Who needs 72 hours anyway! [M][T]

On July 19 2016 01:07 Damdred wrote:
When we are full and it depends on what people want as I'm flexible.

We could do a euro friendly time start
Ie: 4 am eastern start and ends at 4 pm eastern.

A more moderate start:
8 am to 8 pm

Or a more American start

12 pm to 12 am

With the European start I'd have to have a euro cohost probably.

[time]4:00 CEST[/time]

On July 19 2016 03:07 Skynx wrote:
What kind of role is strongarm? Also if there is no informative role for town in 3rd setup isnt having a gf pointless for scum?

On July 19 2016 23:01 Tumblewood wrote:
huh I thought koshi was banned?
guess I've been living under a rock
if we can all be kind to each other this game that would be nice

On July 20 2016 05:03 Tumblewood wrote:

probably narrowed down to anytime after 3 pm pst

On July 20 2016 16:37 Lunaticman wrote:
I am at work so it will be harder for me to do any deep analysis since I am working for 24hour straight. But I will participate to the best of my ability since it is rather quiet at work today. I am looking forward to this a lot!

If someone could link give me some general tips I would appriciate it. Since this is my first time playing on TL. I have only played IRL before.

How does the communication work, can you only talk in this thread unless you are mafia ofc?

On July 20 2016 19:38 Lunaticman wrote:


This post is beyond me, are you saying someone is cheating?

On July 20 2016 19:41 Skynx wrote:

Noooo I can't open this, who's scum?

On July 20 2016 19:44 Lunaticman wrote:



About 20 games, with around 8-16 players per game. We usually only played with the standard roles with some flavour such as Medic and Sheriff. But basically vanila mafia. Each game might have lasted around 8 hours per playthrough.

I would consider myself an very vocal player but also guilable. Many games have been one or lost because of people spending to much time analyzing my actions. As I always say to myself the silent mafia is the worst mafia...

but I digress since this seems very different.

On July 20 2016 19:47 Lunaticman wrote:



I thought quicktopics only was for mafia?

On July 20 2016 19:53 Lunaticman wrote:


I don't think it would be more than subtile differences tbh between me as a townie or mafia, the biggest thing I would say is that as mafia I would probably spend more time analzying the voting tenendcies before speaking. I would also probably try to spend time "mudding the water" raising suspicion on several players at once.

I don't think I want to reveal more than that otherwise I would spoil the fun.

Usually when I am mafia I make a critical misstake sometimes later in the week but they can be missed...

I also have a tenendcy to change play between playthroughs just to not get to predictable.

And you if I may ask? How do you play?

On July 20 2016 20:17 Lunaticman wrote:
I was expecting emperorchampion to be very active in the beginning since I spectated the last game played (the one with hilary and trump). Maybe he changed his playstyle or maybe he simply asleep.

What do you think Rels?

On July 20 2016 20:29 Lunaticman wrote:
Rels since no one else seems to be active right now maybe you could help me explain a bit about the roles.

"Mason and Parity Cop vs Godfather goon and roleblocker

cop and jailkeeper vs Godfather, strongarm and role blocker

Jailkeeper and vigilante vs Godfather, Goon, Strongarm"

I do not recognize the jailkeeper, strong arm and godfather.

On July 21 2016 18:19 prplhz wrote:
Rels?

##Vote Rels

On July 20 2016 22:03 Koshi wrote:
I think Lunaticman has done everything a mafia does early game.

Ask a simple question about the setup:
+ Show Spoiler +

Call somebody blue / bluehunted + is self-aware
+ Show Spoiler +

Do "serious" scumhunting on a matter that was put forward as a joke. Bit too hard-try
+ Show Spoiler +


And lastly it maybe seems like he is trusting people too much and tries to buddy them.

---

That all said I don't scumread you. It's just something I saw . Game is young.

On July 21 2016 01:51 Tumblewood wrote:
I actually read skynx's filter and yeah koshi is right about him. too much meh, not enough content.

On July 21 2016 01:57 Tumblewood wrote:
happy with voting Skynx or ec at the moment, slight preference to ec

On July 21 2016 02:07 DCWasabi wrote:


OK, but if there is one thing that I learned from my first 2 games, it is that it is pretty nontrivial to "work towards solving the game" on Day 1. I think the first thing that is useful that one can do is get some activity out there day 1, and get your tone established so that you can be more easily read as town by the town moving forwards. I think this is one of the things that I actually did properly as town in the Onegu Best Host Game.

Town should be trying to solve the game, but some of the players haven't even posted yet, for example it is 10am local time for me and I just woke-up 30 mins ago and am trying to get caught up.

I don't scumlean either of those guys yet, tbh.

At the same time, I kind of like this post by Tumble because it is the kind of thing that can help to start more meaningful discussion going and discourage people from posting random banter, otherwise they might get scum-read by this reasoning.

I am going to slightly town-lean Tumble because his post leads to a slightly more favorable environment for town.

On July 21 2016 03:09 Tumblewood wrote:

ec do you want a case? I'll give you a case.

why ec is scum

summary:
1. posting to blend in and not to push town forward
2. no clear direction in his posting
(these are different points I promise)

1.

take this post. there's no conceivable purpose behind this because clearly nothing piques his interest (or else it would have focused on one point) but he asks a series of unrelated questions, the answers to which would not be helpful. I see no reason to make this post besides "it's a contribution".

literally a paragraph about inactive players out of nowhere

this is what I'm talking about.

also:

2.

