Newbie Student Mafia XXII

On July 26 2016 08:29 Shapelog wrote:

Me too, But I keep getting tricked by people *looks at Kitalord* to host these.

But so is the life of a peasant.

I won't

Simple 2of4, Set up randomized. Going to edit it in tonight.

Sorry Sir/Miss. I didn't know rofl. Your account had 15 posts, so I thought you just signed up.

Anyways,

Changing you from Newbie to Vet then. I also sent a PM asking you some General stuff as well. If you feel/want a coach, let me know and I change you back.

On July 31 2016 10:08 Grackaroni wrote:
J Roc, You're super obviously blue now due to your super trustworthy claims. Let us lynch Chelsea. He promised a wien rune and I'm drunk by myself. Pretty suspicious if you asj me,... VOTE FOR JUSTICE.

On July 31 2016 12:27 Stutters695 wrote:
Cool, this started. I haven't played in a hot minute. Tomorrow is my birthday, so don't expect a lot out of me outside of drunken ramblings. Still gonna catch scum tho.

On July 31 2016 16:48 mderg wrote:
Easy game, J Roc, Grackaroni and Race Bannon are the dirty scummers.
Next game pls.

On July 31 2016 17:12 KelsierSC wrote:
This game is fucking stupid. I'll see you all this evening when hopefully something reasonable has been posted.

On July 31 2016 18:18 Lunaticman wrote:
I'm just going to assume Bannon is town because of the excessive posting. He is doing the exact same thing I did last game only as a incomprehensible mess.

On July 31 2016 19:39 silentwarrior wrote:
Hi guys, this is my second game on TL. I play mostly irl mafia, but wanted to try this again, first game ended too quick. Ok, so about Race Bannon. He posted a lot in the beginning when not many else did, which is good as it helps town discussion. Granted, most of it was nonsense but he is atleast posting. Don't think he should continue with it later though.

But what I wanted to focus on was KelsierSC



So, his first post he says that this is stupid and is gonna not post anything until the evening when something "reasonable" has been posted. But why not post yourself? Maybe say something reasonable yourself. Going away for hours without posting does not help us.



Then this, where he votes for Race Bannon (which is not what I have a problem with), but then states "See you all in a few days". Again, stating his intention to not post.
I think not wanting to post and waiting for others seems like something scum would do.
##vote Kelsier SC

On July 31 2016 21:10 silentwarrior wrote:
Well, early posting helps makes other post. We are posting because of him now, aren't we? It helps discussion going, but I agree that now that early game is over he should start getting serious. Hopefully he will start writing constructive stuff from here on.

Kelsier on the other hand said outright that he could post but wouldn't because nothing "reasonable had been posted". But he dosen't post anything at all and says he will even wait. To me that seems a lot more suspicous than posting nonsense. Remember, we are here to lynch mafia not people we don't like. That makes my vote much better than Kelsier. Not to mention it puts pressure on him to not just "see us in a few days" but actually post during this time.

Also, I never said that I wouldn't vote for Race given reason(even said I had no problem with Kelsier voting for him). I didn't vote for Kelsier because he didn't post, I voted for him because he could post but said he wouldn't and instead wait to see what others posted. You have to agree that's kind of suspicous, right?

On July 31 2016 22:01 Race Bannon wrote:
it's now 4 o clock where I sit 10 15 20s

On August 01 2016 02:16 beentheredonethat wrote:
Kill Race Bannon before the replacement. Best kill so far. A player that has already stirred so much chaos and made himself unreadable will never be able to fully establish himself as town thus he should be killed asap.

On August 02 2016 06:39 mderg wrote:

You're saying a lot of my reads but there really weren't that many.

On August 02 2016 08:09 Grackaroni wrote:
Jroc vote was super random. Clearly he wasn't trying to save mderg though.

On August 02 2016 08:15 Grackaroni wrote:

Why is your TL post count broken? I need to know.

On August 02 2016 08:28 Stutters695 wrote:
JRoc, since you're here, what do you make of those last few hours before the lynch?

On August 02 2016 08:44 Grackaroni wrote:
Well, I'm just going to take tomorrow off. I'm sick of looking at this game. Night kill will in all likelihood be between Celestial and Rels, possibly stutters. Doctor should choose between one of them. See ya next phase.

On August 02 2016 09:57 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I also actually don't mind this D1 lynch at all. Good work Rels. And if I may ask old buddy, what's your read on me?

On August 02 2016 10:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Would you lynch me and Rels?

On August 02 2016 10:03 -Celestial- wrote:



More or less his entire contribution to the game so far has been to focus mderg, a now flipped town, like a laser and get him lynched. So yes, I'd be an idiot not to be incredibly suspicious of him. Though how much of it is just because I'm still pissed off about the vote is questionable.

