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On July 23 2016 05:27 sicklucker wrote: grack is also a good target because he did sort of lead the mislynch. would have nked palmar (both are vets) and for the reason i voted him day 1 which I mostly forget How is leading a mislynch scum indicative ? | ||
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On July 22 2016 19:54 prplhz wrote: maybe grackaroni said it (hurr durr also scumread him) and maybe a bunch of people said it pretty much simultaneously and maybe "adept in truth" sounds a lot more like a COP, a guy who INVESTIGATES PEOPLE to find out the TRUTH about them and not so much like a MEDIC who HEALS PEOPLE or a VIGILANTE who SHOOTS PEOPLE IN THE FACE or a WHATEVER who PUTS THEM IN PRISON i'm trying to make sense of this thing where you claim blue but not a role. but then again, you really seemed to claim cop so i don't know if you're just messing around and wasting everybody's (my) time right now. This post overflows with prp's will to solve the game. And of course, scum's role is to fake solving the game. It's hard though. Here prp's mindset is: "fucking kruppe claimed a role. fucking kruppe don't say a damn clear thing. I'm gonna make him spit out his claim or I will die trying". It's beautiful to read. It's townie. Prp is likely town. | ||
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Yes. Scum usually plays more the follower than the leader. Scum usually try to not appear to be too wrong. So I don't understand you. | ||
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On July 23 2016 05:43 sicklucker wrote: also apparently grack jumped off the kush wagon once he had enough votes to seal the deal. interesting Really ? I missed this then, this is pretty bad | ||
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On July 23 2016 05:44 sicklucker wrote: oh no he didnt the vote counter is kind of a mess =/ lol p: | ||
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On July 23 2016 05:44 sicklucker wrote: no thats just the bad scum. The good scum get lynches off of team mates Then you're saying DC and Graca are partners ? | ||
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On July 23 2016 04:43 Rels wrote: The reasonning is simple. Tumble tunneled me the last game we played together. We were both town. He had a thoughtful reasonning as to why I was scum, but he was super wrong. Nevertheless he tunneled me and lost the game when mafia piled the votes on me. He said post game he was going to work on his tunnel. But he's doing the opposite this game. He's tunneling me so much this game that he's scumreading Koshi uniquely because "Rels is scum". Apart from that he gave 0 reason as to why I'm scum. Scum scum scum On July 23 2016 04:45 Rels wrote: + Palmar was killed. It was a very weird shot. But his scumread at EOD1 was Tumble. It's another scum indicator for Tumble. This is more weak because Palmar is a strong player and NK are WIFOM by nature. On July 23 2016 04:50 Rels wrote: Another point on tumble His D1 was weak. Super weak. Especially EOD1. I was AFK during a lazrge portion of D1. I got some votes on me, Tumble was part of it. When I come, instead of discussing with me he reacts like that: On July 23 2016 05:03 Rels wrote: Day 1 vote recap colored with flips Please use it if you wanna check something. nnn_thekushmountains (6): DCWasabi(3): Rels, Rels (1): Kruppe the Eel(1): Skynx(1): Kruppe the Eel, emperorchampion (1): Sicklucker(1):: nnn_thekushmountains Palmar(0):: Lunaticman(0): My wagon was a "default" wagon, to push the game forward and see what happens. When I started posting seriously everyone jumped off it, apart from (1) Tumble tunneling me and (2) prp that jumped on me at the very end, before switching to kush. These are weird votes. [...] DC is also likely scum: On July 23 2016 05:19 Rels wrote: Yeah. He did nothing to explain his wasteful posts at the very end of D1. Actually he continued talking about it. And him coming back to the thread 20 minutes before deadline when the votes were 4-3 is suspicious too. Tumble is asking to get lynched though. I think he decided to play "too scummy to be scum" and just mindlessly tunnel on people and posting anything. On July 23 2016 05:03 Rels wrote: Day 1 vote recap colored with flips Please use it if you wanna check something. nnn_thekushmountains (6): DCWasabi(3): Rels, Rels (1): Kruppe the Eel(1): Skynx(1): Kruppe the Eel, emperorchampion (1): [s]Lunaticman]/s], Tumblewood Sicklucker(1):: nnn_thekushmountains Palmar(0):: Lunaticman(0): [...] Finally, kush's wagon. I thought it had more votes difference with DC than that. Only 3 votes difference, and the last two votes appeared very close to the deadline (during the last 20 minutes). DC in particular only came back to the thread ~20 minutes before deadline. It's possible he planned on AFKing the lynch but feared being lynched after all and came back to the thread to vote. | ||