I don't want to quote ec's WoT in post 299, but in 299 ec makes a big ol' case on me and then three minutes later makes a post about coffee. it shows me that he isn't concerning himself with actually pushing his reads in thread but just making a case and carrying on. you get what I mean? I get what I mean.

[br]
in a sentence, ec is speaking without asking to be listened to, which is imo a huge scumtell.

On July 21 2016 03:20 Tumblewood wrote:
and I don't get how ec can be scum three games in a row, then act the exact same way the next game and notbe scumread

On July 21 2016 03:41 Palmar wrote:

no actually just fuck it, if people are going to revert to the stupid spamming style of playing I'm not even gonna bother trying.

http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/dnZQAJvqMFi4

gg

On July 21 2016 03:44 Skynx wrote:
No fking way is that legit?

On July 21 2016 04:15 Palmar wrote:


ok.

100% town - aka never lynching.
Prplhz
Skynx

Likely town:
Tumblewood
emperorchampion
Rels

Null, no reason to lynch but no real reason to townread
Palmar
DCWasabi
Koshi
Gracaroni

null, possibly scum because I haven't really noticed them
nnn_thekushmountains
Lunaticman

Scummy/possibly mafia
sicklucker
Kruppe the eel

On July 21 2016 04:30 Kruppe the Eel wrote:
Such mystery! Friend Kruppe has two sets of —most beautifully written by Kruppe himself— invitations.

Red envelopes! Warm invitations to the most (in?)famous and lustrous (in some way) inn in Darujhistan; the Phoenix Inn!

Blue envelopes! Calming invitations to the mysterious inn in.. Darujhistan(?); the Crossroad Inn!

Where will Kruppe truly be? What table will be filled with the most delicious pastries, the toughest of drinks and hosted by the most magnanimous host of all, Kruppe?


Kruppe cordially extends a red envelope to both Rels and Koshi. A pair of two indeed! Kruppe extends a warm welcome to the Phoenix Inn! (And of course, dear Koshi, a book with friend Kruppe in it is worth reading a thousand times over!)

Kruppe also extends two mysterious blue envelopes! One to Skynx and one to EmperorChampion. An enigma indeed! Kruppe would welcome the both of you to the Crossroad Inn!

On July 21 2016 22:48 Koshi wrote:
↓Weird logic.

On July 22 2016 03:53 Palmar wrote:
yes, I don't remember a single post by him so he should be added to the list of 5.

Like can we all sort of agree on that list?

Skynx
Kush
Krupp
Tumble
Rels

We're lynching in here, right?

On July 21 2016 23:08 Koshi wrote:
I have actually a good reason why Palmar is town:



The (better) townreads in this list were really fast and on point. prplhz, EC and Skynx.

Would be bad play if Palmar is mafia. Well... Not bad play, but it would hurt mafia agenda.

On July 21 2016 23:20 Koshi wrote:
Rels: His 3 scumtargets in his scumlist rub me the wrong way. Not enough focus on them before he made the list. Just 1 comment to justify the position. But nowhere there was any really pushing or convincing the thread.

On July 22 2016 03:58 Lunaticman wrote:
I think Rels feels wrong for lynching day 1, I think he actually contributed to the town. There are better choices. Hell I'd rather hang Kruppe because he makes no sense to me even though he puts efforts into the posts.

On July 21 2016 23:32 emperorchampion wrote:
I did notice that Rels neglected DC's follow up post in his analysis:


So the post in question was followed by:


So especially point 2 from rels is really put into question.

On July 22 2016 00:36 prplhz wrote:
Just start stacking votes on Rels and see where it leads.

Pros: He's scum
Cons: Maybe he's town but then we'll figure out something else

But seriously, we need this to go somewhere other than 6 different directions and Rels could absolutely be scum. So start stacking votes on him.

On July 22 2016 01:47 emperorchampion wrote:
Re-read on Rels:




This is a good point, but just free townie points I suppose.



Haven't really seen either this game I think.



This kinda thing could fall under the posting to seem like contributing, but not really contributing anything banner.



I like this post.





His town list seems a little at odds, notably the Palmar inclusion. Seems like he's raising some questions about Palmar's town list, but then has him as town. Seems a little odd.

Also I've pointed out the thing about his comments on DC, and how he ignored the second post. I think the town thing and palmar + the thing about missing DC's post are the things that I find most off.

On July 22 2016 04:09 Lunaticman wrote:


I think that entire sequence was very weird. I think either palmar or Haze must be scum based on it.
I just wish I was vigilante so I could do it myself.

On July 22 2016 04:13 Lunaticman wrote:


50% of Palmars posts qualify as "joke" or "troll" to me it just look like a scum with nowhere to hide.

On July 21 2016 23:21 DCWasabi wrote:


1. The point of my post is that those 2 should not be scum-read for low content posts that early in the game. Like literally it was the first 6 hours they were being scrutinized for. That is still the banter phase and people are establishing their tone. My motivation? Obviously I don't want anybody miss lynched for a stupid reason. I think that should be obvious for town to see...

