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On July 20 2016 12:24 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: Grack seems pretty unstable. Maybe it will be him You leave me no choice! I have my reasons. . . | ||
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On July 20 2016 20:47 Lunaticman wrote: Yes I agree, is it too soon to start voting? I am unsure about the timezones for all the players but this is to quiet. It feels like a scum town atm... I would throw accusations left and right now if it was irl to gauge some responses! You can vote whenever you wish. No need to ask my permission. It is quiet right now. I'm mostly waiting for some of the players I'm more familiar with. | ||
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On July 20 2016 21:41 Lunaticman wrote: Well I think rels is blue based on his posts so far. One mafia usually goes active in the beginning but I dont really have any scum vibes yet. There is probably a 50/50 red or green on both of you so far. And what do you think about me so far? I'm pretty confident you're town. | ||
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On July 20 2016 21:48 Lunaticman wrote: It feels like this post has a lot of hidden information care to elaborate? None at all. It's my attempt to be clever from your previous post. On July 20 2016 21:02 Lunaticman wrote: It feels like the calm before the storm... | ||
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To be fair, I saw 100.000.000.000% and figured there had to be something good in there. | ||
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On July 20 2016 22:13 Koshi wrote: No. Mafia tends to do it in the thread because it is a post with a lot of words that puts them in the center of attention without any risk. Do you see how he used way more words than needed? Doesn't make him mafia. But I have seen mafia do it just like that. I think this can be a scum tell for lurkers who are just looking to buff up their filter to avoid a lynch. It's pretty much a null tell for somebody I can only assume will be posting a lot. | ||
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On July 20 2016 22:03 Koshi wrote: I think Lunaticman has done everything a mafia does early game. Ask a simple question about the setup: + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2016 20:29 Lunaticman wrote: Rels since no one else seems to be active right now maybe you could help me explain a bit about the roles. "Mason and Parity Cop vs Godfather goon and roleblocker cop and jailkeeper vs Godfather, strongarm and role blocker Jailkeeper and vigilante vs Godfather, Goon, Strongarm" I do not recognize the jailkeeper, strong arm and godfather. Call somebody blue / bluehunted + is self-aware + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2016 21:41 Lunaticman wrote: Well I think rels is blue based on his posts so far. One mafia usually goes active in the beginning but I dont really have any scum vibes yet. There is probably a 50/50 red or green on both of you so far. And what do you think about me so far? Do "serious" scumhunting on a matter that was put forward as a joke. Bit too hard-try + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2016 20:17 Lunaticman wrote: I was expecting emperorchampion to be very active in the beginning since I spectated the last game played (the one with hilary and trump). Maybe he changed his playstyle or maybe he simply asleep. What do you think Rels? And lastly it maybe seems like he is trusting people too much and tries to buddy them. That all said I don't scumread you. It's just something I saw ![]() I'm more curious about this part. He didn't give anyone a town read aside from suggesting Kels could be blue. Any posts in particular? | ||
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On July 20 2016 22:37 Koshi wrote: Meh. It is a maybe feeling. Point of the post was to create discussion and deny the upcoming lunaticguy is 100% town sentiment. That's fair. | ||
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On July 20 2016 23:19 Tumblewood wrote: I was ehh kind of uncertain on luna until he made this post. this is about the exact opposite of what a mafia would post if they were trying to blend in / sound town. scrubtell? ehh not sure what to make of this post. it's weird, but townies are weird too. idk, townreading koshi blindly seems to be working for me so far. On July 20 2016 23:26 Tumblewood wrote: actually no luna's one post is not enough to balance out his previous posting. he's been posting but hardly playing all game. that definitely warrants a scumlean in my book. (this also applies to ec) also if luna is scum I guess koshi isn't partners because why make a scum case and not go for the cred? shitty mafia move. Here tumble made a quick unprompted re-evaluation of his read on Lunatic. I think that is a strong indication that Tumble is making genuine reads and is therefore town. Mafia spends more time deciding how they want to interpret a player and then defend their interpretation until they are given a reason to change. Re-evaluating Lunatic. Lunatic hasn't made any real accusations until Palmar voted him. On July 20 2016 20:47 Lunaticman wrote: Yes I agree, is it too soon to start voting? I am unsure about the timezones for all the players but this is to quiet. It feels like a scum town atm... I would throw accusations left and right now if it was irl to gauge some responses! I don't see why forum mafia would be any different from in real life mafia. Moreover, right now he's voting for someone he thinks is town?? On July 21 2016 03:45 Lunaticman wrote: No I still think you are town, but I think they made good arguments based on your previous games. Why are you doing this? It doesn't really make sense from a town or a scum perspective. On July 21 2016 02:30 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: I think EC made a townie point about how skynx kept bringing up the pregame qt link. So townread on EC. I do not think that point was valid, because skynx only brought it up once, and the rest of the time was in response to other people talking about it. Skynx actually gets a tone-based townread for his chilled out, comfortable swagger. Can you explain what was townie about this qt link discussion? So far Kush has contributed little, but he actually seems like he wants people to think that he's putting an effort this game. I think this is scummy for Kush since he usually has a loud, distinct no-shits given attitude as town. On July 21 2016 04:20 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: scum 1) Prplhz 2) DCWasabi 6) Rels 7) sicklucker 8) Gracaroni 11) Kruppe the eel 12) Koshi 13) Palmar A list of 8 people? I expect more. I think Kush is the best lynch for today. ##Vote: Kushm4sta | ||
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Tumble made a good point that emperor didn't seem interested in following up his case and posted about coffee instead. I think the original case of posting but not focusing on anything was weak and could have applied to a lot of people, including myself. I don't think Emperor is a good lynch for today. | ||
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On July 20 2016 23:04 Lunaticman wrote: Based on this post whom do you think is mafia? This wasn't a mason claim it was a scum claim. I'm very into tongue and cheek. | ||
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On July 21 2016 05:41 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: wasup grack. hao jiu bu jian. I think you misunderstood me. I was calling his tone townie. I was calling his qt discussion null, not townie. 好久不见. I still don't understand. You think that skynx talking about qts is null and EC talking about skynx talking about qts is townie? | ||
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On July 21 2016 08:56 prplhz wrote: before people hammer nnn_thekushmountains he just plays like this, played exactly like this in bavarian and played exactly like this in onegu is best host i'm getting a slight town vibe from him just because he put 8 people on his scum list but other than that, he could really be anything i also think it's pretty useless to pressure him if we want a policy lynch i think sicklucker is the way to go because he's not posting It's possible Kush's play has changed since I've last played with him. Other people can add a better idea of how Kush currently plays than I do at this point. I haven't played with him in over a year and don't keep too up to date on current games. That said from what I remember of Kush his tone feels quite off to me. Also, a lot of people seem more suspicious of the players who have contributed essentially nothing. I think you get a lot better success rate of hitting scum by lynching people who are contributing only a bit above that level while still giving off the appearance that they are interested in contributing. On July 21 2016 09:22 prplhz wrote: @Grackaroni Why is it scummy that nnn_thekushmountains has 8 people on his scum list? The post is just a highlight of what I've found underwhelming from him so far. It's not scummy to suspect a lot of people. | ||
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On July 21 2016 10:06 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: yeah now that I think back about it, Grack should know better. It's been a while since I played with him though so I forget how clueless he is. It's a process of elimination which isn't uncommon. Something that could have thrown it off is that I presented it as a scum list, when really it's the inverse of a townlist. I understand that it's process of elimination. Perhaps you're right that I would have interpreted it more favorably if it was just the reverse, i.e. the list of people you feel are town attached with your thought process rather than the way you phrased it. | ||
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On July 21 2016 11:14 Grackaroni wrote: It's possible Kush's play has changed since I've last played with him. Other people can add a better idea of how Kush currently plays than I do at this point. I haven't played with him in over a year and don't keep too up to date on current games. That said from what I remember of Kush his tone feels quite off to me. Also, a lot of people seem more suspicious of the players who have contributed essentially nothing. I think you get a lot better success rate of hitting scum by lynching people who are contributing only a bit above that level while still giving off the appearance that they are interested in contributing. The post is just a highlight of what I've found underwhelming from him so far. It's not scummy to suspect a lot of people. Koshi also fits into that scum sweet spot for me that I described. The only thing he's done this game is talk about some unease with Lunatic's posts, yet he's been posting enough that he gives off some appearance of trying to scum hunt. Also like Kush, I have some expectations of what to expect from his play and what he has posted is not what I would expect from Koshi so far. | ||
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On July 21 2016 11:30 sicklucker wrote: how long till deadline? time to spam the thread to get my 10 posts 22 hours until deadline. | ||
