS, Trfel
Artanis (4): Koshi, disformation, Rels, Kitaman, HTS, FF, sicklucker
GlowingBear (1): Rels
Damdred (0): Artanis

USA:
Skynx (8): Koshi, disformation, Rels, Kitaman, HTS, Fecalfeast, MZ, Dandel Ion, Artanis, sicklucker
Trfel (1): Artanis
GlowingBear (0): disformation, HTS, Artanis
sicklucker (0): Koshi

Let's do iamp first and give artanis another day.

##unvoteeu
##vote iamp

I have done enough today. If you still scumread me you should probably just kill me now and then follow my list.
List order is player filter order.

I think that everyone on those lists is likely anti town. I'm probably wrong on a few, sure, but reasons are there and they are good, and very readily apparent from filters.

Town isn't supposed to direct town power roles.

Where are you going with this?

You're.. not doing anything. That's been the point all along. Now you're asking me "why should I put in effort to find out who is the scummiest person when they're all doing things that make them look scummy?"

Are we playing the same game?
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7468 Posts
August 20 2016 21:29 GMT
#2723
On August 21 2016 06:28 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2016 06:24 kitaman27 wrote:
On August 21 2016 06:21 Chezinu wrote:
On August 21 2016 04:24 Koshi wrote:
On August 21 2016 04:02 Lunaticman wrote:
Sorry been away playing board games:

I can make a choice:


1: Five year plan:
Boosts the economy of the soviet union, increasing the wealth of all it's inhabitants

2: Prepare for an invasion:
Modernize the Soviet Army. This will allow the USSR to invade another region in later phases

3: KGB
Poison any player in the game with radioactive materials. That player will then die at the end of day 3.

4. Nuclear time
Launch a nuclear missile at any player.

We could use 3 if we have a cure to pressure somebody. IN THEORY I would be able to remove the poison during D3. However, this is not confirmed but it would somehow be possible due to a spell I have.


Can you cure me? I've been living in the USSR with tons of explosions everywhere... WHAT IF I R INFECTED!!!!!

OH WAIT! The zombies can't touch me!!! I are radioactives!! which is totes anti-zombie. Well, zombie are leaving now... so cures would be the cools!!!


What do you know about Ilya Ivanov?


oh geez... uh... he was in Africa for a while doing some nasty stuff with some monkeys.. after failing, we tried impregnating women with some monkey stuff... but the people didn't want him to do it in the hospital... there was no consent. The people killed him.. Did this stuff really happen? I doubt he kept any records of his crimes.

he***** not we..... not a psychological slip at alls!
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7468 Posts
August 20 2016 21:30 GMT
#2724
On August 21 2016 06:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2016 06:26 Trfel wrote:
On August 21 2016 06:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On August 21 2016 06:00 Trfel wrote:
On August 21 2016 05:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On August 21 2016 05:25 Trfel wrote:
On August 21 2016 05:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On August 21 2016 05:17 Trfel wrote:
Artanis, why do you think I am mafia?

You're a lot more useful when you're town. You've barely been around and your first scumread on me was thinking I was disformation. Since then, it feels like you've just decided to call me scum anyway. I don't see any real evolution in your reads and no conviction behind anything you're doing.

A small side thing was the usage of XD in the QT's which is something I think you're likely to use.
Here's the thing I don't understand. You are a lot more useful when you are town than in this game. And you've already presented reasons that (I assume) you consider valid to explain this. Why is this a valid reason?

There is really no motivation for me to play the game when I have no ability to do anything. I've been sharing suspicious people who should be dealt with, but I can't do anything about it myself, and I don't even know who has KP or alignment checks.

I need to eat lunch, be back in a bit.

I have been very useful since I've been suspected. This has happened in plenty of other games in which I am town; I'm commonly considered for the Day 1 or Day 2 lynch, then this cycle where I get upset/annoyed and spout out a bunch of content happens and I'm mostly treated as confirmed town for the rest of the game. You've been suspected the entire game, and haven't done anything despite that. There's a lynch up and you're still not doing anything.
I really don't understand how you can think this.

