EPTCan anyone provide a concise, clear, convincing argument to switch right now?
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Can anyone provide a concise, clear, convincing argument to switch right now? | ||
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For clarification there, before someone decides to misrepresent me. | ||
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On August 02 2016 06:36 Rels wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/511961-newbie-student-mafia-xxii?page=23 I already mentioned your first post on that page here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/511961-newbie-student-mafia-xxii?page=23#447 Second post: His scott read is yeah, pretty shallow. But calling it non-evolving is a stretch when the three posts of his you quoted appeared to be him first stating the read. Then elaborating on it. Then apparently trying to clarify what he meant when someone misunderstood what he was getting at. This post I quite like. Point 1 is alright. Though I would note that if mderg is guilty because of that then BTDT is even guiltier for wanting to lynch even though we were getting a replacement; though he did come back and admit it was a terrible post anyway later (though I'm not sure just admitting fault there is necessarily town-motivated; he put himself in a hell of a bind, the only option was to backtrack). Point 2 is good. Point 3 appears to be based off a feeling of hypocrisy unless I'm not getting what you're getting at; that is to say he's calling out scott's posting for being shallow whilst his own reading on scott is pretty shallow. But I'm not sure that necessarily makes mderg scum. | ||
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On August 02 2016 06:48 Stutters695 wrote: Out of curiosity, what did you see in his post that makes you less sure? Before he was a plynch essentially, now he's someone I actively want to lynch. Mostly the stuff on scott and BTDT. I don't necessarily AGREE with him on everything there but the tone felt less scummier than the rest of what he's posted to date. I'm still pretty content to see him lynched though. Feels like a reasonable shot of hitting mafia. | ||
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On August 02 2016 06:54 -Celestial- wrote: I already mentioned your first post on that page here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/511961-newbie-student-mafia-xxii?page=23#447 Second post: His scott read is yeah, pretty shallow. But calling it non-evolving is a stretch when the three posts of his you quoted appeared to be him first stating the read. Then elaborating on it. Then apparently trying to clarify what he meant when someone misunderstood what he was getting at. This post I quite like. Point 1 is alright. Though I would note that if mderg is guilty because of that then BTDT is even guiltier for wanting to lynch even though we were getting a replacement; though he did come back and admit it was a terrible post anyway later (though I'm not sure just admitting fault there is necessarily town-motivated; he put himself in a hell of a bind, the only option was to backtrack). Point 2 is good. Point 3 appears to be based off a feeling of hypocrisy unless I'm not getting what you're getting at; that is to say he's calling out scott's posting for being shallow whilst his own reading on scott is pretty shallow. But I'm not sure that necessarily makes mderg scum. EBWOP *I quite like the feel of | ||
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On August 02 2016 07:04 Stutters695 wrote: Pretty straightforward that it's a plynch. Well its got a little more meat on it than just that given that I didn't like his position on KSC either. But the total lack of anything else to go on is making this very frustrating. :-\ | ||
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On August 02 2016 07:05 silentwarrior wrote: Rels, what's your take on stutters and my case about him? I read yours on mderg and agree with most of what you wrote, but Stutter's is so blatantly mafia. Also, can others also comment on it? If we leave aside the fact I think you're kinda scummy...honestly you have a bit of a point that he's not really said much about you. In a normal game I'd say it was very weird but given the rock-bottom activity level its significantly harder to read. That being said I don't think its out of line where he said about lynching a lurker and then voted you. You weren't in thread for ages at that point. You were lurking. After throwing out a few scummy posts throwing probably-undeserved shade on KSC. It wasn't a great look for you. | ||