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On July 20 2016 23:26 emperorchampion wrote: also this just finally dinged in my head, now that I remember that you're Tureky-blocked lol ![]() hmm elaborate scum set-up here, trying to make everyone think that you can't access qt, therefore must not be mafai! ![]() ![]() ![]() It doesn't make any sense to me at all that this post is the basis for Kush's town read on EC. How can you discern anything from that? | ||
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On July 21 2016 12:04 sicklucker wrote: yes and it was in your last game im pretty sure. since it was my first and I remember... and kush was mafia and nked you so this is interesting You have a much better memory than I do. | ||
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On July 21 2016 12:07 sicklucker wrote: ya I also cant bother to read any of the new players maybe im just in a mood I just skimmed all their posts. I dont even read tumbles/gumshoes posts and now theirs even new players. But I play mafia too much and im worn out. you havent played in a year no warn out excuses! ##vote grackaroni I never said I was warn out. | ||
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On July 21 2016 12:09 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: jk about shutting the fuck up grack. um but yeah. Let's vote for kruppe or rels or something guys. What do you think about a Koshi vote? | ||
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On July 21 2016 12:07 Tumblewood wrote: lol just remembered I have two quotes open in other tabs the note on kruppe kinda weirds me out but I think kush wouldn't be that obvious probably also palmar said a thing (nested quote is relevant) I thought he was going one way with "agreeing with my trolling"-- like, in the direction of "he said something bad/dumb" but then he went in the direction of "doesn't detect sarcasm". being unable to detect sarcasm is totally nai-- it reflects on the person and not the alignment. both of these posts raise question marks in my head but I don't know if it makes either of them scum. Palmar was having a laugh because he made a bunch of joke logic posts and Lunatic was agreeing with them. I think I get what Kush is saying there. Kruppe might feel more responsibility to make his role playing more clear to seem townie if he has a team counting on him not getting lynched. | ||
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On July 21 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote: So p19 it kicks off with Tumble case. While it's an ok case, there is nothing new in it. Tumble basically just repeats and compiles what he's found scummy about emperor over span of past few pages. Main point being posting for sake of posting. This however is some giveaway. Now his push turns into a meta push. I mean if you feel like you made enough convincing in your case why write this? There are lot of players who are unfamiliar with emp playstyle and I don't actually agree he fits his scum meta so far. Actually I'm sure Koshi can figure out why emperor is not scum so far cuz we discussed this deeply in coach chat. Koshi, could you comment on this meta. | ||
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On July 21 2016 17:56 Skynx wrote: And that's basically it. Few pointers in that case Town lean: emperor, haze, DCW Not entirely town yet but not lynching today lol: Palmar, Koshi, kush, Tumble Total Null/Inactive/Needs to step up: Rels, Kruppe, sicklucker Slight scumlean: Lunatic Bit more scumlean: Grack Fields Town leans are mainly feels due to general posting style/tone. Only emperor is not scum that he was in previous games for few reasons that will remain hidden cuz that might change. Palmar is Palmar, he can lynch his godfather teammate for towncred or contribute very low but precise to lynch scum 1 by 1, needs more time but I like him tone based so far. Koshi is slightly odd and different to how I know him but that might be because he's a changed man now. kush is kush, similar to palmar. Tumble's push I don't find necessarily well constructed but he did progress the game from that miserable spam dump we turned it into so props for that. Needs more time to read. Rels came in, made some few remarks about game/roles and left, nothing to note really. Kruppe is on another dimension but Palmar is sure he's mafia hmmmm sl is sl Points on Lunatic explained eariler Grack I have a scumlean on for few reasons. First he admitted to lurk but did not declare it to thread in a towny way like haze. He than townread Tumble for interacting with Lunatic in quick succession which is weak at best. Mafia doesn't have to coordinate small stuff like that, people should be capable of engaging in conversation without giving away too much as mafia. On top of all it could be svs. Now he realises something is fishy about Lunatic but that is such a weak push considering Lunatic's plays/reads/vote so far made no sense. He's right about that but kinda needs to build up on it. Then turns to kush, which he gives mixed impressions on why he scumreads him: This contribution for sake of contribution argument is getting a trend. Kush has been pretty similar to how he plays normally. On top of that there were so many other players like how you described kush such as Palmar and haze, why they are not scum? Then you turn to tone based read. Then you turn to wow 8 people scumread wtf. I just don't see what in there makes kush a perfect lynch today. Also how you so sure about kush meta and tone then? Where did I say I was lurking? Those were just things I've noticed on Lunatic not a push. I think I've explained fairly clearly why I like a Kush lynch. Palmar/Haze's attitude didn't strike me as off in a scummy way like Kush's did. | ||
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On July 21 2016 22:31 Koshi wrote: 7 pages of filter. It makes sense that he has a lot of things in it that you don't agree with. Question is, did he things only a mafia would do? Or did he things that only a townie would do? If you don't have any of those, better not lynch him D1 just because his style pisses you off. This is a good post. It seems like there's a lot of quick accusations of Lunatic whenever he does something odd. He's posted enough by now that we should be able to do a more thorough analysis on him, which I plan to do before lynch time. | ||
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On July 21 2016 22:35 Skynx wrote: His style doesn't piss me off. If we take his actions totally serious he's like confirmed mafia in my eyes. His style suggests that he's not aware of certain stuff behind posts and takes non-serious things for real and vice versa. I reasoned my original slight scumlean based off of that, that ok he might pick up on the game when he gets familiar but he said stuff so far that must always get him lynched at one point. My only concern is he's prolly town. Can you elaborate? You make a better case for him being a confused player than scum. | ||
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On July 21 2016 23:13 Skynx wrote: Too many at once. To answer most at once; Lunatic is probably town and his lynch will get us nowhere if flipped green. I find that fair but he did some scummy things from almost any perspective which I've explained over course of last 5 or so pages. Koshi: 7 pages of filter doesn't make anyone town necessarily. rayn prolly had a 15 page filter in a 7 player game on D2, he was gf. However all that being said I'm letting Lunatic case sit for a while until others state their opinions. I'm also beyond lost. As a general rule I'd recommend not voting for people who are probably town. | ||
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On July 21 2016 23:20 Skynx wrote: This is lurking. You were following the thread but we didn't know about it. It's tactical it seems. On Lunatic and kush, well I guess we just have differing opinions then. I wasn't sitting here taking notes all day long and not posting, I took notes as I read through the thread. | ||
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On July 21 2016 23:22 Koshi wrote: This is actually a very good list. I wonder if Palmar voted Kush after or before this list. Because if it is after this list... Bad news! I believe that's a list of what was the three least active players. | ||
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On July 21 2016 23:28 Skynx wrote: I see. Who are you ok with lynching other than kush? Sicklucker/kruppe/rels are all fine lynches for day 1. Koshi seems to be getting more involved with the thread right now, which is good. | ||
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On July 21 2016 23:34 Skynx wrote: I'm not sure about rels. I hold sl/palmar almost same in terms of lynchability. Kruppe I'm fine with if he keeps same attitude. Can you explain the kruppe read? He seems unreadable. | ||
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On July 21 2016 23:53 Lunaticman wrote: And can someone please explain why Grackaroni and Palmar voted for nnn_thekushmountains? It's in my filter. I don't think I can explain it any better. My experience with Kush makes me think his tone is off. Town Kush doesn't give a crap. Scum Kush feels some obligation not to fuck over his teammates. | ||
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Oh now, tell me now, tell me now, tell me now you know. | ||
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On July 21 2016 23:08 Koshi wrote: I have actually a good reason why Palmar is town: The (better) townreads in this list were really fast and on point. prplhz, EC and Skynx. Would be bad play if Palmar is mafia. Well... Not bad play, but it would hurt mafia agenda. How did you end up townreading Palmar based off a list that was randomly generated? He even put himself as null, but I figured it was a non-role pm reading thing. | ||
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On July 22 2016 04:36 Koshi wrote: how the fuck was I supposed to know it was rng? The reasoning is literally in the fucking post you quoted. Seems like a buddying attempt. On a separate note I don't really understood why everyone is townreading prplhz. | ||
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On July 22 2016 04:50 Rels wrote: kush could be anything. I have ONE reason to think he might be town but it is very very bad. So bad I'm afraid saying it. + Show Spoiler + On July 21 2016 12:13 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: Actually I rethought this and I'm not confident about those two even. So I'm just going to vote for SL. CASE AGAINST SL SL has never been mislynched. So lynching him is a win-win situation for us. Either he's scum, or he's town and we shit all over his streak. ##vote SL I also think like this often as town to try and solve the game. Agreed. That is quite bad. ^ _ ^ | ||
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On July 21 2016 04:34 Palmar wrote: It's rock solid logic, mafia doesn't need to find mafia so they don't make cases so everyone that makes a case is 100% town all the time. Skynx posted a case on me when he really had no reason to do so based on what was currently going on in the thread. I didn't agree with anything in it, but T for effort. | ||