2. I don't scumlean them "yet" because they haven't done anything to warrant it yet. I was implying that this does not mean that I'm giving them a free pass forever or that I think they're necessarily town (at the time).

Will post more on my lunch break, and getting ready for work now but I wanted to respond to this because it was directed at me.

On July 22 2016 04:16 Lunaticman wrote:


So hes just a douche?

On July 22 2016 04:17 Tumblewood wrote:
rels I saw a post (or maybe it was two, I can't remember) so you'd better spew town to keep from getting lynched

On July 22 2016 04:25 Tumblewood wrote:

do you remember that post from early early d1 last game (two actually) where vorono scumread and voted ec based on two posts he made?
I was chilling I'm the obs qt and pissed that people were scumreading vorono and not lynching ec. yesterday I was feeling like a genius because I thought I had caught ec for the same thing but now I'm almost sure he can't be scum.

On July 12 2016 09:52 vorono wrote:

i voted you for this post

On July 22 2016 04:27 Tumblewood wrote:
okay I read DC's filter and content-wise it sucks but that's much less important than mindset for newbies and I think his mindset is town. rels sorry but you're getting lynched today. I don't see anyone who is a better option than you.

On July 22 2016 04:28 Palmar wrote:

Actually I'm like the nicest guy.

Really

Like soft and fluffy and fun.

On July 21 2016 02:07 DCWasabi wrote:


OK, but if there is one thing that I learned from my first 2 games, it is that it is pretty nontrivial to "work towards solving the game" on Day 1. I think the first thing that is useful that one can do is get some activity out there day 1, and get your tone established so that you can be more easily read as town by the town moving forwards. I think this is one of the things that I actually did properly as town in the Onegu Best Host Game.

Town should be trying to solve the game, but some of the players haven't even posted yet, for example it is 10am local time for me and I just woke-up 30 mins ago and am trying to get caught up.

I don't scumlean either of those guys yet, tbh.

At the same time, I kind of like this post by Tumble because it is the kind of thing that can help to start more meaningful discussion going and discourage people from posting random banter, otherwise they might get scum-read by this reasoning.

I am going to slightly town-lean Tumble because his post leads to a slightly more favorable environment for town.

On July 21 2016 02:15 DCWasabi wrote:


This makes sense. Damdred totally fooled me last 2 games as active Mafia.

Also, the rules of the game should have people posting when they are awake and able, so it is quite premature to worry about activity, we should be looking at the tone, content, purpose, etc... of what people are posting when they start posting.

Noting the people that haven't posted yet is good, not bad, since it will encourages them to post.
But, it doesn't mean that they are scum.

On July 21 2016 03:45 DCWasabi wrote:



How are you reading Kruppe the eel and Palmar as scummy when they haven't posted anything yet.
They should be null.

What makes you think that they are scummy?

On July 21 2016 03:51 DCWasabi wrote:


That doesn't mean they are Mafia, it just means they are inactive.
We could Policy Lynch for inactivity, or we can Lynch somebody we actually are reading as mafia.
If they don't get active before the deadline, then host action will take place based on OP.

If they wait till the deadline, then post low-content / meaningless things, then we can lynch them on D2 if we think they are Mafia lurking in the shadows.

We do want them to be more active, but we don't want to derail the thread throwing darts at empty space.

On July 21 2016 04:56 DCWasabi wrote:


Is this 1920's Chicago, or something?
No way there are that many Mafia.

On a more serious note, I'm going to go Full-Sherlock here and determine that you are Null or Town reading:

3) Skynx
4) Lunaticman
5) emperorchampion
10) Tumblewood
yourself

Can you post some reasons?

On July 21 2016 04:58 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:

yes I can but I won't because that would take effort and not be that fun.

On July 22 2016 04:39 Grackaroni wrote:

Seems like a buddying attempt. On a separate note I don't really understood why everyone is townreading prplhz.

On July 22 2016 04:47 prplhz wrote:
when is deadline

On July 22 2016 04:47 Koshi wrote:

Try to read his first page. See how he formulates his posts around Vivax and Snickers. Free information pushed in the game.

This game there is only secrecy and roleplay. If we want any information we have to drag it out of him. Also the information post he made felt like something he had to make to get people to back off. While in the other game he made posts because he wanted to solve the game.

It is very obvious.

On July 22 2016 01:56 Kruppe the Eel wrote:
Aaai! Do not lynch me friends, Kruppe is most innocent! Kruppe solemnly swears!

Kruppe will be most preoccupied due the heat. It is current much too warm to plan a party of friends!

Some ponderings from friendly Kruppe:

Koshi's heart is in the right place. Alas, his mind is not.

Rels' envelope may have been delivered a bit too early. Kruppe observes that Rels' traitorous traits are denoted by a serious tone! Something Rels' lacked when Kruppe had the envelope delivered —worry not friends, Kruppe has many ways to switch its contents!—. Kruppe now ponders on Rels yet is not convinced of either his maliciousness or his innocence yet!

Both Skynx and EmperorChampion should know better! They have observed Kruppe's craftsmanship before! Yet they are firmly opposing Kruppe's party. Ludicrousness!
Kruppe yet ponders more on EmperorChampion. A glimpse of (genuine?) intelligence was observed —by none other than Kruppe himself!— when talking about poor, innocent Kruppe. Yet when confronted by Koshi's plain views, he simply fell back into the herd. For shame!
Traitorous Skynx should know better for certain! Kruppe expects Skynx to have deeper opinions other than defaulting on the mystery behind poorest Kruppe. Something he has even struggled with before! Most recently! Maliciousness indeed.