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But I'll be super AFK until Monday. Sorry hosts, I wouldn't have signed up if I knew about that -_- | ||
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I've got lots of meetings today so I'll catch up during my lunch break, in a few hours. See you then (= | ||
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On July 23 2016 13:03 DCWasabi wrote: OK, well turns out "solving the game" was a bit too ambitious, but I can give my thoughts... Rels: #1 Mafia He tunneled me 4ever, confirmed town (to myself). He is also throwing shade at tumble, who I believe is town and Prp who is my #1 town read. Grackaroni: Mafia Rels #1 bestest teamate, if Rels flips town then disregard this read prplhz: #1 town consistant tone, changes his mind when presented with evidence, hard to fake passion, hesitant to lynch Kush, good thoughts about Kruppe Skynx: I think she is town or a skilled mafia, more likely town. Filter is fucking long. Good logic and reading things, moving thread forward. I like her case on Koshi and defence of Kush. note: I don't read prplhz or Skynx as Mafia for scumreading me necessairly, because I admit that parts of my play have looked a bit scummy. They aren't tunelling me like Rels was. Kruppe: town for now because nobody cced Tumble: Town He is either town, or I think he is a really good at mafia. Lunaticman: Another fking long filter. I think he is town, but if he ever confirmed town... do this: Go back and look at posts where he suspected somebody and then see who questioned his credibility right afterwards or called him crazy (they may be mafia). Empc: Town, as I explained earlier, I don't think his play this game is the exact same as his last scum games. For me it is noticeably different, even if he is not driving thread forward with logic, I feel like his posts are more heartfelt and not forced. Either he is town this game or he got better at playing mafia. i hope I'm not wrong. There is also some Wifom about his "random vote" that yielded Palmar. I think it leans town as it would be too obvious to then NK palmer, but Wifom will be Wifom. It is a bit weird though that he then didn't comment on the idea that maybe mafia were setting him up... but it is not like he was really pushing for a Palmar kill, so it is probably nothing... 1 more thing, he is defending me at a points where I think it would have be stupid to do so if he was mafia. I mean, if there are several town on me right now, then I think Mafia could have a good shot at lynching me with a push form just 1-2 Mafia (please don't do that). He says I need to step up and I think that is fair. Sicklucker: Towny because his reads make sense to me Koshi: Town if he is not town then we will worry about that later, he can actually push thread forward if he is town. WELL FK, one of my TR has to be Mafia because it doesn't add up This list, that happens a few pages after I've left, is fucking terrible. All the reasonning is terrible. Except the part of EC which is OK. But the rest is super terrible. | ||
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On July 24 2016 00:58 prplhz wrote: It's more reasonable to lynch Tumblewood. But this lynch does feel a little easy. Compared to how he keeps saying that Kruppe the Eel should be lynched, this is fairly reasonable. Is it me or does this post smell like a bus ? I'll keep a close eye on prp's posts when I read EOD2. | ||