I'm very happy with the targets getting lynched. Are you not? Should I not be?

Why should I be doing anything else?

You mentioned Tumblewood. In your reads he's the top person in both lists, yet you're not expanding on him at all. Your list is very long but there appears to be no hierarchy in them. You're not working to find out which are the most likely to be scum between them, or if you have, you haven't made that clear at all. Who do you want to lynch the most, and who do you think isn't actually scum? What are you doing to discern the alignments of the people in your list?

Answer: Nothing.
On August 21 2016 06:04 Koshi wrote:
On August 21 2016 05:13 Half the Sky wrote:
This is what the votes look like now with 1h45 left.

Europe:
IAMP (6): disformation, HTS, Koshi, MZ, Artanis, Dandel Ion, disformation, Artanis, HTS, Trfel
Artanis (4): Koshi, disformation, Rels, Kitaman, HTS, FF, sicklucker
GlowingBear (1): Rels
Damdred (0): Artanis

USA:
Skynx (8): Koshi, disformation, Rels, Kitaman, HTS, Fecalfeast, MZ, Dandel Ion, Artanis, sicklucker
Trfel (1): Artanis
GlowingBear (0): disformation, HTS, Artanis
sicklucker (0): Koshi

Let's do iamp first and give artanis another day.

##unvoteeu
##vote iamp

I have done enough today. If you still scumread me you should probably just kill me now and then follow my list.
List order is player filter order.

I think that everyone on those lists is likely anti town. I'm probably wrong on a few, sure, but reasons are there and they are good, and very readily apparent from filters.

Town isn't supposed to direct town power roles.

Where are you going with this?

You're.. not doing anything. That's been the point all along. Now you're asking me "why should I put in effort to find out who is the scummiest person when they're all doing things that make them look scummy?"

Are we playing the same game?


Do you believe their is a faction called mafia? Is nationality above faction?
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
August 20 2016 21:31 GMT
#2725
On August 21 2016 06:30 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2016 06:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On August 21 2016 06:26 Trfel wrote:
On August 21 2016 06:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On August 21 2016 06:00 Trfel wrote:
On August 21 2016 05:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On August 21 2016 05:25 Trfel wrote:
On August 21 2016 05:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On August 21 2016 05:17 Trfel wrote:
Artanis, why do you think I am mafia?

You're a lot more useful when you're town. You've barely been around and your first scumread on me was thinking I was disformation. Since then, it feels like you've just decided to call me scum anyway. I don't see any real evolution in your reads and no conviction behind anything you're doing.

A small side thing was the usage of XD in the QT's which is something I think you're likely to use.
Here's the thing I don't understand. You are a lot more useful when you are town than in this game. And you've already presented reasons that (I assume) you consider valid to explain this. Why is this a valid reason?

There is really no motivation for me to play the game when I have no ability to do anything. I've been sharing suspicious people who should be dealt with, but I can't do anything about it myself, and I don't even know who has KP or alignment checks.

I need to eat lunch, be back in a bit.

I have been very useful since I've been suspected. This has happened in plenty of other games in which I am town; I'm commonly considered for the Day 1 or Day 2 lynch, then this cycle where I get upset/annoyed and spout out a bunch of content happens and I'm mostly treated as confirmed town for the rest of the game. You've been suspected the entire game, and haven't done anything despite that. There's a lynch up and you're still not doing anything.
I really don't understand how you can think this.

I'm very happy with the targets getting lynched. Are you not? Should I not be?

Why should I be doing anything else?

You mentioned Tumblewood. In your reads he's the top person in both lists, yet you're not expanding on him at all. Your list is very long but there appears to be no hierarchy in them. You're not working to find out which are the most likely to be scum between them, or if you have, you haven't made that clear at all. Who do you want to lynch the most, and who do you think isn't actually scum? What are you doing to discern the alignments of the people in your list?