Kush's opinion is sharp, yet Kruppe argues that his opinion may be driven by a (nefarious?) agenda! Envelopes pending!

Palmar is bedridden. Yet a lazy man is easily underestimated. Kruppe gives a small nod towards Palmar. May he receive his envelope shortly.

On July 22 2016 04:52 Grackaroni wrote:
Has Rels played a lot of mafia?

On July 22 2016 04:54 Lunaticman wrote:
I'd be fine lynching Kruppe, Palmar. The others are honestly null reads to me so far.

I could also condone something like: DCWasabi, Prplhz, sicklucker, nnn,thekushmountains.

To me Rels reads like town to much, if he is mafia he sure is fooling me.

On July 21 2016 01:18 prplhz wrote:
Koshi so far reminds me of this



we've only witnessed the first part so far though

On July 22 2016 05:13 emperorchampion wrote:
I think reading over the last bit that DCW is definietly an OK lynch, but I'll feel pretty bad if he's town and just busy.

Reading through his filter, as a few people have pointed out, most of his posts feel like free town point posts and not too much else.

On July 22 2016 05:15 Koshi wrote:
page 8 townread:



next post. page 9 townread:


next post. page 13 update on read:


next post. page 22 scumread:



next post, page 23, scumread:


next post page 23, scumread:




Those are all consecutive posts. Well constructed and easy to read. This game he is doing nothing of that. The only read post he gave was the last one. Which he made to get people of his back.


The envelope post was terrible vague. It even appears the red envelopes were his townreads and the blue ones were scumreads. How the fuck? That is the opposite as his previous game because there even though he roleplayed his reads were clear. This game he is hiding behind the roleplaying to minimize giving out reads.


He isn't a lock mafia. But if we want to lynch a guy who has given town nothing, plays under his capabilities and plays meta different than his last town game. Kruppe is always the lynch.

On July 22 2016 05:19 Koshi wrote:

This is a very lazy and cheap summarize of somebody his filter.
Town is nothing with this.

prplhz is insane lynchbait in every game. He had a couple good posts this game so I don't see why you would want to lynch him over others.

On July 22 2016 05:25 Koshi wrote:

The guy played 50 games on this site and got lynched in 45. Who the fuck cares what happened in your last game.

I don't even care about prplhz his alignment atm. I care about the fact that was another throwaway read you gave. Not a single read you have given this game had anything resembling thought process in it. It's all cheap and generic.

100% ignored. You are most likely mafia or can't be worked with.

---

Pretty sure town will either lynch a townread of mine or a null read anyway. It's incredible.

I am gone for 30 hours. It's useless.

On July 22 2016 05:28 Grackaroni wrote:
Timing of this kruppe delurk is pretty suspect.

On July 22 2016 05:32 Kruppe the Eel wrote:
Friend Rels, Kruppe was town reading you (red was indeed the color of friends —and warmth—) until null. A townread once again!

Will you protect poor Kruppe in this time of need?

On July 22 2016 05:34 Kruppe the Eel wrote:
Kruppe's vote will stay on traitor Skynx.

On July 22 2016 05:37 Kruppe the Eel wrote:


Because Kruppe feels a malicious aura radiate from him!

On July 22 2016 01:56 Kruppe the Eel wrote:
Both Skynx and EmperorChampion should know better! They have observed Kruppe's craftsmanship before! Yet they are firmly opposing Kruppe's party. Ludicrousness!

On July 22 2016 05:39 Palmar wrote:
I think none of the leading wagons are mafia.

Let's kill tumblewood

On July 22 2016 05:40 Lunaticman wrote:


Please answer my question.

On July 22 2016 05:55 Grackaroni wrote:
Is that a cop claim?

On July 22 2016 06:02 sicklucker wrote:
kush i think

On July 22 2016 06:04 sicklucker wrote:
well no one will counterclaim since he didnt say a specific role. but in an open setup he shouldn't say anyway since it just tells mafia how to deal with him if hes town. If hes mafia we kill him later

On July 22 2016 06:26 Palmar wrote:
American

On July 22 2016 06:33 Koshi wrote:
Rels you got meta on DCW?

On July 22 2016 06:36 Koshi wrote:

Why is Kush town?

On July 22 2016 04:29 Rels wrote:

Alright. The post from last game:

So you're saying EC have a similar post this game ? Which is it ?

On July 22 2016 04:30 Rels wrote:

I'm reading it and I have the opposite conclusion.
Why are you scumreading me ?

On July 22 2016 06:42 DCWasabi wrote:
I don't have time to read all this in 18 minutes, ask me anything right now and I will answer truthfully.

On July 22 2016 06:44 Tumblewood wrote:

really not tjough
the wagons are small and can change quickly. I don't think kush is even getting lynched today.

On July 22 2016 06:45 Koshi wrote:
Sicklucker not being here is pretty damning. No?

On July 22 2016 06:48 DCWasabi wrote:
I think that Kush's case on SL is pretty shitty, but other than that nothing strikes me as particularly scummy.

