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On August 02 2016 06:30 Grackaroni wrote:
I would be down with lynching Mderg.
Welcome aboard!
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On August 02 2016 06:33 J Roc wrote:
I'm not lynching mderg. I agree with a lot of his reads.
Which!
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On August 02 2016 06:35 -Celestial- wrote:
I'm kinda open to being convinced on mderg honestly. I don't like the silent vote as much as I did before his last post (though his silence through this game has been deafening). And if I shift I think that switches the vote off scott, who I really don't want to see lynched D1. And I don't think its likely other trains will get going at this point unless someone picks up on something really blatant.
Can anyone provide a concise, clear, convincing argument to switch right now?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/511961-newbie-student-mafia-xxii?page=23
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On August 02 2016 07:05 silentwarrior wrote:
Rels, what's your take on stutters and my case about him? I read yours on mderg and agree with most of what you wrote, but Stutter's is so blatantly mafia. Also, can others also comment on it?
These posts are townie:
On August 02 2016 06:44 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 01:51 mderg wrote:On August 02 2016 00:29 MoosyDoosy wrote:On August 01 2016 22:56 Skynx wrote:
Also Moosy how is KSC town is that a tone read? Yes. On August 01 2016 22:54 mderg wrote:On August 01 2016 22:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:On August 01 2016 22:05 mderg wrote:On August 01 2016 21:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:On August 01 2016 17:40 mderg wrote:On August 01 2016 12:57 Grackaroni wrote:On August 01 2016 11:36 -Celestial- wrote:
Grackaroni - Has a lengthier filter than most but there's honestly not a lot in it. The stuff pre-Race ban is a bunch of nothing. I don't like all this "Race is probably town" based off the utter garbage Race was serving up. Also I feel like the whole "Mafia plays subdued" thing is honestly pretty leading. I don't think this is necessarily a safe assumption at all, but he seems quite happy to push town down that way of thinking.
I like that he brings up silent's post but I don't like that he doesn't want to post his own thoughts before getting other people's. I also don't like that he disagrees with it but just dismisses it as 'reasoning a new town player would make' whilst simultaneously setting up to call anyone who calls silent scum, scum themselves. Then calling up people who were calling on silent, despite the fact that he's admitted that he disagrees with silent himself...he just doesn't find him particularly scummy for it.
This is a kind of weird mentality...you agree that you don't like the thoughts in silent's post...but they're scummy for feeling that it might make silent scummy?
I got split feelings on the three he calls most towny. So I guess I can't do much with this.
However I have huge issues with this bit:
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No. Mderg wanted to policy lynch Race, because he was screwing up the thread. Mderg hasn't commented AT ALL on scott himself because he's not been in thread since then. This is pretty deceptive stuff from Grack imo. I don't like it when people try to slip things like that under the radar. Scum lean.
The defence on Lunatic is NAI because its exactly what I thought. Asking Kelsier to play is fine and complaining about him complaining is also fine but nothing special. Asks for a lynch target from Kelsier. NAI, anyone would want more info from Kelsier at this stage no matter their alignment or Kelsier's.
