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silentwarrior
Profile Joined July 2015
131 Posts
August 07 2016 23:28 GMT
#1083
MoosyDoosy has the most fluffy filter ever though, so it takes a while to go through all that nonsense.
silentwarrior
Profile Joined July 2015
131 Posts
August 07 2016 23:29 GMT
#1084
Ok, I am more likely than not this night's kill, so I will leave a will but gonna go to bed now. People need to fucking post and vote though.
silentwarrior
Profile Joined July 2015
131 Posts
August 07 2016 23:37 GMT
#1087
Best thing to do is to look at everything Moosy and Lunatic did know that we know they are mafia. I'm also pretty sure both btdt and scott are town.
silentwarrior
Profile Joined July 2015
131 Posts
August 08 2016 00:50 GMT
#1096
Don't just look at mafia votes, look at who voted for them. Btdt voted for lunatic pretty early, which imo should have very strong townlean. Scott got voted on by lunaticman, which should clear him as well.
silentwarrior
Profile Joined July 2015
131 Posts
August 08 2016 12:33 GMT
#1106
Ok, just did a quick dive of skynx filter and I have to say I agree with a lot of what btdt says. His D2 voting was weird, first he says he won't lynch lunatic, then votes for him anyway and just leaves. I also really didn't like how he was so deadset to lynch everyone that voted for mderg because of mislynch. Seems really a bad way to find any mafia. His general gameplay is just really iffy for me, like he tries to force lynches where there are none. I also looked through of what MoosyDoosy and Lunatic said of him. They were suspicously quiet about him and never seemed to think he was mafia or anything of the like. Also, Skynx put both of those mafia in either null or town when he did his reads. At this point, I'm more inclined to lynch skynx D4 than celestial/j roc. Btdt and scott are town for me.
silentwarrior
Profile Joined July 2015
131 Posts
August 08 2016 20:23 GMT
#1117
On August 09 2016 03:43 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2016 21:33 silentwarrior wrote:
Ok, just did a quick dive of skynx filter and I have to say I agree with a lot of what btdt says. His D2 voting was weird, first he says he won't lynch lunatic, then votes for him anyway and just leaves. I also really didn't like how he was so deadset to lynch everyone that voted for mderg because of mislynch. Seems really a bad way to find any mafia. His general gameplay is just really iffy for me, like he tries to force lynches where there are none. I also looked through of what MoosyDoosy and Lunatic said of him. They were suspicously quiet about him and never seemed to think he was mafia or anything of the like. Also, Skynx put both of those mafia in either null or town when he did his reads. At this point, I'm more inclined to lynch skynx D4 than celestial/j roc. Btdt and scott are town for me.

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I also really didn't like how he was so deadset to lynch everyone that voted for mderg because of mislynch.

because town don't just lynch themselves out of nothingness usually. There is someone pushing for it, always. No mafia on mderg train is impossible, vitrually impossible. Focusing on those targets is the right thing to do. Me focusing you while rels was vigi with no cc was bad but I'm trying to improve on that front. I'm historicly not good at reacting to claims, its evident at all my games.

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His D2 voting was weird, first he says he won't lynch lunatic, then votes for him anyway and just leaves.

Please read my point in post above on how mafia Skynx never votes for Lunatic in that case.

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His general gameplay is just really iffy for me, like he tries to force lynches where there are none.

Putting yourself on the line is typical scum behaviour right? huehuehue

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also looked through of what MoosyDoosy and Lunatic said of him. They were suspicously quiet about him and never seemed to think he was mafia or anything of the like.

Moosy only pushed Grack all game. Lunatic pushed no one. I didn't even check their filter but I'm sure I can find 5 people they were suspiciously quiet about him and never seem think they are mafia.

Moosy was always town. If he didn't got modkilled we would never ever find him and this would be gg. He made sense with his points and analysis. Me townreading him makes me scum is like... I don't even know how to describe it.
It's just bad.


No one knows who town is. Mislycnhes can happen, easily. Yes, there might be mafia among them, but look at who voted for mderg D1. Me, scott, rels and grack. 2 have been proven town, im really townie and scott pretty town as well. You wanted them all lynched, when all have been proven to be town or townread by most.

Moose might have been town for you, but not for me. I tagged him as early as N1 and wanted him for D4 lynch after lunatic. Maybe you can't find scum, but others can. Also, don't attack btdt for his nationality, that's a really low blow.
silentwarrior
Profile Joined July 2015
131 Posts
August 08 2016 20:29 GMT
#1118
On August 09 2016 05:23 silentwarrior wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2016 03:43 Skynx wrote:
On August 08 2016 21:33 silentwarrior wrote:
Ok, just did a quick dive of skynx filter and I have to say I agree with a lot of what btdt says. His D2 voting was weird, first he says he won't lynch lunatic, then votes for him anyway and just leaves. I also really didn't like how he was so deadset to lynch everyone that voted for mderg because of mislynch. Seems really a bad way to find any mafia. His general gameplay is just really iffy for me, like he tries to force lynches where there are none. I also looked through of what MoosyDoosy and Lunatic said of him. They were suspicously quiet about him and never seemed to think he was mafia or anything of the like. Also, Skynx put both of those mafia in either null or town when he did his reads. At this point, I'm more inclined to lynch skynx D4 than celestial/j roc. Btdt and scott are town for me.