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On July 22 2016 05:25 Lunaticman wrote: I just feel like we wont gain any information from kruppe... Im going to bed in 30 min, so please decide before that what we are going for. For some reason I can't process the difference in Kruppe's play here and in the Koshi quotes. but yeah, Kruppe lynch is pretty much the best we can get today. Full steam ahead. | ||
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On July 22 2016 05:48 Kruppe the Eel wrote: The fact that nobody read Kruppe's letters saddens Kruppe. Shameful! Well they're all concealed in envelopes... | ||
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First I was ignored. Then I was suspected. But now my wisdom has shown through. let justice prevail. Down with the scoundrel! ##Vote: Kushm4sta | ||
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On July 22 2016 06:12 Koshi wrote: meh. It is possible. YES! KOSHI. Grack lynches are the best lynches. | ||
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On July 22 2016 03:43 Palmar wrote: And yes, everyone this game is retarded (including me) and we need someone to step up and take a leadership role, get us organized, lay down the law and be useful. Koshi is sort of trying, Lunatic is well... a lunatic, so that discounts him. If anyone wants to summarize cases and present us with options to do shit, that'd be most appreciated. Plammar. This is your chance! Be the hero we need. | ||
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On July 22 2016 19:13 Kruppe the Eel wrote: Show thyselves lurking predators! Blind Koshi excluded. Prplhz, Grackaroni, Skynx, Sicklucker, EmperorChampion. Your eyes hungered for poor Kruppe yesternight, elaborate on your behavior, Kruppe demands of you! Before I did not see that you were Hijole, but now I see that you are the stuff of CHUPAZI, indeed. I thought you were unreadable and there were a lot of people being townie, so not a bad lynch by process of elimination. | ||
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On July 23 2016 03:00 Lunaticman wrote: Or that is what the mafia wants us to think, which means it is probably the reverse. If mafia were smart they would have left Palmar alive. A bunch of people would have voted him. I would have considered it for sure. There's got to be a reason to kill him. | ||
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On July 22 2016 19:50 Kruppe the Eel wrote: Why did you think this? Because Rels said so? The Rels you had a scumread on? Kruppe raises his eyebrow most vehemently! You said you were an adept of truth. How else were we supposed to interpret that? | ||
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On July 23 2016 03:11 emperorchampion wrote: I think the only way Palmar kill is good is if koshi is scum. But koshi really seems like town, and I agree that he should be off the table for d2 in any case. One other thought is that they could have thought that maybe palmar is blue since he was playing a little trolly earlier on. I think the best thing we can do right now is to establish towny-ness, I think scum hunting comes second at the moment. Right now scum really need to take out our cop role, and likely their rollblock will be tied up with kruppe, so if we get a good enough town circle with 1 or 2 cop checks we can roll them over pretty easy. I don't see the logic of it. Palmar was townreading Koshi. Scumhunting is how we will establish ourselves as town. | ||
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On July 23 2016 03:18 emperorchampion wrote: For the palmar kill: I don't see any reason to kill palmar over koshi, but maybe scum have a different idea of things. I mean, yeah I guess so. I think there are other ways of establishing townie-ness (meta or whatever) though. I guess I'm just more concerned with getting a good town circle the definitely killing a scum today. Also grack: assume that myself, koshi, kruppe, lunatic and dc are all green, who is scum to you? Why am I making this assumption? I think that would leave a scumteam of SL/Rels/Tumblewood. But this is tentative. I'm going to be here for a while making a thorough reread of this game. I'm going to make sure the day 2 lynch hits scum since my day 1 lynch did not. | ||
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On July 23 2016 03:26 emperorchampion wrote: Why do you have rels/tumble on the same team? Why not? I don't think bussing is an impossibility. I bus all the time. | ||
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On July 22 2016 20:33 Skynx wrote: None of Krupp's actions made sense. He scumread Lunatic after I dropped my case. He scumread me for agreeing to vote for him. He claimed out of panic. He didn't post 1 thing that relatively made sense. He did everything to be not townread, only comparably ok lynch was DCW. This is nonsense. You dropping your scum read on Lunatic does not make Kruppe scum. He was suspicious of you pushing him as a meta lynch when you had played with him earlier. The only weird thing is that he is not suspicious of Koshi who did exactly the same. | ||
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On July 22 2016 20:56 Lunaticman wrote: Yes that was my point, it is a clever way to set me up, I even claimed I would kill him if I had the vigilante role. Now it is easy for someone to put suspicion on me for it. Also tbh in the end it felt like the entire palmar EC lunaticman was TvT. Can we put together a scumlist for day 2 and work from that? First lets go through Kush and Palmars feed for information. I honestly believe that their scumlists are probably all town, it is a good strategy to misdirect the town but thé question is who that leaves us. The CHUPAZI is strong in this one. | ||
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On July 23 2016 03:49 Skynx wrote: This is not nonesense. It came to a point of pointless arguing and the towniness of Lunatic was universally agreed and i dropped my case. Then Kruppe came in and gave a red enveloppe. Don't try to twist words. I'll let him make his case for his read, but scum will more likely want to blend in with other people than scumread somebody who is universally town read. It makes them stick out and they have to come up with original reasoning to defend their suspicion.(To be fair, Kruppe would probably not do any of that.) | ||
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On July 23 2016 03:51 Skynx wrote: Nice contribution bud ![]() I would read your every post and find 10 things to trashtalk in every single one of them aswell if i gave two fucks. Anything you wanna add to the conversation? I don't intend it as trash talk. You're throwing suspicion on somebody for bad reasons. That's important to me and should be important to others as well. | ||
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On July 22 2016 22:43 Koshi wrote: ##Vote Rels Kush/Palmar and a lot of people found/find him suspicious. Reading his filter nothing stands out. Didn't really care his preferred lynch target was lynched. When I asked him about DCW close to the lynch he didn't try to convince me the guy was mafia at all. Instead he deflected my invitation to join him with "I don't know DCW is 100% mafia". Which is maybe weird. Anyway. My vote is there. I don't like this vote. Kush and Palmar both suspected Rels from his start of day play when he was inactive. If we're going to throw down a vote, I want to see a bit more reasoning than that. No hiding behind the deceased. | ||
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On July 22 2016 23:28 emperorchampion wrote: This seems very hasty. Having kush and palmar as town is really no town credit at all, since they were both at least somewhat ambiguous. More leans towards TMI for me. Good post. Touting your play from day 1 due to townreads on Kush/Palmar is crap. You were fine with lynching Palmar, and you didn't offer a stunning defense of Kushm4sta either. You aren't getting any credit for this. On July 22 2016 03:24 Skynx wrote: Well, we can lynch one of Palmar/haze i guess? Why did you guys claim anyway? On July 22 2016 04:31 Skynx wrote: I have my reasons. + Show Spoiler + jk, I feel like kush has been ok and I liked some of the stuff rels pointed out in his second activity period. | ||
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On July 22 2016 23:29 Skynx wrote: I refuse to believe you are playing bad. Playing bad is not same as having bad reads. You can have bad reads but you had nothing on kush and still went for it. Even if Koshi didn't agree with my interpretation of Kush. (@Koshi, did you? I'm not sure.) He has pointed out that he is using process of elimination with his 3/6 chance of hitting mafia on Kruppe. Kush lynch would follow the exact same logic from Koshi. | ||
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On July 22 2016 23:33 Koshi wrote: Hmm. I think I produced lists in which Kush had in them. I did say that Kush shouldn't be looked at till he was proven wrong or showed face. But I didn't have an other option that moment. Rels was there and I didn't have the balls to go for him. All other people looked town to me. Also. About "refusing" to believing I was "bad". That's just really silly. I think people in the game knew how I ended up on Kush. It wasn't opportunistic scum at all. I made enough posts to see how my thought process was and what happened. Your push on me is based on something very flimpsy. Adding extra factors as "not townreading you for making a case on you" is really cool and all. But it wont fly as town will see right through it. But keep up the push on me. You are weakening the strong position you worked yourself in during D1. Ok further thread reading is making me look stupid. Pretty bad end of the day vote by Koshi. | ||
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On July 23 2016 04:38 Tumblewood wrote: grack do you really have nothing to say about Koshi/anything that I said? I'm not a big fan of unflipped associations, but I'll look into it. I still have a few hours yet! | ||
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On July 22 2016 23:40 Skynx wrote: You guys should lynch Koshi, Grack, SL in this order. Cop should check kruppe and Luna. emperor, haze, rels are always town. Now I'm confused. You're lynching Koshi because he didn't have the balls to lynch Rels, but you think Rels is town? | ||
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On July 23 2016 04:49 Skynx wrote: Are you reading the thread at all? If you have been, you know why i wanna lynch Koshi...... For the reason I just said. You're lynching him for lynching Kush without reason instead of Rels. But why is that scummy if Rels is town? | ||
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On July 23 2016 05:02 Skynx wrote: No he swapped from Kruppe to kush. Rels wasn't involved at all. He said he was scared to vote Rels. Thats why Tumble's point is interesting. Are you now walking back your town read of Rels? | ||
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On July 23 2016 05:06 Skynx wrote: It's impossible to talk to you. Where the fuck did you draw that from what I wrote please tell me. On July 23 2016 04:09 Tumblewood wrote: [/b]guys I found rels's partner this guy all d1 Koshi was yelling at rels for being bad and keeping him as his second scumread. when rels was the lynch, Koshi was sitting on kruppe and crying out "a trollplayer isn't being helpful! lynch!" the association is so obvious... Koshi is "fine with lynching rels" but instead chooses to save him. scumteam is for sure rels/koshi/an inactive (sl? maybe) I would be totally fine with afk-voting the next two days and coming back when there are real decisions to make Is this not the point you were referencing? Tumble is arguing that Koshi voted Kush to save his scum buddy, Rels. | ||