Answer: Nothing.
On August 21 2016 06:04 Koshi wrote:
On August 21 2016 05:13 Half the Sky wrote:
This is what the votes look like now with 1h45 left.

Europe:
IAMP (6): disformation, HTS, Koshi, MZ, Artanis, Dandel Ion, disformation, Artanis, HTS, Trfel
Artanis (4): Koshi, disformation, Rels, Kitaman, HTS, FF, sicklucker
GlowingBear (1): Rels
Damdred (0): Artanis

USA:
Skynx (8): Koshi, disformation, Rels, Kitaman, HTS, Fecalfeast, MZ, Dandel Ion, Artanis, sicklucker
Trfel (1): Artanis
GlowingBear (0): disformation, HTS, Artanis
sicklucker (0): Koshi

Let's do iamp first and give artanis another day.

##unvoteeu
##vote iamp

I have done enough today. If you still scumread me you should probably just kill me now and then follow my list.
List order is player filter order.

I think that everyone on those lists is likely anti town. I'm probably wrong on a few, sure, but reasons are there and they are good, and very readily apparent from filters.

Town isn't supposed to direct town power roles.

Where are you going with this?

You're.. not doing anything. That's been the point all along. Now you're asking me "why should I put in effort to find out who is the scummiest person when they're all doing things that make them look scummy?"

Are we playing the same game?


Do you believe their is a faction called mafia? Is nationality above faction?

Uncertain. I do believe that there is a mafia-like faction though, as Palmar confirmed that in the OP.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
August 20 2016 21:32 GMT
#2726
On August 21 2016 06:30 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2016 06:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On August 21 2016 06:26 Trfel wrote:
On August 21 2016 06:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On August 21 2016 06:00 Trfel wrote:
On August 21 2016 05:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On August 21 2016 05:25 Trfel wrote:
On August 21 2016 05:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On August 21 2016 05:17 Trfel wrote:
Artanis, why do you think I am mafia?

You're a lot more useful when you're town. You've barely been around and your first scumread on me was thinking I was disformation. Since then, it feels like you've just decided to call me scum anyway. I don't see any real evolution in your reads and no conviction behind anything you're doing.

A small side thing was the usage of XD in the QT's which is something I think you're likely to use.
Here's the thing I don't understand. You are a lot more useful when you are town than in this game. And you've already presented reasons that (I assume) you consider valid to explain this. Why is this a valid reason?

There is really no motivation for me to play the game when I have no ability to do anything. I've been sharing suspicious people who should be dealt with, but I can't do anything about it myself, and I don't even know who has KP or alignment checks.

I need to eat lunch, be back in a bit.

I have been very useful since I've been suspected. This has happened in plenty of other games in which I am town; I'm commonly considered for the Day 1 or Day 2 lynch, then this cycle where I get upset/annoyed and spout out a bunch of content happens and I'm mostly treated as confirmed town for the rest of the game. You've been suspected the entire game, and haven't done anything despite that. There's a lynch up and you're still not doing anything.
I really don't understand how you can think this.

I'm very happy with the targets getting lynched. Are you not? Should I not be?

Why should I be doing anything else?

You mentioned Tumblewood. In your reads he's the top person in both lists, yet you're not expanding on him at all. Your list is very long but there appears to be no hierarchy in them. You're not working to find out which are the most likely to be scum between them, or if you have, you haven't made that clear at all. Who do you want to lynch the most, and who do you think isn't actually scum? What are you doing to discern the alignments of the people in your list?

Answer: Nothing.
On August 21 2016 06:04 Koshi wrote:
On August 21 2016 05:13 Half the Sky wrote:
This is what the votes look like now with 1h45 left.