He is always low activity early on.
I was Mason with him last game and he put like nothing in Mason QT.
I know that I am town, so obviously I would rather lynch him than me, but there may be better lynches.

I know that Kruppe was being inactive and useless due to hard to understand, has he posted better stuff recently?

On July 22 2016 06:49 DCWasabi wrote:
Why are people even trying to lynch me?

I have posted honestly and tried to figure things out, tho it isn't easy and I was pretty damn active early on/

On July 22 2016 04:41 Rels wrote:
DC have a fair chance being scum. His filter have almost no content BUT all of his big posts are made to feel like they actually have content. A recurring theme these these big posts is "INACTIVE IS DIFFERENT FROM SCUMMY". Look, it comes back very often:

This one doesn't even address the problematic, since Tumble was not attacking Luna and EC for making joke post, but for making "fake contributory" posts.

Useless.


Useless question to luna + a big post based on luna's answer, yet no conclusion on luna. I don't know what was the point of his question. Pointless questions are a good way to "participate" for scum.


No reaction on kush answer.

He is a good lynch
I'll read some other filters to see if I prefer someone else. But he is a good lynch.

On July 22 2016 06:51 Tumblewood wrote:

better target? did someone say rels?

On July 22 2016 06:52 prplhz wrote:
I'm switching to Rels. I'm really unsure but I don't think nnn_thekushmountains is scum. I just agreed with some of his things too much to want to lynch him on d1.

On July 22 2016 06:53 DCWasabi wrote:
Rels apparently is tunneling me because my posts aren't useful, but that is pretty fucking stupid as I contributed to getting the game going and making reads when 75% of the players hadn't done jack shit yet at the time.

On July 22 2016 06:53 Rels wrote:

And why am I scum ?

On July 22 2016 04:17 Tumblewood wrote:
rels I saw a post (or maybe it was two, I can't remember) so you'd better spew town to keep from getting lynched

On July 22 2016 04:27 Tumblewood wrote:
okay I read DC's filter and content-wise it sucks but that's much less important than mindset for newbies and I think his mindset is town. rels sorry but you're getting lynched today. I don't see anyone who is a better option than you.

On July 23 2016 04:46 Tumblewood wrote:

are you honestly scumreading someone because you think they're doing something dumb and tunneling? just because I said something postgame two games ago I won't give up my reads because they're fucking right.

On July 23 2016 04:49 Grackaroni wrote:
2nd vote on Rels and he's not even here today. Slow the fuck down. If we lynch somebody before I get a chance to go through this thread I am going to be pissed.

On July 23 2016 04:50 Tumblewood wrote:

first 24 hours: (nothing)
first posts: random shitty scumreads
EoD: throwing shit on the wall to see what sticks with lynches, but emphasizing dcwasabi who is and was obvious town
pretty clear-cut to me. you obviously don't and can't believe your reads because they're so weak and so all over the place.

On July 23 2016 04:59 Tumblewood wrote:

like, all seventy of your scumreads. there is no way you came back to thread after afkness and had a very strong DC (aka dude with 100% town mindset) read and four other scumreads and you believed all of them.

On July 22 2016 04:41 Rels wrote:
DC have a fair chance being scum. His filter have almost no content BUT all of his big posts are made to feel like they actually have content. A recurring theme these these big posts is "INACTIVE IS DIFFERENT FROM SCUMMY". Look, it comes back very often:

This one doesn't even address the problematic, since Tumble was not attacking Luna and EC for making joke post, but for making "fake contributory" posts.

Useless.


Useless question to luna + a big post based on luna's answer, yet no conclusion on luna. I don't know what was the point of his question. Pointless questions are a good way to "participate" for scum.


No reaction on kush answer.

He is a good lynch
I'll read some other filters to see if I prefer someone else. But he is a good lynch.

On July 22 2016 05:01 Rels wrote:

Palmar might be town. Kruppe I'm not sure but I'm not seeing the scuminess. kush could be anything but I dont' really want to lynch him today because he usually stays AFK for long periods of time as scum, he's kinda easy to read the later the game goes. SL I forgot he was in the game, but him not doing anything D1 is possible for any alignment, so a lynch on him would be a pure policy. I want to read his filter before ruling him out but since I don't remember anything he's said I don't think I'll find anything interesting.
It's probably gonna be between DC and PRP.
And no worries about me I'm town.

On July 22 2016 05:02 Rels wrote:
Tumble is a possibility too. He voted me for no reason at the moment I came back to the thread. He didn't state any reason for the vote, he could be scum going with the wind. And he left while I was questionning him on his attack on EC earlier.

On July 23 2016 05:11 Grackaroni wrote:

My mileage may vary. I have some strong scum games and some shitty scum games and none really in the middle.

On July 22 2016 06:08 Grackaroni wrote:
Let the WAGON OF JUSTICE commence!
First I was ignored.
Then I was suspected.
But now my wisdom has shown through.
let justice prevail.
Down with the scoundrel!
##Vote: Kushm4sta

On July 23 2016 05:14 sicklucker wrote:


i agree I said the same thing koshi but said you or rels and then I said probably.

its probably rels....

On July 23 2016 05:16 Grackaroni wrote:
Rels do you still think DCwasabi is scum?

On July 23 2016 05:20 Lunaticman wrote:
FUCK IT, can't we just lynch Koshi then, if he flips scum we will have loads to build on. If he flipps town I don't know though.