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On July 23 2016 05:10 Rels wrote: Grac are you a strong scum ? (lie and I will find out) My mileage may vary. I have some strong scum games and some shitty scum games and none really in the middle. | ||
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On July 23 2016 05:21 sicklucker wrote: people have been lynched for less... kush played pretty poorly he called 10 people scum and built no town circle and voted a town out of spite because he thought it would be funny to mislynch me like lol you need to calm down your going on a rampage here your going to mislynch ALOT of people in your life Didn't you vote for me for using reasoning similar to this on Kush? | ||
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On July 23 2016 05:28 sicklucker wrote: not really. plus I told the thread he was blue because im sly like that. palmar gets nked n1 for no reason all the time. its probably half the reason he just trolls and does not play anymore lol... Then people are giving a bit too much respect for Palmar's play. He's a good player, but he wasn't doing anything this game. | ||
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On July 22 2016 20:18 sicklucker wrote: also only rels and maybe koshi would make that nk honestly. me too but im not going to say that duh. So hum. rels is probably mafia too On July 23 2016 05:14 sicklucker wrote: i agree I said the same thing koshi but said you or rels and then I said probably. its probably rels.... On July 23 2016 05:24 sicklucker wrote: neither of you are getting lynched today fyi relax. its probably rels I was hoping to find some justification for your vote and I found nothing. Bad. Bad. Very bad. This is the 2nd time you've just hopped on to the wagon of choice while doing absolutely nothing. Care to explain yourself? Or should I just go with my own explanation? | ||
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On July 23 2016 05:39 Rels wrote: This is a very townie post. Read it and try to see why. This post overflows with prp's will to solve the game. And of course, scum's role is to fake solving the game. It's hard though. Here prp's mindset is: "fucking kruppe claimed a role. fucking kruppe don't say a damn clear thing. I'm gonna make him spit out his claim or I will die trying". It's beautiful to read. It's townie. Prp is likely town. I had the same note. I don't like to make reads based off of anger and the like since I think it's bad for the game, but they often are quite accurate. | ||
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On July 23 2016 05:43 sicklucker wrote: also apparently grack jumped off the kush wagon once he had enough votes to seal the deal. interesting That's bullshit. I went off the Kush wagon when there was nobody else on the Kush wagon. I went back to the lynch when I saw the opportunity arise for me to get my lynch of choice. | ||
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EmperorChampion, Prplhz, and Kruppe the Eel are almost certain town. Rels and Lunatic seem quite likely to be town. And Lunatic is a whole can of worms which I am really not interested in opening. Tumble is tunnel tunnel tunnel all game long. Now we're getting tunnel by association with another tunnel. Skynx has done things I do not like. He might be a good lynch today. His filter is quite good considering he's a newer player though. Koshi is still in the running for sneaky scum. He's a pretty good player. DCwasabi hasn't done too much this game. That starts to be damning the further into the game we get. Sicklucker reads like scum to me and is a great lynch. His filter is devoid of anything of use, and now he's pushing votes based off Wifom. Apparently by his logic leading a mislynch is scummy but opportunistically following me on that mislynch does not matter because Kush would be the lynch anyway. Lynch with fire. | ||
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On July 23 2016 14:48 Tumblewood wrote: why do you want to lynch sl (oh all people) now (of all times) Because he's full of shit. First he wanted to lynch me because I was pushing Kushm4sta. Then he jumped on the Kushm4sta wagon because he thought it was strange that Kushm4sta voted him. End of day 1. Day 2 he says that I'm scummy for leading the Kush wagon while excusing himself from all responsibility because "he would have been lynched anyway", which is a lie since Sicklucker is not an oracle and could not have known who was getting lynched that day until the day was over. Now day 2 comes so he's right back to pushing me because I "would have killed Palmar." Where does he even come up with that? As he has said earlier this game, I played one game with him before and I was town and got nked day 1. So why does he believe I would have killed Palmar? Where is he gleaning this information from? It's certainly not from past experience. If I was scum I wouldn't have killed Palmar because Palmar was being suspicious and wasn't even suspecting me to begin with. And then there's the fact that this thread is filled with information, which he hasn't used at all. All of the suspicions he has posted are based entirely off this NK, which is pretty much wifom. Some people think it was Rels/Koshi/SL who killed Palmar. I think it could be you or a newbie who is giving too much respect for the power of Palmar's play. Either way Sl has contributed nothing of use besides sheeping me and then accusing me out of thin air of wanting to kill Palmar. | ||
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On July 21 2016 12:13 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: Actually I rethought this and I'm not confident about those two even. So I'm just going to vote for SL. CASE AGAINST SL SL has never been mislynched. So lynching him is a win-win situation for us. Either he's scum, or he's town and we shit all over his streak. ##vote SL So first SL thinks I'm scum for my push on Kush. Then he sees this post and decides that Kush is the right lynch after all. really? | ||
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On July 23 2016 14:54 Tumblewood wrote: is it scummy to justify your reads for totally different reasons than why you created them? I believe so, yes. | ||
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On July 23 2016 14:58 Tumblewood wrote: + Show Spoiler + bet you weren't expecting this because rels is now scum because he twists filters/summarizes paragraphs-long posts as "useless" or "wrong" or "bad bad bad". check his scum cases in normal game for jat or like some other game he was scum in. looked through his filter for the first time which apparently helps you notice things you didn't before I don't understand what you're saying here. | ||
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On July 23 2016 15:34 Tumblewood wrote: like, just this game rels has a post where he takes a bunch of quotes from dcwasabi and gives them short tags (ranging from a sentence long to just the word "useless") that twist the meaning, context, and intent of the posts to fit his claims. I don't honestly think rels sees the post that he quoted and thinks, solely, "useless". this is a thing he does as scum and no one does as town. + Show Spoiler + except me, occasionally? It seems like a normal case to me. He's not just calling the posts useless for shits and giggles. Rels is giving examples to demonstrate his point from the top of his case. "DC have a fair chance being scum. His filter have almost no content BUT all of his big posts are made to feel like they actually have content. A recurring theme these these big posts is "INACTIVE IS DIFFERENT FROM SCUMMY". Look, it comes back very often:" | ||
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On July 23 2016 15:47 Lunaticman wrote: good morning, everyone. Why is it that every player keeps throwing shade at different players all the time. I think we should focus on just a couple of players and come up with decent arguments for them. All that is happening right now is just confusing which suits the mafia well. I must say they are playing pretty well until we flip one of them. I still believe Koshi, Kruppie or Tumble is a mafia. I am almost certain Koshi/Tumble is a 50/50 mafia flip. come one town! Kruppe has claimed Jailkeeper. Without a counter claim he is off the table for a lynch. | ||
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On July 23 2016 16:52 sicklucker wrote: this is a god awful post. you would kill palmar because hes palmar and unlike the other 10 newbs in this game you know hes palmar Couldn't sleep. As scum I make my kills based off the play in the game. There's absolutely no player I'm too afraid of to leave alive if their play is suspicious. Not Palmar. Not Marv. Not Rayn. And I like Palmar too. I've heard from a reliable source that he is soft and fluffy and fun. | ||
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On July 23 2016 16:54 sicklucker wrote: he made that post after I voted you for voting him. Really really? do you not see how kush should think im town and not mafia from his pov. really? So what? When I made my post suspecting him he moved me OFF of his scum list. Why would he think you're town for voting me? | ||
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On July 23 2016 16:56 sicklucker wrote: Grak is making little logical sense and is ignoring my logic and picking my words apart . would lynch Grack is making logical sense and picking Sicklucker's words apart. Would lynch. | ||
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On July 23 2016 17:18 Lunaticman wrote: I think I might have figured out the mafia strategy, they are using the massive amount of posts to sow confusion. I think the players that have switched the town from focused trains and sown confusion are highly likely to be mafia. I think the town in general is having to hard of a time to decide on a lynch which means the mafia is trying to obfuscate good targets and raise suspicion on relative clean townies. They tried to do it on me but failed so now they are using me as a wagon for their intent. I think there are two players that come to mind if you look at this pattern: Koshi and Tumble. I ask the town to focus their attention on these two players and see if they can find any inconsistencies in their statements that are worthy of a lynch. I still think it is possible Kruppe is a scum too. Quite frankly, it's your job to focus your attention on your scum reads, look for inconsistencies and then push your case for them being scum based off what you find. Please go ahead and do so, I will definitely consider what you have to say. | ||
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On July 23 2016 23:39 Koshi wrote: Maybe I should bench Lunatic. Nobody has a real grip on this game yet it seems and it might be because off him? Probably not though. Sicklucker, could you please please please hurry up a bit and try to solve it a bit further than Grack alone. I haven't read your filter too in depth but it seems like you are refusing to see & explore the bigger picture this game. You aren't reading any of this are you? | ||