I'll have a better idea tomorrow. I'm going to re-read his filter then. If I was to take a more measured approach I might say that Rels' focus on mderg left him absolutely zero wriggle room when mderg flipped town. Which is an incredibly risky position to put yourself in as a mafia. Not to mention the thread didn't really need driving in that way if he was mafia because it was all still very up in the air. But then again he did leave himself a bit of an out when he said he might just be super tunneled.

On the balance of it he looks awful post-flip. But WIFOM strikes again.

I'm hoping to be able to put together a full post of my thoughts by tomorrow anyway. Honestly concerned I could well be dead by Day 2. And right now I've had a bit too much wine to be properly coherent for something like that.

On August 02 2016 10:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:

scott is scum for his reasoning behind his posts? Or is there anything else?

On August 02 2016 10:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:

A lot of my reads align with scott.


A lot of Rels' reads align with scott.

I also fucked off end of D1 and let the train happen. :D Thus a Moosy/Rels/scott scum team must be in your peripheral right?

On August 02 2016 10:21 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Also scott is very much correct. There was 100% a mafia or two on Race Bannon at one point or another. The opportunity was too easy to pass up especially since RB was really really low hanging fruit. He was so low, he was basically on the ground. And this is coming from me who uses that playstyle normally.

On August 02 2016 10:21 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Also scott is very much correct. There was 100% a mafia or two on Race Bannon at one point or another. The opportunity was too easy to pass up especially since RB was really really low hanging fruit. He was so low, he was basically on the ground. And this is coming from me who uses that playstyle normally.

On August 02 2016 10:36 -Celestial- wrote:



To be fair I don't think Moosy is necessarily implying Race was/scott is town. Race was low hanging fruit whichever alignment you were. If I was on his scum team and he was screwing about like that I'd be on that plynch train faster than you can say 'bus' because it was clear he wasn't going to be any help whichever alignment he was, and the free town points for a mafia kill would have been too much of a temptation to ignore.

On August 02 2016 10:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Congrats! Now who was on both wagons.

On August 02 2016 11:29 Grackaroni wrote:
I'M NOT TAKING THE FALL FOR THIS Ssssssson. I'm probs getting lynched, so I'm just going to take my this opportunity to unleash my inner slam.

On August 02 2016 21:29 Lunaticman wrote:



Well that makes sense but he hasn't played before right?

On August 02 2016 22:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:

This is the weird part of the low hanging fruits. There should have been a Mafia on Race Bannon because he was too easy a chance to kill especially when we look at the list of people voting for him:
KSC
mderg
Stutters
btdt
J Roc

KSC is null-town for me right now, mderg flipped town, and Stutters is fairly town. That leaves us with btdt and J Roc and btdt is the more likely. Especially considering he had such shit reason to vote Race Bannon in the first place because he tried to make up a reason to show RB as scummy when the spammy stuff RB was doing was completely NAI. If you look at the final votecount, you see that Grack/silent were on every possible wagon except for the btdt one as well. I'm pretty sure the team is btdt/Grack/silent.

On August 02 2016 21:54 Lunaticman wrote:


Maybe that is going down the wrong rabbit hole but do you mind checking? otherwise I might reread day 1 with bannon/scott.

On August 02 2016 22:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Also, what are your thoughts J Roc? Can you give a short summary of where you stand on people right now?

On August 02 2016 22:24 Lunaticman wrote:


I want you to tell me why we shouldn't just lynch Rels though. There has to be a mafia between Rels/Grac? They actually did a misslynch, The Bannon train so far to my knowledge is just speculation right?

On August 02 2016 22:13 Rels wrote:

I like this list.

On August 03 2016 20:00 Skynx wrote:

I've been thinking about it and I think this is a really scummy reaction. If you're actually vigi, claiming before next EoN would make your claim undeniable, not right now.
What is pushing the "right" part in your opinion here? Grack flipped green so it clears Silent? You are confirmed town so only lynch now is Scott?

On August 03 2016 20:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Hey Rels, do u have a delicious role breadcrumb or nah

On August 03 2016 21:18 Rels wrote:

no

On August 05 2016 05:24 Skynx wrote:
Lemme ask this tho:
If Luna flips red what happens? If Luna flips green what happens?

On August 06 2016 00:36 -Celestial- wrote:
Oh I see J Roc posted as I was filtering. Hey. Any chance of a full read set at some point?

On August 08 2016 00:36 Lunaticman wrote:


Hahahaha, That is one loooong cup.

On August 08 2016 17:55 beentheredonethat wrote:
J Roc

His day 1 posting pattern is really weird. Lot's of fluff ("I am blue"), early, unreasoned vote on Stutters ("Happy Birthday")...