I am honestly pretty lost today.

On July 22 2016 05:25 Koshi wrote:

The guy played 50 games on this site and got lynched in 45. Who the fuck cares what happened in your last game.

I don't even care about prplhz his alignment atm. I care about the fact that was another throwaway read you gave. Not a single read you have given this game had anything resembling thought process in it. It's all cheap and generic.

100% ignored. You are most likely mafia or can't be worked with.

---

Pretty sure town will either lynch a townread of mine or a null read anyway. It's incredible.

I am gone for 30 hours. It's useless.

On July 23 2016 05:24 sicklucker wrote:


neither of you are getting lynched today fyi relax. its probably rels

On July 23 2016 05:26 Lunaticman wrote:


I'm following Tumbles argument. Besides Koshi has such a large filter we are bound to find another mafia if he flips. I cant really read him as mafia myself though. If Koshi flips town tumble should be the next auto lynch.

Also my radar has pinned Krupp, Tumble and Koshi I posted it early today.

I admit that I am grasping at straws but it feels right.

On July 23 2016 05:27 sicklucker wrote:
grack is also a good target because he did sort of lead the mislynch. would have nked palmar (both are vets) and for the reason i voted him day 1 which I mostly forget

On July 22 2016 19:54 prplhz wrote:

maybe grackaroni said it (hurr durr also scumread him) and maybe a bunch of people said it pretty much simultaneously and maybe "adept in truth" sounds a lot more like a COP, a guy who INVESTIGATES PEOPLE to find out the TRUTH about them and not so much like a MEDIC who HEALS PEOPLE or a VIGILANTE who SHOOTS PEOPLE IN THE FACE or a WHATEVER who PUTS THEM IN PRISON

i'm trying to make sense of this thing where you claim blue but not a role. but then again, you really seemed to claim cop so i don't know if you're just messing around and wasting everybody's (my) time right now.

On July 23 2016 05:42 sicklucker wrote:


seriously?

On July 23 2016 05:43 sicklucker wrote:
also apparently grack jumped off the kush wagon once he had enough votes to seal the deal. interesting

On July 23 2016 05:44 sicklucker wrote:
oh no he didnt the vote counter is kind of a mess =/

On July 23 2016 05:44 sicklucker wrote:


no thats just the bad scum. The good scum get lynches off of team mates

On July 23 2016 04:43 Rels wrote:
The reasonning is simple.
Tumble tunneled me the last game we played together. We were both town. He had a thoughtful reasonning as to why I was scum, but he was super wrong. Nevertheless he tunneled me and lost the game when mafia piled the votes on me.
He said post game he was going to work on his tunnel.
But he's doing the opposite this game. He's tunneling me so much this game that he's scumreading Koshi uniquely because "Rels is scum". Apart from that he gave 0 reason as to why I'm scum.
Scum scum scum

On July 23 2016 04:45 Rels wrote:
+ Palmar was killed. It was a very weird shot. But his scumread at EOD1 was Tumble. It's another scum indicator for Tumble.
This is more weak because Palmar is a strong player and NK are WIFOM by nature.

On July 23 2016 04:50 Rels wrote:
Another point on tumble
His D1 was weak. Super weak. Especially EOD1.
I was AFK during a lazrge portion of D1. I got some votes on me, Tumble was part of it. When I come, instead of discussing with me he reacts like that:

On July 23 2016 05:03 Rels wrote:
Day 1 vote recap colored with flips

Please use it if you wanna check something.

nnn_thekushmountains (6): Grackaroni, Palmar Grackaroni, koshi, Palmar, sicklucker, Dcwasabi, prphlz
DCWasabi(3): Rels, Skynx, emperorchampion, Lunaticman
Rels (1): Prplhz, emperorchampion, Palmar, Lunaticma Tumblewood, prphlz
Kruppe the Eel(1): Koshi, Prplhz, Grackaroni, Skynx, Sicklucker
Skynx(1): Kruppe the Eel, Palmar
emperorchampion (1): Lunaticman, Tumblewood
Sicklucker(1):: nnn_thekushmountains
Palmar(0):: Lunaticman
Lunaticman(0): Skynx

My wagon was a "default" wagon, to push the game forward and see what happens. When I started posting seriously everyone jumped off it, apart from (1) Tumble tunneling me and (2) prp that jumped on me at the very end, before switching to kush. These are weird votes.
[...]

On July 23 2016 05:19 Rels wrote:

Yeah. He did nothing to explain his wasteful posts at the very end of D1. Actually he continued talking about it.
And him coming back to the thread 20 minutes before deadline when the votes were 4-3 is suspicious too.
Tumble is asking to get lynched though. I think he decided to play "too scummy to be scum" and just mindlessly tunnel on people and posting anything.

On July 23 2016 05:03 Rels wrote:
Day 1 vote recap colored with flips

Please use it if you wanna check something.

nnn_thekushmountains (6): Grackaroni, Palmar Grackaroni, koshi, Palmar, sicklucker, Dcwasabi, prphlz
DCWasabi(3): Rels, Skynx, emperorchampion, Lunaticman
Rels (1): Prplhz, emperorchampion, Palmar, Lunaticma Tumblewood, prphlz
Kruppe the Eel(1): Koshi, Prplhz, Grackaroni, Skynx, Sicklucker
Skynx(1): Kruppe the Eel, Palmar
emperorchampion (1): [s]Lunaticman]/s], Tumblewood
Sicklucker(1):: nnn_thekushmountains
Palmar(0):: Lunaticman
Lunaticman(0): Skynx

[...]