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On July 24 2016 04:39 prplhz wrote: I'd much rather just MURDER DCWasabi. He seems to be putting noticably less deliberation into the game than he did last game. You could say that carefree reads would ostensibly point to town but it just seems like he doesn't care as much about pushing his ideas as he did the last two games I played with him. Like just now, just 5 minutes of going through Tumblewood's filter and posting a couple of posts with a one liner smacked on them. Just doesn't seem like how he posted in the other games, he would be more inquisitive and then when he had an idea he would push it. This just seems like "you guys do whatever as long as I have some deniability for whatever's happeneing". On July 24 2016 04:45 prplhz wrote: DCWasabi voting in this game DCWasabi voting in Bavarian Night kills DCWasabi voting in Onegu is best host On July 24 2016 04:46 prplhz wrote: Also Palmar's last words was that DCWasabi was going way under the radar. There is no way prp and DC are both scum. Here prp is trying to change the lynch from Tumble to DC. It makes no sense if all three of them are scum. | ||
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First, I gotta reread it, but the only things I remember from him D2 before I left was "Palmar NK proves that there is one scum between Grac and Rels. Let's kill Grab pretty please." I remember a lot of posts about it, with no reasonning other than a NK, that is useful when solving the game, but by definition WIFOM. A case that only rest on NK analysis is a bad case. Now when I'm at atm (p. 80), around 2 hours before deadline, Tumble is looking to be the lynch. SL has a series of posts that only contains words, with no apparent thought process: On July 24 2016 05:01 sicklucker wrote: Theres no way tumbleweed is mafia. two confirmed towns from my pov are not even voting him. and my most likely mafia suspects are. this wont end well On July 24 2016 05:03 sicklucker wrote: Also grack and someone else wanted to lynch me. if they were town dont you think mafia might join them? On July 24 2016 05:05 sicklucker wrote: like koshi my top 3 towns are not voting tumbleweed. Two are confirmed to me (myself and the chez wannabe) This is a mislynch... Here SL is talking about Lunatic and Kruppe. The only reason he has for townreading TUmble is "Lunatic, Kruppe and I are not voting him". No offense to Lunatic and Kruppe, but their read suck, town or not town. Lunatic spent a lot of time trying to lynch an un cc blue. Kruppe spent a lot of time roleplaying instead of playing. It is not a good argument as to why Tumble is town. On July 24 2016 05:12 sicklucker wrote: also if i was mafia i would hammer tumbler here 100%. even if I was with him I would probably hammer because you idiots want to lynch me next Then, this post. First, it is so defensive, like if he knew he would be looking bad if Tumble flipped scum. Which is what happens. Second, more importantly, it is a lie. SL has proclaimed multiple times and multiple threads that he does not bus. He actualyl used his argument repeatedly in several games we played together to try to prove his townieness; from the top of my memory, I remember the JAT game, but I've seen it in more threads.. Now he's using the inverse argument of "if I was mafia I would bus". This is in complete contradiction with his usual mindset. He's lying, likely because he's scum. Damnit. I shouldn't take the time to find the posts but whatever that should be quick. Here is what I'm talking about, these posts comes from the JAT game where sicklucker was town: On April 28 2016 01:14 sicklucker wrote: well I didnt bus super the game before... and he asked me to I cant make this shit up. Super wanted me to bus him all game but I went out of my way to keep him alive. Like this is something that acualy happened. I killed rstoulin for the specific reason that if she flipped scum super would look alot more townie and not get lynched. I said the logic in the third party qt if you think im making this up for any reason On April 28 2016 01:16 sicklucker wrote: so we have acual evidence in a very very recent game where super LITERRALY ASKED ME TO BUS HIM. but I refused. Yet for me to be scum here I would have had to run such a crazy epic bus on super AND ONEGU. like its acualy so improbable and you can not denie my logic here On April 28 2016 03:33 sicklucker wrote: why cant I? I provided evidence where super asked me to bus him and I refused On April 28 2016 03:36 sicklucker wrote: Like I bus way less then the average person dispite what jat says. He was my scum partner the only time i ever really bussed. I cant actually think of a clean bus I ever did since then. and I really only bussed in that spot because I was the second wagon and there was no reason not too Like, here is SL's usual thought process about busing: "I despice busing, I only did it once because I was the second wagon, I was asked once by my partner to be bused but I went out of my way to try and save him". AND here is SL's thought process about busing this game: "I would have bused Tumble if I was scum with him". Lie lie lie. This + his reads being based on shaky stuff, it's super likely he's scum. Let me finish catching up to see what else happened though. | ||