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On July 23 2016 15:04 Grackaroni wrote: Because he's full of shit. First he wanted to lynch me because I was pushing Kushm4sta. Then he jumped on the Kushm4sta wagon because he thought it was strange that Kushm4sta voted him. End of day 1. Day 2 he says that I'm scummy for leading the Kush wagon while excusing himself from all responsibility because "he would have been lynched anyway", which is a lie since Sicklucker is not an oracle and could not have known who was getting lynched that day until the day was over. Now day 2 comes so he's right back to pushing me because I "would have killed Palmar." Where does he even come up with that? As he has said earlier this game, I played one game with him before and I was town and got nked day 1. So why does he believe I would have killed Palmar? Where is he gleaning this information from? It's certainly not from past experience. If I was scum I wouldn't have killed Palmar because Palmar was being suspicious and wasn't even suspecting me to begin with. And then there's the fact that this thread is filled with information, which he hasn't used at all. All of the suspicions he has posted are based entirely off this NK, which is pretty much wifom. Some people think it was Rels/Koshi/SL who killed Palmar. I think it could be you or a newbie who is giving too much respect for the power of Palmar's play. Either way Sl has contributed nothing of use besides sheeping me and then accusing me out of thin air of wanting to kill Palmar. Well I've explained myself as clearly as I could have here and my post was uniformly ignored. I don't see how you can possibly think SL is coming out with better arguments when he's just using wifom. | ||
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On July 24 2016 00:29 Koshi wrote: You are right. I thought his filter was better. My mistake. We can go to sl. But it would be very annoying if he flips town. We may want to just stick with the Tumble lynch at this point. But why were you saying you liked SL's arguments. This is basically all he has said. | ||
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On July 23 2016 15:02 Tumblewood wrote: I think grack is probably town (contingent on rels being scum, on the same way me having lunch tomorrow is contingent on the earth not exploding) because he and rels have a weird amount of interactions for two scum partners, because if they were both scum they would more likely just ignore each other. On July 24 2016 00:20 Tumblewood wrote: scum team is within (in order if likelihood) rels/koshi/sl rels/koshi/grack ... dcw/grack/koshi dcw/grsck/sl suggested (demanded) lynch order is rels, Koshi, sl, grack, dcw Wasn't I not a part of the Rels scumteam? Did anything change? | ||
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On July 24 2016 00:49 Koshi wrote: Why? give reasons for the statements you make. Why is tumble 'trying too hard". Show us. Wow. He spent all day today asking us to post suspicions on Tumble/Koshi. This is quite the time for a change of heart. | ||
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The wagon is made up of some of the towniest people in the game. No SL. No DCW. No Skynx. | ||
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SL/DCwasabi both come out in defense of Tumble and now SL is trying to recuscitate the Rels lynch back from the graveyard in the last second. | ||
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On July 24 2016 05:35 sicklucker wrote: grack might acualy be the town of the group. that was pretty tinfoily to come from a mafia Did you read what Prplhz posted on DCW? | ||
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On July 24 2016 05:45 sicklucker wrote: and the fact its hard means mafia is winning or they would just follow me to a mislynch And the tumble lynch isn't proving difficult right now? You, DCW, Lunatic, I think maybe even skynx, all had the chance to hammer and now he'll live until tomorrow. | ||
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On July 24 2016 05:54 sicklucker wrote: Ya im sure were hard aligning grack to get 1 mislynch. that makes so much sense on day 2 grack. you got us It's out of desperation. You really think that you and DCW would be able to go on and win the game if Tumble gets lynched? Even if you contribute the final vote, not a chance. | ||
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On July 24 2016 05:55 DCWasabi wrote: Who should we Lynch instead then? It's not me. Tumble. | ||
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On July 24 2016 05:57 sicklucker wrote: if I hammered tumbleweed you bet your ass I would win Sounds like the perfect strategy then. I'm taking this to mean that you would liberally bus people in your scum games. Someone in here should be able to confirm whether this is true. | ||
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On July 24 2016 05:59 Grackaroni wrote: Sounds like the perfect strategy then. I'm taking this to mean that you would liberally bus people in your scum games. Someone in here should be able to confirm whether this is true. And if this is not true we know that you are lying in this game. | ||
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On July 24 2016 06:01 sicklucker wrote: and not to be mean to tumble but I dont really think hes a partner worth saving especially at the cost of my own game hes costs me games recently. Is any of this hitting your noggin gracks? I see your POV. But I still think that the people voting Tumble are the townie players. | ||
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On July 24 2016 06:01 sicklucker wrote: its called adjusting hes doing the right thing His reads change constantly and are never justified with reasoning. I still think he's town but come on. | ||
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On July 24 2016 06:03 sicklucker wrote: Well I think the people not voting tumble are the townie players so were at an impasse What's wrong with the scum team Koshi proposed? Even without you in it it could still be tumble/dcw/skynx. Why wasn't tumble hammered if he's town? It makes no sense. | ||
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On July 24 2016 06:12 Kruppe the Eel wrote: Kruppe believes in SL's heart and thoughts, but Kruppe believes other conclusions can be drawn. If tumble is mafia a mafia likely joined the wagon at around 3rd or 4th vote. So >1 mafia on tumble. Kruppe does not believe it is unreasonable to think there's a mafia between Skynx and DCWasabi. Tumble would never vote for himself. Let's consolidate on DCW. | ||
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On July 24 2016 06:13 sicklucker wrote: grac what troubles me is your side of the game is doing nothing here. but im really happy that the game is divided into two camps that should mean the mafia will be easy to pick off Who is my side of the game? Rels/Koshi/EC/Prplhz? | ||
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On July 24 2016 06:21 sicklucker wrote: well I tried. prplhz dont do it bro I don't see what the big deal is. If I'm wrong you can probably have your way with me or Rels or whoever you'd like from the list. | ||
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On July 24 2016 06:25 Lunaticman wrote: fuck me, I think Koshi is so suspicious right now, he could be the godfather. Switching votes thinking he did the hammer to push through 2 kills for mafia. He was just waiting for a confirmed townie like kruppe to give him the go ahead. Damn Koshi securing the 2nd lynch today. | ||
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On July 24 2016 06:29 Skynx wrote: Never lynch Tumble at this point. Flips red will give us no idea. Flips green give us no idea. And how exactly does a lunatic lynch give us more information? | ||
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On July 24 2016 22:15 Koshi wrote: ah and I think Grack had the same list as Kruppe and I? The main 3 suspects that is. And Rels has been gunning for DCW since D1. Yeah for the most part. I think Kruppe town read SL and I still think he's mafia. | ||
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On July 22 2016 03:53 Palmar wrote: yes, I don't remember a single post by him so he should be added to the list of 5. Like can we all sort of agree on that list? Skynx Kush Krupp Tumble Rels We're lynching in here, right? This Palmar kill is starting to look really strange to me right now when considering his list. He was one of the few to call out Tumble but is that really worthy of a kill based on Tumble alone? He didn't seem to be scum reading DCW either. | ||
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On July 24 2016 23:17 prplhz wrote: he quoted himself saying "DCWasabi is going under the radar" that's the opposite of clearing DCWasabi, that's saying he's worthy of more scrutiny Oh ok. Then it still could be a SL/DCW/TW kill. | ||
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On July 25 2016 00:56 Koshi wrote: Is there any reason sl and skynx are not mafia together? I can see dcw be town. But then those 2 need to be mafia. Mafia had the chance to move the lynch from TW to DCW yesterday and nobody voted DCW that didn't also vote for TW. | ||
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On July 25 2016 01:04 Koshi wrote: They did. But then they would have shown serious face when DCW flipped town. And they never really had the votes to hit the iml. I think mafia tried to make town switch to dcw but stay in the dark themselves. And if DCW is mafia. It is only TW and 1 more hidden mafia that was pushing town. It certainly didn't seem like they were trying to stay in the dark when they made their switch on to me. Why would they do so with DCW? Panic votes? | ||
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On July 25 2016 01:02 Koshi wrote: Let us imagine that DCW is town. Everything he did was actually completely "logical". He was just 100% wrong on everything. Look at that list the guy hard townreads: Skynx, Sicklucker, Tumble.... and then hard scumreads: Grack, Rels And at the end of the day decided to vote Koshi who he townread in that list. There is no surprise that he mafia sided like hell during D2. But is he is mafia? Wouldn't he vote better to save mafia? Like... It could be a town being 5000% wrong. Is he mafia and so horrible wrong? Mafia with TMI most of the times tries to make friends with town, tries to at least sound a bit like they are on the correct path. This guy? Not so much. I think we need to look at skynx and siclucker more. Actually I understand exactly what you're saying now. DCW was townreading EVERY SINGLE PERSON that could possibly be mafia at this point. Mafia almost never does that ever. You always leave at least some suspicions on a teammate. | ||
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On July 25 2016 01:26 Lunaticman wrote: I also think it is kinda funny that Grack and Koshi are always posting at the same time ![]() I'm just watching Totalbiscuit's tournament right now, so I'll post whenever I see anything interesting come up. | ||