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On August 02 2016 07:22 silentwarrior wrote: That's not the thing that sticks out about the vote. It's that he dosen't mention me at all, then without much explanation votes for me, quoted your vote only 4 minutes after you posted it. Didn't say anything at all himself. He didn't need to. Like he said he'd be fine lynching into inactives. Implied to be for policy. I think its a pretty poor reason to get on a wagon at this stage (we do at least have SOMETHING to go on) but still...its a reason. Also, you can't still think it's still undeserved shade at KSC? He was in thread not too long ago and still didn't contribute. I'd say some of that shade is pretty deserved by now. Your posts at the time? Absolutely it was undeserved shade. Now? Hmm...you know what? Let me re-read KSC's filter. Give me five-ten minutes to have a think about this. | ||
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KSC's entire filter amounts to commenting on going for a wine run. Calling the game stupid followed by wanting to get rid of Race (which is totally NAI without a flip, Race was being a pain in the arse) and actively voting for him saying he wasn't putting up with that garbage. Then posting he was back after Race was banned, claiming town. Acting totally flippant towards Lunatic (which I was initially towning him for, because mafia isn't so flippant, but I don't know now because he's done literally nothing since). Then calling the game terrible. Saying Skynx is okay but he doesn't like anyone else. And then saying he's busy in work and probably won't be around for deadline. He didn't even change his vote off scott after the switch. What the hell? Possible shenanie option right here? | ||
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On August 02 2016 07:35 Grackaroni wrote: I'm seeing a lot of squirming within Rels' scum reads between celestial and stutters, so I would beg town to follow through on this mderg lynch. If you think I'm scum, shenanie onto me right now. Because this game is silly as hell. Incidentally, mderg just transferred the kill vote to himself I think. Though an updated count would be great to confirm. | ||
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On August 02 2016 07:40 silentwarrior wrote: Rules say most recent, so he was set from before his change. I think im the one that's set now. Im gonna vote mderg for that reason. ##Unvote ##Vote: Mderg See above. The votes went Scott on 3, then mderg hit 3, then you hit 3 when mderg switched and scott went to 2. Leaving mderg as the one as first in queue to be lynched. Now mderg is on 4. That's the usual rule from when I used to play around here last year anyway. On August 02 2016 07:41 scott31337 wrote: I really think a mderg lynch gives us a lot more information. It's curious you say this. Honestly I agree with you. Stutters' reasoning is highly questionable on that point. I think silent is a better chance of hitting mafia though. | ||
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On August 02 2016 07:45 Stutters695 wrote: Itt we make meaningless associations before the flip. Association reads based on assuming a guy who actively put himself into the vote lead is going to flip mafia. Yeah its kinda funny. Honestly at this point I almost inclined to want people to shenanie onto either myself or KSC. Just to see what would happen. | ||
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On August 02 2016 07:47 Grackaroni wrote: Actually I just noticed that the entire Silent train is those 3 people so ignore that last part. Scum probably wouldn't stack all 3 on one person. If scum team was me, Stutters and mderg I'd probably be going for BTDT right now; not silent. He's a far easier mislynch if only because silent is actually here and BTDT isn't. Plus there's a free Skynx vote on him to be had. | ||
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KSC because of reasons I put on the other page. He's done basically jack all, all game. Even after the switch. Me because this game is getting very silly and frankly people's reaction to my flip would be funny. Though it'd ruin my 3/3 survival record so far. | ||
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On August 02 2016 07:55 Grackaroni wrote: I know. I just don't think that you doing so precludes you from being mafia, as stutters suggested. It doesn't preclude him. But its a pretty strong indicator. Mafia is usually more careful about not actually hammering themselves like mderg just did. | ||
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How about that mderg/Celestial/Stutters scum team guys? They're looking really twitchy and defending him really hard! *facepalm* Okay, Rels just jumped right into the red for me. That was either an utterly absurd case of tunnel-vision or actively leading the thread on a merry dance to mislynch a townie. | ||
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mderg shouldn't have died there. What a damn waste. | ||
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On August 02 2016 08:08 Stutters695 wrote: GG, sorry Mderg. Jroc, wtf Yeah that was weird as hell. | ||
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