Europe:
IAMP (6): disformation, HTS, Koshi, MZ, Artanis, Dandel Ion, disformation, Artanis, HTS, Trfel
Artanis (4): Koshi, disformation, Rels, Kitaman, HTS, FF, sicklucker
GlowingBear (1): Rels
Damdred (0): Artanis

USA:
Skynx (8): Koshi, disformation, Rels, Kitaman, HTS, Fecalfeast, MZ, Dandel Ion, Artanis, sicklucker
Trfel (1): Artanis
GlowingBear (0): disformation, HTS, Artanis
sicklucker (0): Koshi

Let's do iamp first and give artanis another day.

##unvoteeu
##vote iamp

I have done enough today. If you still scumread me you should probably just kill me now and then follow my list.
List order is player filter order.

I think that everyone on those lists is likely anti town. I'm probably wrong on a few, sure, but reasons are there and they are good, and very readily apparent from filters.

Town isn't supposed to direct town power roles.

Where are you going with this?

You're.. not doing anything. That's been the point all along. Now you're asking me "why should I put in effort to find out who is the scummiest person when they're all doing things that make them look scummy?"

Are we playing the same game?


Do you believe their is a faction called mafia? Is nationality above faction?
Artanis, if you don't think it's a problem that people like this haven't been shot yet, then I guess we aren't playing the same game.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
August 20 2016 21:33 GMT
#2727
I see no reason to try when there are so many suspicious people and none of them are dying and no one cares.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
August 20 2016 21:33 GMT
#2728
Day 2 Votecount EU

Iamperfection (11): Disformation, Half The Sky , Koshi, Meapak_Ziphh, Artanis , Dandel Ion, Disformation, Artanis, Half The Sky, Trfel, Sicklucker, Koshi, Damdred, Prplhz, Kitaman
Artanis(0): Koshi , Disformation , Rels , Kitaman , Half the Sky , FecalFeast , Sicklucker
Damdred (0): Artanis,
Glowing Bear (2): Rels, FecalFeast



Day 2 Votecount USA

Glowingbear (1): Disformation, Half The Sky , Artanis, Damdred
Sicklucker(0): Koshi
Skynx (11): Koshi, Disformation, Rels, Kitaman, Half The Sky, FecalFeast, Meapak_Ziphh, Dandel Ion, Artanis , Sicklucker, Trfel, Prplhz
Trfel (1): Artanis
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
August 20 2016 21:36 GMT
#2729
why are we lynching Skynx? doesn't anyone remember that one post that had him town for tone?
good times for all
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
August 20 2016 21:38 GMT
#2730
On August 21 2016 06:36 Tumblewood wrote:
why are we lynching Skynx? doesn't anyone remember that one post that had him town for tone?


QT snippets outed him as mafia. You probably missed it.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7468 Posts
August 20 2016 21:39 GMT
#2731
Can someone go back in thread and examine the Chezinu rule... cause...

+ Show Spoiler +
lazy, inactive, winner?
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7468 Posts
August 20 2016 21:41 GMT
#2732
On August 21 2016 06:38 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2016 06:36 Tumblewood wrote:
why are we lynching Skynx? doesn't anyone remember that one post that had him town for tone?


QT snippets outed him as mafia. You probably missed it.

So, what is this qt that GB uses that everybodies be talking about and lynching about and doesn't use fake names or anything....ah... the memories... someone as inactive as me totally couldn't have been using the fakes to be like somebodies elses cause they would have called it out.. unless they didn't see the qt.. yeah.. that would be the odd..

k, let's see the values of the qt!
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
August 20 2016 21:42 GMT
#2733
On August 21 2016 06:38 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2016 06:36 Tumblewood wrote:
why are we lynching Skynx? doesn't anyone remember that one post that had him town for tone?