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On July 25 2016 01:52 DCWasabi wrote: GRACK is the scummiest fucking scum ever born, and I'm going to show you why... Grack is saying that Prplz probably got a red check on me, but that is fucking impossible and he knows it. First of all those posts: Well, Prpl thought that KRUPPE was claiming cop earlier and went on a huge rage-fest about Kruppe being useless and how the real cop should fucking CC if there was one out there because otherwise Kruppe is confirmed town. Well Prpl is not going to fucking do that if he is the cop, it doesn't make any sense. He was very suspicious of Kruppe and if he was the cop then he would have CC'd... so much time passed and he didn't CC and then Kruppe ended up being the Jailkeeper, fine whatever, Kruppe was useful later. Now GRACK was well aware of this cop business and there is no way that he forgot about it, so why does he think Prp is a cop now? **There is a more evidence for this in thread, go look, I'm just putting 1 quote** Furthermore, he is obsessed with the Palmar kill. And he appears to have bussed Tumblewood. But then, he slips up because he is fucking patting himself on the back for his Palmar kill, that HE MADE. ##vote Grack He ain't no cop IRL or ingame, cuz I'm green as grass Mofos. I think part of Tumbles strategy was supporting me by the way, so if he went down there would be suspicion on me and also he may have known from my last 2 games that I am suspicious of people who are suspicious of me (probably unfairly) and tend to be friendly to those who support me. I need to learn better... Why the fuck should I not think Prplhz is cop? On July 24 2016 19:04 prplhz wrote: DCWasabi What does this post look like from the start of the day? Yeah that's right. A fucking Cop check. I still think Palmar was a complete shit-tier kill unless he had absolutely spectacular reads. But watching the clusterfuck last night left me longing for some Palmar in the thread. | ||
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On July 25 2016 02:32 Lunaticman wrote: The likely constilation is probably; Koshi/Grack SL/DC If any of them flipped it I think we got it. I'm just going to go with the Kruppe read and vote DC unless we get a cop claim. Why didn't you go with Kruppe's read yesterday? You said you wanted to hold off voting until Kruppe weighed in on the vote. | ||
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On July 24 2016 00:48 Lunaticman wrote: Been looking at the vote thread for a while. If tumble/koshi is town. There could be a skynx/sl mafia instead. Sl is on every Train. Tbh I think koshi and tumble are trying to hard to be magia atm. God this is confusing. On July 24 2016 00:50 Lunaticman wrote: Also where is haze and skynx?!?!? On July 24 2016 00:54 Lunaticman wrote: Well isnt it strange we are almost auto lynching tumble? On July 24 2016 01:08 Lunaticman wrote: Well if tumble was town, it would have been easy for the mafia to auto lynch him among the remaining votes. So that intself speaks a lot for tumble. These are all the posts made while Tumble has moved up to 5 votes and is on the verge of being lynched. Why didn't you reveal your trap at this point if your plan for the day was to try to get mafia to form wagons on TW/Koshi? You should have said at this point "THIS WAS A TRAP. DON"T VOTE TUMBLE, the people voting Tumble are mafia looking for an easy lynch, let's lynch someone from his voter pool" On July 24 2016 01:20 Lunaticman wrote: I was actually trying to meta because to me it feels like that the mafia has been using my filter as their basis for manipulating the town. What I wanted to do with pushing Tumble and Koshi so hard was to see if a wagon would form fast and easily. This would be a big indicator for that as I mentioned. The mafia has just been sowing seeds of distrust and waiting for a train to start on a townie before stopping the manipulation. It is a basic mafia strategy in my opinion. I think we need to switch from tumble. If anyone thinks I am wrong in this assumption please enlighten me. SL is a good target, why didnt he join the train while he had the oppertunity? maybe he just missed that it was forming. But he is suspicious. brb Ok so he finally does so at this point. So if Lunatic was lying about the trap to avoid lynching Tumble he was thinking pretty quickly on his feet. But now he's saying that SL is suspicious for NOT jumping on the TW wagon. That's the opposite conclusion that should have come from this trap. I think Lunatic already knew that TW was mafia and that's why he called SL suspicious. | ||
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On July 24 2016 01:47 Lunaticman wrote: And where is Kruppe, since he is the only blue role we have he should at least say what he thinks before we lynch someone. On July 24 2016 03:17 Lunaticman wrote: I'm not a dictator, I mean this should more like a direct democracy, I'm kinda waiting for kruppe. On July 24 2016 05:31 Lunaticman wrote: Tbh, I would have liked kruppe the maniac to go online before I vote. but I guess it is rels then. god damn it. | ||
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On July 25 2016 03:47 Lunaticman wrote: Haha it made perfect sense but it is nice to see you finally had the courage to try and get rid of me. Tbh your arguments are inflated and doesn't make sense. I explained quite adequately, there are two possible scenarios at play depending on what tumble flipped. SL and I only looked suspicious depending on the tumble flip. EC gave himself a good 100% townread by his action Are you butthurt because you almost got lynched? I'm fine with getting lynched but then you have to do this when I flip green: Koshi/Grac (ps: I like how koshi stopped posting at the same time as grac even though he said they were going to watch the show together when I called them on it, feels super scummy) and/or SL/DC one should reveal the other. scummy behaviour: EC because of the voting This doesn't address anything I wrote. No I'm never butthurt. Except for the times when I'm butthurt. But actually not this time. | ||
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On July 25 2016 04:30 Lunaticman wrote: I swear to god koshi/grac if you lynch me and I flip green, the town is going to go ham on you. It would suck if you both are green. Well then explain your actions from my post. You spent the start of day 2 trying to start wagons on TW/Koshi and trying to trick mafia into CCing Kruppe, right? Why didn't you reveal your trap as soon as TW hit 5 votes and was in danger of being lynched? And why did you think SL was suspicious for choosing not to vote TW and say that SL was a good counter wagon? | ||
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On July 25 2016 07:23 sicklucker wrote: no shit sherlock. if i were mafia I would probably give up. but if I didnt I would certainly bus! its a win win I think this is actually a super valid point. A lot of the likely scum teams should have conceded by now. Someone is try-harding. | ||
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On July 25 2016 08:12 prplhz wrote: i mean Grackaroni seems to believe that sicklucker would have quit by now if he was mafia I actually have no idea what SL would do as mafia. I don't think I've ever seen his mafia play. But we're pretty much just lynching down a list right now no matter what. | ||
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On July 25 2016 09:40 DCWasabi wrote: So hey, prplz? You ain't the cop, for reasons that I already outlined. Grack supposedly thought this was a cop claim??? Did anybody else feel that way? Don't answer this. I was being stupid to bring this up in the first place. And what rasons how could prplz be the cop if youre town anyways. | ||
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On July 25 2016 09:55 DCWasabi wrote: What specifically? I'm sheeping Koshi for now. ##unvote ##vote sicklucker It's gotta be somewhere near the end of my filter. You'll recognize it. | ||
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On July 23 2016 15:04 Grackaroni wrote: Because he's full of shit. First he wanted to lynch me because I was pushing Kushm4sta. Then he jumped on the Kushm4sta wagon because he thought it was strange that Kushm4sta voted him. End of day 1. Day 2 he says that I'm scummy for leading the Kush wagon while excusing himself from all responsibility because "he would have been lynched anyway", which is a lie since Sicklucker is not an oracle and could not have known who was getting lynched that day until the day was over. Now day 2 comes so he's right back to pushing me because I "would have killed Palmar." Where does he even come up with that? As he has said earlier this game, I played one game with him before and I was town and got nked day 1. So why does he believe I would have killed Palmar? Where is he gleaning this information from? It's certainly not from past experience. If I was scum I wouldn't have killed Palmar because Palmar was being suspicious and wasn't even suspecting me to begin with. And then there's the fact that this thread is filled with information, which he hasn't used at all. All of the suspicions he has posted are based entirely off this NK, which is pretty much wifom. Some people think it was Rels/Koshi/SL who killed Palmar. I think it could be you or a newbie who is giving too much respect for the power of Palmar's play. Either way Sl has contributed nothing of use besides sheeping me and then accusing me out of thin air of wanting to kill Palmar. On July 24 2016 05:59 Grackaroni wrote: Sounds like the perfect strategy then. I'm taking this to mean that you would liberally bus people in your scum games. Someone in here should be able to confirm whether this is true. | ||
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On July 24 2016 06:22 sicklucker wrote: its so stupid to kill tumble now tho... WE HAVE VOTE LOGIC FOR HIM. we can figure out his alignment later. VOTE FOR WHO YOU THINK HIS PARTNER IS On July 24 2016 06:25 sicklucker wrote: like killing tumble is so stuuupid. killwho you think is his partner guys holy fuck. tumble;s alignment can be proven through the votes after a flip or 2 On July 24 2016 06:30 sicklucker wrote: I dont know I might have to compromise and lynch dc at this point... this sucks dont think hes mafia | ||
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On April 28 2016 01:16 sicklucker wrote: so we have acual evidence in a very very recent game where super LITERRALY ASKED ME TO BUS HIM. but I refused. Yet for me to be scum here I would have had to run such a crazy epic bus on super AND ONEGU. like its acualy so improbable and you can not denie my logic here This is essentially a confirmation that SL has lied this game. He said that if he was mafia he would just bus his teammates and win the game easily. When faced with a similar situation in a different game he did the opposite because he knew he would never win in the way that he described he could win as scum this game. | ||
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On July 25 2016 21:21 Koshi wrote: You can lynch sl, he can be red, easily, but my list is prplhz lunatic dcw sl skynx top is most mafia and if either dcw or sl flips mafia in the future the other one needs to be autolynch. Why are you mafia reading DCW now? | ||