Finally, kush's wagon. I thought it had more votes difference with DC than that. Only 3 votes difference, and the last two votes appeared very close to the deadline (during the last 20 minutes). DC in particular only came back to the thread ~20 minutes before deadline. It's possible he planned on AFKing the lynch but feared being lynched after all and came back to the thread to vote.

On July 23 2016 13:03 DCWasabi wrote:
OK, well turns out "solving the game" was a bit too ambitious, but I can give my thoughts...

Rels: #1 Mafia
He tunneled me 4ever, confirmed town (to myself).
He is also throwing shade at tumble, who I believe is town and Prp who is my #1 town read.

Grackaroni: Mafia
Rels #1 bestest teamate, if Rels flips town then disregard this read

prplhz: #1 town
consistant tone, changes his mind when presented with evidence, hard to fake passion, hesitant to lynch Kush, good thoughts about Kruppe

Skynx:
I think she is town or a skilled mafia, more likely town.
Filter is fucking long.
Good logic and reading things, moving thread forward.
I like her case on Koshi and defence of Kush.

note:
I don't read prplhz or Skynx as Mafia for scumreading me necessairly, because I admit that parts of my play have looked a bit scummy.
They aren't tunelling me like Rels was.

Kruppe: town for now because nobody cced

Tumble: Town
He is either town, or I think he is a really good at mafia.

Lunaticman:
Another fking long filter.
I think he is town, but if he ever confirmed town... do this: Go back and look at posts where he suspected somebody and then see who questioned his credibility right afterwards or called him crazy (they may be mafia).

Empc:
Town, as I explained earlier, I don't think his play this game is the exact same as his last scum games. For me it is noticeably different, even if he is not driving thread forward with logic, I feel like his posts are more heartfelt and not forced. Either he is town this game or he got better at playing mafia. i hope I'm not wrong.

There is also some Wifom about his "random vote" that yielded Palmar. I think it leans town as it would be too obvious to then NK palmer, but Wifom will be Wifom. It is a bit weird though that he then didn't comment on the idea that maybe mafia were setting him up... but it is not like he was really pushing for a Palmar kill, so it is probably nothing...

1 more thing, he is defending me at a points where I think it would have be stupid to do so if he was mafia. I mean, if there are several town on me right now, then I think Mafia could have a good shot at lynching me with a push form just 1-2 Mafia (please don't do that).

He says I need to step up and I think that is fair.

Sicklucker:
Towny because his reads make sense to me

Koshi: Town
if he is not town then we will worry about that later, he can actually push thread forward if he is town.


WELL FK, one of my TR has to be Mafia because it doesn't add up

On July 24 2016 00:58 prplhz wrote:
It's more reasonable to lynch Tumblewood. But this lynch does feel a little easy. Compared to how he keeps saying that Kruppe the Eel should be lynched, this is fairly reasonable.

On July 24 2016 04:39 prplhz wrote:
I'd much rather just MURDER DCWasabi. He seems to be putting noticably less deliberation into the game than he did last game. You could say that carefree reads would ostensibly point to town but it just seems like he doesn't care as much about pushing his ideas as he did the last two games I played with him.

Like just now, just 5 minutes of going through Tumblewood's filter and posting a couple of posts with a one liner smacked on them. Just doesn't seem like how he posted in the other games, he would be more inquisitive and then when he had an idea he would push it. This just seems like "you guys do whatever as long as I have some deniability for whatever's happeneing".

On July 24 2016 04:46 prplhz wrote:
Also Palmar's last words was that DCWasabi was going way under the radar.

On July 24 2016 05:01 sicklucker wrote:
Theres no way tumbleweed is mafia. two confirmed towns from my pov are not even voting him. and my most likely mafia suspects are. this wont end well

On July 24 2016 05:02 sicklucker wrote:


grack his tone is red

On July 24 2016 05:03 sicklucker wrote:
Also grack and someone else wanted to lynch me. if they were town dont you think mafia might join them?

On July 24 2016 05:05 sicklucker wrote:
like koshi my top 3 towns are not voting tumbleweed. Two are confirmed to me (myself and the chez wannabe) This is a mislynch...

On July 24 2016 05:12 sicklucker wrote:
also if i was mafia i would hammer tumbler here 100%. even if I was with him I would probably hammer because you idiots want to lynch me next

On April 28 2016 01:14 sicklucker wrote:


well I didnt bus super the game before... and he asked me to I cant make this shit up.

Super wanted me to bus him all game but I went out of my way to keep him alive.

Like this is something that acualy happened. I killed rstoulin for the specific reason that if she flipped scum super would look alot more townie and not get lynched.

I said the logic in the third party qt if you think im making this up for any reason

On April 28 2016 01:16 sicklucker wrote:
so we have acual evidence in a very very recent game where super LITERRALY ASKED ME TO BUS HIM. but I refused.