I also really didn't like how he was so deadset to lynch everyone that voted for mderg because of mislynch.

because town don't just lynch themselves out of nothingness usually. There is someone pushing for it, always. No mafia on mderg train is impossible, vitrually impossible. Focusing on those targets is the right thing to do. Me focusing you while rels was vigi with no cc was bad but I'm trying to improve on that front. I'm historicly not good at reacting to claims, its evident at all my games.

His D2 voting was weird, first he says he won't lynch lunatic, then votes for him anyway and just leaves.

Please read my point in post above on how mafia Skynx never votes for Lunatic in that case.

His general gameplay is just really iffy for me, like he tries to force lynches where there are none.

Putting yourself on the line is typical scum behaviour right? huehuehue

also looked through of what MoosyDoosy and Lunatic said of him. They were suspicously quiet about him and never seemed to think he was mafia or anything of the like.

Moosy only pushed Grack all game. Lunatic pushed no one. I didn't even check their filter but I'm sure I can find 5 people they were suspiciously quiet about him and never seem think they are mafia.

Moosy was always town. If he didn't got modkilled we would never ever find him and this would be gg. He made sense with his points and analysis. Me townreading him makes me scum is like... I don't even know how to describe it.
It's just bad.


No one knows who town is. Mislycnhes can happen, easily. Yes, there might be mafia among them, but look at who voted for mderg D1. Me, scott, rels and grack. 2 have been proven town, im really townie and scott pretty town as well. You wanted them all lynched, when all have been proven to be town or townread by most.

Moose might have been town for you, but not for me. I tagged him as early as N1 and wanted him for D4 lynch after lunatic. Maybe you can't find scum, but others can. Also, don't attack btdt for his nationality, that's a really low blow.

EBWOP:

Also, about the whole vote on lunatic. You gained no towncred for it, but you tried to. Why else would you switch your vote when we already had like 5 votes on him already? Just because something didn't go as intended dosen't mean the intention wasn't there.
silentwarrior
Profile Joined July 2015
131 Posts
August 09 2016 17:40 GMT
#1152
On August 09 2016 10:36 -Celestial- wrote:
Direct question here:

BTDT and silent....in light of all of the above garbage, my dissections of scott's filter and the outright lies he's just been peddling...is scott still hard town for you?

Because if he is I'm done with this game. This is goddamn stupid.


The biggest reason he was town for me was his intro and the fact that Lunatic voted for him. But didn't notice before that lunatic already had 6 votes on him at that point. He has at the very least gone down far from being hard town. May want to investigate more on him.
silentwarrior
Profile Joined July 2015
131 Posts
August 09 2016 17:48 GMT
#1153
But I am quite puzzled by last nights kill. There was a decent chance that skynx would be lynched, and there are a lot better options for night kill. I see 3 reasons for killing skyns.
1. The most obvious town players had townread the mafia
2. Skynx had scumread mafia and he wanted rid of him
3. He was trying to cast shade on the ones that skynx had scumread.

I don't think 2 is likely, it would be too suspicous tbh.
Can say as of right now, I consider only btdt as the only town apart from me. Rest I am unsure about.
silentwarrior
Profile Joined July 2015
131 Posts
August 09 2016 19:04 GMT
#1155
On August 10 2016 03:30 J Roc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2016 02:48 silentwarrior wrote:
But I am quite puzzled by last nights kill. There was a decent chance that skynx would be lynched, and there are a lot better options for night kill. I see 3 reasons for killing skyns.
1. The most obvious town players had townread the mafia
2. Skynx had scumread mafia and he wanted rid of him
3. He was trying to cast shade on the ones that skynx had scumread.

I don't think 2 is likely, it would be too suspicous tbh.
Can say as of right now, I consider only btdt as the only town apart from me. Rest I am unsure about.



Number 2 is most likely. First off most people dont read dead peoples filters.

1 why would that matter? If the most town people were read scum correctly scum would kill them because they appeared town. Most people dont look at who someone was scum reading.

3 again who cares most people dont check who people were scum reading when they die. First rule for newbie mafia, kill the people who are correct and will be pushsing you.

People shouldnt try to read wifom into the nk.

The fact skynx was killed doesnt change the fact that scott is scummy anyway. Skynx scum reading scott is also a point against scott but not a big one. It def isnt a point for scott to be town read.


People do check dead peoples reads, that even happened in this game.

1 would matter a lot. For example I am seen as pretty town since, but can easily be wrong about the last mafia which is why I wasn't killed last night. I might have townread last mafia, in which case me living helps him more than dying.