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On July 23 2016 06:42 prplhz wrote: this game would be so much easier if it was Tumblewood & DCWasabi & Grackaroni or something like that Here is where he was at before the train. It looks like he's only voting for Tumble out of that list because that's where the votes are. Later on he came up with solid reasoning to actually favor a DCW lynch over Tumble lynch. I don't think his change was suspicious. | ||
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On July 25 2016 04:44 Lunaticman wrote: Well timing has a factor and there wasn't a whole lot of time to write down the idea and have people change their votes. I was very specific when we were getting close to say that there should be no hammer. I was also waiting for kruppe to make an apperance but when he did there was almost no time left. Thats when I cosigned and wrote the dice has been cast because I felt like the situation had gone out of my control. Even though tumble did convince me there was of course still a chance that he was a mafia. There was only one way to be certain. Kruppe has specifically said me and SL are town, and we were completly in sync during that entire process. Of course nothing is certain, but to lynch me is a mistake and you know this in your heart of hearts. On July 25 2016 05:12 Lunaticman wrote: Both SL and I are actually town if you read my argument above. Yeah. I'm pretty sure these two are working in tandem. Luna's play so far today has just been trying to get town to "FOLLOW KRUPPE HE'S BLUE" yet he didn't vote with Kruppe yesterday when Kruppe wanted to lynch Tumblewood. | ||
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On July 26 2016 01:43 Lunaticman wrote: Let's see if I can think like Tumble. He strikes me like a cautious player, building an early rep by posting in the beginning and then making sure to contribute enough not to get noticed. I think a player like that would spread the risk rather than try to run the town, a classic case of silent mafia. I also think they chose this strategy when they noticed a lot of the players were very vocal (see Skynx/lunaticman/Koshi). I honestly think most of the people talking are TvT when looking at day one. I think tumble made sure never to put his vote on the same ticket as his teammates during day one and two unless otherwise directed and to try and spread suspicion on as many players as possible while making tumble look analytical. Of course I have no read on his meta at all but this is what it felt like. By this reasoning I think there are a couple of names that stick out: The mafia were unlucky that I started a lynch train on Kosi/Tumble that quickly gained traction (other players too). So they had to take some drastic measures: They put DC on Rels to break up the obvious train and quick lynch together with Tumble. When Tumble started gaining traction, DC tried to save him by moving the train too Rels with Tumble (see 62# vote thread) When they noticed that Tumble and Rels had 3/3 they removed DC:s vote. Too Koshi to spread more distrust. Right as the train went to 5, EC removed his vote on Tumble to avoid the auto lynch and DC never once moved his vote at this stage from "random" position (SL was also suspicious from my analysis in this part). At this stage I gave tumble a life line in Grac when he was at 4 votes again. Here SL looks super scummy too but he also believed in Tumbles defense (remember there were 2 big camps going on). At the final count, I think EC made a critical error in the group chat and went for the town cred by command of tumble. In my opinion either EC or SL is scum those two should both be killed. The last mafia can be anyone but my guess is DC because of the no vote (or he was simply afk but I dunno that doesn't make sense. I think they were following the orders of Tumble not to buss/train). Either DC/SL or EC should be mafia for sure. That would make the mafia team look like this: EC/SL/Tumble EC/DC/Tumble DC/SL/Tumble Out of these configurations I believe that EC and SL are the most probable. Resons for bussing your own team mate: This way at least one of them (EC) would gain immense town cred if successfully lynched. Because I think Tumble reasoned that he was going to die next round anyway. Out of those three names SL was defiantly the one with me to push for the grac lynch hardest so he feels like the best lynch with EC. Kruppe however did mention he townread SL and if he is mafia he is sure fooling me. There is only one thing about grac and koshi that is worrying me and they always vote the same. It's just a very wierd thing. If either of them flips the other should definatly die too. If I am completly wrong I apologize to town. Just so you don't tunnel to much I believe Koshi/Grac are to tight and haze/skynx has been really low activity. Man have a cookie for reading that. I just want to say that this is my favorite post from you because its the first time that I've been able to clearly follow your reasoning and get a glimpse of what your mindset is for what you think is going on in the game. The difference between this post and a lot of your other posts is that you are actually specifying the actions that are determining your reads. i.e. "I think DC is mafia because he tried to move the lynch on to Rels to save Tumblewood" "I Think EC is mafia because he unvoted to try to save Tumblewood and then came back at the end in an attempt to look townie." In the past your suspicions have lacked specifics, such as "I think Koshi and Tumblewood are trying to create confusion and sow suspicion." I can't do anything with a post like that unless you make it clear what posts are making you think this is the case. I don't what you were doing differently for this post, but if you keep making your suspicions specific I would be greatly pleased. | ||
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On July 25 2016 23:00 Koshi wrote: If 2 people play exactly the same over a long period and not in the endgame it is almost always that they are both town. Never are they both mafia. Sometimes it is a mafia riding in the ass of the townie. But that can be deducted. Anyway. Can you do the % thing? Like this ↓ 1) Prplhz 75% 2) DCWasabi 75% 3) Skynx 50% 4) Lunaticman 60% 5) emperorchampion 0% 6) Rels 25% 7) sicklucker 60% 8) Gracaroni 0% 12) Koshi Maybe you are not mafia. ##unvote ##vote Prplhz Here's where I'm at right now. 1) Prplhz 10% 2) DCWasabi 30% 3) Skynx 20% 4) Lunaticman 40% 5) emperorchampion 15% 6) Rels 0% 7) sicklucker 85% 8) Gracaroni 0% 12) Koshi 0% I believe I have followed the correct percent procedure! It's actually kind of weird I ended up having to lower my percentages quite a bit just to get to 200% Switching back to SL now that Koshi has come around. If SL does not flip mafia then DCW moves up ahead of Lunatic on the percentages. | ||
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On July 26 2016 03:50 Skynx wrote: Bah I can't do this all filters are way too long xcept DCW. I convinced myself emperor and SL are very unlikely mafia for a variety of reasons. More than anything tho, there is no way I'm lynching them over DCW. Luna nearly everyone is agreeing on, I dunno why we don't lynch him. I'm not lynching prplhz. 1st DCW, 2nd Luna. What is your reasoning for SL being unlikely mafia? | ||
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Day 1: I moved the lynch from Kruppe to Kush. A bunch of townies followed me on to Kush (Koshi, Palmar, SL.) Rels was pushing for a DCW lynch instead. Lunatic and EC followed him onto DCW. DCW voted Kush because that was the alternative to himself. Prplhz voted Kush. Tumble left his vote on Rels instead of moving on Kush or DCW. I don't think Kush was an absolute lock on day 1 and Rels can be pretty convincing, so there was some risk of DCW being lynched on day 1. I doubt that anyone expressed a strong enough town read on Kush that they would have to struggle to justify voting for Kush in a pinch, and they wouldn't stand out for being on the Kush lynch. Thus if mafia DCW was up for lynch day 1, I don't think his teammate is likely to be Lunatic or EC. Day 2: I think we all remember what happened here. Lynch starts out between Tumblewood and Rels. Rels doesn't look like it's going to get a lot of traction. SL comes into the thread and is the biggest defender of TW. Prplhz makes a case on DCW. DCW doesn't gain traction, and a last second wagon forms on me from TW/SL/Skynx/Lunatic. DCW leaves his vote on Koshi. EC and Prplhz both move off of TW and come back on to save me at the end of the day. Rels vote was on TW all day since he wasn't here. Day 3: DCW/Koshi/Rels/me/Prplhz kill SL. Emperorchampion also expresses interest in lynching SL. Skynx comes out quite townie here at the end of day 3 trying to defend town!SL while me/Koshi/Rels are already on the wagon. I think mafia would probably just keep their mouth shut and hope that SL gets lynched. Koshi probably voted half the players in the game yesterday so there must have been some fear that SL would save himself at the last minute and the lynch would move on to one of them. On July 26 2016 04:08 Skynx wrote: Without quoting, Tone of your reads sound forced to me. They are too based on others opinions, your reasonings behind them, if there are any, are very very surjective. Like "if this is true, then this this and this", you're analytical in your own way but I feel like its not trying to solve the game in any way. You sheep me too much, you sheep Koshi too much. In essence I don't think you have your own opinions on anyone. This is a very safe way of playing scum. SL on the other hand feels quite the opposite. He hasn't posted nearly as much and not all of them are constructive posts but the way he posts is all genuine. He always states his opinions, right or wrong. He has mostly been wrong this game thats why he's getting scumread imo. I think I would have been in exact same position had I not been so agressive. I just think he's town this way. Lunatic also kind of agreed about SL but he switches his reads every post. | ||
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On July 26 2016 21:50 emperorchampion wrote: I mean I don't know how much more clear it could be, if town never hammers, then if anyone hammers we just assume they are mafia. Town never has reason to hammer. Hammering doesn't make Prplhz mafia. Townies do all sorts of things that aren't ideal for town. | ||
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On July 27 2016 00:25 prplhz wrote: town needs: 1) flips 2) less dumb posts convince me not to hammer myself You could start on #2 with dropping this whole lynching yourself business if you're town. | ||
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On July 25 2016 23:00 Koshi wrote: If 2 people play exactly the same over a long period and not in the endgame it is almost always that they are both town. Never are they both mafia. Sometimes it is a mafia riding in the ass of the townie. But that can be deducted. Anyway. Can you do the % thing? Like this ↓ 1) Prplhz 75% 2) DCWasabi 75% 3) Skynx 50% 4) Lunaticman 60% 5) emperorchampion 0% 6) Rels 25% 7) sicklucker 60% 8) Gracaroni 0% 12) Koshi Maybe you are not mafia. ##unvote ##vote Prplhz This might have been the breadcrumb. I think he was the only one who was absolutely certain EC couldn't be mafia, at the very least. | ||