Yet for me to be scum here I would have had to run such a crazy epic bus on super AND ONEGU.

like its acualy so improbable and you can not denie my logic here

On April 28 2016 03:33 sicklucker wrote:
why cant I? I provided evidence where super asked me to bus him and I refused

On April 28 2016 03:36 sicklucker wrote:
Like I bus way less then the average person dispite what jat says. He was my scum partner the only time i ever really bussed. I cant actually think of a clean bus I ever did since then. and I really only bussed in that spot because I was the second wagon and there was no reason not too

On July 24 2016 05:08 sicklucker wrote:


he probably is

On July 24 2016 05:15 sicklucker wrote:
dcw still seems like a 50/50.. hes like 3/4th on my suspect list so I dont think its the greatest. but better then this

On July 24 2016 05:27 Lunaticman wrote:


I cant believe we didnt do rels day1...

the thing is I think it feels like both koshi and sl are towny, but I mean we cant be sure. This lynch has to be a mafia and I think there are 2 mafia on the tumble lynch.

So it is either Rels or Grack then. Haze feels towny too.

On July 24 2016 05:28 sicklucker wrote:
everyone vote rels now. hes way better then dc. dc is even voting rels so dc is a cool dude

On July 24 2016 05:47 sicklucker wrote:
And here is his reasonning:
Like I havent even read rels filter but im like 95% sure hes mafia just by the way the games played out and others interactions and voting patterns. easiest game of my life

On July 25 2016 20:47 Koshi wrote:
What is sl his angle as mafia to spare dcw? There was a legit chance that DCW was going to get momentum if there is no mafia within Koshi/prplhz.

Yet every mafia refused to go to that lynch?


And don't tell me dcw is mafia because he is town.

---

Mafia wanted to kill Grack. There are at least 2 mafia on Grack. Tumble + lunatic.
There is a chance that the third mafia is on Grack as well (skynx or sl) but I am townreading skynx pretty heavily now. And sl a bit.


I believe prplhz was the mafia that tried to make the DCW wagon happen with me. And both Tumble and Luna didn't want to be third and waited till there was more town on the wagon to swap.

On July 25 2016 06:46 sicklucker wrote:
ok so I think dc is definitely scum. he played pretty much the same as me to be honest. hard defended tumble. The only difference is hes a first time mafia if he is. which means he might be terrible and risk his entire game on tumbleweed something I wouldnt do.

Also I think the lynch pools small and I certainly dont want to get lynched. kruppe was right here hes going to flip mafia

On July 26 2016 02:03 Lunaticman wrote:


Well I'm also thinking about the fact that the mafia has been using me as click bait. And I also assume I'm town.

Can someone give me a link that explains all the roles in detail that are possible in the game? But I can't see to find it.

On July 20 2016 20:34 Skynx wrote:

Jailkeeper protects you from nk but also roleblocks you
gf turns green for cop checks
parity cop checks two persons over two cycles, end of second cycle he recieves "same, different or no-result"
Strongarm makes nk piercing protections

On July 20 2016 20:39 Rels wrote:

Jailkeeper protects a person each night, like a doctor. The difference is that he also roleblocks his target. If his target is a cop for example, the cop will be protected but won't be able to check someone that night. If the jailkeeper target is a mafia killing someone, his target won't be able to carry the kill (IE no mafia kill will happen).

Strongarm: during the night, the mafia can kill one person. If their target is protected, the kill won't happen. BUT the strongarm can make it so that the kill will bypass protection.

Godfather: a cop can check a person each night to learn his alignment: town or mafia. A godfather will return "town" to a cop acheck.

On July 26 2016 02:16 Lunaticman wrote:
So might this be the reason Kruppe cleared SL?

"If the jailkeeper target is a mafia killing someone, his target won't be able to carry the kill (IE no mafia kill will happen"

I wish he just said who he targeted in plain text, can someone figure that out since if he targeted a mafia there would not have been a nk?

On July 26 2016 02:21 Koshi wrote:
He said he targeted TW. And he was probably RB'ed.

On July 24 2016 06:10 DCWasabi wrote:


I'm changing my vote to Koshi.

I believe in you Skynx.

## unvote
##vote Koshi

I'll be back after the silent night.

On July 26 2016 02:38 Lunaticman wrote:


If we assume EC is towny, Skynx is really scummy.

Do we think there are 2 mafia on the grac lynch?

If so there should be another mafia between Skynx and SL.

The only reason I'm holding a bit back on SL is because of kruppes statements. It is the same reason I'm trusting you rels.

On July 26 2016 02:55 Skynx wrote:
I'm here folks. Will be here for next few hours as well.

On July 26 2016 17:39 Skynx wrote:
You're all already so bad Lunatic/DCW survived yesterday. I give up all hope if we lynch someone else today.

On July 26 2016 23:07 emperorchampion wrote:
To be clear: let's not hammer until end of day. Unfortunately, this is going to be pretty difficult, since majority is 4, and there are 2 scum. That means 2 votes on someone is potential hammer so we should be a bit careful here.

On July 26 2016 23:22 Grackaroni wrote:
Coloring vote counts turns out to be way harder to do than I ever knew, so I'm just going to go with a summary.

On July 27 2016 01:39 prplhz wrote:

there's really nothing i could say that i didn't say already

gotta admit i didn't expect you guys to freak out so much over it though

can you just give some reads because the thread has completely stalled waiting for you