QT snippets outed him as mafia. You probably missed it.

ty
I thought it was weird that GB had just one vote
good times for all
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
August 20 2016 21:42 GMT
#2734
On August 21 2016 06:28 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2016 06:24 kitaman27 wrote:
On August 21 2016 06:21 Chezinu wrote:
On August 21 2016 04:24 Koshi wrote:
On August 21 2016 04:02 Lunaticman wrote:
Sorry been away playing board games:

I can make a choice:


1: Five year plan:
Boosts the economy of the soviet union, increasing the wealth of all it's inhabitants

2: Prepare for an invasion:
Modernize the Soviet Army. This will allow the USSR to invade another region in later phases

3: KGB
Poison any player in the game with radioactive materials. That player will then die at the end of day 3.

4. Nuclear time
Launch a nuclear missile at any player.

We could use 3 if we have a cure to pressure somebody. IN THEORY I would be able to remove the poison during D3. However, this is not confirmed but it would somehow be possible due to a spell I have.


Can you cure me? I've been living in the USSR with tons of explosions everywhere... WHAT IF I R INFECTED!!!!!

OH WAIT! The zombies can't touch me!!! I are radioactives!! which is totes anti-zombie. Well, zombie are leaving now... so cures would be the cools!!!


What do you know about Ilya Ivanov?


oh geez... uh... he was in Africa for a while doing some nasty stuff with some monkeys.. after failing, we tried impregnating women with some monkey stuff... but the people didn't want him to do it in the hospital... there was no consent. The people killed him.. Did this stuff really happen? I doubt he kept any records of his crimes.

christ this ilya ivanov really existed he's like an actual villain out of a james bond movie or something
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
August 20 2016 21:42 GMT
#2735
also why iamp? and is there a way to lynch chezinu? he seems not to have changed.
good times for all
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7468 Posts
August 20 2016 21:43 GMT
#2736
On August 21 2016 06:42 prplhz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2016 06:28 Chezinu wrote:
On August 21 2016 06:24 kitaman27 wrote:
On August 21 2016 06:21 Chezinu wrote:
On August 21 2016 04:24 Koshi wrote:
On August 21 2016 04:02 Lunaticman wrote:
Sorry been away playing board games:

I can make a choice:


1: Five year plan:
Boosts the economy of the soviet union, increasing the wealth of all it's inhabitants

2: Prepare for an invasion:
Modernize the Soviet Army. This will allow the USSR to invade another region in later phases

3: KGB
Poison any player in the game with radioactive materials. That player will then die at the end of day 3.

4. Nuclear time
Launch a nuclear missile at any player.

We could use 3 if we have a cure to pressure somebody. IN THEORY I would be able to remove the poison during D3. However, this is not confirmed but it would somehow be possible due to a spell I have.


Can you cure me? I've been living in the USSR with tons of explosions everywhere... WHAT IF I R INFECTED!!!!!

OH WAIT! The zombies can't touch me!!! I are radioactives!! which is totes anti-zombie. Well, zombie are leaving now... so cures would be the cools!!!


What do you know about Ilya Ivanov?


oh geez... uh... he was in Africa for a while doing some nasty stuff with some monkeys.. after failing, we tried impregnating women with some monkey stuff... but the people didn't want him to do it in the hospital... there was no consent. The people killed him.. Did this stuff really happen? I doubt he kept any records of his crimes.

christ this ilya ivanov really existed he's like an actual villain out of a james bond movie or something


The Man the Pro-Evo crowd doesn't want you to know about!
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Lunaticman
Profile Joined November 2007
Sweden1097 Posts
August 20 2016 21:45 GMT
#2737
Urgent I can kill someone, who shall I pick up for majority target. will selectcin 10 min
Failure is not an option
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
August 20 2016 21:47 GMT
#2738
I have selected GB as my target this day.

I would suggest one of Shape, Trfel, Prp
Lunaticman
Profile Joined November 2007
Sweden1097 Posts
August 20 2016 21:47 GMT
#2739
It seems like artanis or Gb are favored. Will choose either of them unless otherwise directd.
Failure is not an option
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
August 20 2016 21:48 GMT
#2740
On August 21 2016 06:47 Damdred wrote:
I have selected GB as my target this day.

I would suggest one of Shape, Trfel, Prp

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