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On July 27 2016 02:25 prplhz wrote: amazing how you didn't address anything i said You're right. I don't think Koshi had a cop check on EC; he was just really confident in his read. If he had a green check on EC then he wouldn't have wrote in that he's not 100% sure after the GF was already lynched. On July 25 2016 00:53 Koshi wrote: I don't think there is a snowball chance in hell EC is mafia. I have read his filter AGAIN. I am not 100% sure ofc but seriously.. These guys, should repeated after me: "EC is not mafia" Especially it is beyond me that a vet like sicklucker doesn't see it. Sicklucker, I would very kindly ask that you read EC his filter and give a definitive read on him. Because I know on of you 3 or maybe all 3 are trying to get him lynched and I don't understand why. | ||
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On July 27 2016 02:07 Rels wrote: I'm caught up. prp I'm pretty convinced you're scum. You have some time to convince me otherwise (unless another terrible dude hammer again today). Not gonna vote you until I reread your filter but this is what I have in mind. I think you are scum because:
This case isn't nearly as convincing to me as your SL case yesterday. Points 1/4 are mostly just wifom. Prplhz's vote seems scummy in retrospect, but I think his story actually adds up. On July 23 2016 02:01 prplhz wrote: Kruppe the Eel is just jail keeper for now. Koshi did a lot of work yesterday, both making cases and trying to steer town in the right direction. I already said that it would be weird of him to antagonize a town Palmar if he was just going to kill him anyway. I also think he's a good night kill so lynching him on d2 seems silly. Lets lynch him in LYLO or something, okay? Skynx is going (or trying to go) 1v1 against a confirmed unlynchable townie. I assume scum isn't in a desperate nigh unwinnable situation after the mislynch so I don't think this is a hail mary scum strategy. I'm fairly town? Lunaticman is a lunatic but probably also town. Palmar, nnn_thekushmountains, both pretty green according to Race Bannon's cases. I'm going to go ahead and call sicklucker town too for now. We had the same thoughts about Kruppe the Eel's claim. I'm sure he's gonna come in here and say "I would do this as scum too" and "You would shoot as vigilante too" because that's very sickluckerish, but whatever. That leaves: Rels, Tumblewood, Grackaroni, emperorchampion, DCWasabi. So I'm just going to read into those people at some point. On July 23 2016 06:42 prplhz wrote: this game would be so much easier if it was Tumblewood & DCWasabi & Grackaroni or something like that On July 24 2016 06:50 prplhz wrote: i think tumble is a 5 and grack is at 4 It's not too odd that he made a switch when he wasn't strongly favoring TW over DCW to begin with. And there's nothing prplhz said that would have prevented him from making a switch on to me if he really wanted to save TW. Prplhz would look bad if Tumblewood eventually got lynched, but I think he could have made the switch if he was already putting that much effort into saving TW by putting out a case on DCW. Point number two is pretty good. I think mafia would want the day to be over before Koshi changes his vote again when SL is getting lynched. But hammering isn't strange for Prplhz. Look at day 2. On July 24 2016 00:42 prplhz wrote: Tumblewood at 5 votes. 1 more and it's hammer and goodbye and silence. Lunatic's story of trying to lay a trap for the mafia by encouraging wagons on Koshi/TW and then wanting to kill SL for not voting TW seems more suspicious to me. | ||
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On July 27 2016 04:47 emperorchampion wrote: I dunno I think I'm ready guys, hammer and all. I haven't seen anything to convince me that luna/prpl are not scum. Hope I'm not being seriously out played here ![]() You wanna do luna first? Yeah I think Luna is the lynch today. | ||
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On July 27 2016 04:56 prplhz wrote: Palmar said 99.99% on d1. Based on tone. A tone he's consistently kept all the way through this game. He didn't even slow down, he just kept going. I don't know why I say this because Grackaroni knew this already and no one else cares. I think this is in reaction to when Palmar was posting his trollish logic and Lunatic kept agreeing with his points. I don't see how being "fail" indicates that he must have gotten a town role PM as opposed to a scum role PM. Palmar never saw what went down on day 2. | ||
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On July 27 2016 05:49 emperorchampion wrote: we can talk about tea if you want ![]() Ok. What kind of tea do you prefer? | ||
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On July 27 2016 06:42 prplhz wrote: can someone explain this fake breadcrumb thing to me Now some people are saying that you did it to trick us into thinking it was a cop check. | ||
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On July 27 2016 19:39 Lunaticman wrote: I can tell you right now, I would have fought for SL with tooth and nail. i didn't really get a chance. The correct lynch is DC yesterday. Rels and Grac, I want you to specifically tell me if you think there was another mafia on the Grac train day 2. If you think there was Skynx should be lynched otherwise we should assume both me and skynx are town. I mean DC is the only one outside the town lynches day 2. It's just a risk not worth taking. And he only posts when his name is up. His lynches never take of. There must have been another mafia on me. There's no way they wouldn't go on me during the day 2 chaos unless the plan was to bus Tumblewood from the start, and I don't think that's the case. | ||
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On July 28 2016 00:11 emperorchampion wrote: lunatic / dc is possible I suppose, jesus. That's my scum team. | ||
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On July 28 2016 00:13 emperorchampion wrote: dc -> prpl -> luna? or luna -> prpl, or you wanna through skynx in the mix grack? Nah I think Skynx is town. If DC isn't scum then I'm probably wrong today and everybody else's Luna/Haze team is right. | ||
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On July 28 2016 00:17 emperorchampion wrote: Yeah, i had a thought that luna was so obviously trying to avoid pushing prpl that he is trying to set up a mislynch, or he is trying to protect a team mate. In either case it's mafia thinking. But likewise with prpl, I just don't know why he's not considering that lunatic could be mafia, doesn't make any sense for both of them. But now we're back at square one... Either Prplhz is town and he really believes that Luna isn't mafia. Prplhz is scum and is trying to defend Luna. Prplhz is scum and sees people believing the team is him/luna and wants to give them more reason to believe that Luna is scum with him after his flip. Actually out of these 3 I think #2 would be the least likely. | ||
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On July 28 2016 00:24 Lunaticman wrote: I think it's a huge mistake to not kill DC. His posts are far to good and only active when he is under fire. He's really looking like the perfect townie/mafia. What did we learn from killing SL? nothing. What will we learn from killing Haze? Nothing I mean whats the point in even lynching me ffs. Just deiced who you want to kill grac. But to go anywhere but DC should be a mistake. Fuck me if DC died yesterday this solve would be so much easier and also we would have saved an extra day. I have to admit that last lynch from Haze really puts him in the scum department, before that I would never have had considered him. And EC, you still haven't answered my question, or any one for that matter (see the ignore thingy master suppression) on if there were 2 scum on the Grac train. That would help a lot to solve this game. Also you should primarily be working with grac on this, he will probably die during the night. Rels is helping town to much to be scum in my book. EC even though you are a "cleared" townie are playing bad step it up please. The has to be a mafia between Skynx and DC. The question is only which one it is. Also Skynx I don't think you'd even come near to get under my skin I just find you frustrating to talk to. It seems that's much easier for me to get under your skin for some reason. How many games of mafia have you played? I agree, I think DC has to be mafia here. His day 1/day 2 play was scummy, and day 3/ day 4 he only leaves crafted posts copying other people's reasoning on the current lynch target. (Me/Rels on SL day 3. Rels on Prplhz day 4.) It also makes the most sense for why the DCW lynch never caught steam on day 2 even though the entire TW wagon and SL thought it would be a good lynch. | ||
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On July 28 2016 00:46 Lunaticman wrote: your contributions are like turds after having chili for lunch. I'm making this my signature. | ||
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On July 29 2016 00:27 emperorchampion wrote: So many messages in the qt, but I can't see any past the last 5 =/ ah ok it was on reply mode Fixed. | ||
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On July 29 2016 00:23 emperorchampion wrote: hahah so there was 1 mafia in grack and sl ![]() but 2 in rels/tumble that was a great bus guys, can't believe town was so all over the place. We got really lucky that after both me and Rels were voting on TW a bunch of townies came to his defense. If someone had just hammered 4 hours before the end of the day, which was looking pretty likely, we'd be in a worse spot. On July 29 2016 00:25 emperorchampion wrote: I think the game was pretty good, only thing is that the silent nights were kinda annoying since you want to vent or celebrate after kills. Balance was maybe maf favoured, but idk mafia just completely outplayed us (me) lol I think the balance was fine. It was just unfortunate for town that I believe Koshi checked Kruppe night 1 and was RB'd night 2 and was left with no checks to use on day 3. My favorite posts from the game: On July 24 2016 06:12 Kruppe the Eel wrote: Kruppe believes in SL's heart and thoughts, but Kruppe believes other conclusions can be drawn. If tumble is mafia a mafia likely joined the wagon at around 3rd or 4th vote. So >1 mafia on tumble. Kruppe does not believe it is unreasonable to think there's a mafia between Skynx and DCWasabi. Tumble would never vote for himself. On July 27 2016 04:56 prplhz wrote: Palmar said 99.99% on d1. Based on tone. A tone he's consistently kept all the way through this game. He didn't even slow down, he just kept going. I don't know why I say this because Grackaroni knew this already and no one else cares. Lesson to take away from the start of day 5: don't place a vote on LYLO in games with hammer. There's too much risk that it will be abused by mafia. I think everyone tried hard and played well. it was just unfortunate for town that day 2 played out the way that it did. | ||
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On July 29 2016 05:11 Lunaticman wrote: Yes I'm glad we can put that behind us! But in my mind the mafia are the ones that try the most to look towny. The problem with Grac was that he used Koshi as the perfect cover. It was rels or dc we should have nailed. Instead of Haze and SL. In this game that was true (minus Koshi who looked super townie). That's definitely not always the case though. | ||
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