I think that mafia tends to play more subdued is a pretty standard idea that most players would accept. I'm not saying Race Bannon could never be mafia but lynching the guy who goes out of his way to spam the thread and pisses everybody off in the process is definitely not a good place to start if you want to hit mafia. Silent made the first serious accusatory post of the game and put himself in the spotlight. I liked the post just because I think that Kelsier's non-contribution would look scummy to a newcomer, but the start of the game is the easiest time to "contribute". All I've gathered so far is that Kelsier seems annoyed from the state of the game and can't be assed to start playing. I don't really read Kelsier either way. Also I can disagree with a post's conclusions and still townread somebody for their post. Case in point, I don't really agree with your reads or any of the reasoning attached to them, but I'm still very thankful for something to comment on and will give a town read for it. It's magic! As for my choice not to post my thoughts before getting other people's. Are you saying that I'm afraid of putting forth my own thoughts before seeing other people's or something else? I don't think that will be too much of an issue. Actually I think the reason I've come up here in the first place is that I've actually put out some of the more distinctive things. My point here for Mderg is that he's pushed three slots that I feel are town slots. What kind of deception do you think I'm trying to slip under the radar here? Anyone can read his filter in 30 seconds and see whether he has posted about Race bannon or Scott. I didn't push lunatic, I was just hoping my post would start some discussion while I'm away. That makes it 2 "town slots" I've pushed. I really can't see what you like about either of them. I actually dislike scott's posts more than I did Race Bannon's (alignment wise). explAin dood Race Bannon simply posted gibberish which is obnoxious and annoying but not really alignment indicative. scott made a list of people who had their vote on Race Bannon and took picked one of those to push. It doesn't take a town hero to call BTDT out on that. Then he gives town points to J Roc for having called out the same post by BTDT. He also liked silentwarrior's post regarding Kelsier which I didn't like for reasons already stated. His thoughts so far seem superficial and lacking any sort of depth. And that's something I see as scummy, more so than one obviously bad post. So do you think btdt's post was shit or good? it was bad So you're scumreading scott because he's scumreading btdt for making a shit post? The scumread itself is not my issue with scott. I'll try to explain it again. btdt's post basically had a big sign with "That's bad for town" attached to it. Scott scumread him for that,nothing wrong with that, though a bit superficial. Then he also townread J Roc for voicing the same concerns about the post with the big sign. Calling out such a post is really not a reason for townreading somebody. He also liked silentwarrior's post about Kelsier. Kelsier carrying a huge sign saying "anti town". That's just way too superficial for me. There's no effort to really figure people out in there, just focusing on single posts with imo very little value. It's like he's following a simple line of seeing a obviouslybad post -> seeing people calling those posts out -> townreading those people. I'd expect a townie to put a bit more thought into it than that. This post makes me much more in favor of a silent lynch over mderg now that I've read his filter
On August 02 2016 06:48 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 06:36 -Celestial- wrote:
EBWOP: I don't like silent as much as I did but I still think he's pretty scummy.
For clarification there, before someone decides to misrepresent me. Out of curiosity, what did you see in his post that makes you less sure? Before he was a plynch essentially, now he's someone I actively want to lynch.
So I'm not sure of anything on Stutters.
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On August 02 2016 20:51 Skynx wrote:
And thats about it I guess.
Rels/Grack/Silent is possible but prolly one of them is town. Alternatively add Scott in there and make it 2/4.
Luna/KSC/btdt are really low hanging fruits, watch out for anyone pushing lynches on them early on based on activity/contribution.
Celest/Stutters/Moosy/Jroc I won't be lynching for a while.
I'm sure 3rd scum will giveaway stuff if we keep the track on them 4 on mderg train.
I like this list.
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On August 02 2016 22:35 J Roc wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 22:13 Rels wrote:On August 02 2016 20:51 Skynx wrote:
And thats about it I guess.
Rels/Grack/Silent is possible but prolly one of them is town. Alternatively add Scott in there and make it 2/4.
Luna/KSC/btdt are really low hanging fruits, watch out for anyone pushing lynches on them early on based on activity/contribution.
Celest/Stutters/Moosy/Jroc I won't be lynching for a while.
I'm sure 3rd scum will giveaway stuff if we keep the track on them 4 on mderg train. I like this list. Actuall thoughts?
Some but I'm working so you will have to wait until tonight
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I have trouble following you. I am allowed to change my reads after leading a mislynch right ? What is suspicious here ?
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On August 03 2016 02:32 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2016 02:24 Rels wrote:
I have trouble following you. I am allowed to change my reads after leading a mislynch right ? What is suspicious here ? What is suspicious to me is that you are portraying people as scummy based on their votes, when none of the votes looked like changes to save a scum buddy, as Celestial/Stutters believe. Regardless of alignment: Scott was going to vote Mderg because that was his top scum read. I was going to sheep you because my reads "sucked." Silent was going to vote to save himself because he was the alternative lynch. I can understand why other people believe that the counterwagon is mafia, because they were already suspicious of the people there in the first place. I can't understand why you would copy this vote count reasoning as town if you are actually analyzing the game.