But he drops that style at the point where silentwarrior comes up with his Kelsier read.

I think anyone would agree with Silentwarrior there but what I find highly interesting is that J Roc completely disagrees with what Silent said about Kelsier. Why? I think silent's point there are really good. The thing is however that kelsier flipped town so there's no way that his is mafia soft defending an inactive teammate. But what I can see there is that J Roc is defending a vote on RB. RB would've been an easy mislynch for scum had he continued his spam.

Next thing that is weird is the vote on scott:


He says that RB's actions were null. He points out my post about RB, scumreading me for that post. Scott does the same, which implies that scott agrees with Roc at this point. But he completely disregards that. Instead he votes scott (who still has a weak position at this point because he comes off of the RB replacement and IMHO could've been an easy mislynch if mafia dared to push him) because he thinks that an observation from OUTSIDE THE GAME is alignment indicative? That does not make any sense to me, at all, and feels like scum seemingly having found a pain point that can be pushed. I am absolutely not liking that post.
Talking about a scott mislynch, it looks like that's how J Roc perceived it indeed:

I completely disagree with the scum read of Scott. Completely. The reasoning behind this read is simply bad and highly constructed. Yet he still stresses it, without any follow up, without bringing scott back to the thread's attention.

Instead, mderg defense:

At this point, many people want to lynch mderg. This can easily be scum, trying to gain town cred for voting outside the wagon.

"Look, I knew it."

His following reads during the night phase say Rels and Scott are scum, while he does not react to Moosy although being explicitely asked about Moosy - by Moosy. Also he engages in discussion with Moosy and starts agreeing on Moosy's vote analysis bullshit. While they had opposite opinions before, J Roc abandons his scott push at this point and follows Moosy. Why? But yeah, after that short excursion he goes back to scott.

Then he leaves completely:

That never happened.

Given that J Roc went for scott since D1 and never really stopped, I think he's pushing an agenda. It actually makes sense, scum needed only one more mislynch to win before moosy was modkilled. And pushing a player with two pages of filter that is being scumread already by others (-> Celestial, who has a high level of town cred) feels like the easy thing to do. In D1, it's safe to vote outside the town wagon. D2, the push can be kept up, and once D3 has started, things look good: thread put me under suspicion (first potential mislynch), and if that fails, there's always scott (second potential mislynch). We're lucky that Moosy was modkilled tbh.

I think J Roc is scum and we should vote him. If J Roc flips town which I find highly unlikely, I'd go for Scott. Or at least that's what I would do now. We're in a very good situation but we really need to carefully look into what we do next.

On August 08 2016 17:56 Skynx wrote:
Other voters have to explain themselves. Mafia didn't even bus lol this is such a wtf game. Silent and celest earned eternal towncred. I'm not scum.
Btdt needs a bit of a re-read but he's putting effort right now.
Comes down to Onegu vs Scott. Onegu has been tunneling Scott since min1 so I doubt he's the last one here.
Scott should be the vote for now. Time to re-read if he's town which would be unfortunate.

On August 10 2016 02:48 silentwarrior wrote:
But I am quite puzzled by last nights kill. There was a decent chance that skynx would be lynched, and there are a lot better options for night kill. I see 3 reasons for killing skyns.
1. The most obvious town players had townread the mafia
2. Skynx had scumread mafia and he wanted rid of him
3. He was trying to cast shade on the ones that skynx had scumread.

I don't think 2 is likely, it would be too suspicous tbh.
Can say as of right now, I consider only btdt as the only town apart from me. Rest I am unsure about.

On August 10 2016 04:04 silentwarrior wrote:


People do check dead peoples reads, that even happened in this game.

1 would matter a lot. For example I am seen as pretty town since, but can easily be wrong about the last mafia which is why I wasn't killed last night. I might have townread last mafia, in which case me living helps him more than dying.

You just used wifom about nk against scott, but say it dosen't matter? All I was trying to do by that post was show that nk could be done for multiple reasons. It was posted in response to you saying nk is a point against scott, which I think it's not.

On August 10 2016 05:56 Onegu wrote:



If you are town why dont you put the work in and help us figure out who is scum instead of asking these pointless questions.

On August 10 2016 06:07 scott31337 wrote:
I want a serious answer you and Celestial won't try to squirm out of after I'm dead. (You will, but I want it on paper)

Now i know you're Onegu I'm even more confident it's one of you two. Don't do jack all game until the fun occurs.

I can't outspam Celestial so why even try?

On August 10 2016 06:18 beentheredonethat wrote:
Im im the hospital. Daughter had accident. I concede the game im last scum.