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On July 24 2016 05:15 sicklucker wrote: dcw still seems like a 50/50.. hes like 3/4th on my suspect list so I dont think its the greatest. but better then this Then Lunatic has ONE post taking about that we should have lynched me D1: On July 24 2016 05:27 Lunaticman wrote: I cant believe we didnt do rels day1... the thing is I think it feels like both koshi and sl are towny, but I mean we cant be sure. This lynch has to be a mafia and I think there are 2 mafia on the tumble lynch. So it is either Rels or Grack then. Haze feels towny too. And for no reason SL now clears DC and tries to lynch me: On July 24 2016 05:28 sicklucker wrote: everyone vote rels now. hes way better then dc. dc is even voting rels so dc is a cool dude On July 24 2016 05:47 sicklucker wrote: And here is his reasonning: Like I havent even read rels filter but im like 95% sure hes mafia just by the way the games played out and others interactions and voting patterns. easiest game of my life Nothing makes me scum. Nothing makes DC town. But it's in line with every SL's reads this game. He's having reads and he's saying words to justify these reads. But the words he's using do not match the reads, they're just empty. And I didn't mention it yet but there is more post about how he would have hammered Tumble if he was mafia. I don't wanna flood the thread so I'll wait until I reach deadline before posting. Lunatic seems so lost. That is in line with my read of him being a super lost and crazy townie. He's posting a lot of nonsense but it feels so directionless that it makes sense for a first time newbie. I really think he's town. EC why are you scumreading me ? Or if you're not anymore, why were yuo scumreading me near EOD2 ? Koshi HAMMERING but not really because he cannot count is fucking hilarious. =D Grac being super wary about town not being cohesive BUT calling for a Tumble lynch at the same time is super townie. The first thing applies to Skynx kinda too. EC's hammer does not mean anything because Tumble would have died even if he voted Grac. The votecount is wrong indicating 5 votes for Tumble in the final votecount when he should have 6. K I'm done with D2. | ||
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##Vote sicklucker | ||
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##Unvote SL is only 2 votes away from being hammered, and I don't want that to happen. I want to read the D3 posts that I missed after work and I don't want to risk the day being over. | ||
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On July 25 2016 20:47 Koshi wrote: What is sl his angle as mafia to spare dcw? There was a legit chance that DCW was going to get momentum if there is no mafia within Koshi/prplhz. Yet every mafia refused to go to that lynch? And don't tell me dcw is mafia because he is town. Mafia wanted to kill Grack. There are at least 2 mafia on Grack. Tumble + lunatic. There is a chance that the third mafia is on Grack as well (skynx or sl) but I am townreading skynx pretty heavily now. And sl a bit. I believe prplhz was the mafia that tried to make the DCW wagon happen with me. And both Tumble and Luna didn't want to be third and waited till there was more town on the wagon to swap. I don't know why he didn't go DC. The obvious explanation is that DC is scum. If he's town like you believe then IDK why SL didn't go that route. Maybe he thought him and Tumble would both be doomed if he lead a mislynch on DC, maybe he wanted DC to be lynched but without him pushing it. What I kow is that SL's reasonning do not explain at all SL's reads, but he's making seem like they do. And most importantly, he has stated a lie about his meta to justify himself about not hammering Tumble. There is 0 town motivation to do that. It's impossible that SL really believes he would bus in this position because that is just false. Why is lunatic scum ? I really have a hard time believing it. Why is prp scum ? | ||
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