Where am I portraying anything ? My only post tonight has been "I like this list"
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On August 03 2016 02:35 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2016 02:35 Rels wrote:On August 03 2016 02:32 Grackaroni wrote:On August 03 2016 02:24 Rels wrote:
I have trouble following you. I am allowed to change my reads after leading a mislynch right ? What is suspicious here ? What is suspicious to me is that you are portraying people as scummy based on their votes, when none of the votes looked like changes to save a scum buddy, as Celestial/Stutters believe. Regardless of alignment: Scott was going to vote Mderg because that was his top scum read. I was going to sheep you because my reads "sucked." Silent was going to vote to save himself because he was the alternative lynch. I can understand why other people believe that the counterwagon is mafia, because they were already suspicious of the people there in the first place. I can't understand why you would copy this vote count reasoning as town if you are actually analyzing the game. Where am I portraying anything ? My only post tonight has been "I like this list" Yeah that's the one. You're basing your reads off the vote and it doesn't hold up to scrutiny. J'accuse!
You don't know what I'm basing my reads on.
This reaction is waaaaay too over the top to be townie. I say I like ONE post with ONE list with your name as scum on it, and you've said all of this. But it is based on nothing since I didn't say anything.
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This is what you're doing. And this is scum indicative.
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On August 03 2016 02:49 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2016 02:41 Rels wrote:On August 03 2016 02:35 Grackaroni wrote:On August 03 2016 02:35 Rels wrote:On August 03 2016 02:32 Grackaroni wrote:On August 03 2016 02:24 Rels wrote:
I have trouble following you. I am allowed to change my reads after leading a mislynch right ? What is suspicious here ? What is suspicious to me is that you are portraying people as scummy based on their votes, when none of the votes looked like changes to save a scum buddy, as Celestial/Stutters believe. Regardless of alignment: Scott was going to vote Mderg because that was his top scum read. I was going to sheep you because my reads "sucked." Silent was going to vote to save himself because he was the alternative lynch. I can understand why other people believe that the counterwagon is mafia, because they were already suspicious of the people there in the first place. I can't understand why you would copy this vote count reasoning as town if you are actually analyzing the game. Where am I portraying anything ? My only post tonight has been "I like this list" Yeah that's the one. You're basing your reads off the vote and it doesn't hold up to scrutiny. J'accuse! You don't know what I'm basing my reads on. This reaction is waaaaay too over the top to be townie. I say I like ONE post with ONE list with your name as scum on it, and you've said all of this. But it is based on nothing since I didn't say anything. O M G U S This is what you're doing. And this is scum indicative. But it was not just one list with my name on it. It was a list with everybody who voted Mderg in red. Therefore, Show nested quote +On January 26 2014 23:58 Alakaslam wrote:
Ah, HIJOLE! I am being slandered
I Dinnae say that!
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Yet not sure I want to out those who Dinnae read what I Dinnae say that they say I said but to for to LaL, I don't know!!!
I don't believe you can really believe this to be true.
Skynx makes a list with you on it and other people => you're OK with it.
I say I like the list => you scumread me.
It doesn't make any sense.