You just used wifom about nk against scott, but say it dosen't matter? All I was trying to do by that post was show that nk could be done for multiple reasons. It was posted in response to you saying nk is a point against scott, which I think it's not.
silentwarrior
Profile Joined July 2015
131 Posts
August 09 2016 21:20 GMT
#1167
On August 10 2016 06:18 beentheredonethat wrote:
Im im the hospital. Daughter had accident. I concede the game im last scum.

Hope your daughters okay.

On another note, well played as mafia. You had basically everyone reading you as town and would probably have won the game.
silentwarrior
Profile Joined July 2015
131 Posts
August 09 2016 22:07 GMT
#1194
obs and scum qt?
silentwarrior
Profile Joined July 2015
131 Posts
August 09 2016 22:35 GMT
#1200
On August 10 2016 07:08 -Celestial- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2016 06:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
A useful tip is that when someone is right all the time when everyone else is wrong all the time, the guy that's right all the time is probably mafia.


Yup; one thing I picked up from live games in years gone by was basically along the lines of "wrong does not necessarily equal mafia". I tended to find people would always get hung up on people making wrong reads, especially in face-to-face sessions. Rather than thinking about why they were making that read and whether it was for garbage reasons.

I was going to post that earlier in big letters but kinda felt that if I posted something so blatant people would think I was trying to wriggle out of being accused in a crappy way.

Then again I wish that someone, ANYONE, who had tried to pick me for scum had actually tried to pick a hole in my arguments anywhere rather than just going "yep, scum". There was a reason I tried to provide a basis for all my reads for people to evaluate.


This is suprising to read since the biggest reason I didn't like you in the game was because you went after people you disagreed with or who had done a mislynch or the like. I even said so in-game several times.
silentwarrior
Profile Joined July 2015
131 Posts
August 10 2016 12:00 GMT
#1216
On August 10 2016 19:05 Lunaticman wrote:
I just want to say that I got kinda pissed that Moosy went afk and got modkilled. I think BT played beautiful and would have won unless he had to go to the hospital.

Had Moosy not got modkilled it is very possible mafia would have won day 4. So tbh this was a moral victory for mafia but gg.


Btdt would probably have won, but Moosy would probably have been lynched D4 anyway. He was my biggest scumread by a big margin at that point. Also, find it funny you wanted me modkilled in obv when I did nothing wrong.
silentwarrior
Profile Joined July 2015
131 Posts
August 10 2016 18:45 GMT
#1230
Also want to thank glowingbear for his coaching. He actually helped me making sense in my reads.
silentwarrior
Profile Joined July 2015
131 Posts
August 10 2016 19:51 GMT
#1231
On August 10 2016 22:02 Lunaticman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2016 21:00 silentwarrior wrote:
On August 10 2016 19:05 Lunaticman wrote:
I just want to say that I got kinda pissed that Moosy went afk and got modkilled. I think BT played beautiful and would have won unless he had to go to the hospital.

Had Moosy not got modkilled it is very possible mafia would have won day 4. So tbh this was a moral victory for mafia but gg.


Btdt would probably have won, but Moosy would probably have been lynched D4 anyway. He was my biggest scumread by a big margin at that point. Also, find it funny you wanted me modkilled in obv when I did nothing wrong.


It's because the town gained information from a mod. It had nothing to do with you per say.


Yeah, but I didn't do anything wrong, mods did. It dosen't make sense to punish me then. Also, Moosy should actually have been modkilled D1, but mods went easy on him. It was his own fault he got modkilled.
silentwarrior
Profile Joined July 2015
131 Posts
August 10 2016 21:21 GMT
#1236
On August 11 2016 05:14 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2016 04:51 silentwarrior wrote:
On August 10 2016 22:02 Lunaticman wrote:
On August 10 2016 21:00 silentwarrior wrote:
On August 10 2016 19:05 Lunaticman wrote:
I just want to say that I got kinda pissed that Moosy went afk and got modkilled. I think BT played beautiful and would have won unless he had to go to the hospital.

Had Moosy not got modkilled it is very possible mafia would have won day 4. So tbh this was a moral victory for mafia but gg.


Btdt would probably have won, but Moosy would probably have been lynched D4 anyway. He was my biggest scumread by a big margin at that point. Also, find it funny you wanted me modkilled in obv when I did nothing wrong.


It's because the town gained information from a mod. It had nothing to do with you per say.


Yeah, but I didn't do anything wrong, mods did. It dosen't make sense to punish me then. Also, Moosy should actually have been modkilled D1, but mods went easy on him. It was his own fault he got modkilled.

What was your incident I must have missed it.
I specifically asked pre-game: it is warning on 1st no-vote, modkill on second. Mods did nothing wrong here.


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/511961-newbie-student-mafia-xxii?page=62#891
Basically I asked a question to mods about KSC, and they answered in a way that makes me sound town.
silentwarrior
Profile Joined July 2015
131 Posts
August 11 2016 18:19 GMT
#1262
Here is my coaching thread with glowingbear if anyone's interested. http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/wwLt4JiF6Hn9
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