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Feel free to re explain as much as you want
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On August 03 2016 02:58 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2016 02:57 Rels wrote:On August 03 2016 02:49 Grackaroni wrote:On August 03 2016 02:41 Rels wrote:On August 03 2016 02:35 Grackaroni wrote:On August 03 2016 02:35 Rels wrote:On August 03 2016 02:32 Grackaroni wrote:On August 03 2016 02:24 Rels wrote:
I have trouble following you. I am allowed to change my reads after leading a mislynch right ? What is suspicious here ? What is suspicious to me is that you are portraying people as scummy based on their votes, when none of the votes looked like changes to save a scum buddy, as Celestial/Stutters believe. Regardless of alignment: Scott was going to vote Mderg because that was his top scum read. I was going to sheep you because my reads "sucked." Silent was going to vote to save himself because he was the alternative lynch. I can understand why other people believe that the counterwagon is mafia, because they were already suspicious of the people there in the first place. I can't understand why you would copy this vote count reasoning as town if you are actually analyzing the game. Where am I portraying anything ? My only post tonight has been "I like this list" Yeah that's the one. You're basing your reads off the vote and it doesn't hold up to scrutiny. J'accuse! You don't know what I'm basing my reads on. This reaction is waaaaay too over the top to be townie. I say I like ONE post with ONE list with your name as scum on it, and you've said all of this. But it is based on nothing since I didn't say anything. O M G U S This is what you're doing. And this is scum indicative. But it was not just one list with my name on it. It was a list with everybody who voted Mderg in red. Therefore, On January 26 2014 23:58 Alakaslam wrote:
Ah, HIJOLE! I am being slandered
I Dinnae say that!
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Yet not sure I want to out those who Dinnae read what I Dinnae say that they say I said but to for to LaL, I don't know!!! I don't believe you can really believe this to be true. Skynx makes a list with you on it and other people => you're OK with it. I say I like the list => you scumread me. It doesn't make any sense. I have higher expectations from you.
Bullshit.
Nowhere in your two posts did this ever pop up as a reason to scumread me and not scumread Skynx.
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This was your reason:
On August 03 2016 01:59 Grackaroni wrote:
If I have not made my post clearly enough here is my issue:
Celestial believed that me/Silent were mafia from the beginning and sees confirmation of it in the end of the day vote.
Stutters believed that I was mafia during the day and sees confirmation of it in the end of the day and comes to the conclusion that Silent and I are mafia.
Both of these make sense.
Rels on the other hand was suspecting KSC/BTDT and was not suspecting me or silent or Scott. None of the votes on the Mderg wagon seem scum motivated. There's no reason for Rels to buy into Celestial/Stutters' theory without already believing that one of us is mafia. As town I would expect Rels to ignore the wagons completely from his prior reads.
Not "Some people are bad so they are allowed to make stupid posts while Rels is not".
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So your argument is: Skynx makes a mafia list of dudes that voted for silent. Rels says it's a good list. Since there is nothing fishy about how the votes went down yesterday, Rels is scum fishing for some easy targets.
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On August 03 2016 03:11 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Hi Rels, who do you think is scum and why. Also your thoughts on what me, Celestial, and Stutters posted.
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On August 03 2016 03:17 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2016 03:12 Rels wrote:
So your argument is: Skynx makes a mafia list of dudes that voted for silent. Rels says it's a good list. Since there is nothing fishy about how the votes went down yesterday, Rels is scum fishing for some easy targets. My argument is that day one you seemed to be reading the game in a similar way that I was. Day 2 you moved with the thread sentiment for what looks like reasons that I don't believe you would actually read as scum indicative. (being on the mderg lynch)
Why ? Who were you scumreading between the mderg lynch and the scumread on me ? Who would you expect me to scumread and for what reasons ?
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Start of night you posted reads that I also share:
On August 02 2016 08:44 Grackaroni wrote:
Well, I'm just going to take tomorrow off. I'm sick of looking at this game. Night kill will in all likelihood be between Celestial and Rels, possibly stutters. Doctor should choose between one of them. See ya next phase.
Then:
On August 02 2016 08:44 Grackaroni wrote:
When I come back my reads will likely be entirely different.
Then no more reads until the posts on me.
What do you disagree with with the Skynx post ?
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You had no scumreads all night apart from the one on me. You had two townreads that we share. So I don'tr understand why this is a reason to scumread me:
"My argument is that day one you seemed to be reading the game in a similar way that I was. Day 2 you moved with the thread sentiment for what looks like reasons that I don't believe you would actually read as scum indicative. (being on the mderg lynch)"
ESPECIALLY since we mislynched, so it's normal reads evolve, and ESPECIALLY since you've said your reads were also going to change entirely.
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On August 03 2016 03:41 Grackaroni wrote:
I will not yield, Rels. Oh no, no, no! A fight through the day there shall be!
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